A long time ago, I don't remember where, I read an article by a former Archlinux user, who claimed that he was leaving GNU / Linux after 5 years of use by Mac as he needed a better platform to work with.
According to each of these three operating systems has a specific function within the world of computing, which would be:
<° Windows: to play.
<° Linux: to learn (and only to learn).
<° Mac: for professional use and work.
Now, then he explains that although GNU / Linux has enormous potential, it has several disadvantages that place it behind its two opponents. According to the editor (I insist, I do not remember or get the article) in GNU / Linux there is too much freedom and fragmentation, too many distros and that users did not need that freedom because they did not know what to do with it and therefore they underused it.
He held that; it was better to have a strict and closed system that offered you everything you needed to function and that it would not let you do what you wanted with it since, really, you were not going to do anything beyond normal ... That it was better to have a system unified and centralized and that giving up that freedom offered greater benefits and advantages that GNU / Linux did not.
It said, in paraphrase since I do not remember textual:
"People are not interested in freedom, many are willing to sacrifice it to obtain a professional quality product, that is why they are not interested in GNU / Linux, because they do not need so much freedom"
Then he argued that the truth is that the best option for GNU / Linux was to unify everything in a single and enormous system that could compete with the others to obtain a greater market share, that it was better to restrict oneself at the level of freedoms and have a unified system to be able to get a better product ...
Ok, good that he has the balls to say the things that come out of the lining, but I have them too and I strongly disagree with all of this mentioned above.
It should be noted that I am not a free software Taliban or anything like that, but I do have reservations with this system.
First of all I have to make it clear that to work and produce, the most accurate and concrete system is Linux (I no longer put GNU because it is a technicality).
I don't know how many here remember that the best system for servers and the one with the most overwhelming figures is Linux, where it surpassed Windows Server by exorbitant margins and where MacOS doesn't even dare to appear with its much acclaimed "functionality and stability" (put it next to Debian and tell me who is more stable).
Second, for a company to be able to use Windows or MacOS as a work environment, it has to get off the mule as we say in Venezuela, because Windows licenses are not economical or practical since a "Starter" version is equal to a "Professional" only than with capped capabilities and less pre-installed stuff. That simple And even worse, if you want to use MacOS for production in a business, the costs are going to go through the roof because you need not only to buy the system but the entire machine for the system, which, at least costs you an eye of the face and two virgins in sacrifice. On the other hand, adapting a distro for an entire work environment will only cost you the specialized technician, which in the long run is ten times cheaper than any of the previous ones.
At the level of office applications, because I don't even have to refer to the subject because we know that LibreOffice can meet the demands of an office with complete peace of mind, the only downside is its poor compatibility with castrative formats, sorry, proprietary .doc or .docx formats .
At the level of graphic design, it also has to compete in an interesting way, although it certainly lacks many things in that aspect, but for web design, 3D design, vector and illustration it has enough points in favor.
For a programming environment? Not to mention, Linux is king for this kind of thing. A programmer tells you.
So, I think that until now that "each system is only good for one thing" is quite relative and as an argument has foundations of paper.
But if something touched my balls, it was precisely the part where "giving up freedom for a better product" was mentioned. # !! # $ ”& $ (Q / #” You have to be a beast to say such a prank! Have you ever wondered how many of those who buy a Mac, a Windows license (or hack this one) really know that What is freedom and what can they get in an operating system? I do not know if I explain myself, but really, most of the users of those operating systems do they even have an idea that it is freedom to dare to say that they consciously renounce it for a better product? Is that it crushes me when they say such things; first of all most people are full of paradigms about Linux and they think that it is only for experienced hackers and that the terminal is a beast that spits fire and hydrochloric acid to every being that dares to click on it.
I have always said it, people use those two systems because they are the ones that have the most publicity, because they have both been in charge of throwing excrement at each other and because both have also made comments such as "Linux is a cancer", as well that it is not really that they prefer to substitute a good product for their freedom, but that they have no idea that cucumbers is freedom… Ah! Sure, I do not forget, Sacrifice your freedom for blue screens and viruses everywhere? Sure, they are doing great ...
Last but not least… Unify all Linux to be able to compete in one market? But who said that we compete for a higher market rate? Yes, there are some distros like Ubuntu that do, but they offer freedoms that the other two systems would not even dream of offering, they offer them for free and they give a higher quality product, or at least the same quality that they offer.
This "Unifying" Linux would be like ripping out the soul of a human being, it is not possible, it is the essence of our world, the freedom not only to choose a system, but also an environment, applications, configurations and a huge etcetera of things ... It is simply not possible, it cannot, an Arch User will not want to leave his Arch, one from Debian or Ubuntu either ... Gentlemen this is something stupid even to think, that would simply be turning us against exactly what we fight, the idea is not only counterproductive but totally illogical.
In short, this said by that author has no place anywhere, I respect his opinion but I cannot share it. How about you?
See you soon Linux
That !, thank you !.
