Baby come back !! Goodbye Kubuntu, Hello Debian

Less than a week has lasted me Kubuntu on the work computer and is that the simple fact of being able to have KDE 4.10 does not obscure the stability and speed it had with Debian-KDE.

The problem started when for any reason I got an error message, the one that has the option of sending a report to the developers and calls itself Bring. I would go out for anything, finish watching a video and close Dragon player (for example), and BOOM !!! the little message .. and so with all the applications. The message can be removed, we will see how to do it in another post, but come on, when the river sounds ...

Suddenly the notifications disappeared from the panel and went to the upper left part of the screen. Some applications were not running .. anyway. So neither short nor lazy last night I turned to Debian Testing.

I will not blame Kubuntu o KDE, in the first instance because I don't know which of the two is to blame for these things happening. I blame myself for wearing a PPA about a version of Kubuntu which has proven to be stable on other computers, with its version of KDE figure.

But the reality is that I go home, where I feel better .. and my Desktop is looking like this for now .. For those who are interested, the Plasma theme that I am using is openSUSE and the background belongs to the wallpapers of elementary moon.

Moreover, KDE 4.10 proved to be in excellent shape. Although Debian I will have to wait a long time to be able to use it, the wait will be worth it, also, this version (the 4.8) does not misbehave ..


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  1.   Marco Lopez said

    It's great, personally, I like debian, I'm new to linux, and I don't know how to install KDE or other interfaces, but I repeat, Debian is great with KDE. Cheers

    1.    elav said

      Thank you. Well if you want to try this can help you: Debian Wheezy + KDE 4.8.x: Installation and customization..

      In that article I explain how to install a more or less minimal KDE .. but I would advise you to simply install the meta-package: kde-full 😀

      1.    Marco Lopez said

        For now I only have to install it in VBox, since the bios of my pc does not support ANY linux. So thanks for the tut, and to try it, by the way, the wallpaper link? greetings again 😀

        1.    elav said

          I got them from here..

    2.    truko22 said

      On the Debian website look for → "ISO CD images" select the example download medium → "Download Debian CD / DVD images via HTTP / FTP" select whether CD or DVD. Now the i386 or amd64 platform, within the available iso, select → "debian-6.0.6-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso"

  2.   saturbo said

    I just started with debain testing KDE, I come from PClinuxOS. I am happy, I have managed to make everything work quite easily, which has left me very satisfied. I've been using linux for a few years but I'm not an expert. I think I will stick with Debian for quite some time.
    My first comment! Greetings and congratulations for the blog, it is a pleasure to read it.

    1.    elav said

      Thanks for stopping by and commenting .. I'm glad you found in Debian personal satisfaction .. 🙂

    2.    KZKG ^ Gaara said

      Thanks for commenting 🙂
      Indeed, the stability of Debian Testing (added to some versions of current software) make it an excellent option, it is a pity that KDE is so far behind there 🙁

      And thanks for that last thing you say haha

  3.   KZKG ^ Gaara said

    I already knew that it was not going to last you 😀
    I'm just waiting to install PC-BSD… hehehe

    1.    elav said

      Hopefully it's worth it, but I'm telling you, with our current situation .. you'll be back to Debian in less than a month hahaha ..

      1.    KZKG ^ Gaara said

        We will see ... it is possible, yes, but we will see.
        For now I am motivated to learn about BSD systems ... ipfw, use something other than Bash (although I know I will miss it haha), etc etc ... I want to learn about BSD, it catches my attention 🙂

        1.    msx said

          www, archbsd.net
          FreeBSD with a userspace according to the time we live in 😉

          1.    Damian rivera said

            PC-BSD is a great option, and I don't know what your situation is that they mention, but PC-BSD is very similar to how we install the programs in windows:

            .pbi => .exe

            The pbi bring everything (dependencies) and weigh more, they just install them and that's it.

            http://www.pbidir.com/

            They even install in a specific directory (I think it was / usr / Programs /)

            And as for bash, you're going to have to just use tcsh or sh or install bash.

