Greetings all.
Today I come to tell you that I am no longer in the GNOME 3.4 desktop environment and I come to announce that I am in KDE 4.8.4 which is available Debian Wheezy.
I've done some settings suggested by our colleague Elav, which have been of great help to me so that I can get rid of GNOME once and for all and be able to enjoy KDE without having to regret the sudden slowdowns that its effects generate.
The origin of this drastic decision has been a bug in which GNOME has collapsed in a huge way that in fallback mode it does not show me the windows that I am running.
Therefore, I made the decision to return to the desktop environment with which I really got started in the GNU / Linux universe thanks to Mandrake 9, and which I return as if I were a prodigal son: KDE.
Well, thanks to this tutorial I used to install this beautiful desktop environment, I was finally able to install KDE with all the laws, in addition to doing a apt-get purge to the already disowned GNOME 3 that had it by default.
What does KDE have that GNOME doesn't?
The features that I have found in KDE compared to GNOME are the following:
- Greater customization of the interface through graphic options.
- Better use in terms of hardware consumption.
- Greater stability compared to GNOME.
- Adaptability in most of the GTK2 and GTK3 interfaces (in many distributions it is optional, as is the case with Debian; integrated in some distros like Slackware).
- Quick familiarization with the Windows environment (although XFCE and LXDE are as similar as possible, they do not accomplish what KDE does).
From what I have seen, it also has certain shortcomings such as that it does not fully integrate with applications made in python and the truth is that I will be continuing to explore this desktop environment that, to tell the truth, has left me speechless after having stopped use it for at least about 7 years.
Is KDE heavy?
Truth be told, with transparency, bouncing icon with transparency and translucency icon, yes. Without those components, it is a real pen. Many of those options are found in Preferences >> System Preferences, which has a plethora of fairly stocked options.
Should I install this desktop environment or continue with the one I am working with now?
It is advisable to stick with the desktop environment with which you work if you feel comfortable. If it isn't, then venture out and try a different experience.
Remember that in GNU / Linux you can choose both the desktop on which it is shown in this image as well as GNOME, XFCE, LXDE and others. There is no need to be in one or the other desktop environment for no reason or out of habit.
It is simply finding your comfort and enjoying being able to have several options according to your judgment.
Well, that's all for now. Sorry if I have not finished the third part of my tutorial to put the finishing touches for Slackware because there have been certain problems when it comes to remodeling the laboratories of the institute of higher education in which I am studying.
See you until the next post.
In my case it was goodbye Gnome. Ours does not work KDE. Hello my love, Xfce…. I am your wolf, I want to have you close to love you better.
Xfce responds: What I want is a night without end in which we can both (insert dirty verb that rhymes with ending)
Nothing like XFCE !!! 😀 The rest is pure lead. Sure, if you have an i5, i7, iMucho then even Windows flies. But if you have a modest machine like mine, I'm not going to give it a crazy KDE or Gnome3. And it doesn't matter that I remove the paraphernalia from those environments, they are still heavy.
I would use LXDE if it weren't because it's too much, but too basic. The winner, once again: XFCE!
Well, I have a PC with a 2.8 Ghz Pentium D Dual Core, and GNOME 3 Fallback really flew. The really unfortunate thing is that I can't do tricks like using applications like Nautilus as an administrator because unfortunately GNOME 3 unravels with tremendous ease.
KDE without many effects is really great, as it is a well-crafted desktop environment and it is not a problem.
If KDE flies then XFCE will TELETRANSPORT !!!
Well, Openbox as soon as you blink and you no longer see it.
They are likes. On my work PC (core i7, 8gb of ram) I installed kubuntu, I customized it to leave it as I want it, and even so and everything does not close me, I never end up liking it, and I use it 8 hours a day. On the other hand, on the PC at home with elementary I am more than happy.
Well, you go to the forum Desdelinux, you open a topic asking @elav to help you convert your KDE desktop into an Elementary Desktop.
Did someone say KDE Elementary? ee
http://www.muylinux.com/2011/07/02/kde-elementary/
Cheers(:
haha thanks, I already did something like that, and I already talked a lot in G + with elav, tete, etc.
The theme is animations, effects and many things that annoy me, although I remove them I still don't like them.
Well, because you like the look and feel of osx XD
Better yet, the Elementary KDE one (see @elav's recent screenshots).
haha yes and no ... I already had a macbook. There are things that I like and others I don't. I prefer gnome shell or custom cinnamon. I clarify that on my home PC I have Ubuntu Gnome (shell), mint cinnamon, elementary, and pearos8 (which I am seeing as it progresses) 😉
Excellent decision, I spent 4 years in Gnome until the 3rd arrived, from there I tried other environments and the one that I liked and convinced in various aspects was KDE.
regards
Thanks for the compliment, but KDE has been the desktop environment that I got started with in this world of GNU / Linux, even though no one paid attention to it and everyone preferred GNOME for "how free" it was.
I have a special hatred of KDE because I find it too heavy and cumbersome to use my pc. But I am currently giving it to Mageia, although I still think the same. Let's see when is the day that I see it with different eyes.
Well, you should hate the Aqua and Windows Aero / Metro desktop environment more than KDE, as they are insatiable video eaters.
If you take away nepomuk, I won't even tell you… .. Although it must be said that it is improving little by little .. They don't make me crazy 😛
We are two now. The only thing that I quit KDE and go back to XFCE, is that I use a PC too much, but too old.
Well, on my other PC with Pentium 4, with VIA chipset and integrated 32 MB video, I would really put Slackware + XFCE since KDE is not for those machines with PC Chips 1st brand mainboards. generation.
if you take away nepomuk..no one realizes how nonsense that is? kde's tech flag is nepomuk and it needs to be removed to make it work. We are fixed. Kde 3 come back !!!