Let's divide your article into two parts. 1 in which you comment on the article of the type that, and 2 in which you express your opinion. Well, as I read 1, you were thinking just what you put in 2.
Anyway, the guy is right in saying that some users and blogs (only some) are dedicated to praising their choice and discussing with others, etc. I really only criticize Ubuntu for its last decisions, even so all the statements for me are perfect.
En this topic From the forum of the Hispanic LM community (it is a deviant topic as you can see) there are also allusions to this whole matter, it is not the first time nor will it be the last that I hear about this.
A slaudo.
My criterion has been, is and will be that everyone uses the system that suits them, the one that seems most comfortable, the one that solves the problem they want to solve, for that there is the freedom to choose, of course, free decisions they can lead to paying a certain amount of money and not being able to do "whatever you want" with the product you buy. For some to say that one system is better than others, it is simply a matter of having solved the problem for them. I cannot stand those comments from some who say that if this system does not work because it does not do this or more than that without even having seen it first. In my particular case, I like Debian so much that I can't even install another distribution anymore. Whatever they say, I'm still on my Linux.
Just thinking about the article you read, that someone leaves Archlinux only means one thing that is a novice or beginner and got tired of learning, I just started in the world of Linux, and I'm on linuxmint 11, but, as a I read if you really want to know the real linux go to Archlinux and I only hear wonders of this distro, so learn.
Personally, and if I want to offend, I must say that preparing and publishing a text debating the supposed opinion of an ex-Arch Linux user, makes me at least unfortunate.
Greetings.
I meant, "no offense." Regards.
Since 2008 (I started with ubunto 8.04) I have used several distros, although I always end up with Debian for a while, I get "bored" and put Arch. But in all that time I have always had other non-linux OS, always a double boot because Although with linux I have the freedom to do what I want many times I do not LIKE (important word) to do it in linux, an example, playing games or things like that. I've also seen a lot of Taliban people, especially since I bought a laptop that I think is the one that works best for me, a macbook pro, and they tell me "posh" despite having it with my double boot for debian testing. After this "personal experience" people ALWAYS comment subjectively, being 100% objective is impossible. So that of this OS is better or worse it is simply like the colors, a matter of taste, although if you like linux it is usually because of its ethics / morals. People do not care that they go to what they like or think other people "like". And although it must be said that I am one of those who thinks that you do not have to be a "hacker" to use Linux, if not, in my house they are all ubiquitous hackers as courage would say haha. I also say that I study ing. Informatica and my likes are pro-linux. In short, SO like everything in life matters of taste, or is it a bad thing that I like mulattos? Haha.
By the way sorry for the bad writing I write from the mobile ...
I share your position nano, and what a shame but hey I don't give a damn what people use, if they use free software Well, if not, they cannot be forced to be a little more free.
regards
Are you by any chance the same Ren I know? If so, I haven't seen you on crawl.akrasiac.org for a long time, I was able to pass after the Orc Mines, my minotaur monk has advanced a lot, perhaps in one of those can finally overcome your poisonous wizard.
regards
Los blogs se han convertido en lugares de peregrinación y evangelización de la calidad de nuestras elecciones.Leí el articulo original al que hace referencia Nano y eso me llamo la atención y concuerdo, hay muchos usuarios de Linux que lo único que hacen es mirarse el ombligo y despotricar contra quienes opinen distintos, haciéndole un flaco favor a la difusión del SF u OS, y al igual que algunas minorías, se comportan de manera obtusa y totalizadora, son incapaces de ver matices y tomar en cuenta que hay necesidades y capacidades distintas en los usuarios.Pues a mi también me cansa ese ambiente, a mi me gusta Linux, lo defiendo y lo recomiendo, tiene innumerables características que lo hacen un GRAN sistema operativo (entre ellas su diversidad) pero también hay que ser objetivo, CRITICO y menos autocomplacientes para identificar donde a nuestro querido Linux le falta o no están bueno como podría serlo.
Las ideas que plantea el autor del articulo no las encuentro descabelladas y creo intuir sus razones.
Saludos gente.
I really thought about it.
Linux has the virtue of being in most categories of work: Programmer, Designer, Office, etc.
The bad, that it does not have that title or popularity as Windows or Mac OS:
"In design, if it is Mac OS better"
"Office, Be Windows better"
"Hacker, Linux"
My way of seeing:
Windows is only popular or common because they DO NOT know.
It's really only for video games
Mac OS only gets you silver, silver and silver. I CAN'T FIND IT A USE.
Linux, it only needs to be in the Video Games category.
If we focus on the topics: Windows is used mainly for gaming (or before it was like that), Mac-OS for jobs where design is important or for users who place importance on design, and Linux for computer experts. In these times Linux can replace any operating system and covers the basic needs of any average user.
On unification: There are many distributions and that diversity does not seem like a problem to solve. But if I would like to see a normalization of the GNU / Linux universe, agree on guidelines and standards that facilitate the development of new projects without reinventing the wheel day after day. An example of this is everything related to packages, freedom is good but when it hurts other projects it is debauchery.
