Ok, free software users. My tongue is very sharp and the keyboard is about to get hot. At the beginning of the XNUMXth century, Uruguay was known as something more than a buffer state between Brazil and Argentina. It was a country at the forefront of legislation: separation of church and state, divorce, female vote, being a social democratic country (before the arrival of the Bolshevik revolution), etc. Today, if someone continues to call us "The Switzerland of America" it is because we are almost a tax haven (I know who I am referring to).
In terms of promoting free software, we have the Ceibal Plan, but recently a proposal emerged that would mean one more progress. It is a bill that states that all state documents (the 3 powers, and a lot of other organisms), already disclosed in closed formats, that are also disclosed in at least one open format. In addition to open is going to be preferred in terms of contracting software licenses and exchanging information with the state. And of course, teach how to use free software in the schools. We are making progress? Well, just recently the bill was approved in the Chamber of Deputies. Now it will go to the Senate Chamber and if it is approved (and is not vetoed by the president)We have law and RMS we teach him to dance candombe.
What happens now? The Uruguayan Chamber of Information Technologies (hereinafter CUTI) declared to be worried because if this project is approved, «it could increase state spending and does endanger the growth of the ICT industry«. I'm going to list the following quotes from that statement:
- «The free software licensing model is one more; we do not understand that you should have a preference specific about others »
- «In general, the cost of a technological solution is made up of licensing, technician training, installation, support and a number of adaptations or" customizations "that have to be made to that solution for its implementation. «
- “Nowadays, in many tenders that the State does, bidders can compete proposing solutions based on free software, and it is good that this is the case. However, in practice, depending on the case it may be the best or the worst solution; so we do not see that it is appropriate to establish preferences and benefit one licensing model over another »
- «Establishing a preference in favor of a free software model would be counter-productive both for industry and for the State. Why would it be counterproductive for the state? Because not necessarily the cost of the entire free software solution will be the least high«
- “Nor do we see that it is easily applicable, because today there are already many solutions in all areas of the State that are not based on free software. So if all those solutions were forced to migrate to free software solutions, the cost and headache would be enormous for the state«
- «This law would further aggravate the problem that already exists today: lack of human resources in the ICT sector. Start using free software in the State would force to generate a litter of professionals in free software that today is not available, it is difficult to obtain and, furthermore, it is something very expensive. Therefore I would follow worse the situation of the sector with respect to human resources. "
- «There are those who believe that free software is about a lot of volunteers who spend their time creating solutions from home. And while there are many volunteer cases, virtually all large and complex free software solutions they have behind companies who spend a lot of money developing and expanding them for profit. So free software it's not for profit. Generally, the models of companies that live around free software they do not charge for licensing, but yes for everything that has to do with its installation, support and services. "
- “Therefore, encouraging a free software industry in Uruguay is counterproductive due to the human resource limitations we have. We need to scale our exports, our sales, based on products we can license, more than in services and man hours that we can provide around, because we are neither Brazil nor India, which have a critical mass of man hours. "
- «Educational institutions always have to educate their students in the best possible way in the knowledge of platforms or software according to market needs«
- «I think that forcing a free software option to be given is a waste of resources, of the student's time - who probably you will not be able to use it in the market -and the teachers. That is why I believe that educational institutions should be free to meet the needs of the market and meet them in the best possible way. I can't find the positive aspect of forcing or prioritizing to something that will not be required«
- «The Uruguayan Chamber of Information Technologies is seriously worried for the approval of this bill in the Chamber of Deputies and hopes that it will be analyzed more carefully by the Chamber of Senators, so that decisions are not made that could be seriously counterproductive for the country. "
Now we are going to answer each of these quotes: I am going to base myself on the response published by the Uruguayan Pirate Party to that statement, and more specifically on the draft responses that Sebastian Ventura wrote (who was in charge of putting together this document)
- Licensing models they are not the same and they don't know. Just compare any EULA with any free software license. That is why the state, as a software consumer, looks for which licensing is best for it.
