[Updated in English]: I asked on the site of Elementary OS about how to install Marlin on Debian without asking me for dependencies Ubuntu and very subtly I made a suggestion that I think could be very interesting.
Why Elementary OS instead of being a Operating system full is not some kind of Shell o Complement of the distribution that we use? So that you understand what I mean, I am going to explain myself a bit.
Elementary OS is a group of applications, with a minimalist design that run on Ubuntu. And that is where the main problem lies, that if we do not use the distribution of canonically, we will not be able to enjoy the complete experience that we offer Elementary OS. Why limit to users of other distributions the use of poster, Maya, Marlin, Lingo, Dexter or any of the applications of Elementary OS? Why not gather all these applications and make them neutral, that they do not need any dependency on a specific distribution? In Debian for example, we only have poster in the repositories.
What occurs to me is that they put all that software together in a kind of METAPACKAGE or separately, and installed on any system as if it were a complement to it. This way it doesn't matter if you are a user of Fedora, Arch, Ubuntu o Debian, you can enjoy all the apps and artwork of Elementary OS. Even the distribution that we use could then become: Elementary OS. Do I make myself understood?
What do you think about it? Do we get together and send a letter to the leaders of Elementary OS with this proposal? 😀
English Version.
I asked Elementary OS site about how to install Marlin in Debian without any Ubuntu dependencies, and very subtly I released a suggestion that I think it would be very interesting.
Why Elementary OS rather than a complete operating system could not be a kind of Shell or Extension of the distribution? I will explain myself now.
Elementary OS is a pack of applications with a minimalist design that runs on Ubuntu. And that is the main problem, that if we do not use the Canonical distribution, we cannot enjoy the full experience of Elementary OS. Why cannot users of other distributions use Postler, Maya, Marlin, Lingo, Dexter or any other Elementary OS application? Why don't we gather all these applications and make them neutral, so they will not require any dependencies on a specific distribution? On Debian for example, we only have Postler in the repositories.
What comes to my mind is that all this software can be put together in a sort of META PACKAGING or even separately, so they could be installed on any system like if it were an extension. This way, it will not matter if you are a user of Fedora, Arch, Ubuntu or Debian, you could enjoy all the applications and the artwork of Elementary OS. Even the distribution that we would be using could then become Elementary OS. Do you understand what I mean?
What do you think about it? Why don't we gather and send a letter to the leaders of Elementary OS with this proposal?
HOYGA seems like a very good idea to me. Dan Rabbit tells you there that the only real dependency he has with Ubuntu is the libindicate. It would be good to have a tutorial on how to install "elementary" in another distro.
Ps: elva's english is fun hahaha
Juaz juaz ... It's not my English, it's Google Translator's, and look at how I try to make it work as best as possible hahahahaha .. I tried to compile Marlin and it not only depends on libindicate, it also needs things from Unity, Gtk3 ... anyway. .
Hahaha you called her Elva, which is an aunt's name hahahahahaha. Now I know how to call him when he calls me emo hahahahahahaha
Hahaha you save yourself that you are thousands of kilometers from Cuba, child, because you earned a ostia (or is it hostia?) That you were going to shit.
It is indeed Host
Do you want me to send it? JAJAJAJAJAJA poor if they receive a letter from me JAJAJAJAJAJAJA.
I had not seen it that way, I find yours an interesting point of view
Well, according to DanRabbit told me for Arch I think there are packages .. So you don't have to write anything yourself 😛
I agree completely! Hopefully it can be done, I no longer like having ubuntu repositories right now, but for certain things it is essential ... Let's see if we can change this! If you have to sign something, count on me! 😀
Voucher!!! 😀
And you pass my translation like shit !!!
Not like that either, it's just that I (to whom you sent the email reminding him that the post was ready) have had quite a few personal complications, that's why I hadn't had time to take a look ... okay, you've earned it: "My apologies" 🙂
I just read your answer, elav, let's see if tomorrow (in Spain it's almost one in the morning) I can send you a translation of the article so you can send it to him, ok?
Uff that would be great 😀
In Crunchbang I remember having Postler without additional repos (and #! Is Debian Stable). The same in Debian is enough to put the Crunchbang Statler repo.
In fact, as I said in the article, Postler is the only ElementaryOS application that we can find in Debian, and I have tested it. 😀
Ah! Then great! 😉
I think you are more bald than to say it again (and I do not mean your haircut)
* The Marlin thing has more to do with debian and its packages than with ElementaryOS
* ElementaryOS is a distribution based on Ubuntu, NOT AN OPERATING SYSTEM.
