Hello to everyone s.
A little while ago I was thinking about how much some of us attack Ubuntu. We complain because it does this, because it does not do this. If we don't like it, it's up to us, and we have the right to complain, but we should have some respect for it. Why do I say that? Well, MANY of us started in GNU / Linux with Ubuntu, whether we like it or not, and probably without it we would not know Linux (my case, for example).
We may like the distro we use now more (obviously, if we don't use Ubuntu ¬¬), but I think we should lower the attack a bit.
Do you still remember that first time you started Linux on your PC? When did you enter your first command in the terminal / shell / command line? The first time you had to reinstall by putting your hands where it was not playing ?.
Yes, I don't like the path Ubuntu is taking, but I have some respect / affection for him for being my entrance to the wonderful world of Linux, for learning so many things when I used it and because thanks to him I have met many people with my likes and interests.
My first experience was not so nice 🙁 my father, it occurred to him to give me Slackware as the first distro, hahaha to the thousand installed I realized that I had to give "startx" to start the x, I thought that when I started in the console it had installed wrong hahahaha. (Nostalgia). Days that will not return.
Your father was rude xD Slackware as the first distro Damn! The distribution is somewhat cumbersome, although personally I find it very beautiful 🙂 If it weren't because I will soon run out of time to compile (installation method that I have recently preferred over binaries) I would certainly continue with it. 😉
Hi @TUDz
Out of curiosity, do you have something in sight?
Your father knows how to educate, I would have liked my father to have given me a Linux distro a long time ago
Totally agree, I do not agree with the path that ubuntu brings, however it is still the distribution that I use =)
Would have to see the next releases.
There will always be someone who attacks it, because the background loves it, so when you see a troll that complains about Ubuntu, it is a Closet Ubuntero!
Hehehehe, it's true XD
Hahahahaha, great xD
Ubuntu for the mases !!!
I totally agree with you hehe!
I started with Ubuntu and continue to use it, I tried other distros like debian with KDE or Gnome Shell, but I stayed with Ubuntu.
The path that Ubuntu took does not seem bad to me, I am testing 13.04 and it is faster than the previous ones. Also I feel that many desktops were left in what was Windows before.
regards
I also think that. Ubuntu evolves like technology, and the distros that don't, I think they were not on the right track, the changes and the evolution is good, thanks to that we are what we are now.
All the best
The change itself is good.
By the way Victor, where do you get the Unity icon next to the Ubuntu one?
Hello Filomatic, the icons are recognized by the page (or so I think); know that I have commented using ubuntu with unity 🙂 if you also do it and you do not get an icon, maybe for some reason it does not recognize that you are using it.
Thanks for your comment. a greeting
I recognize that Ubuntu is not what many of us would like it to be, but without a doubt, it is the cradle of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of new users in the wonderful world of GNU / Linux. For this and a little more I have a certain respect for him. Also, who am I to go around insulting one distro or another when I spend it going from one to another xD Distro-hopper par excellence. Although I must settle my head and leave a stable system for reasons of the development of the thesis and others.
Any recommendation for a super stable system that Texlive supports? Minimum for a fixed year 🙂
Debian stable? XD. This Distro-hopping thing is very tiring, I (apparently) have already left that "stage". Let's see what happens.
I have thought about it! But I don't know whether to wait for Debian 7 to be released and therefore Jessie as Testing (which I was thinking of installing). We will have to wait to see what happens 😀
I don't know what it takes to be a hopper distro, but last year I used 6 different distros for at least a month.
Now I use Arch, I don't know how to explain it, I feel great peace with this distro as if it were one with myself.
I don't know what it takes to be a hopper distro, but last year I used 6 different distros for at least a month.
Now I use Arch, I don't know how to explain it, I feel great peace with this distro as if it were one with myself.
Obvious man, that nerdy love!
The same thing happened to me 5 years ago when I discovered The Arch Way and how flawless Arch Linux is.
Time passed, today I am five years older, I have other occupations and I don't have so much time to dedicate to every little detail in every dark corner of my system so I migrated to Chakra which is basically incredible: the minimalist, functional and "SysAdmins to Power!" in an indestructible, half-RR, KDE-oriented distro and on top of it some beautiful artwork.
And having been born as a fork of Arch and maintaining its principles and much of its structure, the PKGBUILDs are similar (although improved with, for example, the screenshot = () field) so that the vast majority of Arch packages are installed almost without touch them in Chakra.
In short, a luxury, totally recommended by anyone who was a fan of assembling their minimalist system by hand, paying attention to every detail, part by part and that had an Arch Linux installation that lasted 3 and 1/2 years with changes of glibc, systemd, filesystems and several other little things and it always worked flawless, ultra solid and stable and incredibly fast.
Invariably when a system fails it is more than likely that the error is between the monitor and the chair 😀 😀
Almost all distros include Texlive in their repositories. In Ubuntu and derivatives it is enough to install Texmaker (or kile) so that almost everything related to LaTeX will be installed). Regarding stability I think the best thing to do is install Debian.
Hi, I actually find that ubuntu is attacked a lot. Although I started using red hat 6, at the moment I use ubuntu because I use it at work and it is easier for me to keep it running in just a few steps. Anyway, I think that a particular distro should not be attacked, since in the end every GNU / Linux environment contributes to the cause.
Most perhaps experienced it as their first G / L. However, although I -thanks to my brother- I had the opportunity to see Puppy on a USB, I also came to Ubuntu, all because of the great promotion that was made to it.
I have no war against Ubuntu, nor will I have one for now. It was my first distro installed by my hands, my first mistakes and dislikes ... the first love in G / L. The advantage of G / L is that everyone takes the path they think is viable and does it without further ado, Ubuntu does it, for better or worse it is their path.
You are absolutely right in the world, I started with Ubuntu, in its version 11.04, and as the graphics card drivers were not installed by default, the first thing I saw was not unity, but a beautiful gnome 2, after installing the controllers, I tried unity and didn't like it, and stuck with my gnome 2.
I no longer like Ubuntu, honestly, it is very good that there is a distro aimed at novice users, but, now, I no longer like Ubuntu very much, since 11.04 it has lost a lot ... although I am not against Ubuntu, if not Rather from Canonical, but I don't say things like Ubuntu is a shit or similar things, I just limit myself to not using it and if I criticize something that I don't like, but with education, which is what many have they lack.
Obviously without Ubuntu, I would not have known Gnu / Linux, if the change from Windows to Ubuntu was traumatic (one gets used to the repetitive Windows interface), if instead of Ubuntu it had been a more complex one, it would have cost me much more Thanks to Ubuntu, the change has been more bearable.
One thing that I don't like is that before I could install Ubuntu on my laptop, and it was going great, now I install it and it's super slow, all thanks to "Unity", there are still variants like "Xubuntu", which They allow me (the laptop is for my mother, and she is new to computing in general).
Another point to highlight is that I bought a new desktop PC, quite powerful, and both Ubuntu, and those derived from Ubuntu (Mint, elementary OS, Pear Os ...) do not work, not even in virtual machine, I install it, and when I try to "fiddle" a bit like opening the browser and using it for a few minutes, I get a tty with a lot of errors, but frozen, without being able to type anything and forcing me to restart the computer like hell, which It has never happened to me since I left Windows, the same thing happens to me both in Ubuntu and in all its derivatives.
Right now, after trying other distros like Arch (which is great) I use Debian Gnu / Linux, which is the one I feel most comfortable with.
A greeting.
they installed * fat bug, sorry
I am another of those who started with Ubuntu, or rather, I didn't start with Ubuntu, I started with Debian, but it was thanks to Ubuntu and its free CDs that I knew that there was something more than Windows.
Although I don't particularly have anything against Ubuntu, I think that what happens to many of us is that it annoys us that it is the most popular distribution, the distribution for which GNU / Linux has become known and that each change (for better or for worse ) they do, affects the image of the rest of the distributions.
In other words, many say Linux and think of Ubuntu ... nothing is further from the truth. And well, for other reasons that are not relevant, because I do not want to form a flame.
elav Do you use Debian Testing? I notice that your Firefox version is 22.0 xD
It can be installed by downloading it directly from firefox even if it is the stable version.
