Good article or bad article? Whatever but with respect

A few days ago my colleague Yoyo308 published on his blog an article that many took as a kind of occasional tantrum. It was about many of the users who benefit from a project for free and do not even bother to thank the author with a simple comment.

Beyond Yoyo's emotional state, her article contains a fairly clear message and a reality that we encounter every day: Many of the GNU / Linux users are not thankful. And I talk about GNU / Linux because it is in its community where I develop, maybe OS X or Windows users are too, although things are different and I will explain why later.

¿A que viene este artículo en DesdeLinux?

This article comes up due to several comments that I have been able to read on our blog, Yoyo's and many others, which denote the attitude and way of thinking of some people. Whether or not they are wrong to comment, There are certain guidelines that must be taken into account when issuing a criterion, and the main one, I consider that it is respect for the opposite party.

Starting from the fact that we all have the right to think differently, I think also we have the obligation and duty to express ourselves in the best possible way, in a respectful way.

Last Monday, May 26, one of the administrators of this blog published a sponsored article about an offer launched last April by Ediciones ENI. The error on our part was not to confirm that the information provided was 100% valid, and we made it very clear later in that article and its comments.

After what happened, Ediciones ENI contacted us to apologize anyway, since said article and its title were actually written by them and the information it contained was out of date. So we proceeded to update the entry in question.

However, you can see in many of the comments of that publication a wrong attitude on the part of some readers (and I am not going to mention or quote any), and I will tell you what it is that leads me to think that it is not correct. What do they do.

It is no secret to anyone that maintaining an active website, a VPS, a domain and services in general, with a Community as large and growing as ours, is not easy or free. DesdeLinux hasta la fecha se ha mantenido gracias a Donations made by some of our users, since those of us who manage and create this project cannot financially support it.

Pero lo que hacemos, lo que ofrecemos, es parte de nuestras ganas de compartir nuestros conocimientos, de ayudar a los demás, o simplemente de ese placer que sentimos al escribir en un blog. No cobramos, ni obligamos a nadie a pagar para consumir lo que DesdeLinux offers.

It is very hard then to see, how there are users who without thinking for a minute what they are going to say, attack our Authors, Editors and Administrators, in some cases deliberately disrespecting us, demanding quality articles as if they were paying for it, as if we were charging a service and therefore, as if we had an obligation to keep a client happy. And I must say that if you are reading this and you are one of those users, I think you are making a very big mistake by thinking that way.

And the story is repeated again. It is very easy to write and issue unconstructive criticism, or criteria such as:

"This article is rubbish" ... "It's a shame to see an article like this on this blog" ... "This article has no quality whatsoever" ... etc.

The same thing happens when an article is published that goes a little out of the theme of this site or that someone simply does not like, to read comments such as:

I feel disappointed, I will leave this blog and will never return ...

I leave you some questions for your consideration:

  1. How can they judge without even knowing under what conditions those of us who write in this blog managed to publish something?
  2. Do you think it fair to launch a comment like that when in some cases, we have spent hours and hours looking for information or writing said article?
  3. Are we forced to write what some users want to read?
  4. Can you judge the quality of a blog by one of its articles?
  5. Do you know how our teamwork works, or do you know what we do or not do to improve every day?

As a general rule, all nodes, by conviction, assume some responsibility towards the users who visit our site. That is why we have a Drafting Guide for our editors.

In my case I always try to write articles that, although they are not very long, convey an idea or knowledge about the subject in question, or even articles that generate a healthy debate; But that does not mean that you are required to meet certain quality meters that some readers have.

If you do not agree with something that is published here, as I said, it is entirely your right, but it is not the same to say:

«... I think the author is wrong ...» or »... I think the author is sending the wrong message ...»

to say:

»This article sucks…«, «… This is no use…» or »… This is of terrible quality…«

You are not obliged to read us, just as we are not obliged to write. However, we write, trying to maintain this space with the aim of learning, both you and us.

I respect so that they respect me

That is why the only thing I ask is that if you cannot issue a constructive criterion, please do not waste your time putting a comment that, far from contributing, does the opposite.

Article Respect

Image taken from http://gritavida.blogspot.com/2011/06/respeto-honra-es-lo-que-nos-hace-falta.html

When writing this I can be wrong, because I am a human being and it is possible that I get carried away by my emotions, but all I ask is respect for those who spend even 5 minutes of their time trying to write something for you. I respect for them to respect me. And as long as it is that way, we can engage in the debate you want.


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  1.   Germaine said

    Nobody can give what they do not have, and much less when they have not taken the trouble to write a blog or to have one to publish what they want, taking advantage of the fact that there are many offers of free sites. Whoever comments with offensive terms, swear words, denigrating the author, trashing the content, etc., does so (my medical opinion) because they have a very low self-esteem; and you want to blame others for your situation, your own inability to produce something that benefits and makes you feel good and appreciated.
    People of that class will continue to abound and they will come to post comments of this type, even many times with huge misspellings that demonstrate the little culture they have.
    You may not have studied a university profession, or have not gone to school or high school and that is forgiven, but offending and mistreating supported by an anonymity that the network gives that is another situation. Respect is learned at home and manners and courtesy as well.

    1.    elav said

      Very well said!

      1.    Chaparral said

        You said it yourself, elav, respect so that they respect you.
        Although it is true that in any place and in any situation you should never, ever lose your education and your composure. Because when someone responds with an outburst, they are putting themselves on the same level as the other.
        And having said this, I refer to my first sentence: Respect so that they respect you.

        And finally I affirm, also, that there are blogs and blogs. Not everyone is prepared, by far, to run a blog, and I will not elaborate further because I am not the right person, but I am thinking about it. Say, in this case write, you can say everything, good and bad. The difficult thing is to save the forms. Be graceful with others.

  2.   Edgar J Portillo said

    Well, what else is going to say. As a reader of this blog, I feel uncomfortable when reading some comments like the ones you mention elav, they may not be important and are like those flies that flutter on your face but for the same reason, for flies that they are, it seems that the blog is full of shit, when it isn't. It bothers the environment a bit, sometimes the best thing about a post are the comments that are given in them, their debates, opinions, criticisms and interesting data.

