Arch Linux vs. Debian

I bring an article that I wrote in Let's use Linux a long time ago elav y KZKG ^ Gaara they will stop distorting with Arch Linux Vs Debian all posts.

Here I will analyze the advantages and disadvantages of these two distros as best I can considering that I like rolling releases KISS

1: ArchLinux

Arch Linux is a distro originally inspired by the Crux distro although it currently has no basis. The distro's slogan says A simple lightweight distribution, which when translated means a simple and lightweight distribution.

Arch Linux seeks to keep a system as less loaded as possible, thus following the KISS principle (Keep It Simple, Stupid, in Spanish keep it simple, stupid) avoiding having pre-installed applications and other parts that we do not use to achieve better performance.

It is rolling release, this means that it exempts us from reinstalling the system since versions of it are not released; updating the system we will have the latest stable.

But it is not all gold that glitters, installation can become somewhat complicated thus intimidating inexperienced users and prolonging installation time.

What are the pros of Arch Linux?
KISS principle: We assemble the system as we want, installing only what we need.
Rolling release character: We avoid reinstalling the distribution as new versions are not frozen.
Pacman package manager: The Pacman package manager is a fairly fast manager.
Yogurt: This tool allows us to use the AUR repository, sometimes avoiding having to install .tar.gz files.
ABS: ABS allows us to package and build programs from their source code.
Wiki: The Arch Linux Wiki is quite extensive, but it is not translated into all languages.

What are the cons of Arch Linux?
Installation: The installation can scare people new to Linux.
Rolling release character: Being a rolling release can cause problems with some packages, although Arch Linux is one of the more stable distros.
Peripherals: Installing peripherals like printers can be tedious in some cases.

2:Debian


Debian is a well known distro for its stability, it does not use any base and also uses .deb packages. It is a distro that uses 100% free packages as standard, thus avoiding the use of applications like Firefox, which are not 100% free. It has 3 branches: Stable, Unstable (Sid) and Testing.

As I was saying Debian seeks stability, which is why its versions take time to release and we do not have the latest.

Contrary to what many people think, Debian is quite a friendly distro, comparable to Fedora in this sense, but without being a Mageia-style distro (for example) as soon as it is installed.

Debian is cycling release, this means that versions are frozen.

Without being KISS, Debian is a less loaded system than, say, Linux Mint.

What are the pros of Debian?
Stability: This makes it an excellent alternative in places where we need high security conditions.
Parcel .deb: It allows us to install applications with a double click.
Synaptic: It allows us to install applications without using the terminal.
Friendly: The installation does not cause any fear to anyone, it is a typical next-next-next installation.
Little charged: This translates into better performance compared to other distros.

What are the cons of Debian?
100% Free: Those who are not very purists will surely find some extra problems when installing certain applications since non-free and contrib are not activated as standard.
Cycling Release: It forces us to suddenly update or reinstall the system with each release.
Update: We do not have the newest.

Which is better? Low mi point of view the following:
Servers: debian
Households: ArchLinux.
Business: Either one could work and it all also depends on the data to be stored and in which positions in the company the computers will be.


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  1.   ppsalama said

    Hi. Great article. It affects my internal debate of going to a more "purist" Linux distribution. From ubuntu to LMDE xfce with a brief step through fedora 15, but what is more frustrating for me, a series of countless attempts to install archlinux over 3 days that ended up dying in a post on the archlinux forum.
    Possibly it ends up in debian testing although I am not resigned to trying again arch.
    Congratulations on the blog.
    Salu2

    1.    Courage said

      The first day I tried to install Arch Linux I tried it 15 times, it is also true that I had sneaked into a shopping center with some of my institute and we were drinking vodka haha ​​that kind of made me lazy with Arch.

      Then after months I tried again and I succeeded.

      Anyway we have articles on the blog, it only remains for Eduar2 to send me his to post it too

      1.    KZKG ^ Gaara said

        Si Edward2 want, you can contribute directly to the blog ... in the end, we already have an author troll, having another is not a problem LOL !!!

        1.    Courage said

          He said on one occasion that he did not want to blog so as not to fight or something like that, although if I am a total hysterical I can write Eduar2 too, because in hysteria I do not think he will win.