Thanks for the info! I just checked a link where you can install KDE 4.10 under Testing, but only for 64-bit versions.
You can always compile KDE 4.10 on wheezy, compiling is nothing to write home about, Aaron Seigo explains in a video very well.
You can add firefox in the sources.list
http://mozilla.debian.net/
I started in the world of gnu / linux when Ubuntu 8.04 came out, what memories, and as elav mentions the disks that were previously distributed, I have the 9.04 / 9.10 / and 10.04. When such dirvers did not work and you look on the internet how to fix it, configure gnome2 to your liking, that if you screwed it up sometimes you only had to reinstall everything. Ubuntu currently I do not like its Unity and Gnome 3 I hate it, I don't know why, now I use xubuntu and it works for me, although I have also tried many more ditros, but what ubuntu has is that you install and you have everything ready to use
hahaha that you are a newbie in Linux and you have started with noobuntu is not going to make me stop saying what I think about ubuntu, which is not throwing fire at it, that is to say the purest and truest truth.
Ubuntu users do not scale in knowledge, an Ubuntu user is always going to be a guy who does not want to improve himself.
Ubuntu creates a distribution for mediocre people, assumes that you are stupid and that you are not able to read a little, come on, I do not identify with the community or with the ideal of the distro, what's more, that's why it generates rejection, people who is a little bit smart (not even a genius) disgusts ubuntu and its community by nature. That's why basically ubuntero == mediocre
Wow, you're a super smart genius because you don't use Ubuntu, you confuse simplicity with stupidity, and that's why you're just plain stupid.
I use XUbuntu and develop biometric facial recognition software with Opencv and Python libraries, now who's more gross? Tell me what you have done to prove that you are smarter than a Mongolian chicken.
This is the typical one that installs Chakra, Arch or Debian with a thousand fatigue and after that, by the simple fact of having it on your PC, something is already created.
Or rather, these are the kind of people who keep Linux from progressing.
And because the heck someone has to excel in GNU / Linux, one does not live forever and can only learn certain things in life. It's the truth, as for me, all I know is that I don't know anything.
Certainly people who use a more difficult distribution than Ubuntu are more intelligent than many Ubuntu users, but it does not mean that all Ubuntu users are not so intelligent, they simply take advantage of their intelligence in other areas.
"You mistake simplicity for stupidity, and that is why you are simply stupid."
Hahaha, very good, I'll steal it for when I need it = D
As for Ubuntu users not looking to improve….
I started with Ubuntu 6.10 / 7.04, before the year I had already installed the entire Distrowatch list, then I used Debian for 6 months, looking for something more modern and oriented to KDE, I tried Kubuntu until 9.10 (at that time it was very Debian) and finally fed up with Kubuntu bugs and how Debian does GNU + Linux I came across Gentoo and Arch.
Gentoo was a seductive idea, but spending my life compiling absolutely everything ... no thanks.
Arch was love at first sight.
At the time I started working as sysadmin, etc.
OTHERS, ON THE CONTRARY, FALL IN LOVE WITH UBUNTU / DEBIAN FROM THE BEGINNING AND TODAY THEY KNOW THE SAME OR MORE THAN ME, ALWAYS USING UBUNTU.
And others who * are not interested in learning how Ubuntu works but simply using it * are very happy with the distro and THAT'S PERFECT.
Get off the horse that you didn't eat anyone.
You are right compa!
Arch of the best: D!
I have been distro hopper for quite some time but Pacman is something else that does more than enchant 😀
Regards!
@socar I am amused that you use a comment of simplicity vs stupidity and pretend to be alive when I do not talk about simple or stupid, next time let's be more coherent, I guess you saw that phrase and it seemed so brilliant when they used it and just as @msx you thought "wow I have to use this", well ... sometimes you can't use phrases when it's not the case, no matter how "brilliant" they seem, they lose their grace.
In addition, since you ask, "what have you done?" ... that beam is written you have ... my friend, first of all please do not mistreat our mother tongue, which has done nothing to you. Well, nonsense, I have not done anything, nothing that you can see, I made spam filters using a combination of statistical classifiers (Bayes, Parzen) .. I wrote a couple of papers, I have a couple of mentions of these publications, but that's It was nice yesterday, I'm already thinking about tomorrow, it is the mentality of overcoming, I suppose you are not able to understand.
Python, yes a nice language, but when you are writing in C to extend Python we talk a little more, do you want? Oh and the 3 nonsense that you do and of which you feel proud, which is something super wowww .. as I told you male, I am not uber-male, you are not going to impress me with so little, with investigating a week or less already I am doing things with opencv and python.
@lawliet and @msx are mediocre in any distro, I have to clarify that, for example @msx is mediocre, even using Arch, if you use Arch / Slackware / Gentoo with the mentality of a Ubuntero, no matter how much Arch you use, you will be mediocre .
My mistake was to write in a hurry and not emphasize my dislike for this distribution, in my opinion (which is not the only one and is not absolute), Ubuntu badly accustoms and does not teach users, it makes them believe that they are stupid from the start and when they meet a challenge they cry or say stupid things, and it seriously hurts me to believe that human beings do not try to overcome obstacles, I have already had colleagues who have come from using ubuntu and acquiring that mentality, until they get that "mentality" of ubuntero , they are a hindrance in the team.
Whoever has the hat to put it on .. Greetings.
Ufaaaa ... Hopefully you found a company like Canonical and (you're a space tourist), ahem, do SO's for real males with goals, or things that make us improve ourselves day by day, I hope and you can tell me to give you a Nover prize (no, it's not Nobel )… Well, for certain mediocre people (like me) who survive day by day, turned off between the daily problems of life with a family to whom to give moral support, a ready-to-use Ubuntu makes us better than jumping from distro to distro, compiling reluctantly and learning to program my human productivity in C or Pascal or COBOL or whatever ...
And I know that my comment is out of order, but I wanted to add nothing else since yours seems out of place too, nobody said why in using Ubuntu ... In the same way, here only a little gratitude and respect are exposed to a distro that has achieved much more than you than with its daily improvement I have and will never have any idea who you are, something like Dennis Ritchie? I don't think so ...
In your first comment you hinted at it, with the second you confirm it. You are stupid!!!.
I answer you in the following way: You should not shut yourself off, the fact that your passion is computing and therefore you like to investigate and learn more about gnu-linux and that you do not use distros that you consider simple because they hinder your purposes, no It gives you the right to lash out and treat people who use easy distros like Ubuntu as unintelligent.
Look at this, the world is huge and there are approximately 7000 billion people, all with different interests, some are computer scientists, but others stand out in other areas of knowledge such as Law, Medicine and Science in general, so learn computing beyond the software they use in the performance of their function, it is superfluous, that is why they use Ubuntu, because for x reason they do not like Windows and they want a simple alternative that does not represent obstacles to continue working.
It is as if you went to the doctor for a health problem that afflicts you, and he responds by telling you that you are not very intelligent because you are not able to self-diagnose and self-prescribe, that you read medical books and do research, etc. Ask something: the fact that you are not a doctor, does it give the doctor the right to call you a brute? Well, I don't think so, each person contributes to the improvement of the world according to their areas of interest, remember that all knowledge fulfills a social function From the fashion designers who make the clothes you wear, to the street sweeper who keeps your house and street clean and the most illustrious lawyer or doctor, etc., they fulfill this function, although it is true that there are people gifted with more intelligence than others. It is also true that they exist in all areas of knowledge and that they contribute to sometimes revolutionary advances. That is why as professionals or future professionals in different areas we must complement and support each other, that is the purpose.
Finally, it must be understood that the general interest prevails over the individual, therefore, as not all are computer scientists, it is valid that there are easy and simple distributions, which do not require advanced knowledge to satisfy their needs, in the same way that there are lawyers who advise if you get to have legal problems ...
I believe that if a user wants to learn more, he can do it from Ubuntu itself or another distribution, wanting to learn does not have to do with the distribution you use, but rather the user's interest in GNU / Linux.