- ALL technological solutions have that, INCLUDED those of proprietary software. Therefore that excuse does not work.
- Translation We believe that the only important thing when choosing something is how much good. We must not consider neither money, nor the ability of others to modify the code nor security, nor training, nor the duty of the state to be transparent, nor the freedoms it gives people, nor the security that gives the citizen to know what the government uses, nor the idea that the government contributes to projects that help the world. None of that can be considered. You can only consider how much something is useful.
- In other words: Knowing that Free Software may not be free and that Proprietary Software can be (freeware) Are you telling me that proprietary can be cheaper? Even counting what had to be paid for having an operating system?
- Translation: Migrating between proprietary solutions has the fundamental advantage that it produces a milder headache than switching to a free software-based solution ………………..ANDAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!
- I suppose that We were all born using Windows and Microsoft Office. truth? Following this reasoning, why do we need professionals who know how to use Oracle, when we already have many more people who know how to use MySQL?
- So using free software makes companies more interested in free software that makes there more money in programs of that style? And that is BAD for the industry? I think Mark Shuttlework must have been more offended by this than when RMS said Ubuntu is Spyware.
- In other words: You earn more money licensing software than creating customized solutions for clients. Also, where Uruguay is best managed in IT is in SERVICES, not in creating new programs that sell. What's more, it's actually in direct customer service, like creating a program or modifying such a thing.
- I already felt offended as a student, then they complain that Latin American universities create more consultants than professionals………… as we say in the Student Federation: EDUCATION IS NOT FOR SALE, FUCK !!!!!!!!!
- Hardcore FUD. He is talking about training, not education. Training is short-term.
- All this for going around mixing the concept of free software with that of free software, in addition to not having the most fucking idea of how the computer industry is today.
Anyway, gentlemen users. If this project is approved, I will write you a few other things regarding that.
The concerned CUTI: http://www.cuti.org.uy/novedades/2701-preocupacion-de-cuti-ante-proyecto-de-software-libre-aprobado-en-diputados.html
The PPU responds: http://partidopirata.org.uy/2012/12/comunicado-de-prensa-respuesta-a-carta-de-la-cuti/
Well, it seems to me that forcing or making the only option is a single type of licensing. Be free or not. It's like very democratic. Why not live in peace both? Both are equally good contributions.
Although I admit that if my country legislated the use of Free Software for the entire territory. It would be great xD Equal here the "fathers of the country" would come out to make idiotic excuses like these, and answers like these would also come out.
Here it does not say anything about a single option. The law says "that they be disclosed, also in, at least, an open format."
And about purchased software, he says: "preference will be given to free software licenses [...] in the event that proprietary software is chosen, the reason must be established." The law says that the free is preferred but does not exclude the owner.
@Jlcmux, hello I do not know in your country but in Spain there are three types of educational centers: public, concerted and private.
The public is paid to teachers and equipment with public money and any student has access for free.
The agreement is paid to teachers, building and equipment with a company, but the state makes a contribution therefore they are obliged to admit any student for free.
The private party pays for everything with private money and the students who want to enter have to pay.
There are more differences, but if we leave it there, imagine that the mentality existed as you propose it in a matter of education. The logical reasoning would be: why does the state have to put money in public and concerted education, but not in private? The logical thing is that the state allows the coexistence of all making financial contributions to the 3 models, EVEN THOUGH in the third type they do not let any student enter and make them pay. "Why not all three of them live in peace?"
The proprietary software "does not let you in" to see the code and also makes you pay, which in my opinion is not fair access to two providers and trying to equate them is a fallacy. The state should only promote, invest, pay with our money for software whose code is public.
Another example that I always liked: let's imagine that the state is paying a company to record, register and store the official gazettes and the dispatches and the milk of the different government bodies. And if we wanted to access this data, the company (which has already charged) would ask us and the state for money for access too !!!
Everyone would put their hands to their heads right? Well that's what it looks like to me when Hundreds of states pay Micro $ oft for Word but Micro $ oft won't let us see their program code. Do you think it has not been amortized?
