Cinnamon is still left alone: ​​Manjaro cancels his edition with this desktop

Manjaro Cinnamon Community Edition 0.8.5

Yesterday we commented on the news that cinnarch, a distribution based on Arch Linux with Cinnamon as a desktop environment, I was leaving this fork to move to GNOME-Shell. In the article I suggested to Manjaro Cinnamon Community Edition as a possible substitute for cinnarch for those looking for another distribution based on Arch with Cinnamon.

Well, you can forget about that recommendation because Manjaro has just announced that this edition is definitely canceled. The announcement of this is made ironically during the presentation of Manjaro Cinnamon Community Edition 0.8.5, launched yesterday and that will be the last they produce with the fork de GNOME-Shell. The motives? The same as those of cinnarch: the inability to keep a development desktop as slow as Cinnamon on a distro that is always as up to date as it is Arch Linux. With this the only two distros (as far as I know) based on Arch that they offered Cinnamon pre-installed as standard.

GNOME 3.8: the real culprit

The author behind the break between the desktop created by Linux Mint and the family distros Arch is none other than the same GNOME. The version 3.8 Miguel de Icaza's desktop is currently in the Testing repositories of Arch Linux and it is expected to start entering the stable channel in a few days. The problem is that the boys of GNOME, always so controversial, They have completely forgotten about the backward compatibility of GNOME 3.8 with its previous versions, so all packages that use libraries and APIs from old versions will be unusable. This is the case of Cinnamon, which in its current version 1.7 only supports up to GNOME 3.6.

The result will be that as GNOME 3.8 come, which atomic bomb will destroy any active Cinnamon installs on Arch Linux.

Cinnamon and its slow evolution

To all this the question remains: why Cinnamon is so far behind the development of GNOME? Why haven't you supported version 3.8 yet? The answer was given by himself Clement lefebvre a few days ago: because for them it is not necessary. Cinnamon was not born as an independent Linux Mint project, from the beginning it was conceived to be the desktop of that distro and nothing else. If other distros ended up porting it to their own repositories it was because they decided to do so, but Cinnamon was not created for that.

And in Mint they have no urge to carry Cinnamon a GNOME 3.8 because in their repositories, as well as those of the whole family Ubuntu, they are still with GNOME 3.6 and it takes a long time for them to receive the new version. And surely when it finally arrives it will have already been launched GNOME 4.0, and so on, always one step back.

The end of Cinnamon outside of Linux Mint?

So what will happen to Cinnamon hereinafter? I don't really know if there is any solution, but the immediate scenario will be that will begin to disappear from all distros where GNOME 3.8 is arriving. The first will be the rolling release as Arch (packages of Cinnamon are still in the AUR but perhaps they will soon be retired or at least marked outdated) and later the semi rolling and all those who seek to keep recent versions of the packages in their repositories.

In the end it seems that whoever wants to use Cinnamon as a desk you will have to stay in Linux Mint and in the other distros we will have one less option to choose from.

Via | Very linux


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  1.   f3niX said

    That happens with desks with few maintainers.

  2.   elendilnarsil said

    The snowball begins to get big. Bad news for Cinnamon.

    1.    elendilnarsil said

      I correct the comment, for Cinnamon users.

  3.   edo said

    Well, as they said before, Cinnamon is the unity of linux mint

  4.   Yoyo Fernandez said

    I already said it yesterday

    Cinnamon Forever Alone Edition….

  5.   Cristianhcd said

    and the million dollar question, for netbook which will be the preferred desktop? lxde and xfce can't convince me, openbox is better but without a doubt cinnamond was the great option ... and mate will fall in the same way?

    1.    pixie said

      Xfce is one of the best there is, just like lxde
      Gnome and Kde can be a bit heavy

      1.    cat said

        I support it, although Cinnamon is also somewhat heavy and I would not recommend it for a netbook user

      2.    Chicxulub Kukulkan said

        The only thing I don't like about LXDE is its logo: S.