        2.    Edward2 said

          Hahahaha and the base part is ready (I think I have 104 photos of this part), I need the easiest thing to install the graphic server and the desktop. But right now I am without a graphic server. I am still installing Gentoo: D, this time it has given me more problems, (portage has incredible power, but the same complexity) now I am installing the graphic server.

          1.    Courage said

            The following Gentoo tutorial, although I am lazy to try to install Gentoo again, between the Wiki and I don't know how many more things

          2.    ppsalama said

            If you are talking about an archlinux installation tutorial, that would be great. I would be the candidate to follow for my next arch installation attempt.
            Thank you

            1.    KZKG ^ Gaara said

              As I said right Courage, We have already put Arch installation tutorials, here I leave it for you 😉
              https://blog.desdelinux.net/bitacora-de-una-instalacion-archlinux/
              https://blog.desdelinux.net/como-instalar-arch-linux-kde-o-lxde/


          3.    Courage said

            What I was telling you is that we already have tutorials to install Arch in the forum, one from elav and one from mine, but I agreed with Eduar2 and he is going to send me his to publish

          4.    Courage said

            Not on the forum, but on the blog, before they start to screw me with mistakes

  2.   xfraniux said

    You and your little warriors about which distro is better, we all use a better system which is gnu / linux .. to the rest they say for there: "to taste colors."

    It does not matter which distro we use, the issue is that we use them precisely.

    1.    Courage said

      Haha yes but that's how they fight here and they don't distort that later they complain if others do

      1.    xfraniux said

        hahahahahahaha… I have noticed their fights, although sometimes they seem like tantrums more than fights…

        cheers to all of you guys ..

  3.   mitcoes said

    I have a chakra - arch fork focused on KDE that is doing quite well - now I'm with mint12 and backup LMDE, interested in porbar Khal the - I like to have several desktops - that is even mentioned today in Phoronix.

    The downside is that for test installations I like to use multisystem and their Live is not supported, I hope they will update it soon. Another one that is on my list of tests is servOS because it is based on centos, but intended for the desktop, it looks good.

    They all have pros and cons, in ARCH multisystem I couldn't compile it and in Sabayon, removing some dependencies, yes.

    so if you like being a tester, Mint12 or ubuntu is a "must have", you must have them, because there are many packages that only work on these distros - unfortunately -

    1.    Courage said

      Be careful, Chakra is not a fork of Arch, if it started as an Arch-based distro that intended to have a modular and free Kde you would have anything not Qt, although they want to follow their own style and stop using Arch as a base.

      Mint I have not tried it although I do not rule it out, yes, that I like it is another story because it is very easy for me, I like interesting things with some difficulty

  4.   vicky said

    To install arch it is advisable to first read the wiki, then try to install it in a virtual machine, if it is successful just there it would be recommended to try to install it for real. The good thing about arch is that once you get used to it it is very easy to maintain.

    1.    KZKG ^ Gaara said

      Definitely + 1 ... in fact, I always recommend trying it first in a Virtual 😀
      Greetings and welcome, we hope to read you more often 🙂

    2.    ppsalama said

      In my case I read the wikis in Spanish and English, I printed them out, I accompanied myself with a laptop for various documentation, I read the complete guide… and… well… what are we going to do… as I said, I'll try again. I think it is understood that a virtual machine uses its own graphic "driver" and not that of your card ... and I think my installation problems have to do with the issue of graphics.

      1.    Edward2 said

        Use the Wiki in English is more updated than those of any language and zero virtual machine if you follow the steps of the wiki you will not have problems ... and if you have problems install Links or elinks are 2 browser's for console that help a lot if you have problems and you don't have a graphical server.

  5.   José Miguel said

    I agree with everything but your final conclusion.

    In my opinion, when we talk about better distributions for the home, we should not forget their level of difficulty, which in the case of Arch Linux is not little. When we talk about home, we mean something simpler, not systems for advanced users.

    Greetings.

    1.    Courage said

      Arch Linux installation is longer than difficult, and for a household you don't feel like reinstalling with every version

      1.    José Miguel said

        The difficulty is always a somewhat abstract term, it all depends on knowledge.
        In terms of home, I prefer to talk about something more accessible, but that is a personal matter, something that does not necessarily have to be shared.
        On the other hand, updates to Debian are as simple as changing the version name in the repositories and little else. As in any update there is always a risk, although personally I have not had problems.