Can I go live in your country? I'm right there, in Paraguay ..
Although .. regarding the gay marriage law that is also being analyzed .. wakala .. hehe ..
Hopefully here they also begin to give more importance to Soft. Free, they are beginning to take a few timid steps, with Ubuntu 9.04 !! in the National University..
Look at him. He likes freedom and is homophobic. What ironies life has.
"Look at him" hahahahaha very good.
In fact, being free means also having the right to be homophobic, in my opinion.
It is difficult to define that of freedom. Because well .. You have the right to be homophobic but and the freedom to be gay and to marry your love?
When an attentive freedom with another freedom what? They are immense debates that surely we will never solve.
It is one thing to say that homosexuals are disgusting, it is another to say that they should not have the right to marry. I don't know which of the two visions has Versionitis.
According to I have read one is free when it recognizes the freedom of others, and their equality of conditions as human beings xD but what do I know ………. 😛
Regarding the subject, it seems to me excellent that they support free software initiatives in Latin America, governments should not waste people's money on windoze licenses, corruption is enough. It is perfectly valid to use free software in all dependencies, offices and other areas that do not have exclusive applications of windoze, an example is that of Munich.
I have always had that doubt, are homosexuals faithful to their partner?
Well, one is free when he is at peace with himself, if something or someone bothers me because of his way of being or his lifestyle, it means that he is not well with himself and therefore that person is not free.
I do not hate anyone, I simply do not agree with the way some people live, but that does not mean that I am afraid of them or that I can not talk kindly with those people, I simply do not agree with their way of life, period. .
One is free as far as your imagination allows it and the laws should not record, determine or censor where your freedom begins or ends.
Freedom is the ability to do what you want when you want and how you want as long as you do not harm yourself or others.
You have complete freedom to be, but it is quite hypocritical to seek the freedom of software and see in a bad way the freedom of others regarding sexuality and marriage ...
And for when the marriage between humans and animals? Come on, come on ... complete freedom or nothing. You have to be more progressive geez!
I still hope to marry my computer
I too would marry my Notebook ..
But for that I have to finalize my divorce (from my human wife) hehehe ..
I believe that marriage should be by mutual agreement. If there is an adult animal that wants to marry you, you have my approval (but it must endorse it with a clear signature).
hahaha, good answer
I would like to clarify, being against gay marriage does not mean being against homosexuals and therefore does not equal homophobia. I'm from the center-right and I'm in favor of everyone being with whoever they want, in fact I don't even have anything against polygamy (see? I'm even more liberal than you) but in no case do I think it could be considered marriage, something that goes outside the environment of man with woman. I hope I have explained myself well.
We could change marriage for marriage :-P. In my opinion the word marriage has become obsolete. "Mother's office" sounds harsh.
Marriage is 2 human beings who, in the face of the law, appear together and share responsibilities
They have every right to marry, Maybe not by church, that depends on what the priest says, but marry legally, if they can
I still do not consider marriage as a natural institution. The natural institution would rather be courtship
Rainbow_fly, and the definition you just invented, where did you get it from, from Doraemon xD's pocket?
Gay marriage will have to wait until April. Voting postponed
Very good initiative, I hope they manage to do it and stop giving money to the United States, they cannot live in Latin America forever ...
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The matter is good. Especially when you don't know what will come of this, a success, or a complete catastrophe. Of course I support free software, but it can also be a double-edged sword, especially in a country where resources are scarce. I hesitate even. Of course, if around here in Costa Rica they said something like that, surely we would wake up at a bonfire with a lot of flags with colored windows reading an EULA with all the specifications of our execution for having broken the umpteenth point of the contract for the use of words .
Actually, I don't know what to make of this. If a fanboy at work gets Ubuntu 10.04 and it's already a toothache, imagine the total migration to free alternatives.