    2.    elendilnarsil said

      LXDE or OpenBox are excellent for netbooks.

    3.    staff said

      I still don't understand why people discard the most complete and polished DE out there today, KDE.
      Its modularity allows it to be adapted to low-resource PCs (At least with a Manjaro net install ISO I have managed to make it work at a very good speed on an Acer One with 1 GB of RAM).
      Also, if that is not enough you have to take a look at the KLyDE project (KDE official).

    4.    lawliet said

      You need LXDE and XFCE customization tutorials, you should see the changes made to them, look for them on the internet, some look better than even KDE.

  6.   elav said

    This is something that has been criticized by many people and developers, including Clem Lefevbre: GNOME changes things between versions, each release is like an experiment and we care about compatibility with "third party applications". GNOME users will excuse me, but this project sucks.

    The day I have to return to Gtk I will put my trust in Xfce again. What's more, I would like to suggest to your developers that they use other libraries than Gtk, maybe the E17 or Qt ones.

    KDE, every day that passes I love you more ... much more.

    1.    diazepam said

      Forget about suggesting other bookstores. They have no fun rewriting Xfce from scratch.

    2.    Martín said

      I agree, you can agree or disagree with certain decisions, but time proved Canonical right about the follies of GNOME.

      Canonical aims to create an increasingly GNOME-independent desktop, and I see why.

      1.    elav said

        +1 From what I see Qt is the way ... U_U

    3.    elendilnarsil said

      +10000000000000000

  7.   jamin samuel said

    I have said it and I will repeat it:

    Gnome is not interested in collaborating with the forks that others make of the Gnome base…. Gnome has other plans to convert the environment into its own operating system called GnomeOS.

    therefore they carry a FAST workflow and development and do not pretend to look back and wait for the others who are making forks to catch up as they are the guys from Gnome.

    Conclusion: If you want to use GTK stuff, use Gnome Shell and not its forks

    1.    elav said

      The problem is, as much as GNOME wants to have its GNOME OS, many Gtk applications are not directly linked to that project. What's more, we can say right now what GNOME has:

      - Web
      - Rhythmbox
      - Nautilus
      - Totem (I don't know what the hell it's called now)

      Anyway, and the rest of the applications that can be found within the project that I repeat: They are not so many, nor are they the best ... So what are they about? If they turn their back on all the applications out there or don't expect to have compatibility with them, I see them very, very screwed up.

      1.    pandev92 said

        It's called Video LOOL, it's not a joke xd

        1.    elav said

          Well that's the same shit with a different name .. I continue with SMPlayer / MPlayer, VLC and even Dragon Player ..

          1.    pandev92 said

            Any player is better than totem, and dragon player if you use phonon vlc or xine works quite well for me. Although I shoot gnome mplayer with mplayer2

      2.    kike said

        It is true, also do not worry, most applications are still in Gtk2 and they do not plan to pass them to Gtk3, there we have for example the great Firefox.

    2.    He passed through here said

      how fast is relative, they keep giving a version every 6 months https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME#Versions (march, september) as ubuntu.
      That they do not want to collaborate is another issue (with the tendency not to accept backward compatibility, the adwaiata is visible), and not only is the fault of gnome, it is also the forks, from the point of view of the product it should not be very fun that you modify a couple of libraries (which is the possibility that you have) and promote it as another product. I do not demean any DE, but it is simple, everyone criticized it and said let's make another fork, but as already said, if you want it to full you will have to see them with all the libraries there and for having, if people see If he criticized it, he would have sat on the side of the developers actively (at least via email), this situation would not have occurred, and above all the people in front of the projects are human and they react as such, feelings according to what that they see in the middle (but find out that there may or may not be an invisible hand behind). Hopefully in the future this situation will be reversed, but for this a couple of things have to change and a couple of vain rivalries that have been fostered for a few years have to be set aside.
      Greetings.
      I hope I am not misinterpreted, to install unity in arch I have to choose between gnome and unity currently, but it is my decision, that I cannot use the gnome 3.8 [gnome-unstable] that is in testing, as well as I cannot use the xorg 1.14 (also in testing), it is my decision

    3.    urKh said

      For that, they switch to the proprietary model and that's it ...