Nepomuk has improved a lot. I do not feel it since version 4.10.5. But in modest equipment it can be disabled. It is true that you do not take full advantage of KDE, but you can use a Desktop Environment that even without Nepomuk and Akonadi, is still more complete than GNOME or XFCE.
Well, I don't use Nepomuk at all, with locate I'm already over there.
For my part I deactivate Akonadi, I only deactivate Nepomuk what has to do with emails ... for web things I have the browser, I did not like that they tried to put people in the head with mobile operating systems that now there is a app, luckily Firefox OS came out to fight for the web.
I just ran the following in terminal:
apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop kde-l10n-esAnd neither Akonadi nor Nemopunk installed me.
I, on the contrary, after years, I have left KDE for cumbersome and excessive, with its invasive notification system. Now with Cinnamon and XFCE on my teams, happy, simple and efficient. I will also give Elementary a chance soon.
The best thing about KDE is that you can customize everything, including "Notifications" .. You can disable them completely ..
Yes, sure, but better the simple and discreet notifications of XFCE, for example.
Matter of taste I suppose. 😉
That's true. And since I get along better with QT applications than with GTK applications, I must say that it is more a matter of taste than objective reasons why I went to KDE.
luckily in gnu / linux everyone chooses what they like the most 🙂
+ 1E100
Cinnamon is beautiful and all, but for me it is the heaviest desktop of all, it consumed 900 MB as soon as I started.
Ahhh don't be exaggerated !! Cumbersome, excessive and invasive, not even Windows!
Well… welcome to KDE elio… 🙂
You're welcome. Ironically, KDE is much more comfortable than GNOME and XFCE due to the ease of customization it has at the level of graphical interfaces.
More comfortable than XFCE? Not even a pod!
Well, each head is a world.
Did you try Colibri for notifications?
I think like you, sometimes the customization that kde has is excessive, and to leave it at ease you have to deactivate everything or have to modify everything.
I will talk about the post, he is absolutely right, one seeks to migrate to try new things or simply because I already bore something, but KDE did not let me say that a very good experience, it must be because my pc was freezing a lot, although it says that this can be fixed. I'll wait again if it makes me want to switch to KDE and try it to see how it goes, I currently use Gnome ...
The point is that (sorry if it may sound heavy) if you use Windows 7 you have no excuse to say that KDE does not suit you, they consume practically the same.
And even less with everything and effects, although I must say that it is more for the CPU than for the graphics.
In KDE I deactivate everything except the transparencies and the effects when opening an element of the panel ... and the gelatinous windows, sometimes when I have nothing else to do I grab a window and move it around, that effect is funny xD
That's true.
Well, GNOME left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
In my case disabling Nepomuk is the first thing I do when I install a KDE distro, and I have a 5 Ghz 4-core i3.0 and 8 GB of DDR3 RAM at 1600 Mhz
Nepomuk doesn't really work for me, I don't use it, like so many other things in KDE, I'm not semantic….
With all due respect to KDE, which I use when I install Pisi Linux, I see it as a super overloaded desktop with a lot of unnecessary straw, even having a super PC, I no longer say it because of the consumption that it does not matter to me with my computer.
I am very basic in the use of the desktop, I use them all as if it were Win98, I manually go to my folders and open them with a double click ... and that's it, stop counting.
So of KDE I have more than half left, I only use 10%
@Yoyo: Gee, maybe you are quite right, but some things that tie me to KDE are called: dolphin, okular, gwenview. Those 3 applications are the pinnacle of file browsers, pdf viewers (images, comics, etc.) and image viewers. I think I understand that 10% of your desktop uses them.
We are the same, since those applications have surprised me, in addition to that the performance that KDE has in comparison with Windows Aero is literally spectacular.
KDE, Gnome, XFCE, LXDE ... You lacked the extreme of minimalism: an OpenBox with minimal configurations, ideal for netbooks with limited resources and low battery consumption.
That's what Crunchbang is for, as it has the most beautiful Openbox interface I have ever seen in my life.
Well, with Gnome 3.10's "classic" mode, I'm super happy.
But if we compare with the GNOME Fallback, the GNOME Classic Shell is heavy and GNOME Fallback is a feather.
In my KDE 4.11 it worked perfect and without problems but I do not like it I do not know why and in Linux I have never felt as comfortable as in Gnome 3.8.4 and Manjaro 😉
Q, D I must say that when I tried the 3.4 and 3.6 versions of Gnome I said that it was a real mela.
First: True Story.
Secondly, I am only coming back to KDE after a long time of having stopped using it.
Hahahaha, Today I said goodbye to KDE and hello to XFCE in my openSUSE.
Welcome to the rodent environment (for the XFCE logo, of course).
It happened to me the other way around, I said goodbye to XFCE and hello to KDE in Manjaro.
@ eliotime3000 Yes, but openSUSE doesn't get along with xfce, I'll have to install another distro.
I am between Debian testing or manjaro or Arch.
@gato No, I got tired of the bugs it has and xfce I see it cleaner.
So far I have not had bugs in Manjaro, but with openSUSE they happened to me often.
And for XFCE I would recommend Manjaro or Xubuntu… if you used the Tumbleweed repositories I think Manjaro would be better for you.
Thanks, now I'm about to test Fedora, Mageia, Debian and Manjaro.
Hahahaha, now I'm a distrhopper.
Manjaro as it is derived from Arch, I hardly trust it, so I put a lot of buts on it, I use it on the laptop and it works for me but I feel like it will break at any moment.
For Manjaro you don't have to worry, the new packages hold them until they are all in harmony and then they release a big update.
Gnome 3 is not very to my liking, although I have always been more into gnome than KDE, in fact, I love gtk2-type DEs like MATE or XFCE.
PS: Now I am in win because I am playing the aion in a partition with win.
We're even. I have dual boot Debian 7.1 Wheezy + Windows Vista SP2 (both 32-bit).
will I be continuing to explore?
uffffff
On virtual machines as always, while on the real machine I will be using this desktop. So far, wonders.