            Still I use FreeBSD 😛

            regards

          2.    Hugo said

            Why don't you dare to try Debian GNU / kFreeBSD and report back to us how it goes? [smiles maliciously]

          3.    msx said

            For the part that says "Debian" ...

            (running to wash my hands!)

  4.   diazepam said

    You also have this repository to have a more recent version of kde (not 4.10 but 4.9.5)

    http://qt-kde.debian.net/debian/

    1.    elav said

      Unfortunately when I tried to use it I had too many dependency conflicts .. 🙁

  5.   Garbage_Killer said

    Baby come back !! Goodbye Kubuntu, Hello Debian >>> this happens to elav.

    Baby come back !! Goodbye Debian, Hello Fedora >>> this happens to me.

    1.    Bernard said

      Baby come back !! Goodbye Kubuntu, Hello Debian >>> this happens to elav.

      Baby come back !! Goodbye Debian, Hello Fedora >>> this happens to Garbage_Killer.

      Baby come back !! Goodbye Fedora, Hello Arch >>> this happens to me…. XD !!!

  6.   ayosinho said

    Very good article. I have installed Debian a couple of times, but I end up removing it, because I don't know how to connect to the internet via wi-fi. If someone tells me how to do it ...

    1.    elav said

      But the problem is that you don't know how to use Wi-Fi or that Debian won't connect?

      1.    ayosinho said

        That, I don't know how to use Wi-Fi, I don't know how to connect it, that's why I removed it, because it bothers me to be connected with the cable, greetings.

        1.    elav said

          Let's see. If the distribution (in this case Debian) already has the corresponding firmware installed with your Wi-Fi hardware, you just have to enable or disable it using NetworkManager or Wicd. As simple as that.

          1.    ayosinho said

            OK thanks. When I install Debian again, I will try NetworkManager. And one more thing, do you know when Debian 7 comes out?

            1.    elav said

              If all goes well (and hopefully so), by March ..


  7.   pandev92 said

    I really think that you will last a month or at most two and then you will try something else ..., well xd

    1.    elav said

      Well, no. In fact, before installing Kubuntu I had Debian installed with KDE for several months .. although well, you never know 😀

      1.    Windousian said

        Several months ... That's called sick fidelity.

    2.    artbgz said

      The truth is I think it will last longer, Debian has something that holds people back for longer, before I switched to Ubuntu again (to have a more recent Gnome shell), I lasted 8 months in Debian Testing, and I'm sure that I'll go back to Debian once that branch is unfrozen and they start updating the software versions again.

      1.    elav said

        I've always used Debian .. I always try other things and come back .. always 😀

        1.    Hugo said

          I was surprised that you have been praising Kubuntu for so long, but I didn't say anything because I was almost certain that it was a temporary glare and that sooner rather than later you would return home, hahaha.

  8.   Blaire pascal said

    Hmmmmm, I have tried Debian very little, at most in a virtual machine, but it doesn't really appeal to me. It is true that it has stability and low resource consumption, but it would feel a big hole when using apt-get instead of pacman as package manager. Besides being a super-frozen point release. The truth is that I will give it another chance, because I just had a very ugly Xfce desktop (obviously before customization) although maybe I can remember my old days with Ubuntu Xfce, with a plank below and a nice panel custom 26 px above and custom gradient made in GIMP. Ahhh, what times were those. In a way, I feel nostalgic for using an ultra-modern Archlinux with KDE, and having so abruptly dumped my beloved mouse that it gave me so much joy.
    Yes, it sounds ridiculous, but that happens.

  9.   caesasol said

    Where did you get the topic of plasma? I have not found it

    1.    elav said

      It was sent to me by a friend who uses openSUSE.. You can download it from this link.

      1.    caesasol said

        Ok thanks 😀

  10.   dhunter said

    Congratulations elav, good decision.

    Look around here you can see the bugs left to release wheezy.

    http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=wheezy&merged=ign&rc=1

    1.    elav said

      Some Bugs seem a bit silly to me .. but anyway .. Thanks for the tip 🙂

      1.    dhunter said

        If that's why I hope they will be resolved quickly.