  8.   itachi said

    This GNOME and its forks already cries out to heaven. Go ahead and screw GNOME; if LXDE, XFCE and KDE are there, they are environments in conditions that are no longer cluttered and offer you a real working tool. Really, this GNOME and its forks already borders on the ridiculous.

    1.    Miguel said

      I liked gnome 2, and I don't like Gnome Shell, LXDE, XFCE, KDE, or Unity

      1.    lawliet said

        And because you don't use matte, the experience is like 95% of that of gnome 2. All the gnome 2 tutorials served me in matte when I used it.

      2.    itachi said

        let's see, things as they are, what you miss is COMPIZ, period, so let's not confuse things. Nobody used GNOME 2 without compiz; or am I wrong? that's what you miss

        1.    alberto said

          I hope that it is actually that and the possibility of editing the bars because if not I do not understand. GNOME2 was just plain fucking shit ...

        2.    taregon said

          I think you hit the nail on the head with the comment, I do miss the compiz 🙁

  9.   dasht0 said

    Even gnome really sucks already, since gnomeshell was implemented; for low-end pcs (like mine) sucks! It really doesn't work, I'm giving LXDE, XFCE a chance

  10.   July said

    THE TRUTH !!!!! I never liked cinnamon, I continue with Mate who is doing very well and with Manjaro 🙂

  11.   hug0 said

    Gnome has become the quintessential relationship breaker since the release of Gnome 3.

    I don't think it's Cinnamon's fault for being "behind", because if we were to make a comparison we would blame Debian for many compatibilities (I see a beating approaching haha).

    That of eliminating compatibility with previous versions is like believing that everyone is dying to use it and that they are the ones who rule the world of desktops.

    I prefer MATE, it is nice, light and is on the right track, I think.

    1.    elav said

      [elav prepares a mother's bat]

  12.   perseus said

    I don't know bro, I think it's both their fault, LM must have considered that before venturing into deep and rough waters. An example of this is that Cinnamon does not work without depending on Nemo or that they did not have the workforce to carry out a project of that size. On the other hand, LM made the bet wrong, he left LMDE aside for Cinnamon ... "I'm looking for crumbs instead of whole bread." #EpicFail.

    Now LM must be careful, Mate is his second great workhorse, how profitable is he? I don't think much, at any moment the project stalls and LM comes to nothing. Cinnamon's days are numbered, what will LM be without his crown jewels? One more distro with different artwork? How contradictory, from becoming No. 1 in Distrowatch to running the risk of ending up as a good thing that could be and will never be? Errors are paid and LM will be quite expensive for the broken dishes ...

    1.    elav said

      Bro, as well I told you here:

      Both Ubuntu and Linux Mint adopted GNOME by default when this project was stable. Stable in the sense that it didn't change its API constantly and version after version, only miniscule changes occurred.

      So that you understand my point of view, I give you a simple example: Let's say you go to the store and buy a Laptop, which at this moment, works with all current drivers and others. Tomorrow the developers of the Kernel or some software decide that they will no longer be compatible with your Laptop. Is it the fault of the hardware manufacturer that what they sold you in the future does not work with what the Software you use?

      Well, Cinnamon is the hardware and GNOME the software, seen in this context. Mark and Clem bet at the time for something that worked .. But we are already seeing the changes, Unity is going to Qt, Cinnamon or evolves or changes libraries .. that remains to be seen.

    2.    GGGG1234 said

      Does anyone have the doubt that LM is a distro that is exaggerated to have it in that place?
      Seriously, it's a distro that doesn't even have its own repositories, an ubuntu leech (in that sense) ...