        1.    Courage said

          Keep in mind that it gives you more control, who wants something likes something, doesn't it?

          1.    José Miguel said

            We agree on that.

          2.    pandev92 said

            I do not know I do not know, if I do not want something I uninstall and it is faster than installing, but quite a lot, for example in arch I never managed to make the wifi of my laptop work well from the button of the laptop, if I turned it off from the button, I no longer know It turned on, and if it wasn't enough, knetwork manager wasn't going and had to use the crap from wicd xD ..

        2.    KZKG ^ Gaara said

          Man, a pleasure to read you here 😀
          Re-Welcome 😉

  6.   pandev92 said

    Chakra all the vide, kde complete and working and they do not put crazy packages in the stable repositories ... xD

    1.    KZKG ^ Gaara said

      In Arch repos stables they don't put crazy packages either, and you can use kde-unstable if you want 😉

      1.    pandev92 said

        I remember the beautiful pulseaudio 1.0, those from arch were the first to put it in and alaaaaaaa, you couldn't choose between speakers and headphones with the intel xD cards, if that's not a crazy package, I'm Santa Claus

  7.   Erythrym said

    Excellent post, the truth is that until now I was and still am, at the moment, a LMDE user, but with Debian repositories (testing, unstable and experimental), so it was more Debian than LMDE, but now, apart from having certain problems with LMDE (yes, something to put those repositories) since I got the bug and I want to try Arch. I tried to install it in a virtual machine, but due to connection problems (KZKG ^ Gaara told me that I had to put an IP in the Virtualbox the same as the OS in which I have the Virtualbox, but no idea how to do it XD) I was not able to finish the installation. Hope I can fix this soon and give Arch a try!

    1.    Courage said

      Well, let me explain it to you instead of chatting with me now and asking me about women hahaha

      1.    Erythrym said

        Hahahahahahaha, poor kid! You will have enough with what you have! In addition, I am somewhat busy with exams, on vacation I will start with the installation

  8.   Mauricio said

    I managed to install Arch after fighting a bit with the graphics card, but so far I am extremely satisfied, I have managed to configure everything (except the printer), and now that it is working it goes like an airplane. I just love it.

  9.   proper said

    esque you can't compare arch with debian ... and arch doesn't qualify for business, it's too unstable

    1.    Courage said

      Arch unstable? I have not had any stability problems with Arch, not a single one

    2.    Edward2 said

      Arch Linux is unstable depending on who's running it.

      1.    Courage said

        If a ubuntoso handles it, I won't even tell you hahahaha

      2.    KZKG ^ Gaara said

        Depending on the hardware and the knowledge of the manager.

  10.   proper said

    That you do not have problems does not mean that it can be used in companies, for companies I would not use a distro that does not have a package testing team, do you know when they pass a package from testing to stable ??? ... not one in where the packagers do not know what version of gcc they use (that is serious) or when removing a module from the kernel it no longer compiles because they do not apply the patch for gcc 4.6, although they say they do not use patches if they have to do it with the kernel, otherwise it does not compile and so I could continue giving examples

    1.    Edward2 said

      I want to see that company where they remove kernel modules and compile. Unless you are the administrator (of the system, not of the company) in a company you do not see anyone compiling, but they put certain tools for the use of the company / department and depending on the type of company and who administers it, you can put up to windows hahahaha.

      1.    Courage said

        Better explained impossible.

        Arch also has a reputation for being stable, not otherwise

      2.    proper said

        hehehe yes well, I was from the mobile at the time of writing that, what I meant was not that a company does that but that a company uses a distribution in which the developers do that ... I forgot to add the magic word «in which »and that is why what I tried to say changed drastically 😛

  11.   elav <° Linux said

    But what nonsense. From the outset without offending our dear Courage, you chose to compare two distributions that have nothing to do with each other, neither in their packaging, nor in the development cycle, nor in their operation.

    Arch for the home? Whose home, a guru? If I have to tell my old man that to use a printer he has to compile and do I don't know how many things, the first thing he tells me is: Install Windows for me.