I am not in favor of nor do I find Ubuntu the same, so if you want to use Ubuntu, doing it is up to you.
Before I was against Ubuntu and I was a troll here and there but during all the time that I have been using GNU / Linux I have reconsidered and I realized that we cannot go about promoting freedom if we do not let ourselves live in peace among users.
Amen
Exaaaacto ...
Very well said Lobo84. I support your comment.
+1
Ubuntu is a distribution for everyone, for those who do not know, for those who want to learn, and for those who know and do not want to waste time with #% & /! @ Ces and want to focus on their daily work. Yes, there are versions for Ubuntu servers, see what things.
Ubuntu is not for geeks who want to show off, be smart.
Ubuntu is for everyone, it is a real alternative to other OS, stable, reliable, with clear and well-oriented objectives.
You are so special and you want to be so different and distinguished, I recommend you try the Justin Bieber distro. I have not tested it, but you who are a super geek will surely put it fine and it is the cane.
I really liked your comment and I agree with it.
All the best
Why do you assume that everyone has to become a hacker?
There are people who simply want the computer to work ... linux is not for them then?
You have a very particular point of view.
Regards!
It seems to me that you disrespect people ... I have had all the windows and several linux ... Since Mint .. Ubuntu and Debian ... etc and Saying that by using Ubuntu or X things makes you who speak without knowing and miss the respect ... You can say or give your opinion without missing ... ubuntu is becoming more stable and easy to use ... and compare something stable with windows if it is crazy, for the mere fact that it is accessible ... Then by that rule of 3 disrespectful that you say such fallacies ... I would tell you to bathe in the river and make fire with two sticks and no remote control ... Because of course it is not going to help you improve yourself as a person, right? That makes you an intellectual homeless, comfort and searching for information in seconds in google instead of taking a dictionary ... So a little consistency and less nonsense .... That there are people who have time and want to learn is very good ... But not everyone has the same time, or ability or anything and not for that reason is stupid ... So do not measure words and speak lightly, without knowledge or arguments, yes it seems stupid to me ...
Drop it, he's clearly a noob himself. Judging by his words, it will take him a long time to realize the nonsense he says, he still has a long way to go. 😉
Go rude…! What happens? Can't use Ubuntu, or any distro, users without technical knowledge in software?
Doesn't a doctor or a lawyer or an architect have the right to use Ubuntu for work if they want to? Are those the guys who don't want to outdo themselves, the mediocre ones, the stupid guys who can't read a little?
When you philosophize about stupidity, look in the mirror ... majete!
PS I hope that when you have to go to the doctor you do not get a ubuntero who recognizes you for the nonsense you say ... or at least that he is not a urologist.
I was referring to Jhon Morci, I think it was not clear in my previous comment.
Of course I appreciate Ubuntu, I started with it in this world and I learned a lot while there, I do not hate Ubuntu at all, but I do criticize the course it has taken without taking its community into account, that's all, not even for criticizing it I have a resentment or repressed desire to return to ubuntu that is absurd, however as elav says, the good or bad that ubuntu does affects the image of other distributions because many people when they say linux automatically relate to Ubuntu and that is something that bothers to a certain extent point.
These fanboy comments are the ones that tire. I started using a distro that I don't even remember what it's called that came on a floppy disk, YES, on a floppy disk (more than 15 years ago). Then I used redhat, mandrake (yes, when it was mandrake 7), I have installed debian, suse, centos, fedora, gentoo, etc. I have Debian servers running in my work in console mode (for database, web, svn, openfire, firewall with iptables and manual rules, cache with squid, virtualization with XEN and KVM, etc). So I know how to use and install a Debian from scratch on the console; But it's not what I need Currently I need a stable system to use at work and on my home notebook to develop applications and web pages; and Xubuntu meets all the requirements for me. I don't have the time (or the desire) to see why Wine isn't in the Debian repo, because until it freezes, or unfreezes, or whatever. All good with those who like Debian, but I need things working because I have to dedicate 0% of my time to development.
I have already passed my stage of investigating, and if I have to do it I will install a new server with X service; I don't feel like wasting time setting up my desktop, or using the prescript versions of Debian Stable.
And it seems to me that that is not being mediocre. If you have time to spend all day learning and researching about your distro, I congratulate you, but I use my time to learn and innovate in terms of development and new technologies for applications.
This is my opinion. Really annoying that it is called mediocre just for using X distro. And I am super comfortable and happy with my Xubuntu for more than 1 year.
Sorry, this comment was in response to Jhon Morci's comment.
These fanboy comments are the ones that tire. I started using a distro that I don't even remember what it's called that came on a floppy disk, YES, on a floppy disk (more than 15 years ago). Then I used redhat, mandrake (yes, when it was mandrake 7), I have installed debian, suse, centos, fedora, gentoo, etc. I have Debian servers running in my work in console mode (for database, web, svn, openfire, firewall with iptables and manual rules, cache with squid, virtualization with XEN and KVM, etc). So I know how to use and install a Debian from scratch on the console; But it's not what I need Currently I need a stable system to use at work and on my home notebook to develop applications and web pages; and Xubuntu meets all the requirements for me. I don't have the time (or the desire) to see why Wine isn't in the Debian repo, because until it freezes, or unfreezes, or whatever. All good with those who like Debian, but I need things working because I have to dedicate 0% of my time to development.
I have already passed my stage of investigating, and if I have to do it I will install a new server with X service; I don't feel like wasting time setting up my desktop, or using the prescript versions of Debian Stable.
And it seems to me that that is not being mediocre. If you have time to spend all day learning and researching about your distro, I congratulate you, but I use my time to learn and innovate in terms of development and new technologies for applications.
This is my opinion. Really annoying that it is called mediocre just for using X distro. And I am super comfortable and happy with my Xubuntu for more than 1 year.
Hahaha the sysadmin within the computer race is one of the lowest links, I don't understand why they think they are such geniuses.
I did not know that .. Well I do not agree, thanks to the Sysadmin is that the rest of the computer scientists can do what they do .. 😉
I am head of development in the company where I work for your knowledge; and the installation and configuration of servers was carried out when I was an intern.
Since we are, you who are a super intelligent person and with a great job; tell us where you work. I suppose that at least you will be a Systems Manager in a multinational company like Wallmart; Exxom, or one of those.
+100, I learned you, @Morcilla.
The first distros that I met were Red Hat and Suse, but with whom I could really make the final leap was Ubuntu. I haven't used it for a long time (the last one to have it installed was 10.10, for my taste, the best of all). But I do not persecute or criticize those who use it today. I don't like the way it has gone, but I think the biggest advantage of Linux is the choice!
So it is in my case I started with Ubuntu 8.04, it consisted a little! Now I am with OpenSuse 12.3, (I really like it), after using Kubuntu. Now, many of us started this path with Ubuntu, my respects.
I forgot to mention that it was just with 8.04 that I started on Ubuntu.
I have never been an Ubuntu fan, I always used Knoppix when I was a nomad and Debian when I settled down, Ubuntu I have had to use it for work reasons (corporate policy is the word) but I never saw the heart of that distro, Debian instead has a lot.
I have Ubuntu at home and at work I install Ubuntu, for a simple reason, I can quickly install and configure the work tools, and at home because I wanted to try Debian and I can't install it, I tried a thousand times and there is no way to let it start in the note (asus)
is there any other distro that you recommend me to work with? I need the oracle client, sqlplus to be installed, and ica receive
Yes, there are a thousand distros, but if you are comfortable with Ubuntu why change?
Exactooo !!
Although I started with Mint instead of Ubuntu, I have my respects for it, since it is the distro that has brought people closer to Linux.
I do not criticize Ubuntu on the contrary thanks to Ubuntu there are more people talking about Linux. I don't like the latest versions so I'm looking for a replacement but I have a lot to thank this distribution for. I use it since version 7.04, before I used Red Hat 7, Mandrake, Suse and I think in Debian. As a suggestion, let's not criticize Ubuntu is Linux and if you don't like it, change it, there must be one that you like that, the good thing about using a zero $ Linux system.