    Desde Linux es algo especial, a pesar de ser tan grande, no está hecho por Tuxlibanes que te decapitarían por no tener conocimiento de ciertas cosas, por ejemplo yo apenas uso elementary OS y me asustaba por errores o fallos de Sabayon y una vez pregunté, y muchas veces me quisieron decapitar. Ejeeem, por eso es más familiar y agradable leer aquí, mantenerlo así y aportar como se pueda.

    Thanks elav, KZKG ^ Gaara, nano and all the other members of this site.

    (I got sentimental, don't blame me, I just had a very cold Pepsi xD and it's hot)

  3.   Snifer said

    Simple y al punto pocas veces comento en desdelinux pero siempre ando enriqueciendome y como te lo dije por Twitter siempre habran los fanboys que defienden a morir, y no seras el primero ni el último que te ataquen.

    Regarding the time spent, I understand you on my blog how many times a troll did not come saying that I do not write well, and more than once I challenge them to write and we will see how they do, in another mambo as Don Quixote says: «They bark because we are advancing Sancho »(I am not very sure if it is like that, but it goes there).

    Por otro lado, de mi parte de doy un gracias por cada locura que realizas al arenoso de Gara tambien que desde mis inicios en el mundo del soft libre que van mas de 4 años desde mi migración siempre anduve viendo sus aportes, y es por ello que muchos se animas a generar contenido nuevo, aunque perdimos al yoyo del 8 y es una lástima, pero que va sabemos que seguira siendo el mismo y ayudando no dejes que comentarios absurdos y tontos sin contenido arruinen tu dia a dia en el pinguino, a seguir adelante y mantener arriba desdelinux.

    Regards,
    Snifer

    1.    elav said

      The problem is not issuing a contrary criterion, criticism or suggestion, the problem is with the way they do it.

      1.    Snifer said

        But if the person who throws the stone, does not know how to say it or throws garbage without rhyme or reason, we come to the same, at that point I go 😉

        Regards,
        Snifer

  4.   Yoyo said

    What can I say that I haven't already said ...

    1.    fzafriend said

      Hello, I am a user, windows for work and linux for pleasure for 5 years I think, I am not an expert in the field nor do I have degrees or studies to boast 😉 I am just a simple user, lately I have been visiting your page like others and I like it Your style does not always have to be notes of great importance that occur in the computer world, sometimes they entertain the notes that I would call leisure information, if it is how I see your website and I like it, the detail as I already know That said, the world is full of flavors and colors, you are not obliged to read our minds and post notes that we like and we are not obliged to read and believe everything they tell us here and on many more websites, that's what google is for confirm the note and to look for the topic of interest that one likes, unfortunately there are the steps of pride where one knows more than the other etc ... ... and it will be a never ending story, as much as you fight to educate readers to moderate your vocavu Lario both they will emberrincharan (they will have tantrums) to do what they want to feel intelligent (and sometimes they end up proving the opposite), I like your blog and the way its editors express themselves, do not be bensed against the current, you build your own path and if readers like that path, they will simply take it, if not, because there are many more paths that lead to linux, «» all paths lead to freedom ... linux;) »»
      do not let the road wear out and move on.

      Wars come and go but my lyrics are eternal.
      War only proves one thing: that human beings are still inhuman.
      In a war more will always be lost than will be made.
      UMILTY GENTLEMEN …… HUMILITY

      greetings and hugs from me to you 😉

  5.   Alberto Aru said

    But if it is very easy: WE DON'T HAVE TO PLEASE EVERYONE !! And asshole is everywhere and look, if there are those who say they are not going to read the blog anymore, better for both of them: they don't read what they don't want to read and you don't read their garbage comments.

  6.   Alexander Mayor said

    People who don't blog have no idea how hard it is. And when you see comments that do not contribute more than insults or simply try to hurt ... It is very disappointing, because the writer has spent a while thinking and writing the article.

    Ultimately, it is best to ignore the trolls and problem solved.

    Greetings.

  7.   peterczech said

    Very well said Elav and I fully agree 😀

  8.   Xana said

    As for the article, I quite agree, but I think that Yoyo's topic cannot be used as an example.

    For the simple reason that he was the one who insulted the community in his article. For that reason, it should not surprise anyone that many were offended and responded to him in the same terms.

    After that, he himself repented and apologized, (which honors him), and from now on, if someone recriminates him, it will be because he is an idiot. Well, we can all make mistakes and "warm up" at any given moment, but very few have the greatness to admit it and ask for forgiveness.

    Finally, point out that the best recipe against inconvenient comments is to point out to the author its inconvenience, and ask him to reflect. But never censor them, I am radically against any kind of censorship.

    If the author persists in his attitude, it is best to ignore him and not go to the rag. It's not easy to do that, for the record. Well, there are people "especially" gifted to be troll and get any of their boxes. But I believe that it is necessary to act like this to safeguard freedom of expression.

    No one should be prevented from proving to be an idiot in the use of their freedom. Because that is what always happens at the end, that they themselves portray themselves, and demonstrate their condition.

  9.   Leo said

    I agree
    Unfortunately many users (where I stand out) are ungrateful. Never a grace or well done to those developers who give their best to create and maintain the programs that we often strongly defend, nor to those editors who put their effort to create such good articles (although we are not interested in the subject, we are not stop being good). And it's so easy to criticize when we don't like something ... And the funny thing is that we shout it from the rooftops but we never bother to send an email to the developer / s to give our humble opinion.
    Sure not all of them are like that, but I think that if we are a little more grateful it would be a great incentive for all those who really collaborate.

    Thanks for making us reason.

  10.   uzi200 said

    I don't know, but I enjoy every article on this blog. Trolls come and go.

    1.    nocturnal said

      I also enjoy each article. The subject is:

      - If you do not allow comments, it seems that it is a personalistic site.

      - If they allow them like now, they run the risk that because of four rude (multinicks included) the quality of the site will drop, due to their outbursts.

      - If they moderate them, they complain of lack of freedom. Fear gives me a world without freedom, but more fear gives me a world in which everything counts.

      Those of us who have been around for a long time already have a detector, this type of article most trolls will love because of the prominence achieved, the bad thing about it is if we think about the readers who come to this type of website for the first time and read the whole set , the image that they take away.

      1.    diazepam said

        + 10 ^ 10

      2.    Joaquin said

        I don't remember how long I've been following this blog, but I feel that in recent months there have been many comments that seek to generate flames. It's a shame because when one begins to read these comments and sees that a fairly long thread forms in the discussion, at least I lose interest in continuing to read the comments and close the article.

