It had been a while since I visited xubuntu.org Maybe that's why I just got surprised by the new design of the site, inspired of course, in Ubuntu.com.
I'm very happy about the change, as the previous design seemed like a joke, simple, but sloppy. The feeling of abandonment that it transmitted to me increased more and more, until reaching the distribution as such, that until the version 11.10 it was pretty neglected for my liking. But things have changed, and now the website inspires me with seriousness, motivation, and I have heard very good opinions from the distribution.
Those who know me may wonder what I was doing navigating those parts, and of course there is a very simple explanation for that. I am seriously thinking about using Xubuntu 12.04. And I explain why.
Before going into the reasons that drive me to make this decision, I must clarify something that I consider important: I have nothing against Ubuntu as distribution. Regardless of the choices Uncle Mark and his clique may make, I think Ubuntu It is one of the most complete distributions that exists for the user of GNU / Linux. I don't care about user facilities, that's not what makes me want to jump to Xubuntu, but the extensive number of packages that are in their repositories, including the PPA.
I like Debian. It has been, is and will be, my favorite distribution, but there are things that sometimes become frustrating for me. I am a user who likes to constantly try things. Yesterday I was looking for a way to put the GlobalMenu en Xfce, I was trying to give my desktop a look and feel similar to OS X, and I just didn't achieve my goal. For starters, most of the packages I managed to install are from Ubuntu, and when I thought that everything was going to be fine, the application did not work as expected, plus it needed dependencies that there are only Guess where? Well yes, in Ubuntu.
It fucks me up a lot Ubuntu separate so much from Debian in this kind of thing, but hey, that's not the point now. Even though I love to customize everything the way I want and whatnot, I think I have "Matured" so to speak, and there are times all I want is "Install and Use". So that's the main reason for my decision: Leverage with a base Debian, the largest number of packages it gives me Ubuntu. I clarify, I'm just thinking about it, it does not mean that I step forward.
Although if I think about it, I could do an installation from an iso of ubuntu-server as if it were a netinstall en Debian and customize what I want. That is an option that I am not going to rule out, and maybe I could get a pure configuration of Xfce. The only thing that makes me doubt, is that Ubuntu In your eagerness to bring your distro closer to the end user, remove functionalities that you later need, an example of this is the system logs, but it is nothing that has no solution.
Well, nothing, the release of version 12.04 is approaching and we will see, if I risk leaving my beloved Debian.
In my opinion, using Ubuntu as the basis for an Xfce is somewhat contradictory because it already requires more resources than any other distribution. Debian + Xfce is much lighter. Now, if you don't have CPU / RAM problems and you love Xfce, as you mentioned Ubuntu + Xfce is the best option to test packages. I personally would choose any other lighter distribution to put an Xfce in it, really.
Yes, I have tried Xubuntu in previous versions and I know that Debian is lighter with Xfce, but it must be for the same thing that I mentioned to ianpock's
Hello
The detail is that not everyone has the knowledge to install a base system, and then little by little install the environment, the most novice users would not dare to face this ... and that is where Ubuntu comes in with its "ready" solutions (Out of the box) 🙂
have you tried this?
Well, there is already a PPA (Personal Package Archive) where you can download and install the package to have the global menu in XFCE (at least in Ubuntu).
Just add the PPA and install the xfce4-appmenu-plugin indicator-appmenu appmenu-gtk appmenu-qt packages. Example:
sudo apt-add-repository ppa: the-warl0ck-1989 / xfce-appmenu-plugin
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xfce4-appmenu-plugin indicator-appmenu appmenu-gtk appmenu-qt
And then we add the App Menu to the XFCE panel.
ok, after i saw the ubuntu,
I would not leave debian just for that, in any case I would change desktop,
It's not about Globalmenu or AppMenu whatever you want to call it, it's about the amount of available packages that in Debian I have to do magic to install.
Compile and resolve dependencies by hand 😉
But does this work on Xubuntu 13.10 (if it is clear) in versions beyond 11.04 (I think I remember that 12.10 was not going) if so I could try the new Voyager Linux that looks scary) or even ubuntu studio that does it The only thing missing was this, and it brings Xfce instead of Unity, I'll try it in a virtualizer and we'll see
regards
P.S. There is life beyond unity
But this is only for oneric and it will be necessary to wait for it to come out for more modern versions, however I will try in a virtualizer with UbuntuStudio 14.04 to see if it works
regards
Go go xD Don't worry, I'm not judging you for wanting to try Xubuntu. Before using Debian Xfce I used Xubuntu 11.10, and I must tell you, it is NOT at all bad (although it is not as light as Debian, I assure you). And coincidentally I was also trying to install Xfce Global Menu on Debian and I couldn't, even though I installed all the dependencies that seemed to be necessary.