Very true, I started with Kubuntu 5.04 and a month later I went to the best Ubuntu (according to me) of all time: Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper Drake, there I learned a lot about this Linux world.
I agree with every word of your article. Linux is becoming known and respected thanks to Ubuntu; With its simple, pedagogical and effective methodology of reaching people, Linux is growing, however, when users see virtues in other distributions that are not in Ubuntu, that is a topic that has been analyzed too much in DesdeLinux.
I am sorry to say that I will always criticize Ubuntu for its misuse of its own name. At first Ubuntu was ubuntu. That ended. For consistency it should change its name and logo.
By the way, although this is reflected in this page, I do not use Ubuntu, but Mint.
https://blog.desdelinux.net/tips-como-cambiar-el-user-agent-de-firefox/
@cat, it's funny that you have two XFCE mice, rather it makes me laugh
hahaha I was also amused by the relationship of my nick with that I like XFCE.
Thank you!
do you really use the 10 xD?
Well, you use ubuntu anyway, because mint is
Mint is Ubuntu as it should be. For me Mint right now is more ubuntu than Ubuntu itself.
Ubuntu is the distribution with the most users in the world, and there are millions (not hundreds of thousands) who use it and more and more. If it weren't for Ubuntu, Linux would still barely be on servers and would be used by four cats.
Thanks Ubuntu for making Linux easier and more intuitive!
And for making Xubuntu that works very well for a clumsy one like me who neither knows nor wants to know about complex lines of code and beating around the bush, I have enough with trying to learn the html code, master photography and put order in my personal life juass! XD
Greetings and thanks to you too! 🙂
Linux was usable since before Ubuntu, there was Mandrake and Fedora, as well as OpenSUSE and they were perfectly usable 😉
+1
+ 2.000.000.000.000.000.000 ...
Of course, but using windows was much easier, really, because of the drivers
Perfect answer.
Claaaaa….
BUT NO! Not really.
If you are so convinced, install any of those distros in their old versions and enjoy yourself 🙂
As they told you, Linux was usable since before Ubuntu and that is the complaint of many and that they already said, Ubunto! = Linux.
Fortunately I started with Mandrake-> Slackware-> Arch and yes, I have tried Ubuntu and the truth is that it does not convince me at all.
what makes Ubuntu "easy" is the zillion articles dedicated to it.
"Thank you Ubuntu for making Linux easier and more intuitive!"
WTF !!!!
For making it massive it may be, but ... that? Nerd.
Sorry for the comment, what I was saying was in good faith! It is possible that Linux was usable, but certainly not as popular, nor as easy as now (it is also logical).
The good thing about Linux is that there is more and more information (thanks internet !!!), the bad thing is that it needs cohesion. Opinions are very divided, although I am hopeful, and I think there are already very good products.
From my humble point of view! That I have no idea!
all the best!
If you want a humble contribution, the best system for me should be:
1st STABLE really.
2º SIMPLE, intuitive, easy to use.
3rd MODULAR, adaptable to tastes and to the times, that can grow.
The closest thing for a clumsy newbie like me (on Linux) is Xubuntu.
A greeting!
Hello everyone.
I have been an ubuntu user since 9.04, and I like what ubuntu and canonical do; They are giving everyone a perfect and free alternative, unity in its first two versions I didn't like it very much, but now I can't put another one; I like unity; the main reasons are productivity, aesthetics and double meaning, creating an OS for tablets, mobile ... but not like win2 8 that makes a copy and paste of its meter.
Thanks to its rapid progress, every month I see more computers with Ubuntu pre-installed and new games for Linux.
I'm going to give my support to ubuntu and canonical, I think they have the right goal, although no one is perfect along the way.
Ubuntu is the only distro that has the strength to outperform windows.
All the best
Eh it seems to me that there are more mobile devices using androids than pc's with ubuntu. Cheers
Well, I see Ubuntu and debian, the more mature distros.
Ha, it shows that you do not know in depth other distributions.
Ahhh Ubuntu, in the end I was left with Arch and Ubuntu on the HD. I just loved Unity.
Put the unity to the arch,
I don't want to pop the balloon, but I started with
Debian
My condolences: ¬ (
Debian is not SOOOOOAAAAAAAAAH difficult 😉
Not obvious, on the contrary, of the "power distros" it is one of the friendliest - not really, but it cheats like that!
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It is like Corel DRAW, when you start to use it you will find that it is very easy but the more you use it the more limited you will find it.
Instead Photoshop is like Arch: it seems complex at first but the more you use it, the simpler everything seems to you 😀
When I offer my condolences, it is more because of the stomach ache from using Debian 😀
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Note: it is actually "CorelDRAW vs Adboe Illustrator" but the concept is understood 😀
And what distro is GIMP in the metaphor? XD
I tried to install Debian a few hours ago in a virtual machine to test how it was and when I finished installing it I rebooted the super happy machine of life and I find that only the terminal loaded me ... maybe I'm still not able to leave Ubuntu- based xD
Whom DesdeLinux) there are several tutorials on how to install Debian with a graphical interface starting from the terminal. If you prefer something easier (easy is no offense, I did it the same way the first time I installed debian) you can (if you are connected to the internet) check a box that says "graphical user interface" (or something like that) . The second option installs gnome 2 (debian 6 or squeeze) or gnome 3 (debian 7 or wheezy), although you can also get an iso that, in the same way, installs KDE, Xfce, Lxde, etc.
What happens to me is that I install it with virtualbox from my laptop and it tells me that it does not detect the replicas (perhaps if I want to install it I should connect by cable instead of WIFI) ... apparently I will have to download the DVD
You have to put an option (no idea where, I don't use virtualbox because my pc runs very slow) in which you can make the virtualbox "emulate" an ethernet connection
I think I already found it, although I'm not sure (bridge connection–> eth0)
The truth is that when I got to Linux (two years ago) I didn't understand that "attack" on Ubuntu since it was Linux the same and the truth is that I still don't understand it.
I also got a little angry when Unity arrived because my computer couldn't handle it and I had to look for another distro but after reading the interviews with Mark Shuttleworth and seeing how excited he is and after seeing what they have done with Ubuntu on Smartphones and on tablets I'm happy for them and I hope they succeed.
Also, thanks to Unity I have discovered Xfce that I like better than the classic Gnome.
I do not disrespect ubuntu, I just think it is a shit and it was never my first experience in linux, it was debian, and since then I continue with it, although I have tried many distros, waiting for debian 7.
I currently use Manjaro KDE, and I think I will settle down here.
However, I think Ubuntu is a great distribution. The look and feel of Unity is something that I sometimes miss, not to mention how well it detects hardware. I think Canonical does a good job with this distro (even more so with the LTS versions).
Although I recognize that some things, such as the future use of Mir instead of Wayland, I do not share it, among other details.
ubuntu served when unty did not exist, when you ask me what's up with linux, what do i tell them?, what reference can i give them? unity is going to complicate your life by changing every six months, will xubuntu still exist? What I'm telling you is that there are several operating systems that use the same core and that you have to read a lot, but then it's a fierce thing, unless you play video games 😛
I think many will agree with me that they started with Ubuntu thanks to the CDs that Canonical distributed. And that's how I started with the 5.10 that they gave me. I found it very nice about his philosophy, staying free, about "Linux for human beings" and so on. But as I got to know GNU / Linux I realized that it did not meet many of my needs as a user, so I took the risk of switching to Gentoo in January 2009. I do not regret that change, and installing it was MUCH less traumatic than anything else. that paint the prejudices on the internet about Gentoo.
The fact is that although it is true that many of us knew GNU / Linux through Ubuntu, this is definitely not what it was at that time: that is why I criticize it, and I always do it under what I consider a solid and arguable criterion (because like everything , no?). Many of the canonical and mr shuttleword policies (or whatever it is spelled) have put aside the 'ubuntu' philosophy that I found so interesting. The feeling I have with Ubuntu is that they are not really interested in building community but they are interested in income (which is not bad, but it is that they continue to disguise it under the 'ubuntu' philosophy). When the fuss about changing the position of the Metacity buttons to the left came out, and the aforementioned gentleman said "This is not a democracy," I realized that I had done the right thing by abandoning it.