Windows is mainly used for gaming
That is a fallacy, where I live they use it from the government to the homes and not to play precisely.
No, it is rather a cliché. I only mention the idea that the people of each system have. A fallacy has nothing to do with it, check the dictionary. As if I did not know that Windows is used for other things ... the important thing about my comment is the other thing moscoso.
I know very well what a fallacy is and the expression is well used in this case.
I stopped at that because I do not agree with such statements on the Windóusian broadcast.
Greetings.
Then tell me where is the incorrect reasoning that seems correct or the deception because I do not see it in that sentence. At most you could say that this is a lie (which is not the same even if they are synonymous in other contexts). Sometimes you screw up just to show off your vag. Review:
http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=falacia
Read be better ...
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falacia
The first paragraph is important.
And it is a fallacy because there is no valid argument for such a statement, where do you get that windows is used only to play? Do you have any hard data that supports that or is it only your partial perception of the subject or does it come from common sense?
I think you do not understand what he says in that paragraph because he agrees with me. What does that have to do with my sentence. But look, I'm going to teach you another word, it's called adulteration. You adulterate my message by quoting a fragment that out of context makes me feel bad. Anyone who reads the entire message will see "If we focus on the topics:" in front of that phrase that makes you funny. That is enough to understand that what comes next is cliché. Then there is no deception, no incorrect reasoning that seems correct, nor do I try to persuade anyone with the little phrase. It is not so difficult to understand.
…. and that topic is a fallacy.
Intentions more intentions less is something else, more care when writing 😉
On the other hand, I have not altered anything that you have expressed, much less I have decontextualized the general idea of your intervention, I referred only and particularly to that expression.
I see that you do not get off the donkey but I do not pretend it, people can read (although some hide to the maximum).
To finish, apologizing to the rest of the users for distorting the subject, I leave a truth fallacy (which to be a fallacy you need argumentation, REASONING):
Premise 1: Open source is attractive.
Premise 2: My neighbor is attractive.
Conclusion: My neighbor is "open source".
@moscosov, with all due respect: You cannot compare Wikipedia (where anyone with or without knowledge contributes) with the RAE.
Wikipedia is not a very reliable source.
Without the intention of arguing, and trying to be as impartial as possible, I have to say that I agree 100% with 103 when it says: «My criterion has been, is and will be that everyone uses the system that they want, the that seems most comfortable to you, the one that solves the problem you want to solve… »and 50% with the writer (whoever it was) of the article that has bothered Nano so much. I explain: I work in a company where there are two CNC machines, a mill and a lathe, the total price of the machines is valued at approximately half a million dollars. Running at full capacity, they leave the year a six-figure net profit. Math is easy, right? The machines are HAAS brand (see http://www..haascnc.com), which is a leader in the robotic machine industry. These devices can be connected to the local network and receive the program directly from the programmer's computer, but it turns out that the firmware of these machines is only available for Windows, and the manufacturer requires Active Directory / Domain Controller to be integrated into the network. The software that accompanies these machines, in our particular case, is MasterCam, and once again, it is only available for WinOS. So, basically what I say is that it is not about "Sacrificing your freedom for blue screens and viruses everywhere", it is often about sacrificing your freedom for a very juicy financial gain. I admire the concept of free software and open source, but my friend, in this world the central axis - unfortunately - is money, and if to have a profit of a million I have to invest a hundred thousand in antivirus and Windows Server, well welcome.
I start with the industry I know best, but it is just a sample. This situation is repeated in at least 85% of the medium to large businesses that I know of, and I do not believe that the picture will change significantly in the next five years.
I know the graphic design industry closely from a close family member who until recently worked for the Fedex Office. I visited their work several times and became interested in the software and hardware they use. We are not talking about regular laser printers, I am talking about offset printers that print on canvas, plastic, paper, etc. etc. etc. all connected to a local network. I have to say that I didn't see a single computer running any GNU / Linux distribution. Three-quarters of the computers were PCs and the remaining fourth were Macs. All had installed the ubiquitous Adobe collection, the everlasting Corel, and an occasional 3D MAX or AutoCAD, once again, all available only for Windows or MacOS ... Another chain business (voluntarily) to the Microsoft-Apple duo.
"Each system is only good for one thing" is a bit absolute, but if I believe that each system is better for one thing, it would be a correct statement.
I am not a network administrator, but I know something about it, and if Microdoft is to be recognized, it is that with DC / AD they scored a hit that so far is difficult to beat Linux for work environments with few users and that require a high level of software / hardware integration from specific manufacturers. It is not that the terminal is "a beast that spits fire and hydrochloric acid", but why do with 50 lines of code something you can do with three clicks ????