And you don't have to leave Debian permanently, you can keep using it, perhaps with another desktop for testing.
Greetings.
PS: Either we are VERY similar or you read minds ...
Well, while it's useful, when it comes out if I'm going to install xubuntu 12.04
Of course, my openSUSE did not remove it.
Damn lizard, I hate her xD
pandev92
Well, I've been with the last one for a month and so far it hasn't failed me, I only use it for the most common.
Ala found to be missing when I had archlinux and debian, that if they were delicatessen ...
With a month you do nothing, at 6 months it comes back ...
Hello, I was just thinking of trying to install a xubuntu (or another light distro) on an old computer, a p-III, 501MHZ and 320 RAM that has win-xp and it is not bad at all, but I think it will be a lot of fabric for that computer, it would be used by my «mom» to surf the net, music and as my last resort when I screw up my pc
I do not plan to install Xubuntu, but Xfce in Ubuntu which is not the same ... 😀
I installed xubuntu 10.04 and I can guarantee that it is equal to or heavier than ubuntu 10.04. If you tell me to do a pure installation from Ubuntu server, okay and I don't understand it.
You will have to do the same work as in debian inst for an ubuntu server, for the applications ????????
We go with the experience you have and the good work it would not be better to install archlinux and there surely the applications of the aur, you would have more than enough ...
It must be recognized that in the canonical distros there is only room for one, at least the developers must think that, because a lot of work on artwork and others, but the others are either not official or have them as middle names ...
Actually you have to see what consumes so much in Xubuntu. If someone can prove to me that the Debian Kernel is more optimized than Ubuntu's and that for that reason it consumes less, then I shut up. I do not understand how the same applications can consume more in one distro than in another. I have always thought that the high consumption of Ubuntu is due to the amount of demons running to make the life of the user easier, and with an installation (almost) it may not be so.
I recently read in an English blog a comparison between debian xfce4 and ubuntu server xfce4.
the author seemed very, very fanboy Debianita but for some strange reason he was amazed even said that he consumed much less.
He also liked that the updates lasted 5 years, a factor also to take into account if you want to have a partition with your little things and not worry.
At the moment I'm virtualizing it and I'm going to see how it turns out, by the way I read elav on your other blog, a long time ago a tutorial that you had of optimized debian installation, I liked it, and now that I remember it I congratulate you!
XDDD
Thanks ^^ It would be good to find the link to that blog to read it 😀
Now looking at the differences in resources between debian xfce and xubuntu, I see that xubuntu needs 3 gb of hard disk, that is to say three times what it should.
I do not understand why so much the truth, it seems surprising to me ..
Maybe it has 300 thousand more applications and surely many more applications when starting ...
use arch
Mencanta your answer and more coming from Windows !!! 🙂
haha homework XD, but seriously @elav uses arch
Nope, use Debian. Arch didn't last me more than a week both times I installed it. ^^
He used it for a while ... short, brief, but there it was hehe
Give an example and one uses that shit that you use (seen in the logo) Mierdows Aereo or whatever
Well, yes elav, it would be good to read it, what happens that I read it at work and there is no unhealthy way to get the page, since I did it with firefox anonymously, I imagine there would be some way to see it but I did not I know.
It does not leave a history, although I will try to find you something similar 🙂
It wouldn't have been this, right?
No no, it was a very worked article, come on, it makes me angry to see it lost
After a month you will leave Ubuntu if you do, you will see xD, much to install easy but also to break easy.
http://geekyschmidt.com/2011/03/11/debian-server-vs-ubuntu-server
It is not what I was looking for but ………
I read it to see how
The best comment I have read in the whole post
Well, here is a xubuntu user from version 9.04 who is looking for alternatives ...
I use xubuntu 11.10 and I'm up to ********. For example, they install a bluetooth daemon and if you try to remove it, it tells you that it will also uninstall xubuntu-desktop.
If you try to remove bluezman, it tells you that it will also uninstall claws-mail ...
If you try to uninstall libgnome-bluetooth8, it tells you that it will uninstall the network-manager ...
On the other hand, the "notify" of xfce works as it pleases and does not respond to any configuration option because a christ has been mounted with another indicator that sneaks into Xubuntu, yes or yes.