I did not start with Ubuntu, I had been using Debian for years and before, openSuse. But I was Ubuntero and it didn't take long to realize my mistake.
It is not a question that I do not like the road, that too. What happens is that Ubuntu uses free software, but does not support it.
When it needs something, it uses an existing project, and instead of supporting it, it uses its development, changes its name, presents it as its own, and if I saw you, I don't know you.
That does not mean that we can benefit indirectly, but Ubuntu's intentions are not good for the free software community. It is a company and thinks and acts like one.
That is not disrespect, or at least, I think so ...
Greetings.
You have to respect it, as an ex-girlfriend is respected
There is no doubt that in this blog anyone can create an entry
congratulations, this is how the forum should always be, with purposeful things and not a mini distros fight
HOLD YOUR FIRE !!! HOLD YOUR FIRE !!! HAHAHAHA uyyyyy I remember when I installed my ubuntu Dapper Drake, 6.06 !!!! what good memories, although I did not start with this distro, I started with Knoppix curiously they gave it to me in a Flisol and I burned there Knoppix fedora and Ubuntu !!!!!! I got to know distros but since I saw their logo something attracted me, I saw it as they installed it in the compus that led to the Flisol, I said: «I want it on my Hard Drive» hahaha then I started using it, I left it, returned, left it, I returned, and so, I learned other distros but I also have a special affection for Ubuntu although it was not my mother distro so to speak, what's more, on my birthday I got a Feisty fawn CD that I still have in my album folder, I remember I was drunk with happiness hahaha it worked 100! I did not ask anyone for anything, aaaaaaaa that old times ... apparently I became more purist and I prefer a KISS philosophy and a distro like chakra although I currently use LMDE 201303, I think they lower the water to their sweet potatoes, and some to the that others like who don't, that I looked at that wayland that x11 blah blah personally shits me Shuttlewore or whatever it is written I feel that a good distro is taking to the decline but hey. alea jacta is
Well, yes, not everything was bad .. He gave many of us many joys at the time.
I think many do not like Ubuntu for its graphical interface, but dare to do a hardcore Ubuntu installation just like Debian.
Maybe Debian or Ubuntu, it works so fast, stable and light that it seems that I made a mistake and installed Debian.
It seems ridiculous to me that for each Ubuntu environment it is a distribution, so I went beyond this and installed XFCE manually, I have Ubuntu with XFCE and not Xubuntu.
For my part, I started with Linux Mint 9 (isadora), I felt like a HACKER just typing sudo apt-get update in the console, then I used Fedora, I was a Fedorian user for a while, I switched to Kubuntu for the simple reason that it gave many problems when installing (fedora 18), I have more than 15 partitions, and in the installation process it seemed very difficult to choose the correct partition, so I switched to Kubuntu, simpler and without the fear of deleting something. I have dual boot with windows 7 for the games, although I already have some installed on Kubuntu with Steam.
I did not start with Debian and I have been trying many distros (arch, suse), when Ubuntu came out with unity I criticized it, then I got curious, I tried it and got hooked. Also one day I canceled from going configuring so that my pc works well and sometimes it was a headache, I don't want to be an expert in so I just want to have everything to be able to program correctly and in that Ubuntu is good, also unity saves a lot with searches plus the lens. Anyway I like it, although now I'm testing elementary XD
Well, I don't think this post is necessary! … Frankly I don't see why to post that they are sectarian in themselves !! make a post in which a user expresses an opinion as a request only generates more nonsense text in a blog that is supposed to be serious .. nothing but layer 8
Thanks for commenting ¬¬
Ok, that comment is made by someone with the nich "stupid freebsd (freebsddick)" to someone using Debian with KDE.
Where is the sectarianism !? EPIC FAIL.
I imagine you can see beyond the sword of omen and know in advance what system and environment I use .. !!
With permission, now I'm going and not to make a long story short (as in the forum presentation), I can say that several CDs from different distros have passed through my hands, since 1998 but when I started to enjoy linux honeys it was with one called winlinux2000 It was installed as if it were a DOS video game.
In 2006 a colleague gave me »my first liveCD» of ubuntu 5.04 (wow!) And it was until 2009 that I really installed, configured and plugged (as the web gave me to understand) Linux Mint Helena 8 LXDE which I was fond of for taking mom's name.
Today I can't move from Linux Mint (I don't know why) but from LXDE, through gnome 2, now I'm on KDE (I think thanks to Elav) and maybe one day I'll take a MATE.
Thanks ubuntu! (It's not you, it's Me).
It's not you, it's me XD
Ubuntu is a good distro has its excellent things that it has done in the Linux community in the main I hope it goes well, I started like this RH, OpenSuse, Ubuntu (I got rid of many headaches), Debian (I understood why Ubuntu was based on it ) and now Arch (I wanted a rolling release) each distro has had its things and leaves you something good to do well or differently, it is more I hope that your mobile system works well it would be a great recognition of the effort they have made, I enter the distro that was more comfortable was Debian and Arch, they are opposite of philosophy but they are the ones that I felt good about in the others I felt that something was missing.
For a long, long time, that I did not write a line on this blog, despite the fact that it has never ceased to be part of my forced reading due to the information and opinions that are poured here. One of the main reasons I decided to refrain from expressing my views on this site is intolerance. Not the intolerance of those who run this place, since they never edited any article to eliminate or remove any idea of mine, but the intolerance with which we who make up this community sometimes act.
And note well that I wrote "we act", first person plural. All of us…
I ask the author of the speech, what do you understand by respecting Ubuntu? Is your concept of "respect for Ubuntu" that everyone should shut up and not say what we don't like about that OS? What right, divine or earthly, assists us to ask for such a thing? Isn't the flag of the GNU community freedom and, among it in addition, freedom of expression?
It seems terrible to me that respect is requested for a certain operating system (or distro, whatever you like to call it) ... but there is no respect for those who express some disagreement with Ubuntu. Examples? Well, I have one very handy:
JulySAO says:
April 5, 2013 at 6:35 pm
All those pranks are pretty cool until you realize that the Ubuntu desktop moves slower than modern warfare! (At least in 12.10 which is the last one I used and had to uninstall)
What I ask of Ubuntu is more lightness please. Desktops that eat up all system resources are out of date, there you can see, then 7 with less nonsense and lighter and 8 lighter than 7. Kde has also lightened, xfce has more and more users. They take desks that are nice but light, especially if they really want to make the leap to tablets they need lightness like eating. "
I do not know what bad JulioSAO expressed that deserved this answer:
«Ceasefire with Ubuntu says:
April 5, 2013 at 11:05 pm
@julioSAO: "the ubuntu desktop moves slower than modern warfare"
julioSAO you like me already have a few posts and years reading about Linux and using distros. therefore, a minimum knowledge is assumed about the varied performance of the OS according to which equipment. I am surprised that you pass a value judgment so lightly, even more so in the knowledge that your assertions have no credible basis.
Ubuntu may not work well on your computer, you may be hit by Ubuntu, your resentment may lead you to extremely biased conclusions and out of reality, your mind may be so full of things that it clouds your reason ... but despite so many you may ... you are not entitled to speak in terms of judgment against a distro that has millions of users of all types and conditions.
I leave the link to a blog post that is not generous with Ubuntu today, but as normal human beings, they have stopped for a moment to reflect.
I hope that you like so many other antiubuntu, follow that example. "
Why label as a liar someone who claims that Ubuntu is not as light as other distros are? Why call resentful to someone who only asks for Ubuntu to be lighter? If a user, who is the consumer and for whom the distro is finally made, is not entitled to give an opinion ... then who is? Is it necessary to belong, perhaps, to a pantheon made up exclusively of "great connoisseurs" to be able to give a legitimate opinion?