* Do I have to find you again the definition of Operating System?
For your information 2 things:
1- It is clear to me that it is a distribution, and that it is an Operating System. It is simply the habit of viewing an entire distro as an OS. Don't be so fucking heavy !!!
2- That there are certain packages (such as gtk3 libraries) that are not yet in Debian I understand, but there are others (Unity libraries) that are not, nor will they be in Debian. And that is where the user is limited.
SO is SO and distro is distro, bread bread and wine wine, why can they be installed on archlinux and not on debian? i think you should ask that on debian forums and not screw elementaryOS.
Please read the letter to EsDebian instead of opening your mouth
I am not referring to esDebian, but to an official debian site for complaints / questions / suggestions.
Does it mean that you can go through life fucking and I can't? Well, it peels me .. 😛
No! you can fuck all you want, but try to do it with valid arguments.
And don't you think my arguments are valid? Because you would be the first then ..
elav, don't make me install those elementaryOS things on my file, just to take pictures of it and show you that it can be installed in other distros and that it is a problem with packages in Debian and not that those applications are exclusive for buntus. The packages you mention are in the AUR repos.
If you read the comments you may have noticed that in effect, DanRabbit told me that for Arch it is.
Exactly you give me the reason, the problem is with debian and not with elementaryOS
Let's see, there is peace.
These packages are not in Arch, that is, they are not in Pacman, but in AUR, which indicates that it is a community issue, not the distro itself, so the problem is the same as in Debian. I think elav is right, if they are supported it would have to be by the distro itself, since they don't have AUR.
In my opinion, they should be supported, because they are high quality programs, above all, and always from my point of view, Postler.
Of course, there is always, as KZKG ^ Gaara says, the source code, but it is always better to ensure that the packages are officially tested and supported.
If the .tar.gz are available, it is a matter of downloading and compiling them yourself ... that obviously, assuming that it is not in the AUR, which I doubt 😀
The problem is that as far as I understand, Elementary OS achieves its appearance and functionality by modifying the code of some packages and adding some applications.
In the case of package modification, there is, for example, the famous "Nautilus elementary" (which gave rise to and popularity to this project); It is not a gtk theme nor is it a Nautilus "Gui", but a modification to its code that ends up reorganizing its functions and elements, giving it a new (and for many better) appearance and a simplification of its functions. And in the case of adding new applications, they have created several such as Dexter and Postler.
But a Shell, as far as I understand it, works in a different way, since it does not modify the application packages or add other applications, but rather draws intraction interfaces with the users of the applications with which it is able to interact (if its programming allows it. ).
Maybe I am wrong (and I would appreciate if you would correct me if that is the case) but I think that being different things, the elemntary project is far from being a shell or desktop environment, since it is not even a window manager like, for example, Enlightenment .
Greetings.
I used the term Shell as an example. It is clear that ElementaryOS is not a Shell nor will it function as a Shell. I just said it so that you could imagine something that runs on the distribution without depending on it.
In any case, who should be a complement and not a distribution is Linux Mint
http://www.com-sl.org/comparando-linux-mint-y-elementaryos.html
We are not talking about the same thing, although it could also be.
Well, I think Burjans' comment makes a lot of sense. If you add the Mint repositories to the corresponding version of ubuntu and configure it, you already have Mint. And if you add the LMDE repos to Debian and configure a bit, you already have LMDE (easy to do or not, it doesn't matter, I'm just saying it's possible). I think it wouldn't be difficult to understand that as "complement something." If Mint provided repositories with packages ported to other distros it would have an analogous result, or am I wrong?
In the case of Elementary I think it would not be so different.
Man, but if we look at it that way, why isn't Ubuntu just a group of packages added to Debian? 😀
I think it is different, since as you well know, it is not enough to add the Ubuntu repos to Debian, to obtain an Ubuntu, since the latter is not based on only one of the development cycles of the Debian versions as such , but in the code of more than one cycle (generally combining sid and experimental). This is why Debian repos don't appear (and are in fact integrally incompatible) in Ubuntu versions.
You can add a few PPAs to Debian with good results, but it is not possible (with good results) to add the official Ubuntu repos. It is also not possible (with good results) to add debian repos to Ubuntu.
Of course the Canonical distro is based on Debian and couldn't be, as it is, without it. But that dependency does not function as a "complement."
In the case of Linux mint (and perhaps also with Elemntary OS) their way of being based on Ubuntu is different, since they do not dispense with the repositories that shape the distro-base, but rather add others, increasing and improving their possibilities and functions (but not replacing or rebuilding the base). hence this can be considered a complement.