Free software is always better than the other in every way. I believe that the individual must always be free to be able to discern and choose. But in order to do this first, the individual must be fully aware of what it means to be free, otherwise that freedom does not serve him. Therefore apprehension is imposed.
Now when we talk about the "States", this is another question, because the States handle the money of all citizens, therefore here reality and savings prevail, with which we must choose the best option. cheap, which in this case is always free software, which, in addition to being cheaper, is better. When I speak of "States" I am referring to countries with democratic values.
Very true I am Uruguayan and the truth they embarrass me acaaaaa nobodyeeee understands a damn, nothing at all with respect to a keyboard
The truth seems to me that this is what always happens corruption and they want to do it their way and fight a few Uruguayans saying nonsense that not half the dd have any idea what it is, it is very easy
For this project to come out it must have at least one tax, otherwise… And Pepe is a coward! The front a bag of cats and long live the bureaucracy! Lopez Mena the Uruguayan Yabrán! In few words Uruguay Siglo 21.
From this moment I begin to comment on Uruguayan politics ……….
Please correct the title, it is not the URUGAYO State it is the «URUGUAYO» State
thanks. i ate u
Well… These are the best themes to start flamewar. Too bad the readers of this blog are cured I do not know how against trolling.
In truth Acute Versionitis was the one that started it, putting the gay marriage project in the colander. Anyway, that is nothing compared to the flamewar that could be done if Argentine politicians were involved.
Yes, but that implies that the posts are more boring, a bit of trolling and flames give life to the blogs.
Hahaha +1000.
I must admit that I do not like to be provoked and that I involuntarily became one ……………………. I FUCKED !!!!!!!
Excellent note!
The truth makes me think about many things, but I think that for the moment, since it is just a proposal from a country other than mine (Mexico), I must respect and listen to Uruguayans for their positions. I will only say that I find it very interesting and very important to follow.
Now, in a matter of information and data, as we see that Russia was also migrating to Linux options (I can't quite remember the note) and Reimoond's SEO coming out to say that "SECURITY" and, by God, everyone laughed. But let's look at an interesting fact: in 2012 the Android platform (with a linux-based kernel) was the most attacked in malware and viruses. What was once said, "There is no 100% secure computer system and GNU / Linux is not the exception" since now that Linux is beginning to find a greater share of the market (Android, Jolla, Ubuntu, FirefoxOS, etc), is now when we will see a greater amount of attacks. Although of course, the vast majority of successful attacks are by apps or information provided by the same user.
All of this is something that I think the Uruguayan legislature will have to face. But in favor I will say that being Free Software, because people can take a look at the code, and report security flaws, or use it for the benefit of their own development, since the software is not owned by the state, if not by a nation Whole that software pays through its taxes.
I'll be following the note. Very interesting diazepan
It seems a bit absurd to me what the State intends if it does not make a good study but it is a beautiful idea, as far as the solutions are private software, I say where they leave those said applications ensure that they work with Windows 7 or 8 assured them that they would not run what happens those applications that are good but surely they were planned a long time ago example will be foxpro, visual basic 6 also have to migrate, I live here in Uruguay and I have noticed these applications, it is more the Cuti camera than in case I did a course on They in java, I don't think they are so backward doing one thing and the other we go java is multiplatform, but simple if they want to program private things that do it through the web, you still access from firefox and the software even if it is private should be the solution for What I think is that CUTI has many partners and not wanting to detach from Microsfot hurts a lot, the point of the portal an extension to a new platform is great, the same gener I use it so that said platform or system you have is ported.
This, as I said before, is nice as it sounds, but you have to look carefully at the pros and cons in case what CUTI has raised is meaningless and absurd, if they had more fundamentals, I would believe them, but it seems to me that what happens is a fear of change. everything.
I trust those giles of the CUTI will be ignored
Uruguay continues to be an example of social progress in South America
hopefully here in Argentina a plan like this will be carried out ... here they give away netbooks with windows and they put a shitty distribution of gnu / linux so that the boys do not use it ... to top it all the public administration is handled with closed soft, and I am funny is that private companies use gnu / linux! Fuck you if the other day in Fravega I saw that they had Debian on all the employees' computers! and with XFCE !!