    Eduar2, Courage, KZKG ^ Gaara: They know perfectly well that Archlinux cannot be used by just anyone. It's not just the installation, it's everything that comes next. I'm not saying that Debian is better or worse, just that it is much easier than Arch. Don't you believe me? Install Grub2 on Debian and Arch, and uninstall Grub. Then repeat the process again, but in reverse. They will tell me which one is better for the home.

    What Debian doesn't have the latest packages? It is true, depending on the branch in which we are. But look guys, with Debian Testing I'm quite up to date and I'm not complaining. The latter I will not have at the moment, but in a couple of days, weeks or months. Total, what I have works, and it works well.

    1.    Courage said

      Come on man, you don't have to be a guru, just have a little knowledge, but we already know that Debian makes you just as horny as a certain person

    2.    Edward2 said

      Come on, it is not as difficult as they say, only that some can be covered (I say it because it happened to me more than once, but since I am stubborn I did not give up) come on, if the GNU / Linux operating system were difficult I would not use it , and if Arch Linux was difficult I wouldn't use it either.

      You know I've always said (unlike you with Arch Linux) that I consider Debian an excellent distribution, stable, reliable and universal, but it is not a distro for me, just as others do not use Arch because it is not their type of distribution.

      Any idiot can install, configure and use Arch Linux as an example. Sandy, Courage and me, ahhh and you even installed it too. Sometimes any idiot can use it 😀

      1.    Edward2 said

        You see * for god sakes.

    3.    KZKG ^ Gaara said

      Just yesterday I met a partner who has Arch on his desktop, on his netbook and on his wife's laptop.
      But not that ... it has Arch on all its servers, and believe me ... it is NOT mediocre, far from it.

      😀

      1.    elav <° Linux said

        You know perfectly well that it sweats me. As you also know perfectly well that having ArchLinux on servers is complete madness. Still on the PC, Netbook and Laptop it happens, but I'm sure that when the woman throws a tantrum, she is not the one who solves the problems.

        1.    Courage said

          You need this: http://www.laboratoriolamar.com/imagenes/diazepan.jpg

          Don't be like that man, I would really put Slackware on a server or better, BSD

      2.    msx said

        A sysadmin friend manages about 20 machines with Arch in two Restó / Bar / Cybercafé in the city, between billing equipment, notebooks and cyber machines.
        The vast majority of machines have different hardware - nothing is easy in the life of a sysadmin, sniff - but they are all _sucking_ and require very little to no maintenance, which is the basis of any sysadmin job: if one you have to be aware of your client's machines is that 1) a good job was not done, 2) you have to deal with extra work all the time which is highly unproductive and stressful.

        It seems to me that the fact that someone gets 'nervous', so to speak, when he hears that someone else uses Arch for servers and production computers is because they have a tradition of version-based GNU / Linux systems and Arch's constant speed and updating. it can give you some vertigo ...

        In this order I am sorry that the ArchServer project that aimed to bring Arch Linux simplicity to a server-specific distro has been suspended indefinitely.

  12.   zOdiaK said

    I'm tired of Debian being for business, which is true up to a point, but I find this statement limiting, and somewhat muffled.

    Currently I am on a Debian Squeeze system, in which I have everything 100% working, this did not imply any greater knowledge of computer science (in fact, I study construction).

    And yes I know I do not have the latest, but if I wanted to install Wheezy, if I wanted more lightness, I would install from 0 with Netinst in its Testing version. (I would not have 0 Day software either, but it gives me some security knowing that this is being "tested" by someone).

    I've been using Debian since its version 3.0, previously it was somewhat more complicated, but this distro has managed to focus on the end user, and it does it well.

    Did someone talk about the different platforms it has?… In my opinion Debian is so versatile that you could configure a NASA system so well and leave it for someone in your home to manage it.

    Debian 93 ′ 11 ′ and… still kick asses.