  13.   Miguel said

    I don't see why to keep a special distro with cinnamon, if one takes 2 minutes to add that shell to manjaro

      1.    cat said

        xDDDDDDDD

        1.    Manual of the Source said

          I'm going to end up putting a note in all my articles that says: "Miguel, if it's not too much trouble, please read the entire article before commenting, thanks." And I will have to put it within the same title because otherwise you will not see it. 😀

          1.    cat said

            jajajajajajaja

  14.   marianogaudix said

    I have read several clowns who say that Cinnamon is going to disappear.
    Those who speak like that are some sell smoke.
    Some say the same from UNITY «» »That it will disappear« », stop childish behaviors and grow up.
    They look like some old neighborhood women speaking badly of the neighbor and wishing the worst because yes.
    Haber, if instead of talking all day they help with code to free software projects.

    With regard to GNOME is a ship without a rudder, one day the GNOME wanted to kill Gnome Classic and another day they say something else and take it out of the dead box.
    GNOME does not have a fixed idea for the future, that provides solutions to developers, it seems that it did everything possible to disturb the lives of other developers.

    1.    eliotime3000 said

      [Written from Windows for work reasons]
      I use Debian and I have not been against this fork except for the delay that this desktop environment has. What's more, I prefer MATE to that pseudo KDE interface.

      As for GNOME 3, I have decided to replace it with MATE when Debian 7 (Wheezy) is released, since it rescues the pleasant experience that GNOME 2 left me and also, I feel more and more comfortable with such a versatile and light interface like GNOME 2 and XFCE (although KDE is almost as heavy as the Windows interface, but outperforms it when it comes to stability).

      Anyway, I pray that MATE is officially included in Debian stable and that it really brings back what GNOME forgot. For now, I am sticking with my Debian Squeeze update 7.

  15.   lawliet said

    Cinnamon should stop relying on Mint, that Cinnamon on an Arch based distro seemed like a good idea to me. But software is not everything and you have to remember that there is an essence in everything and the important thing is the community.

    Obviously they just killed Cinnarch and naturally it will take another name.

    I think that in the end that distribution will find solutions and make nifty extensions for the gnome 3.

    Although distros like Manjaro, ArchBang, Cinnarch, Chakra attract my attention, I think that in the end everything is more complex than it should be. I prefer to keep it simple. Its T…
    Great!

  16.   Matthews said

    Well, it seems bad news to me, since gnome 2 Cinammon left us, it has been the environment with which I have felt the most comfortable. I love Kde as a global desktop, but it stresses me out in the long run. I like Xfce but I am not quite comfortable. LXDE or enlightement seem green to me. And Unity or Gnome shell is just impossible for me to work with. Anyway, I suppose I will have many detractors but I like Cinammon and I hope it has a better future than they predict.

  17.   elendilnarsil said

    I think Gnome died when it made the jump to version 3. Since then it has been blindsided, making incomprehensible decisions, moved under the pretext of innovation, but they have only achieved a strange environment, anything but intuitive and configurable. And this attitude (of not supporting previous versions, and which I was unaware of), I think is the straw that broke the camel's back. It constitutes a betrayal of the user.

  18.   eliotime3000 said

    What happened Cinnamon? You were cool before.
    [Written from Windows for work reasons].

  19.   Juan Carlos said

    I wonder what is the point of making a fork of an environment that is current and being updated? While Gnome is still in full development, what do you have to do then? Delay that development to make the fork happy? I can imagine a meeting between the developers of one and the other: - Cinnamon: «hey, Gnome, don't evolve yet because otherwise I can't move forward»; - Gnome: «Well, Cinnamon, it's fine, I'm not moving forward so you can take your time to fix yourself»….

  20.   deviltroll said

    «Is none other than GNOME itself. Version 3.8 of Miguel de Icaza's desktop », It is true that this guy, the vanguard head of fragmentation in the desktop environment, hits me like a kick in the balls, regardless of the operating system that he uses and / or or the nonsense that he releases from his toad-mouth, but from there to blame him for the evils of Gnome 3.8 with the mere mention of his name to throw shit on him is not acceptable. Vicent would be a much more suitable candidate for this truño put in front of the fan. If I'm wrong and your mention was to give you credit, then you're doing Federico Mena a disservice.