  11.   Oscar said

    A question elav, in a PC with Intel Pentium G620 2.6 Mhz dual core processor with 2 GB of Ram will Wheezy + KDE run well?

    1.    elav said

      Uff, you are left over .. 😀

      1.    Oscar said

        Thanks, proceeding.

  12.   Oscar said

    What icons are you using? They look very interesting.

  13.   oai027 said

    How are people going !!!!, from Buenos Aires commenting on my experience with KDE 4.10.
    On Kubuntu 12.10. I get errors everywhere, there are applications that do not run, little error report signs appear, shutdown, logout, a disaster. The previous version was 4.98 which worked out of 10 !!!. Does anyone know how to go back to the previous version or update the current one, which also does not come with animated backgrounds.

    Thank you hug !!!, Osky

    1.    elav said

      Going back I don't know, because if you are using the Backport PPA, I doubt they will go back a step 😀

      1.    oai027 said

        Thanks for answering. Look I use the Backport PPA. If there is no going back, how would you solve the issue in your opinion. Thanks for the collaboration.

        1.    elav said

          Well, unfortunately right now I can't think of a solution .. Because maybe a downgrade could be done if you had the old packages in the apt cache, but I don't think it is 100% satisfactory .. besides being cumbersome. Thanks to you for comming.

          1.    oai027 said

            I use Kubuntu 12.10 64 bits, what happens that I am in the office at the moment !!!!. A consultation should reinstall everything !!!!

        2.    sieg84 said

          I guess removing the ppa, uninstalled kubuntu-desktop (I think that's what it's called) and reinstall it using whatever is available in the repos.

          1.    elav said

            Yes, but I would go back to KDE 4.8 or something like that ... and I don't know if what you want is to go back to KDE 4.9

        3.    pandev92 said

          just use ppa purge….

          1.    oai027 said

            I will try ... Thank you

        4.    Ramon Luis said

          Very easy OiaO27: try to install Chakra 2013.02 «Benz», KDE experience pure and without problems, at least for me it has been and is a super stable distro

          http://thechakrabay.wordpress.com/2013/02/15/un-vistazo-a-chakra-2013-02-benz/

  14.   Gara_PM said

    One distro with kde that I really like is chakra, apart from having a large number of programs in either pacman or ccr they keep them updated and without losing the stability of the system. You even have prawns (RAD on linux) that I'm currently using.

    By the way, the blog is very good, from Chile.

  15.   PC-BSD and its future plans. said

    PC-BSD, the desktop version of FreeBSD, will become a "rolling distro" this year 2013 (I put it in quotes, since it is not a proper distribution, as we know them from the Linux world).
    Last night I left the article on my G + account, but I will comment on it again now and here, for those who were sleeping, and for those who have a problem with English:

    http://blog.pcbsd.org/2013/02/status-update-and-future-plans/

    There Kris tells us that, thanks to the new pkgng parcel system, the entire current PBI parcel system will pass to pkgng. Apart from this, it will do the same at the operating system level as well, using the "freebsd-update" utility to handle system updates at the binary level, but also for -RELEASE, -STABLE and -CURRENT.
    The issue does not stop there, no. All PC-BSD's own utilities; helpers, scripts, etc, will also be available in the FreeBSD ports. This means that you can also install a FreeBSD, and in a moment have a desktop based on PC-BSD ready.
    Thanks to all these changes, it will be achieved that, for example, when a new version of KDE appears in the ports, it will be immediately available. If there is an update in the apache version due to a bug fix, it will be available immediately, etc ... Also, not only will you be able to have a PC-BSD / FreeBSD system in the -RELEASE branch, you will also be able to have it in -STABLE without having to upgrade the code and recompile the system !!

    All this, the truth, put me last night like a motorcycle. So much as to lie down and hang around for a while, because I couldn't stop imagining the possibilities ...