They abuse gnome libraries enormously to the point that it looks like an Ubuntu that takes away the appearance of Gnome and installs Xfce on top, in fact it is one of the reasons why Xubuntu is so "heavy" and takes up so much RAM.
Xfconfd and gconfd-2 are running at the same time, I wonder that the computer does not jump every two by three.
And the Xfce development team working to eliminate all dependencies on Gnome ...
And last but not least, until just under two years ago Jannis Pohlman (one of the most active Xfce developers) played the role of liaison between the Xfce developers and the Xubuntu team. After a "meeting" in Barcelona, Jannis published in the list of developers that he immediately resigned from exercising this function and did not give any kind of explanation about why (neither did anyone ask him). As far as I know, no one else has picked up the witness or offered to maintain any kind of relationship with the Xubuntu developers.
So if you want to try Xubuntu go ahead ... but you already know my opinion
PS: I'm keeping an eye on Linux Mint Debian Edition Xfce, how does it work?
Voucher. That is exactly what happens with Xubuntu, that they install a meta-package full of Gnome dependencies, which leads me to think that it is the main reason for its high consumption. That is why I want to test and install with Ubuntu-Server since it seems to me that Ubuntu does not have netinstall. Anyway, when I do I will comment, although I repeat, I have only thought about it ..
Exactly, I used Xubuntu (and Ubuntu) for a while and it happened to me exactly the same thing when I wanted to eliminate demons and packages that I did not need (curiously also Bluetooth) And the worst of all is that when finally, after messing around for days, I managed to leave it as I wanted, it ended up breaking everything, and if after several reinstallations I finally managed to get it fixed to my liking, the fateful 6 months would arrive, and since I like to have everything up to date, I had to install again (to update or speak) and back to the same dance. It was to cry. In the end I decided never to use a cyclic again.
And beware, the PPAs are good, but they are not the wonder, suddenly (and more frequently than it should) even the most reputable crash in an update.
There is also another alternative to send the bluetooth demon to take over cu **. You install RCConf and you're done 😀
Using Fedora 16 with Xfce, I've been doing the best. but I have already thought about going back to my beloved Debian with Xfce to see how.
Slds.
On updates Fedora is better than Debian or am I wrong?
Not just debian, any distribution.
I installed the fedora on a pendrive the other day (curious because it is the first distro that I can install on a pendrive) and it is not for nothing but it kicks in, it crashes every so often and the applications take too long to open, maybe it's for the installation in pendrive or my intel card but ...
It's because of the installation on the pendrive ...
I understand that fedora is always on the top of everything ... even ahead of debian.
Now what it says «» is true is not to install a distro and reconfigure it so that it is beastly, it is "Install and Use" that is why ubuntu and linux mint are winning the fight, especially linux mint one installs it and that's it! to use whatever it is because everything is ready! That's not bad, on the contrary, all distros should be like that.
So what other distros for?
Papa no idea .. but what I do know is that the idea of using a system is to be used, not to put a hand on it until it is usable. It is not my personal appreciation.
As you say "the idea is"
Easy, you have windows and if you want ubuntu / mint.
If the idea is to learn how it works, there are you have archlinux, gentoo and others.
learning is good ... but not everyone wants to spend their time seeing how it works while it works. I think the vast majority of human beings think like this ...
It is a matter of taste ... but believe me how hard to accept it, the agent wants everything to come done, we like to find the packages and use them, others like to be in the new everything etc.
The good thing is that for everyone there is space and there will always be a distro that adapts to what you are looking for. 🙂
I have a mini HP, and I see that for more than a year and a half I have been installing Ubuntu from Pendrive. And to tell the truth, nothing has ever broken. I have to say that 11.04 was more unstable in that regard, 11.10 is a much more polished version. Sometimes I think that those who are very knowledgeable for going around configuring and customizing everything, in the end by not understanding how certain things work, they end up spoiling everything.
Many times I have seen that the problem is not the distro, it is the user who does not know how to identify what their needs are. Many simply go from tutorial to tutorial without knowing how to do things themselves.
It is true
It is very true. I used Ubuntu for over a year and I must say, things did not break just like that. The instability of Ubuntu, it can be the same as any other distribution with a certain Hardware, although the user, always has his% of fault in all this.
DEFINITELY ... elav <° Linux you couldn't explain it better.
That is why I respect the reasons of each one, no distro is bad, they are made to supply a certain need, if it breaks it is because of the user who put too much hand on it.