"In short," I think the incognito author of the even more incognito article may be right to a certain degree. Perhaps he has stuck his nose out of a room at 26 ° C with a UNIX server next to it, and realized that "work" and "industry" include more than just business-class servers, with tens of thousands of users and huge databases, where Linux, hands down, is better than its competitors.
You have no lack of reason, but entire governments are considering using Free Software for the simple fact that the costs of implementing such, but so enormous systems with proprietary software ends up being an exorbitant expense to pay and that money can be better distributed to citizens or better fill the pockets of politicians ... Whichever is best for them.
The thing is that Linux can fulfill many aspects well, although being concrete and realistic it also falters in other aspects, but I have worked many times in 100% Linux networks and I have never had problems. In fact, Windows has given me worse headaches.
Already at the server level, nothing to discuss, here Linux is and will be the king for a long, long time.
Conclusion: Under-utilized freedom is still better than any restriction other than the interests and needs of the user (which are usually those that may or may not under-utilize a freedom)
I do not know why so much problem with the OS, my opinion is simple: take advantage of each OS, each one has its advantages and disadvantages. In my house I use the 3 operating systems and I get the best possible out of each one, without any kind of complex, now if something has to be defended it is defended, if something has to be reproached, it is reproached and of course there is a project or community that support, you are supported. Not everyone can think the same way that one wants and that must be respected and let them use the OS that they feel most comfortable with. Now I admire the Linuxeros, despite the fact that their majority are "Taliban" even though they say no digo well I say it since they do not allow themselves to be bought or manipulated as happens in Windows or Apple, I mean that these 2 operating systems can do as many "shits" they want, they will always end up manipulating the user either through advertising or simply with amazing products aesthetically speaking, what I want to get to is that users of operating systems allow themselves to be bought by anything, instead linuxeros "Cigars" have the bases of their philosophies well raised and they do not stop being carried away by the material or the monetary, they reflect this with their little interest in gaining market share, the opinion is simple: as long as they continue to do a good job with the communities and we continue with our philosophies, the rest does not matter and I think it is excellent in these times when everyone only thinks about business, no matter who they fuck in their path.
Well, yes, it is not that we are not interested in commercial matters, since we all need to eat. But I always keep my community in mind and I must give back to it so much for what it has given me, because my university is called the internet and my subject is "free software".
In truth, everything I have learned in computer science has been thanks to free licenses and collaborative works and to them to whom I am going to owe my university degree, not to the mediocre university where I study.
Starting from the premise that I am anti-apples, users do not care about freedom, if people do not even understand real freedom .. will they understand software freedom?
In the end it is like everything, everyone is free, if free, to use their own jail if they want and mac in terms of audio and video is a great platform. Fragmentation is just one more example of debauchery, the same thing that happens in reality, happens in Linux
Ah! Sure, I do not forget, Sacrifice your freedom for blue screens and viruses everywhere? Sure, they're doing great ……
Sincerely, to the person who gets viruses everywhere (not from time to time), stop visiting dubious porn websites.
Can you give me some examples of reliable porn? I haven't used Windows to consume porn for a long time but you never know :-P.
Some projects should be called libertine software, no doubt.
No, if I am crazy about this guy .. Let's see Pandev, why don't you open a blog on WordPress.com called amowindowsdeath.wordpress.com ..?
I'm too lazy to keep just one blog up to date: D. (No joke). The only virus that entered me was one that did not make the tildes work for me, and I think it must be because of a porn website that I visited xD ..., if you know where you are, nothing has to happen to you with windows. There are even tools like WOT that tell you the reliability of all the websites.
[quote] Can you give me some examples of reliable porn? I have not used Windows to consume porn for a long time but you never know [/ quote]
Tube8, xvideos….: P (I don't put more xd)
Say yes, that is the beginning of the road to having AIDS.
With Windows I have had viruses without visiting dubious pages or anything like that (you know that I am anti-dirty), such as Blaster, Trojans (although they are not viruses, it is malware) or Are-gen.
So I don't think it could be my fault
Use wot to know what page you are on and be careful with the files you download.
Do not convince me with that to download files carefully hahahaha
Sometimes <º Linux looks like "Linux from Windows" because of the comment symbols :-D. But I think that shows that the criticisms of Windows are informed.
I hope I get the dating etiquette right (how complicated :-P)… Thanks but have you fallen short, right? My partner likes Erika Lust's porn. I am more of Hentai, their stories inspire a lot.
For hentai, this is a good hentai island, hentai-line and some other websites.
If you want more pron, keezmovies, beeg, hardsextube..xD
Go talk about that to MuyLinux, not here please, that those things are not to everyone's liking
You have to learn to ignore comments that don't interest you. In case you consider them offensive, you can report it to an administrator for action. The words porn and hentai do not make everything they touch obscene, we were joking, your «antiquity» looks like a pose :-P.
You have to learn that the joke is perpetual in Desde Linux...
Don't worry, I never take you seriously :-P. By the way, subtle irony does not fit well on the Internet ;-).