    This year 2013 is really going to be an extremely interesting year for the FreeBSD / PC-BSD world 😉

    1.    msx said

      PC-BSD just sucks.
      To have a good desktop BSD the best as always is to install FreeBSD (or ArchBSD when it's ready) and add what we want to it.
      And one thing: FreeBSD _is rolling release_, in fact stable snapshots are just that, snapshots of a certain point in the development tree. FreeBSD can be installed once and kept up to date without the need for obnoxious updates every 6 or 8 months or every 2, 3, 5 or 7 years 😛

  16.   Carper said

    Hi Elav,

    I tell you that I have been using Kubuntu for several months now, the version that threw errors at first was 12.04, but only the first two weeks, after that nothing. Currently I use version 12.10 with KDE 4.10 and believe me, I have not had a single error with the applications, not even in some applications that I use with Crossover (SPSS), less in the native ones. In addition to the fact that I use Bespin, a theme that is not completely finished, and I have not had any problems, I think I was lucky.

    What if, is that I have Kernel 3.7 installed, because for some unknown reason, Kernel 3.5 on my laptop gave me many problems, so much so that I reinstalled the system more than 1 time, I thought it was a Kubuntu problem and installed other distributions which coincidentally had the Kernel 3.5 and I got the same problem. With this Kernel it is difficult for my laptop to start, as it does not turn off completely and when starting again, it loads the Grub and then the screen remains blank and from there it does not happen, until after 2 or 3 button presses it reacts.
    After searching online for a solution, and since I didn't find anything (I think I'm the only rare case with this flaw) in those days, Kernel 3.6 was released and, disappointed, I decided to install it, I told myself; "My system does not work well, what does it matter, let's try it" and oh, what a surprise, I did not have the boot failure again, to date, with Kernel 3.7.6 I have not had the slightest problem, my system flows quite well and smoothly.

    Because of the above, I think that something different happens to all of us with certain distro (s); but I think it goes more hand in hand with our Hardware than with the distribution itself. That is my humble opinion.

    Here is a screenshoot of my desktop:
    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-m1x1ZBnWo7w/UR2x-6EcYDI/AAAAAAAABTE/tI43dPC6ZQA/s800/Kubuntu%252012.10.png

    Greetings to all. XD

    1.    elav said

      The problem is that I have only the Debian Testing and Ubuntu 12.04 repository at hand ... also, I would not install 12.10 so that it runs out of support in less than what a rooster crows 😀

    2.    oai027 said

      How is it going, all good? I would be interested to know how the Kubuntu 12.10 64 bits is updated to the Kernel 3.7. You will be kind enough to explain.

      Thank you from Buenos Aires, Argentina. Osky

      1.    Carper said

        Hi Oai, Kernel 3.7.8 is now available.
        On this page they indicate the installation steps:
        http://www.upubuntu.com/2013/02/install-linux-kernel-378-in-ubuntulinux.html
        Once you make sure that your equipment and applications work well with the new Kernel, I recommend you uninstall the old Kernel, including the Headers, since in my case, Google-Earth gave me an error (it did not start); but I fixed it by uninstalling the old Header.
        To see the installed kernels:
        sudo dpkg -l | grep linux-image
        To see the installed headers:
        sudo dpkg -l | grep linux-headers
        To uninstall both:
        sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-image-XXX
        sudo apt-get remove --purge inux-headers-XXX
        I hope you find it useful.
        Greetings.

        1.    oai027 said

          Thanks for the suggestion, I put it into practice and I tell you. A hug from Buenos Aires. Osky

    3.    Hugo said

      So have you managed to run SPSS under crossover? Interesting. May I know which version of SPSS?

      1.    Carper said

        Hello Hugo:
        These are the SPSS applications that I have installed on Kubuntu 12.10:
        https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-eEvJGS2auU4/USEblv3GsUI/AAAAAAAABTY/_88B5CR5VRA/s496/Aplicaciones.png
        These work with Crossover 11.3.1 and I tell you that to date I have not had problems, when working with the databases or programming within the application itself. It is version 4.5, it is somewhat obsolete; but quite functional for what I do.
        A curious fact is that these do not run on Windows 8, only Win 7 and XP.
        Greetings.