    1.    R @ iden said

      +1000

  13.   ridri said

    I've tried both for a year, plus ubuntu another year, week-long tests on fedora, opensuse, triskel (this little known but almost as fast as arch only 100% free), mandriva and linuxmint. From my experience as a user without any computer knowledge (in fact, I have learned how little I know about Linux and I hardly know how to use Windows) I conclude that by investing a little time in the wiki, Archlinux has had no rival except Debian. But for me arch is a point above all the ones I have tried for its speed and above all stability. The whole system is under control and any mess caused by hand fiddling can be repaired (crazy desk changes)
    I was always in love with KDE but my computer slowed down too much until I installed it in arch when gnome3 came out and that is my surprise that everything worked perfectly. Everything can be modified in a simple way. I know that all that can be done in debian but I was not capable when I used it. That is if the performance change from ubuntu to debian is brutal. From debian to arch is not that spectacular but it shows. But of course the handicap of arch is that you have to read the wiki or something similar. With debian you can jump into the pool if you come from another linux. But for me it has been the best investment in computing I have ever made. I hope I don't sound like a fanboy. I believe that all distros have their user profile and that is why they exist, because they adapt to the needs-tastes of each one and you cannot have everything.

    1.    elav <° Linux said

      It is also true. You're right. But there is something important, apparently you made him interested in learning and it is not what happens with many users who do not even know what a Wiki is.

      1.    ridri said

        Thanks to people like you who blog that guide and give selfless help.

  14.   msx said

    Arch 4 the pipol !!!!

  15.   msx said

    * Excellent * article, descriptions so precise are rarely read 🙂

    At home I have an Arch home server (kernel grsec, sshguard, etc. + various tweaks and customizations), a NAS machine to which I had installed OpenMediaVault (I liked it more than FreeNAS) and now Arch runs -of course! - and a test machine on which I have Parabola GNU / Linux (Arch Linux% 100 Free) installed.
    The only PC that Arch does not have -for now- is my sister's note. to which I put a Linux Mint 12 with Cinnamon since I needed to have something running very fast and I did not have time to configure it.

    Debian is a GREAT community project that I adhere to ideologically but in practice, that is, the way they implement GNU / Linux I don't like it at all!
    However, leaving personal considerations -totally subjective- aside, I accept that Debian is an excellent option for production environments that need some flexibility and very little maintenance ... although so is openSUSE, for example 😉

  16.   frame said

    debian can also be rolling release, just point the repositories to the testing or sid branch and that's it.

    debian allows you to maintain a hybrid system with packages from different branches (apt-pinning) this can be good if you know how to maintain it since it allows you to have a base system and a stable or testing desktop environment and use programs such as browsers etc. in its most modern versions.

    the debian installer is prepared for blind people (I don't know how many other distros have this (by the way, I have not read any article that talks about this type of thing since it allows blind people to do their installation without depend on third parties)) <- that about should be a non-discriminatory distro

    the debian installer although it is one of the following. has an advanced installation option and a console type installation option

    In addition, the debian installer allows you to do either a typical installation (with the meta-packages that install everything) or to do a minimal installation with only the base system and from there you choose what to install.

    if known, debian can be whatever you want it to be 😉

    I wonder how many times a year a debian user reinstalls his system and how many times a user from arch xddd does it

  17.   frame said

    offtopic: it strikes me that in the comments function they use, it marks me a tux but does not put the debian logo, will it be the iceweasel / firefox anti-tracking function? The adblok plus? Or that my OS is a debian testing? Oo

    1.    KZKG ^ Gaara said

      It must be because you have to declare the distro you are using in the UserAgent of your browser, read this tutorial and you will see the Debian logo like me 😉: https://blog.desdelinux.net/tips-como-cambiar-el-user-agent-de-firefox/

  18.   frame said

    Thanks, I'll put it into practice 😀

  19.   martin said

    "That brings them closer to being a non-discriminatory distro"
    Without wanting to start any kind of flame, this comment sucks.
    So, for example, all cars discriminate and belittle their users because they do not drive automatically when a blind person "drives"?
    What the hell are we talking about !?
    That little speech is really annoying, and pretty stupid.

    @rama: do you know what discrimination is? To discriminate is that in my country, which boasts of being of the center-left (as a whole), with a government that boasts of being popular, INTEGRATING and of the left, they have asked me today to jointly renew my ID and passport for $ 435, I mean about $ 100, okay? $ 100 USD at the official price of $ 4,35 per dollar, which does not exist, because today, here, there is galloping inflation with a dollar parallel to $ 7 x dollar.
    So, if I have to leave the country, or for any reason I want to do it, first I have to pay a fee, a permit, to be able to do it.
    They ask me for $ 435 to have a passport when% 50 of the workers are in black and earn around $ 2500, when the minimum family basket is $ 4000.