        The problem is that among so many trolls and flame generators comments, it may be that there are some very good ones among all that garbage, but from what I mentioned in the previous paragraph, the lack of interest makes us miss the good things.

        Those of us who follow the blog already know a little about the posts and opinions of each one, but new people who have just read the blog can get a bad impression, as you said, if they come across these articles.

  11.   rawBasic said

    Respect above all ..

    I think the main thing you should know is that just like me, I started with Linux less than 2 years ago; I am on par with this blog, and helping with what I can from that first day that I decided to try. And I'm still here, and not just me ... we are many more and more every day. So something is being done right.

    But you have to know that the more we are, the more difficult, if not impossible, it is to satisfy the taste of each and every one. Let's understand this, and everyone is going to enjoy those of their interest and let others enjoy those that one is not interested in.

  12.   dbillyx said

    It happens so often on different blogs…. "Demanding quality articles as if they were paying for it" this phrase reminds me of what happens on the virtual exchanges page…. the moment the author takes the time to rip upload and share a movie with a size of approximately 40 gigabytes when they are blueray ... the list of comments comes up immediately ... but no one leaves thanking ... no one says thank you for taking the time ... Nobody says I'll click on the ads so you can earn a few pennies for your effort… everyone comes out demanding the Spanish version, the dvdrip version, the dbrip version, the Latin Spanish version… demanding until the dubbing is Argentine…

    When they began to share in the same downloads the folder with extra videos of the movies… quick comments demanding that they put it in a separate download or in torrent….

    In the end, the publishers took the trouble to share the extras separately ... no one thanked them ...

    Ah… !!!! Let's not forget that they even require that they be on certain download servers ...

    ....

  13.   trisquellinux said

    El blog desde linux siempre me ha sacado de apuros, pero se debe admitir que tu amigo yoyo sí tiene un temperamento y peor aún una falta de no practicar lo que intenta predicar, se les valora el esfuerzo que hacen; en la mayoría de los post se nota la investigación, pero hay otros que se hacen sinceramente por salir del paso, ¿No debo exigir calidad?, pues uno generalmente exige más calidad a la gente buena para que mejoren, asi no pague uno por eso, pero si quieren que todos los comentarios sean felices sólo por el hecho de no pagar no es la cuestión, te pongo un ejemplo en el blog de yoyo una vez publiqué que debería referirse a Gnu/Linux y no sólo a linux porque como debes saber muchos de los colaboradores pide que sea así, y cuál fue su respuesta hacer un post con mi comentario, es algo inmaduro en realidad esa actitud, no soy extremista como me pintó en ese post, incluso escribo de un windows sólo que hay que saber reconocer la calidad y el esfuerzo, a mí me parece increíble que ustedes administren este servidor con las dificultades que podría tener por su lugar de nacimiento, pero si uno como usuario se toma el tiempo de leer un post lo mínimo que espero de ustedes también es que si no están de acuerdo con un post también contesten en forma respetuosa, lo digo porque en una ocasión me contestaron un poco fuerte y mi comentario fue respetuoso.

    1.    Staff said

      I fully agree, you have to avoid double standards, if you ask for respect you have to start with yourself, offering a "quality" product is also a form of respect, I have had to read (and quite possibly write) things that offend the reader intelligence.
      I understand that many blogs are personal projects but since they are mass media they carry a certain inherent responsibility and it is taken for granted that it seeks to be a professional job, even if it does not receive money directly from the readers, (since it does indirectly, by the advertising).

      1.    eliotime3000 said

        Also, there are times when it is a tarball pain to keep the system afloat free of crashes and DDoS.

        If this blog were hosted on Cuban servers such as GUTL, the story would have been different, and that, furthermore, this work of teaching many novice users to enter the universe of GNU / Linux would have been wasted.

        As far as I am concerned, I have my personal blog and I do not balk at saying that it is an arduous task to search for content in which it has not been published in other technological blogs and / or to make posts in which points are criticized of view that assertively emphasizes some mistakes that the original author has made.

        DesdeLinux es de naturaleza abierta. No obstante, se tiene la certeza de tener una sarta de sanguijuelas que andan cometiendo este tipo de vandalismos, por lo que hasta ahora son blandos con este tipo de personas reincidentes, y muchos temen por ver a que todos los comentarios (incluyendo a los admins) pasen por moderación previa como es el caso del blog ANMTVLA.

  14.   babel said

    Agree. A good speaker does not need to offend, so if you disagree or think what you are reading is rubbish, argue why you believe that and in that way we are all enriched by your knowledge.

  15.   juanuni said

    Perhaps this is one of the consequences of anonymity on the internet ... perhaps an evaluation (by the moderators) should be implemented to the comments before they appear in public ...

    1.    babel said

      I believe rather it is a consequence of the ignorance, lack of culture of respect and narcissism of some. Anonymity is a factor, but I don't think it's just because of that.

      1.    juanuni said

        That is implicit ...

  16.   ianpocks said

    Lately I read some very reasonable posts. And I agree with you 100%.

  17.   Edge said

    They are absolutely right, generally users are ungrateful ... In particular I am fascinated with this blog and the articles they publish, I just started using Linux and thanks to you I have been able to enrich myself with the knowledge that you transmit to us. In horabuena and well you give what you have inside!

  18.   XBD know how to learn said

    Here in Mexico there is a saying well said. "If dogs bark, it is because they are on the right track."
    In this case it would be: "If the trolls bark, it is because they are on the right track."
    I would also apply here the level of social psychology applied in computing in social networks, not there any of that on the web, I should make an article like that XD.
    Well, not everyone is going to like their work, I like it a lot, that of giving thanks, because I do, especially in videos or movies, because people took their time and dedication to upload the video .
    The donations, I came later, I feel that they should put publicity, if I have read your article to the non-publicity, but some see it badly in the world of Linux, others see it good, I see it well, because it is a way to thank them, whenever I download the new version of Linuxmint, or some not very well known programs, I always click on their advertising, it is a way to thank them for dedicating their time and effort to the programmer is a way for them to keep going, for Whether they want to accept it or not, this is time ... and time is money.

    If I know that many will tell me that some do it, others hobby to help people, but see it like this, it takes time to learn, code, make images, have good spelling, put statistics and the occasional video, many will say if it is very easy and it is done quickly, if they are right, but if you add all that, well, an article is made in 2 or 3 hours, without taking into account the information collected, because today is enough, now the organization from other bloggers, manage, social networks, forums, video channels, now as you can see, if it takes time ...