  17.   He passed through here said

    It's good to go back to Debian, with ubuntu in general I never get along except with the occasional lts (and in the server branch), but the truth, in Debian, it is the times that become problematic, there are things that are desired a lot and one gets used to it or bursts.
    You get out of the stable and you go up and things happen a little faster, but it is still slow even if the packages move faster (patching the code is still a good policy). Also people let themselves be a bit appealing to the stable, you can find some Debian 4 in production.
    At home I have Debian running for file management + backup, it is still the dominant one on my computers, but for the day to day, little by little I am moving to Arch (where downgrading is a little easier and I can say that I use unity, without ever having installed a unity with ubuntu 😛) and profiling towards bsd (I already have at least one, the firewall at home).
    regards

    1.    elav said

      Thanks for stopping by and commenting .. It is true that sometimes we despair to have new things, but right now the stability and (the feeling that this gives) that I have right now I do not change it for anything .. KDE is still a bit old compared to other distro, but this version 4.8 works wonders ..

  18.   merlin the debianite said

    It's great, debian has something that makes you come back. I also have debian testing + KDE, I don't have it so personalized, since I like KDE and Oxygen effects.

    http://www.subirimagenes.com/imagen-es-8300811.html

    that's my desk.

    1.    elav said

      Air looks nice in KDE 4.10, but it still lacks a little bit .. Also, I am a little more attracted to the dark color panel .. but to enjoy 😀

  19.   peterczech said

    Hi Elav,
    in the end I also left openSUSE KDE which I consider a very good distro and I have returned to Debian Wheezy. The stability and agility of Debian is comparable only to RHEL or CentOS and these have a somewhat "old" package. It seems that once one develops in Debian and does what he wants, he dominates the administrator and it is difficult to get out of Debian's hands… I always come back .. It is simply the best distro :-). I leave you a PrtSc from my desk ..

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/ko6bhsiv6xx8nmu/sn%C3%ADmek1.png

    Greetings Debianeros 🙂

  20.   tavo said

    Dear @elav, you should give OpenSUSE a chance, a distribution, in my opinion, not suitable for versionitics. At first, it may be a bit heavy for you and I admit that the distro's resource consumption is not the best. It is sure that it is the most robust and stable kde distribution that I used (I am encouraged to say the same as Debian but much more updated).
    Anyway I write from stable Debian and last week I installed Crunchbang Waldorf (based on debian testing) on ​​the work computer, I consider myself a must but the day I leave Windows Seven on my notebook, I have to admit that it has not given reasons to remove it , I would surely install OpenSUSE kde. Always the repositories of the latest kde versions work very well on this distro

    1.    msx said

      It is precisely NOT the most robust or stable distribution starting with its poor PACKAGEKIT integration that has ten thousand problems, or the heaviness of Yast2 that is also graphic torture.

      The best KDE SC is Arch Linux 64-bit period.

      1.    Ramon Luis said

        Sorry but I don't agree. Arch may be the best for you, you have enough experience to install it, outline it and leave it to your personal taste. For most mid-level users (let alone newbies), Arch will never be a valid option, whatever desktop environment is chosen, for the simple fact that they won't know / will be able to install it, say "cleanly".
        I'm still in my thirteen: the best KDE SC right now is Chakra 2012.03, if you press OpenSuse.
        Thanks

      2.    tavo said

        As you say, Mr. owner of the absolute truth

      3.    sieg84 said

        not really, no.

      4.    msx said

        HAAHAHA, they bit several! xD

        Obviously it's the best _for me_ but nothing more than that 🙂

        You were trolled 😀

  21.   Fabri said

    After trying all of them and I say ... all the xD distributions I have come to the conclusion that Kubuntu is the best distro, since version 12.04 things have changed and according to my experience the latest version of kde always works better than the one that comes by default , those error messages sometimes come out but whenever they came out it was my fault, for trying things out, it's a fantastic distro, I install them to my friends and family and everyone is delighted, I went to Linux more or less 15 People and all of them after 1 or 2 weeks no longer want to start their windows, hopefully kubuntu continues on this path now with bluesystem, excellent blog but those errors will not come out for touching the system too much? xD greetings

  22.   mr linux said

    Everyone has the freedom to use the distro of their choice, but some of us lean towards old-school operating systems like Slackware and Debian.