Just yesterday I changed MATE to KDE. I love MATE but KDE is beautiful and graphically plays Windows 8 and MacOS very well.
uff excellent change, for me, the only thing I reproach KDE with are the system icons (network, volume, etc.), to my liking they are horrible, I know that there are various themes that modify the icons but not all of them do, in the end and at the end that is the least ... KDE RULES !!!
For those who are interested, I suggest you search for "semantic desktop" in the search engine of this blog. They are going to take many surprises and learn new things about KDE. : =)
Excellent. I will take advantage of my newly installed KDE desktop.
mmmm ... I'd better wear my suit for the sandstorm xD HAHAJ
I haven't seen any sign of Gaara so far.
2 Better use in terms of hardware consumption.
mmmmmmmmmm …………… ..
a clean install of debian with gnome3 consumes 100MB less ram than with kde
3 Greater stability compared to GNOME.
mmmmmmmmmm …………… ..
It would be good that when you give this type of affirmation you base it with some type of test or comparison or reference taken from a site, company, etc. that does that type of test.
http://www.datamation.com/open-source/gnome-or-kde-the-old-question-is-new-today-1.html
Served.
Let's see ... I get tired of repeating it, when you say hardware consumption it does not necessarily refer to RAM, and there is nothing wrong with a DE consuming RAM, if your Gnome 3 consumes 100 less RAM than KDE, but when you do a click increases by 100 mb is the same as nothing, the RAM is a quite debatable point, I have already seen a million posts where "my consumption when it starts: 3" then they click and it will look for 14000 things on disk and the Bring the ram and the consumption becomes 1GB, people, RAM IS ACCESSED FASTER, so it IS NOT BAD TO USE IT, for that it is, it is clear that equipment with limited RAM, some environment that does not load is convenient many things in RAM, either because it is going to look for them on disk or simply because it is lacking in many things, to privilege RAM for other programs
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Jerarquia_memoria.png
I correct a piece of the comment, which did not come out:
"My (put your WM here) consumes (put its lowest value here) of RAM when it starts up: 3"
This is exactly what I want you to understand. The RAM is to make things easier, but that depends in itself on the processor, the video card and the brand of mainboard or laptop you are using.
I am referring to the consumption of RAM of the OS, it is evident that if I open iceweasel or gimp, etc, etc. it will increase the consumption of RAM, but that increase is of the programs not of the OS.
what's more, I understand that in one of the last Akademy-ES meetings the people from kde talked about how they plan to improve the issue of ram consumption for the next versions of kde. Will it be kde5?
I don't know, my comment also emphasizes the fact that it is obvious that if you open a program it will increase, but 98% of KDE distros bring many active services, hence their cursed "consumption". With one click and everything goes to hell, I mean that many applications depend on several services that run in the background and as KDE raises most of these services, when opening an application, the impact on RAM is not felt so much , unlike other so-called "light" assumptions that at the first click start to lift services like crazy and the RAM goes to hell
I start my KDE, with Nepomuk + Akonadi at 340MB. Is that a lot for someone who has 4GB of RAM?
well I also in debian I am with that consumption of ram but in gnome3..2 😀 http://i.imgur.com/lPZUVL6.png (so they can see that I'm not lying). the question is that kde 4.8 of debian is 400mb or more after a while of use. (which I have tried because I had it installed for a while)
it is true that for the amount of ram we have today this discussion is irrelevant. but I want to emphasize that my comment was to refute the claim that kde has "Better use in terms of hardware consumption." if it consumes more ram it does not take better advantage of the hardware resources
I have 4GB and Debian + KDE starts me at 180MB, without akonadi or nepomuk of course.
@rolo, better use means that "take advantage of resources", the ram is to be used not to have them as ornaments, it is much easier to clean the ram than to load it.
@dhunter excuse me but I find it very doubtful to believe that you have a consumption of 180mb with kde 4.8, could you put a screenshot with the kde program that measures the consumption of ramy use of the cpu?
By the way, all the hardware components are used, it is true that the ram is made to be used, but that same criterion applies to all the rest of the components that make up the computer hardware
regards
Exactly, not to mention that we are in the gates of 2014 and that the new machines are sold today with 8gb and 16gb pre-installed.
The problem is that there are people who complain about KDE but it has like 6 gigs of RAM.
Well my contribution with my desktop with the very unstable Gnome 3 with a zillions of very heavy and unstable extensions on the very heavy Ubuntu 64bits:
http://imageshack.us/a/img713/4783/anl0.png
And here with the programs that I use the most:
http://imageshack.us/a/img689/5673/nadv.png
of which ~ 400MB are only from Firefox, eclipse / java and the FBMessenger.
I don't think the process of consuming those programs in KDE will change much, do I?
Well, I work with 1 GB of RAM, a 2.8 Ghz dual-core Pentium D processor, 256 MB Intel integrated video, and my KDE desktop barely devours me around 230 MB.
Eliot, yes, from startup that will consume you (40 MB less than what I put in, and see that in Ubuntu by default they load many more things than in Debian), but in the rest, I doubt that the consumption of the programs will change.
Clementine, vlc, firefox, a programming IDE, a social network client, an rss reader, etc, all that will consume the same (or very similar) in KDE or Gnome. And when you get to work with several open programs, if it thundered with Gnome, it will thunder with KDE. Because having integrated the video you don't have 1 GB of RAM but less than that, so it is pulled for video. So at the same time you even walk with just under 800 MB of RAM and you are confident with a DE "heavy" like Gnome or KDE.
To what I've been reading about your topic and your answers, your problem was not Gnome, but that you had it in Debian. And sorry, but Debian will be the best for servers, but it still takes a long time to fix the problems that their DEs have, call it Gnome, KDE, XFCE or whatever, and I am telling you because while Wheezy was barely going to leave (not to mention 7.0.1 which was the version that should have been the true Release), in Ubuntu they had already released 12.04.2, with all the Gnome updates so far ... and if you add that you can put the Gnome PPA, well I don't even tell you how you have the DE up to date.