  19.   XBD know how to learn said

    Now look at it like this if 100 people read your article, and had 98 likes, 98 people shared your article and only 2 saying:
    1.- How bad are you writing?
    2.- What a bad article.
    They only notice and get self-conscious only because of 2 bad comments ...
    Do not exaggerate -.- ´
    PS: Worry if it was the other way around 98 trolls (An entire army) and only 2 likes.

    1.    lord saeron said

      The problem is the same as always, people who have not done something in their life criticizing it. There always has been and always will be. It is not something that you can solve, just do not answer their messages as I have already seen you have done in a previous post, answering people who do not value the least your effort is like a discussion between an atheist and a religious person, it cannot end well , neither of us will give reason.

  20.   Felipe said

    Regardless of whether the blog is non-profit, when you take the time to read an article, you look for quality ... hence some complain and others simply shut up, that is everyone's business and on the internet it is the same. jurisdiction of the moderator to say if he crossed the line or not.
    In my opinion there are articles that greatly reduce the level of quality:
    -) Issued from the subjective point of view of the author with his favoritism to X software.
    -) Created by very novice users.
    -) Others who use free software to promote leftist ideologies and dictatorships.

  21.   okhg said

    It is true that there are badly grateful but it would not be better to remove the comments

  22.   holds said

    Desdelinux es uno de los mejores blogs que tratan sobre GNU/Linux. Por la calidad de sus artículos, que reflejan la seriedad con que los redactores de los mismos toman su tarea, por la educación y respeto con que los participantes somos tratados.
    I am not a good writer of articles or posts although since the 90s I have been in this free software business, in fact, I do not write them. But in so many years, seeing the behavior of those who comment, I simply came to a conclusion:
    There are good people and bad people, as in any other activity in human existence.
    If you are walking along the sidewalk of your street and you see that someone has relieved themselves in it, it is best not to stop to touch the excrement or kick it or anything like that because if you do that you get what the ill-mannered and disrespectful individual wants: that you get covered in their filth.
    Well .... I agree with the content of your article 100%.

  23.   David said

    You do a good job, and I at least learn a lot, apart from always being aware of everything that happens in the Linux world,

    Do not scratch yourselves, you do not know that in this world there is a lot of master nit, who knows everything and understands nothing.

    Keep going,

    A greeting.

  24.   spiderbbc said

    I consider myself one of the people who do not comment much but if I read many of your articles…. and this one in particular I enjoyed it since I see how people sometimes offend editors that if by spelling mistake ... eye that anyone has it, anyway my greetings and my support for this blog that I always enjoy

  25.   Elm Axayacatl said

    I will never understand why there are readers who only live to complain but it is something natural in the middle. Personally, I usually comment on articles that contribute something to me, those that I have experience or those that are interesting to me. I can't say that all the articles are to my liking but when I don't have to say anything good, I better say nothing and walk by. It has not been long that I review this blog and they do a very good job, but I think they should not hook with those users who do not understand that not each and every one of the entries should be perfect. My recommendation is that you focus on user comments that are here to support, of which you can see that they also abound. A greeting.

    1.    rawBasic said

      +1, I agree with each of the lines of your comment ..

  26.   Staff said

    Regarding the questions ...

    1. It is not necessary to know, the context in which the article is written is irrelevant, especially since the publication process goes through an editor.

    2. The time invested is not relevant either, that is the editor's problem, BUT, even if it is a copy & paste that does not take more than 3 seconds, the forms must be saved and the free offense is out of place, and avoiding it must be a check bidirectional, because there are also rectors who insult within the same article and in the comments.

    3. Of course not, in the same way that users are not obliged to write what the editor wants.

    4. Of course that if, as I said in point 1, they go through a filter, an editing process, or whatever, which is done (I think) by the administrators of the site, therefore the publication of any item is your responsibility.

    5. Same as 1,2 and 3.

    What I'm going for is that you have to take responsibility and put your sensibilities aside.
    The bread and butter of blogs is to come across an article full of lies, or prejudices and subjective ideas, and when they are allowed to see the editor, there are no apologies, corrections, much less the article is eliminated so that it does not continue to contaminate, those Articles are the responsibility of the page, which admits that they are published. The same happens with newspapers, it does not matter that in each news they add a: "the editor's comments are his responsibility and do not reflect the line of thought of the company."
    When the complaint arrives, a public apology is offered accompanied by a clarification.
    With that covered the offenses that arrive without a substantive reason, or a clarification of why the article is wrong, they should not bother and if they do not want to miss it, you can simply recommend the commentator to say the same without insulting.

  27.   guidoignatius said

    Everything you said Elav you are right, no one can deny it, but I think it was more than to put Yoyo and his unfortunate post as an example (which is no longer I think, since it seems that he deleted it).

    He more than anyone was ungrateful to the entire community, ranting it and speaking terrible things (at the height of the examples you gave yourself in this post), so if you wanted to do it I think it was not publicly and if so, hold on to it. consequences, which he did not.

    As I mentioned to him, his blog was tending to be lacking in ideas and that is why I had taken it out of my RSS some time ago, and then when I clicked I saw his famous "post."

    I see that the creation of this post is related to https://blog.desdelinux.net/forks-entorno-escritorio/ , which for me is more for the forum than to make a blog post… .because it only leaves the idea open for debate… ..and if that's the idea, to put up with the comments….

    All those who have blogs and / or provide a service (whether paid or not) are happy when they speak badly and little about it, because that means they are doing what they do well. Otherwise if they speak badly and they will know a lot what to improve ……
    And expecting that every day they receive congratulations is stupid, that never happens when rendering services, you guys should know ... and the GNU / Linux community NOR ANYONE is the exception….

  28.   dario said

    By now they should be very clear that it is a troll and that there are always immature people who should not pay attention to it.

    So don't pay too much care to my comment, you will end up understanding it 🙂

  29.   James_Che said

    "I think the author is wrong" hahaha lies Elav totally agree, respect is the basis for a healthy coexistence in many aspects. Also, useless comments cause really important comments to be lost.