If it wasn't, then it wouldn't have been necessary for Mint to develop a branch like LMDE (incompatible with LM). Similarly, for the same reasons outlined in the previous paragraphs, LMDE could indeed be understood as a Debian "add-on" ...: or have you, at some point, not added the LMDE repos to your debian without any problem?
I hope you have been able to explain me and my comment is not understood as a thoughtless defense of Ubuntu, much less a disqualification of LM, because in fact what LM has done seems great to me: both in its main version, and in LMDE (the I have used two on several occasions).
Each distro has its objectives and its ways of achieving them; and each user has their needs, expectations and possibilities of use and satisfaction. In my case, I am not affiliated with any distro that I have used, nor do I feel repudiated by any of them, either.
Greetings.
Your comment is more than clear, but at the same time that common packages begin to be modified to work in LM, this is separating from Ubuntu. What would be the logical solution? For example, if Mint modifies a package, add it to the Ubuntu repo and that's it, but doing this, adapted to the particular interests of each distro for the operation of the package, could conflict with one of them. I don't know if what I'm trying to say is clear. What's more, I put it in an example:
Suppose LM needs the package: gnome2-ubuntu.deb (it's a fabrication for the example). With this LM package you can run MATE on LM 12. However, as Ubuntu uses Gnome3 and Unity, that package might conflict with gnome2-ubuntu.deb, and that's where the nasty is formed, because Ubuntu doesn't to include in your repositories and Mint needs it. This is where they begin to separate as distributions.
+1
😀
Man, Mint pretends to fix a lot of Winb bugs, I say Ubuntu
@Courage Tranqui with my Ubunchu, that you would start to have problems with me also apart from elav 😉
I feel that this would be a good read for some users around here .. ¬¬
Hahahaha, if he had already run into her.
There are situations and cases, I have used, (in that order) the following distros: Mandriva, Kubuntu, Fedora, Archlinux, Ubuntu, LMDE and PcLInuxOS, not counting the times that "I have gone and returned to each one of them". I have also used KDE, XFCE, Gnome and LXDE, (OpenBox only on LivesCDs), and it has been, if I remember correctly, almost 5 (happy and lovely) years since I got to "Linux", so if I haven't experimented yet enough, I think I have already been able to build an overview of all these options.
Today, I belong to the Ubuntusers and I feel very good for the moment, who knows what new or old distro will fall back on my PC-lap in a few days, months or years. Each distribution has its charms and disappointments and I would dare to say that they all fascinated me, of course I also have my favorites, Arch, Ubuntu and Fedora, and as for Unity, Gnome2 and KDE4 "environments", also in that order ;-) .
Personally, the fundamentalism that we sometimes demonstrate by "X" topic or thing is due to the great need that human beings have to feel that we belong to something or to some group, ethnic group, etc. So it is understandable to show that attitude that sometimes borders on fanaticism.
Greetings.
@Perseus. I agree with you in the way of seeing the diversity of distros (as possibilities of choice, knowing that each one has its "charms and disappointments").
(By the way, I also found the respectful way of expressing your opinion very appropriate)
regards
@ thirteen Hahaha, it was my 5 minutes of lucidity during work 😛
Excellent idea, that of metadisters for me the most elegant solution that can be done, just add a couple of repositories and that's it.
I agree it could even be one more desktop environment that we can use in any distro
for my part, I have used all the linux distros that I have heard of, looking for the one that suits me and works for me. My biggest problem with linux in general has been the fucking video drivers (especially nvidia) when using more than one screen, when I had to update the kernel, you have to compile again and edit the fucking xorg and that requires time that already I have not.
But when I found out that the eOS distro was ready I installed it immediately and it was surprising that I configured the three screens that I use when entering the graphical configuration panel and without having to install any fucking additional package. I was testing the w8 and what do you think, the wea was infected.
I found myself with linux thanks to this distro that is an OS, even if it is based on Ubuntu, its packages can be installed in other distros to make them look like ElementaryOS, but it is not the same and I say it based on years using linux since the The first distros that I used, which was Mandrake and later became Mandriva, Red-Hat - Fedora, Devian - Ubuntu - Kubuntu and all the ... buntus, many Mint that there are, others like Backtrack - Kali, and many more. There is one that did not last and it was a good idea to encourage those who only know MS to the Linux world and that was Lindows, could not win what a pity, fucking MS.
I recently installed this operating system on a laptop and something very curious happens to me, when I use it connected to the charger the system works smoothly and correctly but when I disconnect it from the charger the system becomes slow and loses all fluidity. Can somebody help me?