Any DE, knowing how to configure it, can go great, and as tete said, many people who stay with KDE as it comes (as surely happens with other desktops), and I'm sure that if you don't run into someone like elav , who knows KDE very well, surely now you would also be complaining about that DE.
Cheer up!
@rolo doubtful ?, many people stay with the KDE that comes by default .. and they don't investigate all the things that can be done with it .. I don't know dhunter, but he is not lying .. there I show you one of mine. . http://i.imgur.com/3MvJIEL.png
@ x11tete11x the truth is that I am amazed at the low consumption of ram, I do not know what configurations you have done but it is impressive, the low consumption that you achieved +1
This is my consumption after 2 days of continuous USE on KDE 4.11.
http://imgur.com/xzEMaRu
Well, this is the consumption that KDE 4.8.4 leaves me in Debian Wheezy >> http://i.imgur.com/4tVIvUn.png
For Debian (aj!) With KDE in [stable] nothing better than: http://www.kwheezy.com/en/
It already takes the fun out of customizing Debian + KDE by hand. Anyway, between tastes and colors ...
FAIL
It is one thing to 'customize the interface' which you can do regardless of the technology used as a base since it is typical of the KDE SC field and quite another to configure the base system correctly to work especially well with KDE SC and configure it. KDE SC so that all its components work perfectly.
Installing Debian + KDE SC or Gentoo + KDE SC or Arch + KDE SC (whatever) is not the same as installing KWheezy, Sabayon KDE SC or Chakra for the simple reason that these last 3 systems are tweked (without losing compatibility with their original distributions ) to provide an excellent experience using KDE SC (I can't say the same for Kubuntu xD).
Generally, aspects such as Akonadi, GNHS or the different Dolphin KIO slaves DO NOT COME CONFIGURED OR INSTALLED BY DEFAULT when we install KDE SC in distributions such as those mentioned that are open and allow the use of the - or - desktops that we decide to use.
You may not like the KWheezy interface, perfect, but that's TRIVIAL to change as opposed to spending hours reading documentation and testing until you get the underlying Debian properly configured to work as a team with KDE and configure correctly. the KDE SC desktop environment so that its components work in an integrated way with the system and with each other, especially the components that are optional and are not part of the backbone desktop installation.
KDE SC is *** HUGE ***, it is not just a 'pretty face', ha! The framework that powers the desktop is simply monstrous and mastering it and configuring it correctly is not difficult but it does take many hours to learn its laps, how it works and the why of certain design decisions.
Changing a skin or the icons is done by anyone, correctly configure the platform NO.
WIN!
The truth is that I am starting with the interface, but I was also struck by how monstrous it is at the framework level, so at least I will be searching through the documentation in English (since many times the eyes burn for only make GTK applications look good and often give up for dependencies and not all programs made in GTK do it the first time in KDE, and the information in Spanish is little or messy).
And by the way:
http://beagamecharacter.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Challenge_accepted.png
Haha, okay, enjoy your journey then !!!
I no longer have the patience to configure everything a thousand times, I already did it for a long time (7 years old with Arch and working as sysadmin), since you accepted the challenge you will learn A LOT.
Of course: I recommend you change the base for Arch ^ ^
Modern, upstream compatible, very light and clean - the latter is going to surprise you with respect to Debian.
Stable? Sure 😀 - and if not ask elav or KZ, ultradebianeros who have seen the light 😉
msx ..., KZ I don't know if it is ultradebianero or ultrarchero, but before going from archlinux to debian, it was an altraarchero that and got tired of arch ..., so light or not, having the latter can break things on your system .., and no, it is not a matter of the distro, it is a matter of the packages that are not sufficiently tested.
Actually KZKG ^ Gaara was a fanatic (because he defended him tooth and nail) Ubuntero, who one day tried to be Archero and succeeded until BASH broke down and decided to be Debian .. In short, KZKG ^ Gaara is Ubuntero, no Archero xDD
@pandev: again, most of the problems are between the monitor and the chair.
The few problems I had with Arch during the 7 years I used it - and it was not even there as refined as it is now - were from not reading the update news and, in short, blindly updating the fool.
Outside of my personal mistakes the distro * never failed *.
Well, @msx, and most of the programs were developed between a monitor and a chair, that's why they are often bugged from upstream.
And in the next release are they still called KWheezy or do they go to KJessie?
This is what I wonder! xD
Better to call it KDebian to not do so much trouble.
Well I'm sorry. God bless you.
Keep you from what? To use the best desktop out there for Linux right now?
Just yesterday a compi of the job went from Unity to KDE on Ubuntu 12.04, I installed kde-full, and hey, he's delighted, nothing to regret.
Goodbye GNOME: HELLO MATE 1.6 🙂
Nostalgia, nostalgia everywhere.
Totally.
Nostalgia never moved societies forward>: D
MSX, I don't know if it's nostalgia, but I do know that MATE is very configurable wherever you look at it and that's what I want and need. I also like XFCE a lot. For me, the best thing about KDE was its version 3.5, although what I criticize or don't like very much about KDE is that it is very messy, it has no order. otherwise, it is more than respectable. Regarding the advancement of societies…. Nostalgia is very useful, sometimes it is very good to look back to know what was done wrong and to improve. If you don't have nostalgia, then you don't have feelings, you are not a person, you are an abstract entity.
«[…] Although what I criticize or do not like about KDE is that it is very bare, it has no order."
You are absolutely right, almost like they need to create a new position and put someone to order and direct the development of the environment.
About nostalgia I think you want to refer to "tradition", which is the exact word that agrees with your definition.