Haha yes, it gets wrong in writing, I already had a little problem with elav for that
I'm coming ...: P (?)
Apple and Microsoft have plenty of money to pay disinformation trolls to lure them into their operating systems.
In my opinion, the worst of all is apple because apart from its holes and vulnerabilities and its incompatibility with games and other applications (if I decided I would not port any GNU program to the mac, except those that were in specific distributions like darwin (I know that since they carry intel it is not necessary and you can put a debian xd)), it puts you in a total monopoly where you only have to loosen the wad of bills if you want to enjoy a little.
In short, Steve Jobs did nothing for the poor. He only took out expensive computers and wanted all the apple for himself.
Where is the source in which the guy that Arch leaves appears? I wanted to read it 🙁
On the other hand, I use Linux very often, it is a very good OS but you also have to be objective and reasonable and recognize where it falters:
- With very current Hardware.
- Most of the Games.
- Graphic design and video editing.
On the subject of LibreOffice, It supplies most of the needs but lacks very important functions for the work of some people.
Manuel de la Fuente has put it in a comment:
http://thearcherblog.wordpress.com/2011/10/24/hasta-pronto-linux/
It's a shame that there are people in the world as "lamb" as that guy. If you want to use Mac, that's fine, but to develop such a line of thinking is to agree with the overwhelming life-market that dominates us and that has made the world such a difficult place to live (really live, not follow the herd). That type of thinking is dangerous, because then it ends up justifying not choosing anything, not even what you eat, if someone else makes it more comfortable and chooses for him. And likewise, a dictator can end up justifying that "it is true, it restricts my freedoms, but it prevents me from having to waste time choosing."
Ah! Huxley and Orwell were so, but so right, that it's scary, in the end science fiction is always full of terrible prophecies. It is as disconcerting to read Brave New World or 1984 as reading the newspaper, and it is as disconcerting to see The Matrix or V as it is to watch the news, because you know, and that's the worst, that you know it, that they are showing you what they want you to see and you are only learning what they want you to know. And a friend once told me "no man, if they still don't reproduce us in series", I replied "Oh no? review the content and lines of thought taught in schools, universities and television and then see if they do not reproduce us in series »
I also read that article.
Well, the attitude that nano's carcamal comments on is a posera attitude, the posers of computing.
What I think is that whoever buys a Mac is a pringao who buys it to feel cool, or because someone else has told him that they are the host in verse (what happened to me).
Linux and Mac are very much alike.
Another story is that of graphic designers, there is a better Mac.
Well I do not know if you tell me to be a computer scientist or what you mean, but I am not a poser, for something I have been studying at the university for so long, so that keeps it at bay.
I do not detract from mac or windows, they can be used for whatever, but I defend Linux because it can work the same as any of them but with the advantage of letting you be the owner of the system and not a mega beastly corporation.
I admit that Mac may be better for design, but not because MacOS is an ultra mega system because in that case Linux is because we are based on Unix, in fact, there are rumors that MacOS has portions of the Linux Kernel inside, but being so brutally closed we will never know if they are just invented stupidities or a reality, for which I limit myself to only having a reasonable doubt.
Turning point, every system has its crown jewels, and MacOS isn't best for design just because it's MacOS, but because of the Adobe suite and because they can at least boast of having near-seamless integration with the hardware used. But if Linux had that quality of integration that you only get by paying billions of $$$ then it would be the same as MacOS.
I don't know if I can explain it to me, but here they like the controversy ... I use and will use Linux until the day I get tired of learning new things, my windows have played me very ugly with terrible errors and I have never been able to own a Mac because I don't have like hell paying half my annual salary in one of those (I've tried the so-called Hackintosh, and although it's nice, I don't like it).
Anyway, let it be clear that I do not defend Linux as the best system of all that can do everything, I defend Linux as a system that allows you to do whatever you want with it and grow as a person. I defend it from ideas that, although they sound logical to obtain a greater market share, do not match the ideals of free software.
Oh and if they see that I use windows now it is because I am at work, not on my pc.
No, computer poser is the one who thinks this:
I used Linux because someone would have seen it out there
Oh yes, that is to say right and left nonsense. But come on, that he can afford a Mac and that it is better to be a prisoner with all the comforts in your cell than to be free and do whatever you want, even if it costs you a bit.
But prisoner of what ???? Let's stop saying nonsense, maybe if I have a mac I won't be able to play, write, watch anime, hentai, write text documents etc? The prison can be a prison for a developer but not for the user, who on top of these osx I think they can easily run Linux applications.
+1
X11 is not so like that either
I think that everyone uses the system that best suits their needs, if user x has money to buy a Mac because they like it better, they have every right to use it as they please, and that's it. Personally, it works better for me to work with a free distro like Trisquel, I have just what I need, but perhaps for someone this is not enough, and it is good to look for alternatives that satisfy them.
The rest is respect, greetings.