    Bullshit no, please.

    The correct thing would be for you to say: «Debian GNU / Linux, being a social and community project, is focused on the realization of a totally free operating system that can be used by the greatest number of people, trying to break down the obstacles that prevent any person to use it, especially those with some kind of disability or disability. "

    That is a correct paragraph and also totally true and where I express my feelings regarding the social side of Debian GNU / Linux, one of the largest social and community projects in history, not only computerized, with around -si I'm not wrong - 2.000.000 debianeros, between developers and users who have contributed to the project.

    That technically, that the GNU / Linux implementation paradigm seems to me -and this personal- an abomination, is another matter, we are talking about something purely technical, not about the greatness of Debian as a joint project.

    Bank to death to Debian, of course, is a great social project with very noble objectives - just read its social contract.
    Technically: I despair, I avoid it like bad light.

    Salu2.

    1.    frame said

      Martin, I don't feel like discussing with you the meaning and scope of the term discrimination, and from what you put, I really doubt that you know its meaning.
      The example that you refer to a state policy that applies to all citizens equally or at least that is how it should be (as an Argentinian that I am, I suppose you speak of Argentina, although in Venezuela I understand that there is also a kind of stocks to change it) So the example you set is really bullshit.

      According to Wikipedia, "in its most colloquial sense, the term discrimination refers to the act of making a distinction or segregation that threatens equality" http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discriminaci%C3%B3n

      I really believe that there is discrimination when a person wants to go to the bathroom and cannot go by himself because there is a staircase and he cannot pass it with his wheelchair, or when a person wants to go to the kiosk to buy something but cannot go alone, because she has to cross a street and there are no signs or traffic lights for blind people, that is also discrimination.

      i think debian's decision to add an installer for the blind is not bullshit, it helps increase equality and brings debian closer to being a non-discriminatory distro.

      look at the turn you give to not say the word discrimination: «... trying to break down the obstacles that prevent anyone from using it, especially those with some kind of disability or disability ...» hahahaha

      regards

      1.    martin said

        1ro:
        "*Wheelchair"

        2do:
        Aha, I'll explain:
        The definition that you quote from Wikipedia is incomplete and tendentious - at least the Spanish and English versions, which are the ones I look at, and that is precisely why there is a clarification at the beginning of each article about the need to expand and revise it.

        In fact, the definition you are citing focuses on only one of the meanings of the term, the one used to segregate a social group and potentially violate their "rights" (I put it in quotation marks because today everyone has the right to everything, but he takes no responsibility for anything, not even his own life).

        As I explain, the definition of wikipedia is just one of the many meanings of the term and I invite you to discover its richness since you obviously do not know it; for example academically it is used continuously, it is also widely used in all kinds of scientific publications, literature and techniques among others, but of course, you have to be moderately educated and have read a little to realize it.

        I repeat for the last time: it is pathetic that the / the authors of the WP article worry about catharsis putting only the definition on the meaning that they suffer instead of being intellectually honest and defining the term in its fullness.

        I am fat, I must be like 15 kilos above my weight at the moment and if someone tells me "fat !!" He's absolutely right, regardless of the fact that a reverend egg sucks me, but in the same way that I don't give a SINGLE fuck about that, someone else starts crying because they discriminate against him for being fat, WTF! If you are fat or fat bancatela that they call you fat instead of crying on the shoulder of the commissioner that they discriminate against you! xD

        I'm going to explain something to you:
        Discriminating is a daily and basic act of survival that all living beings on the planet use consciously and unconsciously on a continuous basis, some in a purely instinctive way - although no less effective - like less evolved animals, and instinctively at times and rationally. the animals a little more evolved - although not much - like the human beings.
        The methods to be applied to different preparations are continuously discriminated in a chemistry laboratory.
        The abilities of each one are continuously discriminated in working groups to achieve a better environment and use of individual and group qualities - in the same way that a DT discriminates techniques, tactics and abilities of his players.
        You continuously discriminate while driving a car or riding a bicycle, you discriminate which newscast you prefer to hear and which one you don't.