Nostalgia is melancholy and therefore it is dangerous because melancholy (or longing) is a negative feeling that depresses rather than cheers.
Socrates already defined it some 2K years ago apox .: "melancholy is a feeling of dangerous morbidity."
Check out this definition of nostalgia:
Nostalgia (classical Greek νόστος "return" and ἄλγος "pain") is described as a feeling or need to long for a past moment, situation or event.
Nostalgia is commonly referred to not as a disease or a field of study, but as a feeling that anyone can go through at any biological stage. Nostalgia is the suffering of thinking about something that has been had or lived in a stage and now it is not had, is extinct or has changed. Nostalgia can often be associated with a fond childhood memory, a loved one, a certain game or an esteemed personal item, or an event in the individual's life. "
Instead tradition says:
«Tradition is each of those collections that a population considers worthy of constituting itself as an integral part of its uses and customs. Tradition tends to be about knowledge generically and also about select socio-cultural principles or foundations, which, because they are considered especially valuable or correct, are intended to be extended to the common, so that some generations will transmit them to the next in order to be preserved and last, are consolidated. Also called tradition are the patterns that can form idiosyncrasies, such as traditions: Egyptian, Greek, Roman, etc. Social change alters the set of elements that are part of the tradition.
The popular tradition phrase is also used to refer to the values, beliefs, customs and forms of artistic expression characteristic of a community, especially those that are transmitted orally. The traditional thus coincides, to a large extent, with culture and folklore or "popular wisdom", as in the proverbs.
Etymology: The word comes from the traditional Latin noun, and this in turn comes from the verb tradere, «to deliver». "
Source: Wikipedia.
Hello!
Actually you are not the only one, I lived fascinated with Gnome Shell, for me it was the best in terms of a desktop environment paradigm but ... how can a "stable" environment crash every three sessions? Let's say that my computer does not have "low" characteristics, it is a new machine with respectable characteristics ... It is a pity, but KDE has something that as a "substitute" beats it one by one, as if it is my current environment and I have attached like a child with your favorite toy.
Too bad it's so troublesome, because since Debian, through Sabayon and ending in Fedora, not one could maintain the minimum stability to be useful on a day-to-day basis. Maybe in the future it will improve, and it is really worth it, but KDE does hook you with its functionalities, that Gnome has nothing to do with them.
Greetings.
> not one could maintain the minimum stability to be useful in a day to day
Wait, I have Debian and Fedora and I don't put more servers and programs on them because I don't have time but I have hostapd, dnsmasq, nginx, lighttpd, uwsgi, symfony, flask, django, postgresql, mysql…. and everything is running at 100, especially the Debian Wheezy that I have since March 2012 when it was still testing.
What breaks that you can't work?
Opening the Nautilus in ROOT mode, from there, opening a tablet and unzipping it in the same Nautilus in ROOT mode is practically impossible in GNOME 3 because it crashes immediately and the only thing you can do is do an Alt + F2 and type «gnome-terminal »To simply restart the PC because unfortunately you sent the devil for such savagery. Ironically, in GNOME 2 you could do that and it was not a problem.
Wouldn't it be easier to alt f2 reboot? I zero problem with gnome shell ...
It's good that it worked so well for you, I'm glad that you can be one of those who take advantage of Gnome with peace of mind, I couldn't, simply by opening, for example, a plug-in like Flash in Iceweasel would freeze the desktop and there was no way to move it , with KDE it has not happened to me, for more tests that I did. The desktop collapsed on two occasions, just by turning on the computer, without making any changes, I don't customize my systems too much, I make simple changes (DNS, Keyboards, Time Zone, Fonts, etc.) so that when turning on it fell no more.
Tried reinstalling the system from scratch, without any change. And for a "smooth" job it is too much the fact of freezing with start, and if you ask, the disk was verified with md5 at the time of downloading it, it is healthy, since I used it to implement KDE.
I clarify that it is MY experience, that you do not share it, I like it, because at least others can use an environment that I like, only that KDE has already alleviated the passage and the tribulation, it is the only thing, I do not say that Gnome is bad, terrible or decadent, I like it, but it didn't work out for me. And testing it with three different distros is already a clue to know how much I wanted to use it.
Do not worry. In GNOME 3 Fallback I felt calm until it occurred to me to open Nautilus and FileRoller as ROOT and it immediately collapsed in such a huge way that I could barely invoke the terminal to barely reboot. Hence why I migrated to KDE.
A pity, because I don't know about you, but I lived fascinated with Gnome, but so much failure, it's not worth it.
🙁
At least KDE does beat you, with sweethearts and all, ha.
And I do the same with GNOME 2, since it did that savage thing of opening Nautilus and FileRoller as superuser and it did not crash the desktop.
I, too, a few months ago I went from Gnome to KDE, more precisely I changed Ubuntu for Kubuntu.
And I am very satisfied with the change, even more: I recommend it!
The reason for moving away from Gnome / Ubuntu after several years are the latest changes that have been introduced. Unity is crap, and the fallback version has been deprecated.
KDE is a bit slower, but that difference is more than compensated for by its agility and ease of use.
regards
Did you try Chakra? You will notice a huge difference in performance and best of all: forget about dangerous updates every 6 months.
That's what Slackware is for. It is barely updated every two years if you are in the stable branch, and in current, nor do I tell you (it's like Arch).
NOTHING TO SEE
Slack is oriented to specific servers and tasks where once you configure it you don't touch it anymore and you leave it doing those tasks for ever.
Also, it does not have a package manager (slapget? Come on) because according to its users like to resolve dependencies by hand (WTF !!!) the software is always behind the stable versions - and we are talking about Current, not the branch 'stable'.
Also, you have to see how configured Slack is to support intensive desktop use talking about the peripherals that we may need such as printers, scanners, digitizing tablets, etc.
slackware's package management system is completely modular, therefore many people fuss with dependencies and prefer "helpers" like slapt-get, and you can even play with dependencies.