I wanted to comment on this for a few days now, ...... that mystical linux of "linux does not have a virus" has been destroyed by android, now that a linux system is used by millions, (android is a linux) viruses appear every day . malware, trojans, etc. Which leads to the conclusion, that before there were no viruses in Linux, because nobody used it (proportionally) and therefore hackers despised producing them, With the millions of smartphones with Linux (Android), it shows that Linux is as or more vulnerable than windows and apple,… .. one less false myth!
Hmm actually android is not linux in its entirety and there is a technical article that explains why the "myth" that GNU / Linux does not have many viruses.
The same developer explains that he has tried to create a virus himself, knowing the vulnerabilities of the system, and that he barely manages to run (manually giving it the permissions) so it is something that we should not touch, it is too deep that even I cannot understand it in its entirety.
Needless to say more, this proves that there would be, if there were interest and the possibility were given.
Consider how viruses get to Windows. The user takes an application that he fully intends to run, test and use, but that application is infected, of course he does not know. That in Linux you have to give it permissions? Well, I would give them and if it is infected, what happens happens. The user who downloads anything to run it on his Windows would also download it on Linux (if both, application / user, were on Linux). If you have to give it "permissions" with a double click or with a sudo it will do it.
As they already mentioned to you, https://blog.desdelinux.net/virus-en-gnulinux-realidad-o-mito/ He can answer you in a better way than any of us… It is not a myth, it is a reality.
How did they mention me? But I just arrived.
Not to be pretentious, but it seems to me that this article has some good flaws. Maybe it's too late to read more and answer that and that, I'll do it next time.
I was wondering whether to do a detailed explanation or to leave generally.
In the end I opted for the detailed and although I finished it I realized that it was a text a bit
toolong enough to abuse the blog.Luckily I think it is not necessary to bomb so much, because myself previous answer It already enters the realm of the possible as admitted and said in the same article and what you paraphrase yourself, and also enters the realm of the typical virus infection, so the burden of proof is on the other field, no in mine. It is not impossible, it just has not happened because there has been no interest or the opportunity (both for the supply of viruses and demand for an infected application).
Why is the user going to give it permissions or switch directly to root to run it? because it was downloaded to run it, nothing more, the same reason why it is copied and run in Windows.
Android is not linux, that's for starters, and the second I recommend that you read this article Viruses in GNU / Linux: Fact or Myth? very interesting for you to see that
so you can see that
Regarding that paradigm that Linux is for "hackers", "geeks", "neerds", etc, I must say that it is a manufactured paradigm (made in the USA). Back in the 80s when Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were in battle for the end-user operating system market, a new philosophy began to form regarding the term "end user." The truth, when we talk about information technology, we are talking about something recent in historical terms. We have "barely" 60 years since electronics began to profoundly change our lives, and "barely" 30 years since personal computers entered our lives. In the development of the Mac OS and Windows, Jobs and Gates practically coincided in designing software for a specific user, a user who is dumb, stupid, lazy and manipulable, what until now would be considered as the "end user". It was not exactly a market study, simply to better market what they produced, avoid questions and simply "just works". All people have different capacities and abilities to learn new things, but most importantly, we people have the capacity to learn. The Jobs and Gates end user is a manufactured user model which did not really represent the average user at that time. The fact that a person were to operate a totally new and complex device such as a computer, which used to be the size of an entire office, necessarily implied a learning curve in its operation. The "end" people were systematically denied incentives to learn about computer science. For example, there are people who find it easy to learn to handle a new cell phone, while other people find it too difficult, but even so, people who have ease only learn as far as they have been allowed, they would learn more if the device that they handle had no "limitations" on access to their components and system. In Finland, in many schools the computer science subject has a component where children are taught to program, while in Colombia said subject barely understands how to handle Word, Power Point and Paint in Windows; Given this, how do you think the comparison of the learning curves of these children will be when they reach an adult stage? That is why operating systems like Windows and Mac, rather than products that fulfill a specific function, are products that imprison knowledge, and this is where a fundamental concept comes in, FREEDOM. That is why I am grateful that there are people like Richard Stallman, Linus Torvalds and many others who promoted freedom for the sake of knowledge.
My respects, applause and congratulations… What you say is fucking right.
In Venezuela the same thing happens with computer education, which in fact should be office automation.
At that time, around 2002, I was just beginning to touch that world of hack and download things online, I remember that a group of friends at that time (today we all study computer science) gathered money to buy hacking magazines, Linux and we always passed on info from our, back then, ultra powerful 128mb xD capacity pen-drives.
It was that fun time, in which we accessed the teacher's private folder on the local network to change grades or delete the jobs that we were teased "by nerds" which prompted us to want to know more, to eat books, to experience new things ... Today one of them uses Windows because he likes to play, but he is aware that he cannot do as much as we can at the system level and remembers with nostalgia when the four of us spent no more and no less than 3 days fighting with Fedora core 4 xD
I will not even talk about the unfair and unfortunate classification and generalization that it makes, which is of course false, since it can also be said that Windows is for working (which it is also), that Linux is for "playing" and wasting time, that Mac is not even good for working just to show off and lose money; etc. Step from that.