  30.   Sausl said

    basically there are two points
    one is in which the majority do not read and therefore lack of reading comprehension
    and second, he tries to impose his opinion on the others, disqualifying the other opinions

  31.   mmm said

    And this on account of what ???? This article is nothing more than pure onanism !!! Ha! it's a joke :-P.
    Of course, respect is essential to be able to engage in a productive dialogue.
    Just as I also believe that being able to take the opinion of others about our work makes us more awake to the different opinion, as you say. Well, respect for a different opinion is generally very good "in abstract", until it is different 🙂 You have to practice what you say, let's say. We agree to put it into practice and not to use it as "pomp and circumstance."
    And it is that well, as The Beast would say, quoting someone I don't remember, "a lie that is half true is the most horrendous of lies."

  32.   brutal said

    I think what you say is very very good. But putting yoyo as an example is a mistake. I tell you why he himself does not appreciate many contributions, in fact I have seen him laugh at twiter, google + of large free projects. Cursing a distro for not having an installer like archlinux. Contempt distros because he likes it or because of his little knowledge. I don't have a blog, but if I did I would make it a bit serious like this blog, but his blog was hilarious.

  33.   eliotime3000 said

    I agree with what you have stated, @elav. However, the problem is that, although visitor traffic increases, it must also be considered that the percentage of detractors and vandals will also increase, which will damage any good site yes or yes.

    I have no problems with people who come to make a good joke, but if they start throwing subjectivities and / or throwing the first nonsense that comes to mind or starts throwing expletives and / or fallacies / demagogies, it The first thing I would do is to quarantine that comment. That simple

  34.   Cristianhcd said

    I feel disappointed, I will leave this blog and will never return ...
    lie 😀

  35.   fzafriend said

    a question, does anyone know why my comment was deleted?
    I do not remember that I had said any offense to someone, on the contrary I congratulated the page 🙁

    1.    fzafriend said

      mmmm, I just finished the message and it already appeared,
      For the record, I had already updated the page 3 times and nothing, and now that I ask about such a situation it appears again; P
      the web doesn't love me

  36.   martin said

    Formerly, to find out about the world of software, you had to wait for the monthly or quicenal magazine to arrive at your kiosk, pay for it, and thus find out about some technology, software and even some magazines specialized in Linux.
    Now they have it available at the disposal of a click, fast, beautiful, free, share and the possibility of giving their opinion and expressing themselves in the comments.
    Despite all the conveniences we have now, people keep complaining. who understand them?

    1.    guidoignatius said

      In the past there was no electricity either, but if today they cut it off or give you bad service, wouldn't you complain?
      Whenever the complaint / criticism is given with height it must be done, not doing so prevents us from moving forward

  37.   QWERTY said

    This post does not contribute, I will remove them from my rss.
    I am very disappointed in the content they post on this site.
    😀

  38.   mr linux said

    Elav, excellent clear and precise article, if Linux is making itself known, it is thanks to you that they teach the novice and the expert the potential of this great operating system and many people do not value this effort, sometimes turning their comments into offenses without reason. As for Yoyo, I read your article quite offensive to such an extent that in your next article you had to apologize.

  39.   mat1986 said

    On the subject in question, trolls are everywhere, on all sites and blogs. Here I have also had to see some - few, but there are. What I'm going to do, if you don't like the articles you read, the door is very wide. I recognize that from what I have read on this blog there are many interesting things (thanks to you. I have personalized my terminal: D), that is why I have encouraged myself to follow and comment. Keep up that spirit and quality, you do it very well 🙂

  40.   patodx said

    Good words Elav, however, it is very difficult for everyone to have a respectful opinion. Remember that many people are brave behind the keyboard.

    Rather, and as they say here in Chile ... «What to go fishing for weetas ...»

    I think that some people like to create a controversy with their opinion and enjoy it. Therefore, according to my Chileanism previously exposed, disrespectful opinions should not be taken into account, with which they will get bored by themselves.
    regards

    bye.

    1.    franz said

      The difference between dialogue and debate. It is that when you dialogue you understand and make understood, exposing an idea. When you debate you emit a preconceived prejudice, without accepting criticism you impose an idea or opinion. Slds

  41.   Rick said

    Primera vez que comento en el blog, pero siempre leo los artículos que aquí se publican y comparten, me parece muy bien que lo que se pide RESPETO siempre leo los comentarios y no me parece que demostrar la inconformidad de un articulo se haga de esa forma. A pesar de todo hay que saber como decir las cosas por mi parte me parece que este es un muy buen lugar donde aprendo cada día algo nuevo de linux sigan así muchachos. Saludos a todo el equipo de DesdeLinux

  42.   Hector said

    Well, I want to apologize to you, because I am one of the people who read and learn, bookmark your pages… BUT, you forget to give thanks; So even if it takes a while, thank you very much for taking the time to do research, to be looking for new topics, to do tutorials. THANKS

    Not all my ideas are correct, if they were, it would be useless to share them or enter into debate (anonymous)

  43.   @lindignadux said

    Thank you very much for bringing us back to reality.
    Nothing justifies the lack of respect or contempt for the work of others that is offered for free.
    In my case, a simple Linux user who barely knows how to search for a solution in Google to everyday problems and who, due to laziness of writing, limits himself to making copy paste, I have to say that I am fascinated by even the most basic article that is written about it. theme.
    I simply wanted to convey my gratitude for the effort and work that all the collaborators of websites and blogs do and of course, those who contribute ideas and solutions in the comments of those websites and blogs, which in a more or less altruistic way (some do as a hobby and others as part of their work) you bring us this world and help us to overcome those "steps" with which we find ourselves.

  44.   Thomas Sandoval said

    I think you are quite right. I have tried to run a blog and it is very difficult to keep up, you simply go through what you call life and sometimes I wonder how you do to carry out this work, even more so thinking of a capitalist society where everything is money. I do not usually comment much, but I always leave all blogs (especially those that do not generate traffic in the comments, but are still at the bottom of the canyon) with deep admiration. I say goodbye, one of those silent but grateful users. Greetings.

    PS And it is true, not all entries interest me, but if so, I won't stop to criticize, because the authors may be addressing others who are not me; and long ago I understood that the world does not revolve around me.