    On the other hand, this was something that could be seen coming, with a desktop from a distro, that the only thing that it has known how to do well (I am not saying that it is the only thing it has done), is to take advantage of the work of others (Ubuntu, Debian, gnome).

    It seems that all the fault lies with Gnome for breaking their apis, and not with the visoñez of the developers who have used this environment in active development as the basis of theirs (inflated egos and capricious tantrums are two species that are very abundant by the worlds of free software).

    Final reflection: It is still curious that the last two entries about cinnamon in this blog come with a slight delay at 2 o'clock that has come out in very Linux, both are by the same author and the ideas expressed in the two do not differ much from those spilled in the original articles. From what sources does El de la Fuente drink?

    1.    Manual of the Source said

      Do not see conspiracies where there are none, I said "Miguel de Icaza's desktop" simply so as not to have to say GNOME again and make it sound redundant, just as I said "the desktop created by Linux Mint" not to say Cinnamon, or "the Arch family distros "not to say Cinnarch and Manjaro. And if I chose to mention Icaza it was because he is the best known of the founders and any reader would know what he was talking about, NOTHING ELSE.

      As for my sources, you can see them at the end of the articles, they are no mystery. I learned about the previous news by reading Somos Linuxeros; in fact, I didn't see MuyLinux's article until after I had published mine (I'm subscribed but I hadn't logged into Google Reader all day). And I did find out about this news by reading MuyLinux and I cited it properly.

      I don't see how the articles could not look alike if we are commenting on the same events. However, if you read the comments of the previous article you will see that several of the ideas presented in this article had already been expressed there and it seemed like a good idea to synthesize them to complement the topic.

  21.   Fernando A. said

    Gnome is the KING .. If others don't want to follow you, do things your way. Since when the problem is gnome when in reality it is the modified copies that cannot follow it.

  22.   Wisp said

    That the dead are left alone ...

  23.   st0rmt4il said

    Well, if we want to make use of Cinnamon look at Linux Mint, otherwise resign ourselves to the current alternatives.

    Anyway, I don't know the truth because instead of making a "union" all these developers end up making each one projects and forks one thing of the other and that is why in my opinion there is so much fragmentation ..

    So far the only project that I see unified, complete and not entirely is KDE.

    But I prefer a minimalist environment like LXDE or a distro asii like Crunchbang 😀

    Regards!

    1.    Manual of the Source said

      For this: https://blog.desdelinux.net/introduce-el-titulo-alarmista-aqui/

      To finish soon, collaborating with GNOME is impossible. They do what they want, they don't listen to opinions, and even code contributions are not welcome.

      I agree that they should not be forks but only because there are so many better desks and there is no need to waste time with it. GNOME was once good but today it is nothing but rubbish.

      1.    Juan Carlos said

        That an environment you do not like, Manuel, does not mean that it is garbage, you are very little objective. It has its flaws, it is true, but from there to being rubbish there is a very long stretch. I could say the same about KDE because it is not my favorite, and I don't because, like everyone else, it has its pros and cons. Yours is no longer serious.

        regards

        1.    Manual of the Source said

          It has 0 usability, the APIs break with each update, they keep taking away options, and the way the project itself is being handled sucks. That's being rubbish to me.

          Note that I am referring specifically to GNOME 3 and its hateful Shell. That doesn't include GNOME 2, Mate, Cinnamon, Consort, etc.

          1.    lawliet said

            Esque also considers the distro you use, a project that probably does not find a clear identity yet and is for the young, using it in a distro like Arch is a risk. Horita that project is a teenager and is half rebellious, but when he reaches adulthood it will probably be something else.

            If you want it to work well, switch to a distro like Debian. That maybe you have.

            With docks, widgets, special keys and extensions you can have a new working desktop model in gnome 3.

            And well, gnome 3 has a minimalist approach, maybe you don't want to adapt your mental structures to this or it is not effective for you.