GNU / Linux is certainly not for everyone, both from an ideological point of view and from a functional point of view.
And it is certainly currently true that if someone needs certain uses (professional or not) they will have no choice but to switch to another platform, or at least they will be very tempted.
However, what his argument does fail to do is to raise the dichotomy "Freedom vs. Functionality", or put another way; that quality, professionalism, and functionality are at odds with Freedom and that Freedom is to blame for missing those things.
No. If it is true that for many needs GNU / Linux lacks those things mentioned above, it is not because of Freedom, it is completely fallacious to make that association, it is illogical and also absolutely unsustainable.
The reasons for the lack of these things are many and at the same time the most elementary. Although you don't want to admit it, GNU / Linux is a system that is still green and in constant development at least for those areas (the main drivers of "Linux" only focus on the server area because that is their business and apparently they have achieved its mission and those who have gotten into the area of the "end user", beyond the phrases, have only been half).
Likewise, the solution is not "to join in a single distro", because first not everyone has the same interests and I think it is already shown above, second, what makes you think that the solution is in "the union"? Does everyone have a piece of the solution puzzle? It doesn't make sense. To give an example, Apple took a BSD kernel and from there they got their system, that is, it is obvious that it only takes a team of people who know what they want and how to do it. Appealing to "join all the distros" is the typical wildcard and fallacious answer for these cases and I think it only shows how lost we are, without knowing the problem its solution is impossible.
Another cons towards the "unity of the distros" is to unite ourselves on which distro, on Ubuntu? (to give an example) why would we have to join forces to fatten the product of a businessman in exchange for nothing ?, honestly I would rather work for Microsoft to improve Windows than be naughty to a "Linux" businessman in those terms And I say that I prefer it because at least that situation would be more honest, that company would develop its product and pay employees to do it, while the second case would be for an ideological cookie that "it is because of our system" and the truth is that it is not. And join us on Debian? (to give another example) what would make them think that other entrepreneurs are going to abandon their ambitions and incidentally are going to work altruistically for the good of a community? In this case, I can assure you that they are honestly not going to do any Grace to do it and they will do the same as Microsoft and Mac, build their closed system on their own (if they can of course).
Another reason is the classic, Freedom to modify and distribute, unmodified and distribute, is silly. The "Unity" simply goes against Free Software and would make their Freedoms a dead letter.
The author of this article is also wrong in his answers but I think that already 3ndriago He said everything he had to say
I just add that Windows is not synonymous with Viruses and Blue Screens, saying that is identical to saying that Linux is synonymous with writing signs on the console to do something that someone else would do with a click, but since they are geeks without girlfriends and without life they like that and it doesn't bother them. The one who eats viruses in Windows is because he does not know what he is doing, if it does not happen elsewhere it is because either he learns to be more responsible in the change or because he does not have the same risks. And of the blue screens, Linux also has Kernels Panics, don't they come out every day? In Windows, the truth is not told either.
Now Give up freedom in favor of "a better product"?. What this subject does and what the article title mentions, is something that, to a greater or lesser extent, most linuxeros and most distros do; There are plenty of veins where they renounce their "beloved" freedom in favor of a "better product", where they recommend it and even justify that action.
Of course, when it comes to a jump to MacOSX or Windows, it is considered unacceptable, double standards are activated and outrage explodes, because the "switch" is acceptable as long as it does not touch the penguin; the irrational militancy really is Linux, although it is used to pretend that it is "to Freedom."
How many here really don't sacrifice Freedom for a "better product"?.
Here someone who writes from a Free distro.
I have no problems with those who make that "sacrifice" and accept it, but I could have it with those who see straws in other people's eyes and not in their own.
Total freedom is relative, even you mean it in what you say, but saying that it is worth sacrificing some freedom for just a good service or product and saying it in a generalized way is what has touched me the most.
Everyone can (and I am not tired of saying it, finish understanding) do what they want with their life and use what they really want. I've been through a number of different distros, from free to partially free ... In fact, I even used Fedora Core a long time ago (which at that time was much more free than many distros today are).
In fact, I use several proprietary products, but being very, very, very aware of what they are and how I should interact with them to minimize any harmful effects they may cause. Unfortunately my work demands it of me, but at least I have in mind that I am free to do whatever I want with my system, simply because he allows it and that is the difference many times between a normal user who ignores all these concepts and uses other systems in opposition to many of which we comment here, that we know what freedom is within the software and that we also know what we abide by in case of using proprietary software.
Seeing straws in other people's eyes is not my thing, but, I would not admit anything and I would do it from Richard Stallman. But here they like, as I say, to put more controversy into things and often to boast with super "deep" comments.
Billet everywhere xD
"Total freedom" can certainly be relative depending on from which perspective and philosophy it is spoken and honestly out of curiosity and offtopic I would like to know in what way "I meant it" because I think I did not reach those waters.