        Please: let's end the pseudo-guarantee catchphrase of demonizing the word discrimination and assigning it a single meaning - I recommend that you read 1984 and you will understand how certain governments or power groups distort the words so that it is easier to control increasingly uneducated human masses.

        3ro:
        «I really believe that there is discrimination when a person wants to go to the bathroom and cannot go by himself because there is a ladder and he cannot pass it with his wheelchair, or when a person wants to go to the kiosk to buy something but cannot Going alone, because you have to cross a street and there are no signs or traffic lights for blind people, that is also discrimination. "

        Sure, you think wrong then.
        For there to be the type of social discrimination that I think you are referring to, there needs to be a PROACTIVE and DETERMINISTIC behavior to achieve this end, that is, in this case, to discriminate.
        The examples you cite are merely examples of the negligence and inefficiency of an absent state made up and run by humanly mediocre leaders who care little or nothing about their peers and the problems and needs they may have.

        Your example is not correct since -I want to believe- the State does not proactively seek to segregate blind people, to prevent someone with motor problems from crossing the street or for people in wheelchairs to pee on themselves, all this is only a consequence of misuse that make of state resources the rats that occupy public office.

        "I think Debian's decision to add an installer for the blind is not bullshit, it helps increase equality"
        I totally agree and that social commitment is one of the things I most admire about Debian.

        "And about should be a non-discriminatory distro."
        And hit it.
        Obviously you have good intentions but that alone is not enough: you have to have culture and be moderately lively to be able to reason clearly; Burn it to fire: for discrimination to exist, you have to proactively seek it out, otherwise, you are making aberrantly bad use of the term.

        «Look at the turn you give to not say the word discrimination:“… trying to break down the obstacles that prevent anyone from using it, especially those with some kind of disability or disability… ”hahahaha»
        No, I do not turn around, I define a concept with the minimum of possible words that enclose a complete definition and impossible to distort, as I said above, do you think that saying "discriminate" is enough because you lack training, reading, analysis, critical thinking, I do not know, you will know, look.
        In fact, and this is something that I learned from scientific publications, when you use an ambiguous term or that within a certain context presents several assumptions or nuances of interpretation, the first thing you should do is define exactly what that term means and in what context. You are using it, but it lends itself to a free interpretation that can be useful to politicians who mobilize groups of people without real training or culture - academic or self-taught - based only on emotional impulses, but not on scientific or technical work where seriousness is required, professionalism and above all southern accuracy.

        Greetings.

  20.   martin said

    "And about debian to be a non-discriminatory distro."

    So those of us who use distros other than Debian are rubbish because we use discriminating distros, that is, they seek that users with vision problems cannot use them! - They are distros that exercise discrimination, obviously.

    I suppose that within this group of discriminating distros those who use distros that are not% 100 Free Software Foundation compliant are the worst and they deserve to go straight to hell, right !?

    And what do you tell me about a quadriplegic person who can't even record an ISO on a pendrive, insert it into their machine and install the system. operating assisted by some kind of technology that allows you to control the mouse with your eyes?

    For: and what happens with that person who does not have any type of disability / disability but does not have the necessary knowledge to install a system. operational? Debian discriminates against them as brutes and digital illiterates, obviously!

    I think that Debian to be less discriminatory should, as a minimum, put a 24/7/365 debian available to each person who wants to install their operating system, as long as they do not do so they will be discriminating in one way or another to possible users leaving them out of digital inclusion and making their lives more miserable ... Ahh! I knew that in Debian they were damned, just a façade !!!!

    I follow?

  21.   frame said

    You're the typical Argentinian opinionologist who discusses everything down to the water,

    this is no longer a question of clarifying concepts or delimiting the scope of the word discrimination. You're only interested in winning an argument regardless of anything more than that and all because you don't like the phrase "non-discriminatory distro."

    You don't like the term "nondiscriminatory distro" I don't give a damn.

    It is evident that in the case of disabilities we are talking about a type of social discrimination, where the active subject is society and the passive subject is the disabled.

    Obviously, there is an active and discriminatory action when a society performs certain acts (see constructions, signs, software, hardware, car construction, etc., etc.) without taking into account these groups that are in disadvantaged conditions, having technical resources to avoid it.

    And it is a gross error to believe that for discrimination to exist there must always be an intention to cause said end on the part of the active subject in the passive subject.