  45.   Ivan said

    Hello to everyone s
    Totally agree on everything. I think the internet has created a being / being that moves between the rude and the impertinent that I call the "cyber coward."
    I say this because I think that when someone works altruistically, when they are only motivated by the desire to help, to share knowledge, to be useful, comfortably in their little house, the cyber coward attacks for the pleasure of trying to destroy those who cannot profit, more due to a lack of understanding and insane envy than to any kind of logic.
    Unfortunately this is nothing more than a reflection of a selfish and rude society. Those who live in a relatively large population know how individuals spend them at the wheel, the inexistent cause / effect relationship of pedestrian crossings, the saving of saliva when greeting a neighbor and that is to the face, with what will they not do being alone ?. Well, attack in a cowardly and miserable way those who do a great job. Thus they create controversy, their foolish words are read and analyzed, and in the worst case they make a dent.
    I have been going to blogs for a short time and I have discovered in them a source from which to drink knowledge, a center to go to asking for help and to offer it when it is possible, in blogs you are inspired, not only by the knowledge you acquire , if not for the human quality of all those who collaborate in it. I don't want to get the idea that they are also the haven of the cyber coward.
    From here thanks to everyone and forgive for the roll that I have put you. Have a very good day.

  46.   let's use linux said

    I fully agree with this article, Elav.
    Those who have participated in the blog and received offensive and inappropriate comments know what it feels like.
    As for me, when I see an offensive comment, I delete it ... even if I later include a contribution. When it comes to moderating, you don't just have to see what a comment says but how it says it.
    A hug! Paul.

  47.   adeplus said

    Thanks for the article. I read better than I write, but there it goes.

    You should be satisfied. All ecosystems have predators. Your page grows and is influential. I would not worry much because you will not be able to drive them away whatever you do. Their interventions are usually quite predictable: they usually start by pointing out the (apparent) contradictions of the author, write what he writes, taking advantage of any loopholes. Then often come the "documented" attacks. It can be combined with great fuss like "surprise", "disappointment", and the like, which drags many unwary. The "I told you, friend" usually works too ...

    Deep down, they are very necessary, so cut out, so direct, so obvious… In my opinion, their motivation is that you don't have it. Perhaps his interventions influence other readers but, as that one said, we already have hair on our legs 🙂

  48.   and now said

    How sad that you have to get to a post like this.

    I hope that common sense takes over and that people read aloud before hitting the publish button. In any case, I have always thought that statistically we are always going to meet the typical problematic character.

    Perhaps if the rest of us who read without participating, spoke more, those comments would cope better or even not occur. I don't know, but you certainly have my full support and understanding.

  49.   ArthurShelby said

    Greetings Elav, a long time ago I read an article about SEO and SEM and one point that caught my attention was the administration of the comments, since it was said that if an article was good or bad, all its objective would go down the drain if the comments they were just attacks and insults. I know that you are very tolerant when it comes to comments, but I would advise you to set standards for comments and eliminate those who do not comply with the standards… there is nothing wrong.

  50.   edebianite said

    Bah, what nonsense Elav writes…. I'm leaving this blog and I will never return….
    LOL….
    Great blog ... here you learn more than computing ... Thank you all!

  51.   Erick said

    I fully agree with your assessment of respect. The Linux-Community is based from its origins on cooperation and therefore disqualify each other through the work that everyone does is not good for me. The flaws that an article may have should be pointed out in an edifying spirit.

  52.   electromagnet said

    Considering, the type of comments that are criticized in the article; We are entering into a moral rather than linguistic problem. Commenting as you think, which best expresses your idea, is part of freedom of expression. The search for mutual respect is clouded by the difference between believing that knowledge and education are the same. I don't always comment, but I read this blog like so many others, I learn and enjoy the discussions. In many cases I do not share the opinions, but I start to reason them, because perhaps I will learn something. Say that something is rubbish or that it has no quality; It is also a constructive criticism, whether it is offensive or not depends on the receiver; of its interpretation. If a new reader sees that comment and accepts what it says without doing their own analysis of the article, it shows a lot of lack of judgment. The important thing is the article, not so much the comment. Being wise listens to both the intelligent and the idiot because he learns from both.

  53.   Warheart said

    This article is a sh ... I mean, no LOL, but it seems like a tantrum, nothing more.

    I was one of those who harshly criticized the ENI article, and I am sure I did it politely and with grounds, yes, I used a high-sounding word but in the context of my message it does not offend anyone personally and if someone is bothered by the language coarse, well, WELCOME TO THE INTERNET, we are all adults here (It is a relatively technical site about an OS of minority use among the general public, let's not expect visits from children here) so more than once in their life they have heard that kind of language and more than one of them will speak like this normally among their friends, being scandalized by that is ridiculous.

    Es cierto, los visitantes no estamos obligados a leerlos, ¿Porque mejor no DAN LAS GRACIAS DE QUE HAY PERSONAS QUE SE TOMAN EL TIEMPO DE VISITAR SU SITIO Y LEER LOS ARTICULOS? Si alguien publica un articulo, se supone, digo, SE SUPONE, que dicho articulo debe tener algun contenido de calidad y no ser engañoso, ese es EL MINIMO RESPETO QUE SE LE DEBE AL LECTOR, si yo me queje, y tantos otros lo hicieron, fue porque ustedes fallaron en dar un click y visitar el sitio de ENI para revisar, ¿Era eso tan dificil? un click señores, UN MISERABLE CLICK, ¿Ese es el nivel de respeto de los redactores de DesdeLinux hacia los lectores? UN CLICK.

    Si escribes un articulo, bueno o no, siempre habra alguien que te insulte, si realizas algo con algun nivel de proyeccion social, siempre habra alguien que te insulte, si caminas por la calle, alguna vez encontraras alguien que te insulte, llorar por eso es ridiculo, y mas ridiculo es quejarse de los insultos por un articulo de muy pobre calidad, cuando fue DESDELINUX QUIEN LE FALTO EL RESPETO A LOS LECTORES.

    This is what I think is not clear to the editors of this site, first THANK THEY HAVE READERS, second, WATCH THE CONTENT OF THE ARTICLES. People who insult there will always be, so third, A LITTLE MATURITY.

    And since I already have the previous experience, any response that I get to this message I am sure will be paragraphs taken out of context.