When I started in linux, I used ubuntu 11.04 and that put my hand even in the shadows .. and for wanting to learn more clearly! I damaged it infinitely many times, but I was learning .. When a system is damaged the user also has a certain degree of fault. To say that debian sid is a bad recommendation is wrong, because if the user only installs what is necessary and does not get too much hand, the system will not break. that simple. (I put the debian sid case as an example)
elav <° Linux you can correct me at any time if I'm wrong 🙂
Done Done.
This is why I hate the ubunto, because they are always disqualifying.
Here we have a good example
Is that with elav <° Linux or is it with me?
I suppose that TDE, but you don't pay attention to the baby.
Today I'm not for bullshit so I'd appreciate it if you didn't touch my balls
That is why you are simply indifferent to me, you are nothing more than a stupid troll.
Sure you use Shit
Go and get a good OS, examples Fedora / mint / Arch even Ubuntu everything is worth less that Mocosoft crap
What they say about "easy to install and easy to break" seems to me not to be the case .. in Unity things do break, but being in gnome shell with Ubuntu NO.
I used ubuntu and linux mint for years (with all types of desktops) and it always ends up breaking after 3 or 4 months (sometimes it was that I made a mess, others not). Now I've been using Fedora with KDE for about two months now and I'm so happy. By the way, for Fedora to be ready to use, you don't have to do much more than in Ubuntu to make it ready for use (add some repo, install the codecs, flash and the programs you like to use)
Regarding the Asuarto user, yes on the pendrive it is slower, like the Fedora live cd is also slow.
kasio eh a compatriot with the blue hat, if you ask him why I tell him if well it is because I am a user of fedora, nothing more than walking around debian sid hehe, now that fedora is slow if it usually happens.
Even if you don't believe it, Jamin Samuel fedora has the newest packages more than sid and experimental, I can even tell you "almost on par" with arch and gentoo.
Or even more, taking into account that Fedora is the distro where most of the news comes from 😀
Now yes but when I say it I am a lie
But baby, when I said that it is a lie that Fedora is the distribution that always includes the most news?
According to you, I am the type of user who says that Fedora is the one that innovates the most.
I do not get the comment out because then you get mad
WAO! ... well this was what I needed .. to talk with users of the blue hat 😉
I have not taken the step to fedora for fear of not finding packages that I normally find in ubuntu, such as:
- Brazier
- GNOME Mplayer
- Gnome-Sound-Recorder
- Toten Movie Player
- Rhythmbox
- VLC
- SMplayer
–Audacity
- Gtkpod
- Soundconverter (sound converter)
- OpenShot
- Emesene
- Skype
- Google Chrome
- Chromium Browser
- Firefox Mozilla
- Transmission
- Jdowloader
- Firewall
- Gparted
- Synaptic
- Gnome-Tweak-Tool
- Gnome-System-Monitor
- GDebi
- 7zip
- GIMP
- gThumb
- Evince (Document Format (PDF) files)
- Simple Scan
If you are telling me that in fedora there are the newest packages than in experimental debian and sid (O__O) brother then what do we do by tailing around the debian territories? why are we not using fedora ??
I will definitely learn to use a fedora ..
garbage killer tell me something, are the packages I mentioned available in fedora? and how can they be installed?
clear discarding GDebi and Synaptic
garbage killer and kasio libreoffice 3.5 is on fedora 16 ??
Watch this: https://blog.desdelinux.net/buscador-de-paquetes-para-varias-distros/
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Good! dad thank you very much 😉
Well, there is everything in fedora except certain packages that are used in debian and derivatives, well, why am I in debian? There is something that shocks me a bit, in fedora, which is going from version to version, and then my backups are not small and well I need some rolling, install once and no longer reinstall and very crazy I'm activating fedora rawhide repos, even though I'm going to return to fedora don't worry about that, even though I don't you think I like to experiment with other distros, that's why fedora is my # 1 distro ah debian I already have it as my second alternative when fedora is failing me for X things, if I don't use arch it's because it doesn't go with me and apart it would destroy its KISS philosophy hehe.
garbage killer are you on the branch Sid or on the branch Testing ?
You are saying that in testing and in sid it will never be reinstalled again .. \ O / I did not remember that xD I think testing calls me xD ahahaha the bad thing is that it takes a long time ¬¬ and I want to have gnome shell 3.4 this month or at least a week after leaving .. no I don't know if the branch Sid You will have it in your repos a few days after leaving 🙁
My dear Jamin Samuel I am using debian sid, and since gnome shell 3.4 still does not arrive in the sid repos, I just said that I have some that are already being updated towards 3.4, for example file roller that is already in version 3.3.92. XNUMX at least in debian sid, and then go ahead and try debian testing, and if you screw it up then screw it up nicely and try again hehe.