Excuse me for saying it Zironid, but instead of asking for respect for Ubuntu you should ask that there be, first and foremost, respect between the users of the different distros that make up this GNU / Linux world. It seems to me that it is very important that we know how to express our criticism, but also digest the criticism of others. If we ask respect for Ubuntu, then let's be consistent and respect users not only of other distros but of other operating systems, such as Windows and MacOSX, whom we often ridicule with demeaning adjectives.
When this universal respect among users is achieved, GNU/Linux will be a true bastion of freedom, not only for software but for human beings and then, only then, will we learn to be better desde Linux.
That is not a precedent ... but I agree with tina.
Hello Tina.
I made this post, mainly, not so that those of us who don't like ubuntu shut up, but so that we can be more respectful when giving our opinion.
I have criticized Ubuntu negatively, but after reflecting, I realized that some of us get out of hand with these criticisms, which come to be offensive to certain users.
Criticism is necessary for change, but depending on how criticism is made, changes are for better or for worse.
As for the JulySAO thing, I feel like you blame me for the response it received. I know that Unity runs a bit slow for me, but that is not why I do not use Ubuntu, or what I complain about.
Hello Zironid,
Thanks for the kind reply. After reading the second paragraph of your kind reply, particularly this sentence: "... those criticisms, which become offensive to certain users.", I conclude that we finally think the same and that in a few words it is summarized as follows: there are criticisms and comments, towards Ubuntu, made with bad blood, whose sole purpose is to annoy a group of users.
That is true Zironid. I repeat that one of the things for which many, but many months ago I stopped actively participating in blogs and forums dedicated to GNU / Linux is the rampant lack of respect among GNU / Linux users who, as if they were tribes, seek the least pretext to unearth the hatchet. Some to defend their god Cinnamon and others to defend their god Unity ... when the issue is not that a worshiper of the GNOME deity "insulted" the divinity KDE ... and so on, for anything. Not counting the "preachers", who "enlightened" by some distro, stubbornly try to "convert" others and intrusively participate to "teach their divine distro" on a topic that goes from Linux Mint, to put a example.
And I decided to retire because I too had already fallen into that vicious circle. I preferred to spend that time with my family and reading books that help me learn to speak and write correctly in Spanish, since my native language is English.
From the reply received by julioSAO I do not blame you, I only put it as an example. You ask that Ubuntu users be respected and I ask you - and I hope you answer all these questions - do you think that the response JulioSAO received is adequate? Doesn't that respect you ask for Ubuntu users deserve it? Wouldn't pro-Ubuntu users drink, being congruent, respectful too? I do not mean that all Ubuntu users are provocative and / or rude, because not all are bad milk, fortunately. Nor that this type of behavior is exclusive to Ubuntu users, since some users of other distros behave the same. How can you demand respect for certain users when people like msx take it upon themselves, very effectively, to create a reputation as "brawlers" for pro-Ubuntu -even though he's not an Ubuntu user- by making provocative comments? ( https://blog.desdelinux.net/alienware-se-monta-en-el-carro-de-ubuntu/#comment-45515 ). In both cases, their comments are even reckless, because then, how can they first give their support to a request for respect when, at the immediate opportunity presented to them, they launch, the first, a rude reply and in the case of the second, a provocation? As you will see, I don't even need to dive deep to show you two examples of people who second your request for respect but are not willing to respect.
Is there a solution to this ...? Of course there is. It's called MODERATION. However, and unfortunately, the current forums and blogs in their desire for popularity, reluctance, carelessness, trust, and / or because visits to their site generate money, do not moderate all those offensive comments, out of place or that they do not contribute anything. Does moderating mean restricting freedom of expression? No sir. It is about participating and debating and contributing ideas, but within a framework of order established by regulations. Today that does not matter in any blog - at least in the ones I know, including this one - and in another, well known, not only is it not moderated but even promotes the "flames war" to generate abundant traffic.
Thus, my dear Zironid, that call for good behavior that you make is excellent, but it should not be limited only to the request of "becoming aware" of the users (the examples of @alto al fuego with Ubuntu and @msx are a sample that a call to become aware is not enough), it should also be extended to all those administrators or those responsible for the forums or blogs so that they do not allow or consent provocative, insulting, inappropriate comments or that do not contribute anything.
Who put the bell to the cat?
Hello Tina.
I share your opinion, although I think that moderation only prevents things from being heard, it does not stop them.
As for JulioSAO, yes, it seems to me that msx has passed, and quite a bit.
Use Ubuntu as an example, since it is the one I attack the most, and the post is mostly sharing a personal opinion, but it can be applied to windows, mac, or, without going too far, arch, fedora, debian, gentoo etc. etc etc…
Regarding the last question, I do think they should be respectful, but I really don't think I can do anything to change them. In this post I did not want someone to change their mind, I did it so that the people who share my opinion, take it more into account. As you can see, in the comments you can see people who support the intention of the post and people who do not.
regards
Live and let live .. !! hehe 😎
Toledo is an old anti-Ubuntero troll, instead of talking about what he does like, he prefers to criticize Ubuntu.
If you don't like Ubuntu, Windows Vista, or hot sauce, FINE.
Now stop whining and move on.
msx: The only thing you do with your comment is to show that I am right, because instead of debating my approaches with your reasoning, you prefer to use an ad hominen argument to disqualify me. If I'm wrong, tell me where I am, otherwise don't call me a troll so lightly.
However, thanks to your mistake, I have to give you some reason: I am not a troll, but I am anti-ubunter -which is not the same as anti-ubuntu-. Yes sir, I admit, I am shocked by those themes of 120 dedicated responses to express how beautiful the new variant of the wallpaper is, whose difference with the previous one is that it is a slightly darker tone and is rotated 180 degrees, from Ubuntu; I hate those topics, with 96 responses, stating that the side menu bars of the new Facebook image are a vile copy of Unity; I dislike that a topic dedicated to KDE, for example, ends up hijacked because out of 67 answers… 53 are just to say that they are very comfortable with Unity.
Yes msx, I am anti-ubuntero because julioSAO, he did not deserve such a pedantic and rude response from someone trying to "defend" Ubuntu. Or do you think so?
No msx, do not confuse things and concepts, I am not anti-Ubuntu -if you were more observant you would notice that I am an Ubuntu user- but I never liked them, and I will never like them, the ways of many -not all, I want to leave it very clear, hard Ubuntu users.
GET A LIFE
Believe me, she has a life ... I could say that it is much more professional than most of the people here 😀
How the hell is he going to talk about what he likes? what matters is the proportion of likes and dislikes .. if there are more things that dislike then the general qualifier is shit! that simple
WHAT A REASON !! I always liked the idea of linux since I found out, I started with redhat, then with debian and from there no one took me out, but unfortunately I could never completely get rid of windows until I got to Ubuntu ... it must be recognized that Ubuntu opened endless of possibilities and the most important thing that was made known and from there everything began to improve…. now I don't like where ubuntu is going either, and I thank God that Kubuntu has left ... since he hasn't put his hand in canonical it works much better hahahaha, and that's what I use .... but we must be honest and thank ubuntu for everything they gave to this operating system…. I will always be debianero ... or of its derivatives of course 😉
"Ubuntu is not lightweight, Debian is not updated, Arch is fickle kernel, Fedora is slow, Suse is Novell and ugly, Mint is Ubuntu in disguise ..." For complaints, colors and flavors.
What you say is interesting, but I think it also has interesting buts:
Install Ubuntu in an advanced way.
With Debian it already depends on the branch,
I don't argue about Arch;
with Fedora it also depends on the environment, although it is certainly not as light as other distros
I suppose Novell is the one that is ugly, because that is the meaning of the Chameleon, the appearance.
And certainly Mint is Ubuntu in disguise.
For my good luck I started with debian! and I couldn't have made a better choice !!!
Just once installed ubuntu on a friend's pc, since I never wanted to be part of the users of that distro! personally I don't like ubuntu at all, and now with unity I like it even less !!!
Regarding respect, any distro that helps to promote free software deserves to be respected, there is no doubt about that.