          2.    Juan Carlos said

            The usability index is quite subjective, proof of this is that there are many of us who use it and at ease. As @lawliet told you, it should perhaps depend on the distribution one uses, although Gnome-shell has the same face and functionality in all.

      2.    Fernando A. said

        And to this one who comes to place sentimentality at all ... where did they get it from?

      3.    st0rmt4il said

        I agree with you manuel ..

        Does anyone know the reason why Alan Mcrae has made a comment that many consider bad towards Manjaro?

        By the way, any project based on Gnome will, in my opinion, be destined to be lost in the not too distant future and even more so now due to so many changes in that environment.

        Thank you!

  24.   Fungus said

    Someone to explain to me because I think Cinnamon is beautiful. Now if there is no stable development group behind it, things are going badly.

    1.    marianogaudix said

      Distributions like Archlinux and its derivatives use the latest GNOME desktop, they are now on GNOME 3.8.

      GNOME and GTK (Libraries used to create GNOME) programmers modify the Gtk API, not giving other developers time to adapt their Forks and applications to GNOME.

      The leaders of the GNOME project do not get along with other FORK programmers like CINNAMON and do not accept the ideas of other programmers. They take radical changes that do not allow the adaptation of other Forks and applications to the new GNOME.

      For example GNOME is on the GNOME 3.8 version and uses the Gtlk 3.8 libraries. Whereas Cinnamon is programmed to work on GNOME 3.6 and cannot run on GNOME 3.8
      Since the GNOME project makes radical changes to the GTK API and the desktop.
      And it does not take time for another fork and developers to adapt, you have to adapt to the new API and that takes time.

      That is why CINNAMON will not be in Cinnarch that uses GNOME 3.8
      in which it is not compatible with CINNAMON 1.6 /1.8 (which works fine in GNOME 3.6).

      1.    pandev92 said

        Cinnamon will not be in cinnarch, because as cinnamon is based on ubuntu and ubuntu will not have gnome 3.8 in 13.04, except for ppa, they are not interested in porting it, but it would be, nothing else.

  25.   Jose said

    The solution for Mint is to go back to the original idea: adopt Gnome Shell and "improve" it with a "cinnamon" extension…. not so complicated to maintain.

  26.   Marcelo said

    I don't see that the gnome people care much what the community says.
    When they were developing gnome 3, many people were against it, because they considered it a radical change with respect to the gnome 2 of a lifetime, and even so, they decided to do it as they wanted, beyond what most of its users thought, and they ended up making that mamarracho designed for tablets, not for desktops.
    Nobody agreed that they removed the compact list view in nautilus, since it was VERY used, but, regardless of what the community said, they removed this functionality to Nautilus, which they have not stopped cutting more and more and make it more and more UNUSABLE.
    Gnome 2, a classic, practical, simple, productive, designed for desktops.
    Gnome 3, a jerk.

    1.    pandev92 said

      Well, I don't see unity as a great desktop designed for computers, really, for me the basic approach for pc's is kde and xcfe, others, using between unity and gnome shell is a matter of personal taste.

  27.   Jose said

    It never rains to everyone's liking. I have adapted to Gnome Shell and I no longer change it for anything. It suits me very well: a nice desktop, fast evolving, serious (without the "compiz" nonsense) and with the guarantee of a good community behind it.

  28.   dbillyx said

    And what end will MATE have as another fork of gnome….

  29.   DanielC said

    1.- Gnome is not Icaza's desk, at least not 3, because when he left the project it was long before it became the path he took.

    2.- Gnome is not to blame for anything, no matter how little backward compatibility it may have, that is its quarrel and it is based on the objectives it has outlined for what we will know as GnomeOS. Because that's just as stupid as saying that Debian should think about what Ubuntu, Snowlinux, and their dozens of other daughters will do based on their system.

  30.   facundo said

    Hi, I'm new to Linux, I would like to know what Linux distribution is that of the image.
    or how to leave my linux exactly the same ..