    1.    elav said

      Es cierto, los visitantes no estamos obligados a leerlos, ¿Porque mejor no DAN LAS GRACIAS DE QUE HAY PERSONAS QUE SE TOMAN EL TIEMPO DE VISITAR SU SITIO Y LEER LOS ARTICULOS? Si alguien publica un articulo, se supone, digo, SE SUPONE, que dicho articulo debe tener algun contenido de calidad y no ser engañoso, ese es EL MINIMO RESPETO QUE SE LE DEBE AL LECTOR, si yo me queje, y tantos otros lo hicieron, fue porque ustedes fallaron en dar un click y visitar el sitio de ENI para revisar, ¿Era eso tan dificil? un click señores, UN MISERABLE CLICK, ¿Ese es el nivel de respeto de los redactores de DesdeLinux hacia los lectores? UN CLICK.

      It is logical that you cannot understand what it costs sometimes to click in my country. When you are under a proxy that restricts everything, or when you have to open a page at a speed of 2Kb / s, then we talk about it. Of course, we appreciate the comments, that you read us, and even the criticisms and suggestions, as long as they are made with respect and objectivity.

      Si escribes un articulo, bueno o no, siempre habra alguien que te insulte, si realizas algo con algun nivel de proyeccion social, siempre habra alguien que te insulte, si caminas por la calle, alguna vez encontraras alguien que te insulte, llorar por eso es ridiculo, y mas ridiculo es quejarse de los insultos por un articulo de muy pobre calidad, cuando fue DESDELINUX QUIEN LE FALTO EL RESPETO A LOS LECTORES.

      Y ese es mi punto ¿Por qué diablos hay que insultar? Ni que fuésemos MONOS dentro de una jaula y todo lo tenemos que resolver con gritos. Ahora dime ¿En que momento DesdeLinux le faltó el respeto a sus lectores? ¿DesdeLinux es una sola persona? ¿DesdeLinux es un solo artículo?

      This is what I think is not clear to the editors of this site, first THANK THEY HAVE READERS, second, WATCH THE CONTENT OF THE ARTICLES. People who insult there will always be, so third, A LITTLE MATURITY. And since I already have the previous experience, any response that I get to this message I am sure will be paragraphs taken out of context.

      Se nota que eres nuevo en este sitio, se nota que solo tienes 9 comentarios. Para entender a DesdeLinux deberías entender nuestra historia. DesdeLinux desde que empezó si algo tuvo para destacarse, era en la buena comunicación Redactor/Lector, lo que pasa que en sus inicios, no sé, los comentarios eran diferentes, las personas eran diferentes.

      Por ejemplo tu comentario no está del todo mal, no ofendes a nadie directamente, sin embargo, se nota un mensaje implícito donde NOSOTROS tenemos la culpa, donde NOSOTROS somos los malos y tu eres el OFENDIDO, donde somos NOSOTROS lo que tenemos que disculparnos por no escribir lo que tu quieres leer. Solo te digo algo, lee por favor de nuevo mi comentario, o mi artículo, si eres de los que juzga a todo lo que ha sido DesdeLinux por un artículo o un error, créeme que entonces de mi parte si no obtendrás ningún otro comentario, esté fuera o no de contexto.

      1.    mmm said

        Elav, I agree, as I said before with your article, in general lines. But that you have put the comment as an example of the Forks ... it seems out of place to me (I hope you don't mind if I say this). Saying that something does not work is not disrespect, simply an opinion different from yours. And at no time did I insult or anything like that, and that's why putting together the insult, "I'm going to leave this page", and all that, with the dilemma of the (supposed) irrespect of my comment seems out of place. Seriously, it looks more like opportunism.
        More when I made it clear and clear that I was not insulting anyone ... and then in fact I noticed and there are more comments between you (elav) and "eliotime3000", than sayings of mine or of another reader.
        But hey, the issue of asking for attention regarding the work that you do and the respect that it deserves is fine.
        regards

        1.    elav said

          @hmm:

          I don't bother about anything, but it seems that you took things for yourself that had nothing to do with you, I mean at least: "I'm going to leave this page" ...

          Anyway, nothing happens, I swear I have nothing personal against you and much less with the rest of the users. If in any way I offended you or disrespected you, I sincerely apologize.

        2.    CANNON said

          I am 800% in agreement with you.

          1.    CANNON said

            Agree with "mmm" to make it clear

    2.    AndrDan said

      @warheart

      Excuse me, but your comment looks like the behavior of the fans of a soccer team. When the team plays well and they achieve their goals, everyone is happy, claps on the shoulder and smiles from ear to ear, they support them as much as they want, but it is enough that they make a mistake (even if it is involuntary), ONLY ONE mistake, and then they lash out and little more need to be lynched as if they had committed a crime. That sir is being INTOLERANT. Bloggers are people who can also make mistakes, and the quality of a blog should never, ever be judged by just one of its posts. You have to rummage through everything a blog does in many of its articles to assess its quality.

      And as already mentioned, even when mistakes are made, there are appropriate ways to report it and always with respect. To say that "being scandalized by an insult is ridiculous" is not so ridiculous, since it is about having education according to the context in which we are. You mention that among friends we can talk like this, it is true, but among friends there is trust and as part of the daily colloquial conversations we know when the phrases do not offend us no matter how much insult they carry; However, in a blog comment that is a simple paragraph in impersonal text and where that comment is directed to a person who does not know each other and with whom there is no trust, as between friends, the insult is an insult and nobody likes to be treated in such a way.

      Saying that "copywriters should thank their visitors for taking the time to read their posts" only shows your misconception of the concept of appreciation in a blog. The thanks should never go in a single direction - editor to visitor or visitor to editor -, the thanks must go both ways, both the editor must be grateful that someone reads their article and that visitor must be grateful that someone dedicated their time to write it. If you had, for example, a problem on your PC and you don't know what to do to fix the accident, you go to the internet (forums and blogs) and look for solutions, when you find an article reporting the same problem you have and its solution, you read it and It may also help you to fix your mishap, in that case ... Would you say that the person who created that publication has to thank you for having read the guide that helped you solve YOUR problem? That is why respect and gratitude must be mutual between the visitor and the editor.

      Greetings.

      1.    elav said

        I can only say: Excellent comment. Thank you

  54.   Francisca said

    Hello people, it is very good that you have expressed your anger, I do not expect great results, perhaps it will give some minimal result, it is what I fervently wish; However, I would dare to suggest that what you suffer from is very generalized everywhere and that I would describe it as psychiatric bulling (irremediable),
    I am new to this, despite belonging to the third age, I appreciate that this blog exists, although I understand little of the information, but I understand the importance of SL and I am glad that you take it seriously, since the geeks they are not very collaborative, although they tout collaboration
    I wish I did not charge the minimum and could collaborate
    Do not be discouraged, heads are getting worse, but just go ahead and think that the one who insults or cannot write, may be an exceptional hacker, if Beethoven was deaf ,,,, …… ..