By the way if I use chromium this site says that I am under Ubuntu, but now that I am using iceweasel the site has recognized the correct system that I use which is debian hahaha! are you playing a joke on me? LOL
Daaallleeee, what were you using kubuntu hahahaha
Believe me post as these do not promote anything .. as I said above it is only a sectarian comment .. also it is stupid that the defense of a distro is taken so viceral that in the first place does not pursue quality and stability. If they take that as a flame against a distro then they will never improve and only seek to deceive themselves in the face of the fact that in this case Ubuntu is not a good distro.
The other thing is that in most cases those who think about a supposed flame are layer 8 users and nothing else
Never better said. applause.
Well, as I said in the entry, I don't like Ubuntu either. I'm just saying that we should do with distros as we do with women. There are women I like and others I don't, and there are women I don't like and others do, and we don't start to tell her (or we shouldn't) things like "she's horrible," since they are personal opinions, not absolute truths.
Hi friend. As an Ubuntu user I really like your comment. Obviously Ubuntu is following a different line from the others, perhaps more commercial but it is still linux. We may like Unity more or less but that interface can be changed by thousands of others, for example. Right now I'm writing from a Windows 8 and this is what I like it or not (I don't like it too much but in order to criticize the "enemy" you have to know the most of him) Anyway, what I said thank you and let's continue in the fight together not separately. A greeting.
I also "started" with Ubuntu back in 2006-2007, I don't remember exactly. I put in quotes what I started, because really almost the only thing I did at that time was to install it with dualboot along with Windows XP, and once installed and after a couple of days using it, the hype dropped and I went back to Windows.
Then I gave Linux a second chance with the same previous premises (dualboot together with W7 and Ubuntu 10.10). Although this time I did use it for a long time although alternating it with windows, but after half a year or maybe a little more since I was almost exclusively using Windows 7. And also as a novelty for me, the partition that I had with Ubuntu I never eliminated, which if it happened in my first steps with Linux.
3 months ago, with the improvement of my PC, and since I had to format everything, I said to myself, I am going to try a different distro together with Windows 8, since the criticisms towards Unity were quite heavy.
What I was clear about is that my DE was going to be KDE. I just doubted which distro to choose, if one based on Arch like Manjaro or Chakra or try Debian (I wanted to try it) through its testing version (Wheezy).
I finally opted for debian 7 wheezy installing it from scratch and through the terminal adding KDE with the minimum, and gradually adding the necessary programs for me.
I liked its stability so much and how it gives me everything I want, except a couple of programs that are only available under windows, and they don't even work with wine, which a few weeks ago I formatted everything again and now I've left it alone I have installed Debian wheezy installed and customized by me down to the smallest detail. Now I have Windows 7 only through a virtual machine for when I have to make use of those programs that are not in Linux. Nothing else.
For me this is a step forward, since it is the first time that I do not have a partition with Windows, and every time I regret more that I did not do this step before. And as the author of the post says, for many users, including myself, Ubuntu has been the first step in testing Linux. And whether you want some or not, this is very very very significant and it is something that must be highlighted, beyond their shit with Unity and others.
By the way, the same thing happens to me as a colleague from above. With chromium my distro does not detect me correctly, but with Iceweasel (I write this post with it) it does.
Diametrically contrary to the opinion expressed by the article. I have no choice but to use Ubuntu because I know little or nothing to use linux. It matters little that many of you started with Ubuntu and now handle other distros ... the problem is that the person who starts with Ubuntu in a few years is going to enter a closed environment where they will be tied up again like win or even worse, Mac type. In my opinion Canonical has appropriated the work and effort of others and currently lives from a misunderstood gratitude that you show. Not wanting to see the obvious signs of this shift in values gives me some shame to read it to many ...
Those in front of me are my opponents, my enemies are close to me, in my own party - Winston Churchill
I think that to start with, there is not only ubuntu as an alternative (this is like a myth), also fedora and mandriva are good options to start using linux.
I installed Fedora a few days ago, it is very easy to use, and personally gnome3 is easier to use than unity.
It is true that I also started with Ubuntu. At that time I was looking for an alternative to Windows Xp and to my machine, I had a SONY 256 RAM PC, and with Windows flat I crawled. So documenting myself and reading in distribution forums and spoiling installation after installation I was finally able to install it, without the command line being a problem, after a while I was eating the few resources that my PC had, so after a while I was already on Debian. I think we must be critical of a distribution that is not as its boss says a democracy, its boss is due to all users who are satisfied or dissatisfied with their work. I am currently on Opensuse Xfce, it is ugly as mentioned, but there are not like elementary and Conky icons. Cheers
It's funny, I've done it just the other way around than you. My first distro was Red Hat (I don't even remember the version anymore), through ESWare (I still have the CDs and the book), SUSE, openSUSE, Fedora, and finally, just a couple of weeks ago, I ended up on Ubuntu.
The reason why Ubuntu and not stick with any other is very simple. The progress of this distribution is formidable, Canonical is doing a good job, in my opinion. You are creating a true OS worthy of being a real competition for Win and Mac, and this is precisely what the computer market needs. I could go on, but I don't want to extend myself.
I also started with Ubuntu .. Then I went through distros like the different flavors of Ubuntu, Debian, openSUSE, Mint, CentOS, etc ... In the end I was surprised with the .rpm distros and I stayed in CentOS 6.4 on my servers replacing Debian and on desktops and notebooks I stayed with Fedora 18: D. In both CentOS and Fedora I changed my environment from Gnome to KDE (yes, in a clean way as a new installation) since they both spend the same and once again Gnome even with version 3.6 in Fedora I get discouraged in such a way that I didn't even want to keep the Gnome 2 on CentOS. Since RHEL 7 / CentOS 7 is coming out this year and will be based on Fedora 18 and Gnome 3.6 or even 3.8 (which is discussed), I enjoy KDE directly and must confess that the KDE implementation in Fedora version 4.10.1. 12.3 has such good speed and stability that not even in openSUSE XNUMX I find it up to par.
regards
I think one of the things Ubuntu has done best is to bring many people closer to Linux, which is very important, at least to get started. I am not in favor of the current of going against Ubuntu that has become widespread, I simply consider it one more distribution that is not bad for beginners. If I think they could lighten it more, it is very heavy, but otherwise it is fine.
I also think the same about the article, I do not know why to throw dirt at this distro, but the person likes it because he does not use it and it is fixed, I have gone through distros since the extinct Mandrake, Mandriva, Arch, Gentoo, etc, etc. And look here I am using Ubuntu and I feel comfortable and it is functional for me, so that is the beauty of Linux, that you use what you like the most and that Ubuntu is for people who do not want to learn is nonsense.
Nice article, Zironid.
You are right. a respect… deserved. Personally, he saved my "life." Having to use aging machines that couldn't even handle xp, I had to make do with the one thing that "almost everything" the world recommended, the 8.04. In general, Ubuntu has given many users the opportunity to meet other distros both those who abandoned it and those who have never wanted to use it. And it is a reference for the good and for the bad. Why put limits on divine goodness?
I understand the GNU / Linux world from freedom, inwards and outwards: inwards, you choose the packages; out you choose the distro. The rest is pure subjectivism (sorry for the word).
Of course, the complaint is always more striking, and I have read many very funny ones. The praises and praises are stickier and cloying. I've always thought that, in the end, there is no better distro than the pottage that you build on your machine. And the day you get fed up, you change it ... and you end up choosing the best one until the next one.
I criticize what ubuntu and canonical represent. A false free software, they present proprietary packages, promote a closed model of development and infringe the privacy of the user and all shouting "ubuntu is free software" they would only need to put "know your rights" to be more sinic
I did not start "linux" with ubuntu
I started GNU / linux using ubuntu, and I'm not happy, it should have come from a free path. But the concept of "open" software was promoted too much and the ethical values of free software were forgotten. making us have an ubuntu migration center instead of a free distro
If Ubuntu has bugs or not, or if it works fast or slow, I honestly do not care, but that canonical wants to identify with an ideology with which they do not engage, just to sound progressive and advanced in order to sell more, to me it breaks my balls a lot
No love, No respect, Ubuntu was a path that I never want to walk again
Regards!