Now on the subject, I certainly agree that your mistake is to say that quality, etc, etc, is worth more than freedom; and worse still to say that both things are at odds and are self-exclusive (the latter I'm not sure if he really said it because I still haven't finished reading the original article).
I referred to both things and as the second is not in discussion I will go to the first.
What I am saying is that that first point of which there is a lot of clothing tear is something very common in the Linux world, that sacrifice of "freedom for quality" is something that almost all Linux users and almost all distros do every day of their life and when they do it they always justify it. The detail is in some who hardly see next to them that someone made a different choice, there come the indignations and they shout HEREJE !!!.
For me, UNDER NO CONCEPT is quality preferable to freedom. For me, the one who opts for a Mac instead of a Linux Distro is like the one who opts for proprietary drivers instead of the free one just to have (according to) a couple of more fluid animations or those who opt for a non-free browser before one free just because they love the logo more.
Of course, I don't go around getting indignant or pointing out anyone as a heretic but I can perfectly see that they are all the same, when it comes to the random subject who is justifying his privative choice he will say "in a generalized way" that it is worth sacrificing "something" of freedom for quality. In these waters almost anything is accepted by Linux users, what never seems to be accepted is to change the penguin for something else.
The point is that for some (where I include myself), those who change the penguin for Mac or Windows are no less than opt for a proprietary driver or an application (or kernel) with blobs, etc.
I reiterate, for me they are the same ... until the day they take to looking at straws in other people's eyes having things in theirs, which is something that luckily not everyone does (even if they are the least and the least noisy) and for me they even fall more sympathetic for not sinning as pseudo-moralists.
I don't want to make this a personal discussion, but if I ask you why you don't use a free distro and why you don't use a free browser, you will justify it to me not so differently from how that subject justified his change and choice.
PS: I didn't really understand your reference to Stallman. In my opinion I do not remember seeing Stallman pointing out straws to others (he criticizes proprietary software developers and those who seek to tie others to him, but he does not judge people unless they ask him), but even if he did at least he is one of the few that does not have beams or straws in his own, which has served to call him Taliban, crazy, eccentric and other things.
By the way, the original article (which I got to see a little late), is not so badly raised its ideas, although it still makes the mistake of thinking Freedom = the cause of evil. The cause of the evils is another and the best example is, paradoxically, MacOSX. Freedom does not prevent anyone from taking what they like and doing something "good, quality, professional, etc", the problem is that "there is not one" (or two, etc) who do it. With BSD was Apple.
The point is this: OS freedom of choice is fine, but for there to be freedom of choice, all options must have been tried. For people to renounce their freedom, they have to do so from knowledge, and if you have only used one of the options for your usual tasks, you do not have that knowledge.
Speaking with that document (windows, mac, freebsd, linux) I choose linux.
A hug!
I just have one question ... How the hell do you use safari from Android? Does that browser exist in the market? LOL XD
It's not that but sometimes the UserAgent gets it wrong. Safari has even put me on the block ...
When you put Opera that is already removed
Mozilla / 5.0 (Linux; U; Android 0.5; en-us) AppleWebKit / 522 + (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari / 419.3 - that's why it is recognized as Safari within Android
"People are not interested in freedom, many are willing to sacrifice it to obtain a professional quality product, that is why they are not interested in GNU / Linux, because they do not need so much freedom"
Whoever thinks like this does not deserve it. Don't use it, there are enough people who appreciate it
Hello countryman, I am also from Venezuela. Currently I have win vista and canaima 3.0 on my laotop, and if the first one to play jrjéjeje and also to make documents because where I work they still use windows.
I love canaima although of course it has many drawbacks but they are not serious and the common user learns easy to use it, my first linux was kubúntu in college I think that a 6 and something, and it was slow and the open office sucked, but it still attracted me Too bad my ati never got along with kde
My opinion is that mac is for those who do not mind spending real, win for those who do not know much and buy from themselves trusted peddlers, and linux for others.
I know that many are not interested in whether Linux (I also omit GNU) is free or not, if it is open or not, and well, I cannot criticize anyone, everyone has their point of view, the good thing is that there are entries blog like these that make clear the advantages of linux and the opinion of many.
I use Linux to work for a little over 2 years, everyone else here uses Mac and I do the same or more than them (well, SysAdmin uses Linux too)
At home I have been using Linux for a little over 4 years (Windows only in a virtual machine to play some games that require the platform and fiddling around)
Before when I had more time I tried several distros, I was even with Arch for a while, now I need to produce, have time for myself, have everything ready and done to use and because that is not why I am going to leave Linux, I get a simple to install distro , that does not require complex configurations and with everything I need, be it Debian, Linux Mint or Ubuntu and that's it.
The freedom to choose between so many options and combinations I have only found in Linux and I will not change, if I went to another job and they required me to work with another operating system, I would install linux on a virtual machine and work as much as possible from there.
+10000
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