The fact that they do not know how to use backports like those of Slacky.eu and Alien does not mean that Slackware itself has late packages, but that it gives them a tremendous laziness to be using backports or they have become assiduous to compiling their programs with sbopkg and use the slackpkg of one or the other mirror there is.
I personally think that KDE is the best DE of all. But unfortunately my machine is so super old that I can't mount it because it dies. I already tried twice and both times I almost gave up my PC for dead. Even so, I see that I am quite productive at Xfce. It is quite comfortable for me and my PC works well with this DE.
I'm sure that if I installed Debian + KDE + Disable Effects, it would work for me… But I love customizing !!! Without the effects I am nothing ... And I download every new program (I've been using GNU / Linux for years and it hasn't been taken away. I'm an obsessive compulsive tester. At least I got over the versionitis).
Well, the problem you have with Gnome must be related to the drivers of your graphics card, but not directly with Gnome.
Gnome is very stable and even more so on Debian.
Well, I'm using my integrated Intel video card and I have not had major problems with GNOME 3.4 shell or with fallback due to performance, but the fact is that GNOME 3 becomes unstable the moment you open Nautilus and / or FileRoller as root and try transfer files (which I didn't see in GNOME 2).
What things are— years ago (around version 8.04 of ubuntu) I started testing Linux .. Slackware, debian, ubuntu, opensuse, mandriva power pack… I liked ubuntu more because of its friendliness. But then I went back to WIndows because all the software I used for school and work and play was better developed in that OS.
Now ... a few years later…. I returned to ubuntu due to a work imposition (in the company where I work it is required to use ubuntu due to security reasons when developing websites) and the change has been super pleasant. I have not missed windows at all. Until I want to use Photoshop. But that is another story.
I am very comfortable with this Ubuntu 13.04 and all its packages. However Unity does not satisfy me visually. Install GNOME 3 and neither.
They both have useful things. Points that I find very good ... but not enough to keep any of them in daily use.
I just installed kubuntu-desktop and well—- I already want to remove gnome and unity and apply apt-purge xD
My laptop is very functional, the Ubuntu eye-candy is impressive. Speaking of performance, I am willing that the system spends a bit more .. total for that.
Hopefully the battery won't suck, as it will surely happen .. but so far everything I'm running in KDE is making me a LOT in love.
I know this is completely subjective, since there is nothing written in taste ...
but no matter how much I dealt with KDE 4 in slackware, I never liked it, it must be that I was used to gnome since Ubuntu 8.04 but I didn't like it, apart from being troll too much and to put effects uffff ... now with gnome-shell 3.10 I don't change ...
The best GNOME I have used has been the one from Debian (precisely the GNOME 2.6.x from Debian Squeeze). GNOME 3.4 sucks and I was really disappointed.
In Squeeze there was Gnome 2.30 and not 2.6.X :), but I agree that Gnome 2.30 and 2.32 have been the best of the best.
Slip of the pen.
Well yes, GNOME 2.3.X was the reason why I abandoned KDE for a long time.
To enjoy KDE SC nothing better than Chakra, Arch or Funtoo, in these distros it works as it is supposed to.
In my case, I tried Gnome Shell for one day, and na… it just stuck to me, I never knew why, and I had it on a good machine (i5 - SSD - 4GB - GTX 650). In the end it was just a test, however, there is no need to give KDE, the best thing is that it can be left as one wants, from paraphernalia to extreme minimalist, only that it demands to be a good morning investigating its innumerable functions.
To all this, at this moment with firefox open and a single tab shows me a RAM consumption of 1.2 GB, it will be a lot ... in any case, the system does not drag ...
Well, this consumption of resources is at least "respectable." In my case, I had to remove certain effects from the KDE desktop to make it light (Thanks @elav!). Now what I am left to do is make the Debian software center look good.
Software Center… ??? you mean Apper, Muon, or the great Synaptic ..
I answer only ...
is this true ..
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Debian-software-center-5-wheezy.png
Another thing, I suppose that the Debian-software-center uses GTK libraries, hence you look bad, it must be because you need to install the kde integration.
aptitude install kde-config-gtk-style kde-style-qtcurve gtk2-engines-oxygen gtk3-engines-oxygen gtk2-engines-qtcurve qtcurve
I'll tell you about this, because I installed it and it looks good, both synaptic (GTK) and Firefox (GTX), of course I have installed the KDE integration described above.
LOL!
And I took that screenshot and uploaded it to Wikicommons.
Regarding the dependencies, I installed all the necessary ones, although I am surprised that Synaptic looks good and the software center does not.
To continue experimenting.
Anyway, this is all a shame. Again Linux is going to waste the opportunity to grow on the desktop. First he wasted it with netbooks and now that Windows Xp disappears they go and get freaks out of his hand like gnome shell and kde 4. I have used them, but I have gotten tired of bugs and more bugs. The case of gnome 3.8 is scandalous, it does not work with free drivers, neither with intel nor with nouveau, I had to put the proprietary ones to make it decent. Super stuck and slow and with continuous reboots without coming to mind. And kde4? It has been dragging bugs since the first versions, exactly the same bugs since at least kde 4.1, is it so difficult to solve them? and then they take nonsense like in kde 4.11 that you get a light in the hotcorners, what nonsense is that? What improvement is that? and what to say about kwin who lags all the time and has zero fluidity. Sorry to say it but kde and gnome are not up to par, they are losing the north in an alarming way. I finally say goodbye with my heart in hand. Do i go back to windows? no, never ... I fully support the free software philosophy. I have put openbox, which is the only thing that works decently and that makes me see that what I have in my hands is a PC to work with. I could have also set Xfce or Lxde which are the only decent environments right now. But I prefer openbox only.
I hope I have not been too negative but things are not looking good in Linux, not to mention Mir and wayland and other herbs that come to desolate more if possible the sad panorama of Linux distros, greetings
Negative no, Subjective .. What are those Bugs that KDE has since version 4.1? Just to know.