I don't understand that ubuntu "renegade" attitude, at the time ubuntu came out it was really a free alternative, since the original installation doesn't include proprietary parts, unlike Knoppix (which I started with), Mint, or the same debian (up to 5) included proprietary parts on your cd / dvd. Free software is an evolution, in which practically all of us started using windows. The Linux kernel started out as restrictive, then the GPL license was added. There was a time when a famous desktop environment used qt, which was proprietary, then it was released. We better not talk about the time you wanted to program Gnome 3 with Mono / C #. Today there are closed blobs in the same kernel and only a few distributions are responsible for suppressing them, who knows tomorrow the same kernel.org will take care of that. There were never "freer paths" until a few years ago with Trisquel and Debian 6. As a legacy of the old days are gentoo, rhel and slackware which do not much care to separate free parts. I do not know which path you would have taken freer, because there was not, this is evolution.
«I do not understand that attitude of" renegade "of ubuntu, at the time that ubuntu came out it was really a free alternative," ... and? xD at the time I met him he was no longer free, not even in the kernel
"I don't know which path you would have taken freer, because there wasn't one"
That's what I mean, if free software had more attention than "open" -privative software. So I and many users would have known a 100% free distribution as a start in Gnu
"MANY of us started in GNU / Linux with Ubuntu" because I hope you are not generalizing, because if it is very bad.
On the other hand I started with Fedora I think that's why I can't leave it, I've tried others, even Ubuntu, but nothing else doesn't convince.
I said a lot, because putting an uncertain percentage was a huge mistake, and, because I really think that many of us started there.
My mother and sister started using debian (on my own), but it ran slow, and now they use opensuse. They are part of MANY others that started by other distros.
Well, I only say one thing, the critical capacity always has to be present, as it is criticized many times fiercely, mac os and windows, I do not see why Ubuntu should not be criticized, especially because in my opinion, if it is a distro visually pretty, but lacks a lot in stability.
Ubuntu, as any of its derivatives, always worked very well for me, at the moment I am testing the Ubuntu-Gnome 13.04 beta 2 version and there are no big complaints, but it is also true that what I learned from Linux I owe to other distros which are not as simple as Ubuntu. In any case, the user does not always want to learn how their OS works, and for that type of users Ubuntu is great, now that I am starting the Faculty I am evaluating the lack of time that I am going to have, to stay with Ubuntu-Gnome for a while that I can do everything faster.
Ubuntu is manufactured by the devil trololo 😛
And now seriously ... I always used Ubuntu until the arrival of Unity, although I did not use it as the only distro since I have always had 3 or 4 distros installed at the same time on my PC.
But I started with Suse 9.0, like the macho guys 😉
My uncle (literally, my father's brother) used slackware for a long time (thanks to him my father knew Ubuntu and therefore I also), but for now he uses Xubuntu (I will mount it: D) and Kubuntu (together to windows xd).
Wow, for such a short post how many comments there are.
In my opinion, ubuntu gets more hype than it should and that, I think, is precisely the strategy of the owner of Canonical, that's why that amount of nonsense you say every 3 or so changes of course.
From a technical point of view ubuntu is like many of the other distro out there, Out of the Box and with its own environment. Linux Mint, for example, has the same (and don't give me that Mint is based on Ubuntu, because Ubuntu is based on Debian, only that the first one is in compiled packages and the other is not).
Personally I don't like ubuntu, but because I don't like Unity mainly and because of the stability. The week that 3 different teams with LTS pme gave a lernel panic (10.04 was) I decided not to install it more to people, not before. And I also know many who are super pro and use ubuntu so it is not so much for beginners either.
So all those who write (you write) to criticize ubuntu and the consequent flame wars, or who write (you write) to praise it for things that are not its technical characteristics, but things like "it introduced us to linux" or "there are more users ubuntu than any other distro ", think that you are contributing to a millionaire advertising campaign for which you are not paid.
That's my opinion.
Ubuntu will soon stop being free software. Canonical is not a non-profit association or a group of programmers fighting for freedom. It is a company that all it wants is PROFITS. It does not matter if these profits come from spying on the user or from making agreements with other companies and corrupt governments, or from any other activity that threatens the freedom of people.
That is what all those Ubuntu users have to ACCEPT. If you want to continue using it, let them use it, if you want to say that "it's the best", say it but at least be aware that there is that subtle difference between Ubuntu and the rest of the distributions that follow (or try to follow as they can) the true principles of GNU / Linux
What's Wrong With Profits? Don't you have a salary? Are canonical employees volunteers? RedHat itself said "We are not charity" a decade ago. Free software and profits are not enemies, they can coexist, even Stallman did it with emacs. Regarding those accusations, I can only say that I have no evidence and I respect the principle of innocence. All governments have corruption to some degree, and it is not the first or only software company to make deals with governments.
The earnings are not bad. The bad thing is when the most important thing is the profits and not the freedom of the user and since you name Stallman, he himself says that Ubuntu spies on the user (among other things) and recommends not installing it
Well, I'm not an expert user, but I take it with Ubuntu, although I have been able to try a few more distros, I prefer this one. I installed the Cairo dock, I configured compiz to my liking, I put the conky on it and I like how it looks. Ordinary people like me are using it, and not wanting to feel like hackers or something like that, it is simply a pleasure to learn new things. Definitively eliminate Win2 because the only thing that tied me to that is the Office garbage, which I need for my work, but I could also start it with wine. I thank the true users of other more "robust" distros and experts or with more knowledge, who have helped me to solve my doubts, without that shitty mentality that many critics have here present that almost saying "if you use Ubuntu you are a queer, but if you use Arch, chakra, etc, your dick will grow 20 cm. ». GNU / Linux is in my opinion the freedom to choose what you like, and not what they impose on you, so it would be good to put aside those lawsuits that seem more like bureaucratic or religious riots fighting with gays or with freedom of the press because they enforce their rights. I only write it as a testimony of an ordinary user.
This criticism may have different intentions, of which I envision two: Expressing our nonconformity at the sudden change that led Ubuntiu to be everyone's favorite distro, or as many say, your friend is not the one who covers your mistakes but rather you says in the face so that you get better. Can you imagine what would be the Ubuntu updates, if all of us out of respect, decided to leave things as they are and just hang our heads and let the distro fall into an abyss that no new user feels comfortable trying?
Criticism, depending on who takes it, can be the best weapon to motivate necessary changes, or a reason for resentment when things are going off course, hence so much desertion (speaking of Ubuntu).
Hello everyone! Greetings! Tina, very interesting your argument, i think that understanding is the key beyond the distros of linux. (the flame war is futil) I am using ubuntu 13.04 now. It seems to me that you would have to think that no operating system is perfect. The company that promotes ubuntu, canonical, in my opinion has facilitated access to linux, but it is not the only one, it seems to me that the other distributions such as fedora, opensuse, arch, and many that I do not remember at the moment, such as linux mint too They are on a similar goal. The option is in the user, user who needs the computer to work, or whatever he needs, after all, machines are a work tool and the information they handle is important, do you think?
I know I was late, but I would like to comment. I started using GNU / Linux from Knoppix, back in 2003. I tried Mandrake, OpenSolaris, Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, among others. I have known Ubuntu since 5.04 and I liked it.
From there I jumped to others, but in the end I liked the comfort that Ubuntu gives me, and I use it more for that, since I am a man with many commitments, and although I like it, I no longer have much time to be testing desktop environments , neither configuring, nor compiling things (unless I had a couple of cups of coffee and didn't fall asleep at work the next day).
I make a living with Ubuntu and have already evangelized some. And true, I have some affection for him, although I do not like the decisions they are making. Possibly I am procrastinating to switch distro, as I mentioned above, now I have other priorities instead of tuning it, although I admit that it is quite entertaining.
I conclude by saying that it must be respected not only because for many it has been the entry point to this wonderful world of free software and its community, but also because those of us who build and use it try to earn an honest living as an archero, a Debianite does. or a fedorero.