To kill you ... Trade Debian for that slop ... I don't know what kind of cenutrio would do that.
Besides the excuas you put are silly, do you really need all the shit that Xwinbuntu comes standard? But if nobody needs it.
Are you talking about ease? Using Debian? As Debian is quite easy, there is hardly any difference between Debian's difficulty and Xwinbuntu's.
I am hallucinating with you male ...
Silly excuses for whom, for you? Well, I'm the one who thinks to install Xubuntu, not you baby. I don't see anything wrong with using packages that are in the Ubuntu repositories. Can someone tell me what the problem is? Because no matter how hard I look, I can't find it.
We are already with the nonsense ...
If you read I am not saying to use the packages of the Winbuntu repos, but Winbuntu brings a lot of serial crap that does not use it or its p ... mother.
It's silly to complain about Debian's supposed difficulty (which is non-existent, like friends hahahahaha) or to say that Winbuntu has more packages.
It will cost you a lot to open a terminal and enter a command to install a little program, are you going to herniate?
Ubuntu brings a bunch of crappy packages according to whose appreciation? Yours? In Ubuntu there are many packages that in Debian do not exist and with which I work, xaralx to give you an example. But of course, I don't know why I wear myself out trying to explain something you don't want to understand ...
Oh what a serious problem ... You download the tar.gz and install it. Another who will have to operate for a brachial hernia ...
Or you ask me as you have done more than once.
Most Ubuntu programs tend to be bullshit that is not used, and I was referring to the ones that come by default, but come on, if you don't read badly, you'll find out
I don't feel like doing things the way you do. Get that fucking in your head. I don't want to compile, I don't want to spend work, I just want to do a:
$ sudo aptitude install xaralxAnd that the command resolves dependencies, and I install the application. Don't try to live my life. Don't come to tell me how to live it. And by the way fill yourself with eggs and do not disconnect from Gtalk (or do not make yourself invisible) when you are asked something and you do not want to answer.
Can you give me an example? And I repeat, you are talking about your personal tastes, and to top it all, you don't use Ubuntu so what do you know what users use or not? Take a survey with solid data and then issue your criteria baby.
Bullshit that is not used is your criteria, if for example X user wants to use Y application ... man, why not give him the possibility to install and use it with the least possible effort. Yes, it is true that it can be downloaded and compiled ... but the vast majority of novice users are terrified of that.
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Lots of little games, unnecessary drivers, crappy programs, etc.
Do you remember what happened in the metal post? Well that
Elav to all this, did you read the blog?
What's your opinion about it???
By the way, I consider that ubuntu server is the same as debian inst, but the bad thing is that it does not use two passwords, one for root and one for the user, as debian does.
I don't know if this is important to me for you, yes, I don't like users having root privileges.
Another question: Would you put any ssh, myqsl and / or firewall services and company ???
I suppose that the backup you would use something like bacula or something like that.
Recommended reading: ubuntu server guide if you choose to virtualize even ...
And I'm not saying it because you don't have experience, if not for the fact that we always leave things on the fly!
No, honestly I didn't have time yesterday. Today I keep an eye on it. Ubuntu's problem with sudo for me is a somewhat serious thing, but nothing that cannot be solved, really. Now as Server I think Ubuntu is useless (my own experience). The services are put according to what you need ...
SO Courage here I am afraid that the two of us are comparing two different things, your stability and I the applications and others.
It is true that Ubuntu is not very stable but are you going to tell me that the last debian is just as stable as the penultimate (debian5)
I tell you from experience that it mixed repositories and everything and it did not break (I am talking about 5), I never saw a more stable distro, as it is possible that unstable + sid, it remains so stable and let's not say sid + experimental.
Come on how stable it was, it was boring.
In debian 6 instead that did not happen to me ...
In Ubuntu that can't be done because if you don't get a kernel panic faster ...
For servers, I'm not using Ubuntu as a joke ... believe me, terrible experiences.
Well, now what I still had to read ...
But this is not the case
What elav refers to with having more packages, is that in the official Ubuntu repo there are more applications available to install than in the Debian repos.
Right!
Courage
What do you mean???
Let's say Ubuntu Server = Debian ...
Why do you say that?
I wanted to say that it has the same and that ubuntu server is the closest thing to debian inst than ubuntu has. If it is not true tell me which one is it ???
Is that Ubuntu is the most unstable there is, that's why it said
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