For example, if you minimize and the window goes nowhere, that bug has been around since the beginning of kde 4 and it still continues. And there is more…
But what are you talking about? I minimize the window and it goes straight to the panel. What version of KDE are you using, or rather, which was the last one you used?
the 4.11 in arch. well it has happened to me
Do not take it the wrong way and you will excuse me, but I do not believe you, or rather, I question it. Could you make a video and upload it to YouTube to see what happens to you? The Plasma panel in version 4.11 was brought to QML, so it should not carry the same errors as the previous panels.
I no longer have kde installed, I am with openbox only. Eye elav that I love kde (especially kde 3 which in my opinion has been the best environment that has ever existed) I only say that they should have a slower development rate, improve what there is ... I don't know ... it will be subjective as you say but kde4 seems to me that it is not the alternative that it should be
@itachi:
Who should really take a slower pace of development is GNOME, since lately they have not improved much in terms of design and performance, they are just filing rough edges.
The truth is that I had that "bug" in KDE 4.8, but it is not a really relevant bug to say that it affects the functionality of the desktop. What would really be a tremendous bug is when you are using a file browser and a compressed folder viewer in superuser mode and when unzipping that folder 90% of the interface freezes and the only thing left is do Alt + F2, invoke the console and execute the reboot command in superuser mode because unfortunately the graphical environment was destroyed by such savagery. I saw that one bug in GNOME 3 and not in GNOME 2 or KDE (until now).
@itachi: the gnome3 freezing bug was "fixed" by restarting the CTRL + ALT + Impr + k session. This bug was very annoying and lasted a few long months after wheezy came out, but today it is completely fixed.
Thank you very much for the tip, but it is too late as you have seen.
I think that in windows xp there are loads of bugs worse than those you can find in any linux distro ..., and I'm not kidding.
And there are so many that if you use Firefox 23 on Windows XP installed on a literally humble PC (Pentium III), you will feel that it is really heavy because of its graphical interface.
KDE's advancements are remarkable in terms of stability and application integration. I am using SolydK, I fully recommend it and in my case it meets what I was looking for: rolling release, KDE 4.10.5 (soon 4.11.1), based on debian testing, driver and kernel manager (DDE), for now it comes with kernel 3.9.1, monthly updates, and if necessary security updates, drivers and codecs, libreoffice and all those applications that we already know.
About tastes ... .. there is nothing written, use the desk that you like, feel free, do not discuss bullshit, discuss topics that are worthwhile. 🙂
Completely agree with you. It bores me that they keep saying they are against KDE for no apparent reason.
I spent a long time with Gnome 2 .. When Gnome 3 came out after testing it I went to KDE in which I spent a long enough time to be able to comment and say that it is good but there are also things that I do not like completely.
In the end I found the perfect ally in which I do not lack or spare anything ... XFCE.
regards
XFCE is the perfect replacement for GNOME 2, but since my memories and how much progress this desktop has come to win me over, I decided to give KDE another shot.
In the end I'll see you at Xfce :) .. You'll see 😀
If my HP workstation crashes for any reason and I have to go back to using my old PC with XNUMXst generation mainboard PC Chips, I will install Slackware or Debian with XFCE.
In my case, KDE offers me everything I don't need. While I'm on windows 7 waiting for the new version of opensuse to come out.
Hello,
There are some things why I don't use KDE right now (although the truth is that I like almost all desktops, I have no problem there). And that I always have two linux distros on my main laptop; right now it's Crunchbang and Mageia 3 with Gnome-Shell. That is why I am not going to talk about tastes or subjective, but about very specific issues. If those issues were resolved, maybe I would go back to kde.
In the latest versions of KDE they have already removed the mosaic option, which allowed tiling to be used as needed. Is it now possible to use tiling in kde? There are occasions, certain jobs, for which I use it (especially when I have the draft of a document on one side and the final one on the other, for example).
Another, what dock do you recommend in kde? Some like Cairo-Dock are very good, but seem too out of tune with the kde environment. Any suggestions, something that integrates better? Maybe make a panel from scratch?
And I find it very, very annoying about the kde wallet; but on the other hand, some sites say that it is bad for system security to disable it. Less secure than on other desks where this is not required? What experience do you have in this regard?
There is a Gnome extension that is especially useful to me, which in a way is also when using Cairo-dock; It is the direct access to my favorite folders (something like "places"), but not from the desktop (it is always covered with other windows and must be minimized) but from the panel or dock (always directly accessible).
Proposals in this regard? I could go back to kde if I figure out how to do this from that environment.
Greetings.
The truth is that I have just recently used KDE and I am just getting to see everything that this desktop offers. I have not used KDE for a long time and I barely stayed on 3, so I am still getting used to this desktop, which is actually quite light.
«In the latest versions of KDE they have already removed the mosaic option, which allowed you to use tiling as needed. Is it now possible to use tiling in kde? There are occasions, certain jobs, for which I use it (especially when I have the draft of a document on one side and the final one on the other, for example). »
It was by decision of the developers. According to them, no one in the development team used this feature and when they did the survey in the forum to see what acceptance it had among users, they found that almost no one used that feature so they decided to remove it to save time and inconvenience and possible instabilities in KWin for something that nobody or very few used.
However, the versatility of KDE is * immense *: it is the _only_ desktop whose window manager allows you to arrange the applications and open windows in the best "floating window" style in the form of 7 tiles:
1. dragging the window upwards, it is maximized in:
Desktops with this feature: Windows, GNOME (Cinnamon), KDE SC and possibly other F / LOSS desktop environments
Screen occupancy: 100%
2. by dragging the window to either side, it is shaped so that it occupies half of the screen so that you can work on a document while having another in view, and so on.