    In these cases there is no intention to cause harm (see discrimination)

    think what you want but blind people who have computer knowledge are unable to install an operating system themselves. And this itself is a situation of discrimination because the technical resource exists and it is not applied.

    To be clear, by not offering the possibility to a blind person to carry out an installation by himself, there is a technical resource available, this is an act of discrimination, and Debian when implementing it, stops discriminating against these people. which is practically the same as saying that this type of act should be a non-discriminatory distro.

    but this does not mean that there is a malicious intent in the rest of the Linux distributions that do not offer this possibility, if there is a technical resource.

    I do not continue arguing more about the rest of your comment because it gives me the impression that you broke down and you started saying nonsense.

    greetings and finite garue you

  22.   msx said

    Uhh ... follow the detour, now with more technical and pompous words.
    You are the typical social anthropology student who is dedicated to barding in college and cutting streets instead of being productive.
    Let me love you salami if you are happy believing the nonsense you write.

    1.    KZKG ^ Gaara said

      Eh Eh come on compa, that's enough 😉

  23.   Anibal said

    This seems to me that it is more for a forum than for a blog post ...

    a long debate takes place

    let everyone use what they like while using linux 🙂

    1.    KZKG ^ Gaara said

      let everyone use what they like while using linux
      Amen!

  24.   Fernando A. said

    I use arch and I love it. Debian is also an excellent distro.

    1.    Fernando A. said

      Why doesn't my arch logo appear in my comments?

      1.    msx said

        Because Arch Linux packages are faithful to Upstream and therefore web browsers are not edited to publish the distro per-se.
        A good place to check your current user agent is useragentstring.com

      2.    KZKG ^ Gaara said

        Hello
        It happens that Firefox should tell the site that you use Arch, but by default it does not, here is a tutorial on how to make the small adjustment to Firefox: https://blog.desdelinux.net/tips-como-cambiar-el-user-agent-de-firefox/

  25.   croissant said

    Debian was born on August 16, 1993, while Arch did on March 11, 2002. Surely the author of this article in 2002 was still with the pacifier.

    In addition, the article is pro-Arch, however diplomatic one wants to appear.
    Since 1996, when I tried Debian, it has not stopped being my preferred distribution.
    And having tried Arch, I can only say that Debian has nothing to envy that apparently home-friendly distribution.

    I have never wanted to indoctrinate anyone with Debian and when I have been asked to install a Gnu / Linux distribution, the first thing I do is know the capabilities of that user. Depending on it, I decide which is the best distribution that can be adapted to your knowledge, be it scarce or advanced.

  26.   JK said

    There are three distros that I have loved from my novice position: Manjaro, SolusOS and CrunchBang. [I would include Chakra if it weren't for the KDE environment that is fat –in size and resource consumption–, aesthetically rough, with a metallic plate finish with glossy edges that doesn't have that smooth to work with that I mentioned first and with a prolific many options in sight, often unnecessary] I understand that using Manjaro is basically using an Arch already pre-assembled but respectful of the Arch base, as well as SolusOS but above all CrunchBang is using a Debian in a minimalist but exquisite and faithful presentation. The most popular distros (Ubuntu, Mint, OpenSuse, Mageia, Fedora, etc) have definitely not convinced me for long reasons to explain.

    It seems that in this medium either you are debianite or you are archer. I'm not a connoisseur, but wouldn't there be a possibility of wanting both of them, both Arch and Debian?

  27.   truko22 said

    Debian for home servers is the best, plus the large number of supported platforms can be used by a large number of devices. On my desktop I use Chakra Project which is the daughter of arch, but half rolling.

  28.   Fernando Monroy said

    The time spent "defending a distro" is more productive when you do a how-to tutorial for that distro. That brings more to the community.

    1.    msx said

      Defending or criticizing a distro also creates community.
      I agree that doing it for subjective reasons is idiotic but not objectively arguing advantages and disadvantages of the approaches and decisions taken by the different distros.

      Although of course, the exercise of "criticism" requires a lot of preparation, experience and use of neurons, something that is not abundant.

  29.   Donillan said

    As a computer science teacher once told me "the best operating system is the one that doesn't break your balls to do what you have to do"