    1.    elav said

      Hello Francisca, first of all thank you very much for stopping by and commenting.

      It does not matter that you are seniors (something you should be more than proud of), I know many people contemporary with you who use Linux, it all depends on the desire you have to learn. Don't worry about the collaboration issue either, sometimes a good comment is better than a full article.

      Thanks again for stopping by.

  55.   Paul said

    Hello first of all, I am a linux user always grateful to blogs, which in many cases have saved my potatoes.
    In my case, I am always grateful that I read a useful article .. I have also collaborated, installing linux on countless machines, whether from friends, family, clients and as many people as interested, precisely one of the reasons why I do it is the community linux and the firm conviction that I help the world by doing this… ..

  56.   check them out said

    I think there are many users who do not know how to behave very well.

  57.   Jesus Ballesteros said

    Most people who respond like this are because they usually don't have the balls to say things up front. They are surely cowards when it comes to saying things to their faces and for that reason they take it out on the net. I don't like all the articles they write here but there are also some very good ones and for this reason I visit this site frequently even if I don't comment much. Greetings and cheers 🙂

  58.   kuk said

    totally agree respect comes first

  59.   PopArch said

    The worthy of the americas Benito Juarez said it once
    "Respect for the rights of others is peace"
    This is an excellent quality blog, why? Because not only does it talk about linux, PC's, Codes or things "geeks", it also deals with topics of social interest, topics that generate opinions, and for my good see most of the topics of this nature that are discussed here go accompanied by objectivity, that is, they are objective points of view of the author, and this seems to me to be the ideal, because I believe objectivity is inherent to them, what I mean by this is that if the articles They are thus ergo our comments must be at the same level, even if we differ in opinion, of course constructive and respectful criticism is also valid, but this does not mean that you can deliberately insult, so if you have nothing to say better not you say

  60.   Dalton said

    All my support From_Linux. I learn a lot with you and your work is appreciated. You already know the saying: "Today is a wonderful day ... You will see how someone comes and fucks him!" A greeting.

  61.   Lithos523 said

    I think this article is a mistake. Although I fully understand it and understand the reasons for publishing it, I think it is actually useless, because whoever can read it does not need it

    These outbursts and comments out of tune can be in my opinion for two reasons. A troll or a hoygan

    In the first case, let's not feed the troll!

    As for the Hoygans, they are people without any type of culture (neither digital nor traditional) who only see the PC screen as a servant at their service, and not as the way to reach a community that shares their tastes (¡¡ or not!) They neither bother nor will they bother to inform and train. They just want to read what they like and have everything done, that's what the pc is for

    I've been following this blog for a long time and I like it a lot, but we have to assume that as I grow older, some articles will be worse and others better. I don't think that's a problem, the one I like I'll read it and the one that doesn't… no.

    But in addition, the audience also grows, and some readers will be better (and contribute their knowledge) and others will be ... subjects to ignore.

    I think that what we should be concerned about is helping those who want to learn and be part of the community, even if we have to tell them something for the umpteenth time and ignore who neither contributes nor wants to do it.

    And one last thing, I also think that from time to time we should thank the editors for their work, be it better or worse, because it is an effort they make for us without expecting any compensation. So CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF YOU WHO MAKE THIS POSSIBLE

  62.   alexsg said

    As the saying goes: "On a gifted horse, you don't look at his tusk." I'm really tired of all those shitty people who don't value the contributions that others make. If you do not like the publications on this blog so much, you are free to go to another, indeed, create your own, be aware of it all the time, so that it is perfect, as you would like. In fact, do not worry about commenting, your comment, it is really not necessary and nobody cares.

    Chicos de DesdeLinux, pese a todos los errores que hayan podido cometer (puesto que somos humanos y podemos hacerlo, no somos perfectos), hacen un trabajo excelente, siempre los leo para guiarme de las ultimas tendencias del mundo GNU/Linux, antes lo hacía en Softonic, pero seguramente son pagados por MOCOSOFT porque ya ni siquiera publican las ultimas versiones de navegadores como Firefox, sino un mes después es que se acuerdan -¡verdad que tenemos una seccion «LINUX». Eso es deprimente. 🙁

    You, however, continue like this, there are still those who appreciate your wonderful work, and for people like you, it is that the Linux world has reached the level and recognition that it has been showing lately.

    A abrazo.

    1.    Erick said

      You have said well (As the saying goes): "On a gifted horse, you can't look at his tusk."

  63.   rizhu said

    Con respecto a la oferta de EDICIONES ENI, a mí me resulto provechoso, ya que estoy en México y comprar la edición impresa no sería fácil. Compré un libro electrónico, justamente sobre Linux y me hicieron un 20 % de descuento sobre el precio de la publicación electrónica, cosa que no hubiera sido posible de no haberlo visto aquí en desdelinux. Así que para mí fue un súper post.

  64.   Miguel said

    This problem that is cited in the article, goes much further than this blog. It is an evil that practically the entire Internet suffers. You can not discuss anything in a forum without someone entering to insult you and shit on your * - / * / * ··% $ at the minimum of change, already busting any attempt at respectful discussion.

    Then, the work of others is not valued either, immediately what they do not like is "shit", without going to value the time that their authors have dedicated to it.

    A pity the truth.

  65.   Vic said

    I congratulate you. Most say «respect so that they respect you» (= respect you first and if I feel like it I will pretend that I respect you because I am more than you), few say «I respect so that they respect me» (= I am the first that respect because I effort to be a good person and I expect the same from you). There will always be people without common sense, ignore them.

  66.   Miguel Angel said

    It is necessary to thank blogs like this, you have already said it: "there is no obligation to write" and I believe that you do not have the slightest obligation to read derogatory comments from someone who receives a disinterested gift; Why not moderate the comments? so that other fools do not give themselves courage. Around here we say: "beggar and with a stick."
    The good Yoyo could already be seen to leave his blog, he was very unmotivated and the last straw was the almost zero appreciation of the Linux community, too bad.

    Thank you very much for posting despite everything.

  67.   Sophocles said

    Whatever but make it interesting