Screen occupancy: 50%
Desktops with this feature: KDE SC, I think in GNOME too, I'm not sure in Windows.
3. Dragging the window to any of the upper or lower margins adjusts the window to that position occupying only a part of that half of the screen.
Desktops with this feature: that I know of only KDE SC.
Effective screen occupancy: 25%
As you can see in this way, it is very simple, for example, to have a working document open in the full left half of the screen, a browser open in a live resource in the upper right quarter and another document, reference, file manager, Blender or whatever in the bottom quarter of the screen.
You assemble the mosaic layout according to YOUR CONVENIENCE without having to be tied to the generally rigid mechanics of window managers like Awesome, dwm and friends.
If to that you add that the main panel of the system can be as wide or thin as you want, it can auto hide to leave you the screen completely complete or simply allow the windows to step on it and appear when you bring the mouse to the edge of the screen or It may not exist directly and you can use your system as if it were Openbox or even Chrome OS, I think KDE SC is definitely the champion of versatility and flexibility.
«Another, what dock do you recommend in kde? Some like Cairo-Dock are very good, but seem too out of tune with the kde environment. Any suggestions, something that integrates better? Maybe make a panel from scratch? »
Personally I simply use a panel adapted to my liking.
There are also several plasmoids that serve as docks, although none have the versatility of Cairo.
eLav, for example, uses Plank from the eOS project - he recently wrote an article on the subject.
And I find it very very annoying about the kde wallet; but on the other hand, some sites say that it is bad for system security to disable it. Less secure than on other desks where this is not required? What experience do you have in this regard? »
Which is the best invention after Coca-Cola and LastPass.
The system portfolio concept is brilliant and again shows just how far ahead KDE devs are as it began to be implemented long before other systems realized its need.
KWallet allows you to save in an encrypted and local form the passwords not only of your browser but of any application that uses KWallet.
In the light of modern times, although it is a great resource, the reality is that it has become somewhat obsolete for those of us who use several computers or devices, this is where LastPass and the like come into play.
However, KWallet continues to be essential when securing locally stored passwords such as WIFI keys, messaging sessions (Telepathy), etc.
“There is a Gnome extension that is especially useful to me, which in a way is also when using Cairo-dock; It is the direct access to my favorite folders (something like "places"), but not from the desktop (it is always covered with other windows and must be minimized) but from the panel or dock (always directly accessible).
Proposals in this regard? I could go back to kde if I figure out how to do this from there. "
KDE panel with appropriate plasmoids (QuickFolder, RecentPlaces, etc.), Cairo Dock.
Think of it this way: if you can do it in your current desktop environment, you can do it in KDE 😉
Since Wheezy came out I have discovered Gnome 3 and have to say I like it. I honestly don't understand why such a dislike for this desktop environment, from my point of view superior to KDE. It seemed that the wolf was coming; Not so much.
The application launcher and the shell work very well and their efficiency is high. Simple, fast and functional (of course the speed will depend on the power of the machine, I have a seven-year-old laptop and it is going to peel off). I also have to say that I have never used the desktop much as such (desktop metaphor), I have always liked having it clean and empty; I use the terminal quite a bit. The taskbar is replaced with the shell without problems.
Isn't it so customizable? And that? Stop customizing, satrt working!
There is a lot of talk around here about nepomuk and KDE. That if you deactivate it, the environment is lighter. A note: if you remove the tracker, gnome becomes lighter and faster (170 Mb of RAM at startup).
In order.
But if you start running the applications that come by default in GNOME such as FileRoller or Nautilus as root and you start transferring files (especially 3.4), GNOME 3 gives you a "glitch" that renders it completely useless.
With basic KDE with Plasma, I have been more than happy, since I have put the most essential and not other options that I do not really use.
In my opinion, the characteristics that I have found in KDE compared to GNOME are the following:
1- many configurations that immerse me in a universe of options that seem endless. so much that if I touch something ... boom!
2- unless you have over 2gb of ram, you can run the environment, at 4 fluid. Take advantage of the latest generation hardware you have, you don't have to be so vain, with an Intel i5, 4GB of ram and a wd velociraptor is enough (you can opt for 2 wd black in raid 0)
3- every pc is stable for the hardware it was designed for, a pentium 4 is stable with an openbox, an athlon x2 with a gnome 2, an i3 in gnome3 (4 generation if you want good shell performance with 4000 graphics)
4- If you want to install a program that you saw in gnome, you will have to download many megabytes to satisfy the dependencies and in the end 2 environments will coexist and you will have a very heavy hybrid. But if it is adaptable to any program as long as it is developing in qt, how ugly it is to see a program made for gtk2 / 3 that does not fit the kde theme.
5- as long as you like the transparent theme of windows 7, you can endure the odyssey that you have a linux in front of you which is a beast if you master it, little by little ...
Well, repeating again:
Mainboard: HP Compaq dc7700 Small Form Factor
Processor: Intel ™ Pentium D dual core 2.8 Ghz.
RAM: 1 GB
Integrated Video: 256 MB Intel.
KDE version: 4.8.4 (the one that came in Debian Wheezy).
And how did I make it really fly? Simple, following @elav's tutorial >> https://blog.desdelinux.net/debian-wheezy-kde-4-8-instalacion-y-personalizacion/
And to make it look "prettier"?
Over here >> http://diversidadyunpocodetodo.blogspot.com/2013/05/debian-wheezy-instalar-entorno-escritorio-adicional-kde-gnome.html <> http://diversidadyunpocodetodo.blogspot.com.es/2013/04/debian-wheezy-7-despues-instalar-kde-integracion-gtk-qt-kuser.html << and nothing more.
And by the way, the recommended requirements that you say are more for Modern UI of Windows or for Aqua of OSX (up to Aero at least asks for 256 MB of video).
Well ... ah if it's my bad luck or I don't connect to the system, I always try KDE versions in opensuse and the screen always tells me that more ram is needed.