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Summary of the statement by the CUTI:
The market rules, the almighty market decides what is useful and what is not, the omnipresent market decides what has value and what is not. Therefore, education must be expressly directed to satisfy the market.
How did such a reactionary entity as the CUTI sneak into public institutions, that Uruguay at the legislative vanguard?
"How did such a reactionary entity as the CUTI get into public institutions, that Uruguay at the legislative vanguard?"
You know, the same thing I was asking myself.
The truth is, I have had the opportunity to try the ceibalitas here and the primary ones are shit but the secondary school ones are great they bring ubuntu with gnome 2 and they are very good
No, all the XOs (the Zeibal plan computers) come with an adapted version of the fedora. The difference between those of the school and those of the high school (at the software level) is that the secondary ones come with gnome installed and the others do not.
On the other hand, I think that the ceibal plan is something that has a very bad implementation and that it is just a way to buy votes from the government (it is my humble opinion, they gave me one and I am one of the few morons who use it for something, the all other computers have a blue effect treated on the screen).
all x the twine, the proprietary soft will die along with capitalism.
Dear friend, it seems to me that just like in my country (PR) and in many more these people are speaking for their own benefit and speaking to the Senate in this way so that they think that a crisis is going to form both in the schools, in the Government and in the economy. Spoken terrorism, that's all. At least they are looking for ways to help the country and make progress in that area, here what they seek is to enrich the friends of politicians and leave between each change of government some other political spy and a majority of the opposite party to be make it more difficult for the current government to do things right. They don't do things for the people, everything is partisanship. Our case is sad.
Let's not confuse public with free.
Public Education and the State are Public entities, but they ARE NOT FREE, in any case they are SOLIDARY PREPAYMENT, that is, we finance it by ALL taxpayers, with TAXES. Or at least all of us who are obliged to pay taxes and that we do not evade, either with the salary tax, VAT, Primary tax, etc., etc., etc.
Therefore, taxpayers should be able to choose how to spend OUR money and not leave it to the "whim" (cough, cough accommodation, bribe, commission, cough, cough, etc), of some head of public entity with decision-making power.
I can think of better destinations for OUR taxes than the payment of Closed and Private Software Licenses, both to local companies and developers (the least), as well as to multinationals (the most, read Windows, MS Office, etc.).
Another BURRADA ...
It is said that Free Software is not free, because you have to pay for technical support and companies in charge of it;
as if with the Closed and Privative Software these costs did not exist.
I do not know of ANY company that works with Closed and Privative Software, that gives their Technical Support FREE.
NO THANKS, I prefer to INVEST, in training, training and development with Free Software.
Mini-entrepreneurs and sole proprietorships that must interact with the State are also left out.
NO ONE CAN BE FORCED to use Closed and Private Software.
Much less to force directly or indirectly to use them in an Unauthorized or Illegitimate way (as it is currently in most cases).
Today, many declarations of DGI and BURROCRATICOS PUBLICOS procedures can only be done under Windows and with CLOSED and PRIVATIVE Programs.
This is simply a BURROCRATIC BURRADO.
There are things that can only be done using Internet Explorer and Windows and with Adobe programs.
In any case, it should be clarified that I AM NOT OBJECTIVE, because I am a VERY HAPPY mini-entrepreneur who owns a Printing Office and works EXCLUSIVELY with Free Software and Linux, because they are the ONLY thing I can work with in an HONEST, PROFESSIONAL and 100% LEGITIMATE way.
Because I'm stubborn and I decided to try for myself, despite what the pseudo-standard of the industry set.
A psudostandard that forced me to clone a Closed and Privative helicopter, to walk freely through a fenced park and at night.
NO THANKS.
I prefer Free Software with Linux, because I can use them however I want, when I want, where I want and for what I want and I repeat:
HONESTLY, PROFESSIONAL and 100% LEGITIMATE.
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