I know that many of the friends who read us daily adore Gnome Shell. I have even seen in several comments as your opinion on Gnome 2, or the appearance of it, can be summed up in a single word: Obsolete.
I respect their opinions as if they were my own. Everyone uses what they want and accommodates it, but in this case, we are no longer talking about a desktop interface, but about sacrificing accessibility or usability options when working on our PC, in favor of other devices. And you may be wondering right now what is this guy talking about? Well, the answer to that can be found at this link.
It turns out that now the developers of Gnome they are going to take away (or they already took him away) some options to Nautilus that thousands or millions of people use. We are talking, for example, about the following options:
The compact folder and file view.
The tree view will be replaced by the list view.
The extra panel (by pressing F3), they say it is obsolete therefore it goes away.
And all these changes come to Gnome 3.6 simply due to the fact that when used in a tactile way, they do not work as they should. And I wonder:
- Where did the PC user stay?
- Is the number of users who use Gnome on mobile or touch devices?
- It will happen Gnome in the future to be a Desktop Environment focused only on this technology?
- Perhaps Gnome have you counted on the opinion of your users to do this?
Since it came out Gnome Shell I knew that things were not going to turn out well with this Desktop and conventional computers and I was not wrong. The results are already being seen.
However, if you are a user of Gnome and you want to keep using these options in Nautilus Guess who's coming to the rescue? Well Ikey doherty with SolusOS, who is already working on correcting this gaffe.
The Problem is only one: They forgot the user. By forgetting about the user and starting the whole new design without listening to opinions or at least having done a market study to see how the interface could be renewed, these types of mistakes are made. GNOME attracted many for being simple, flexible and very efficient, at least I thought so; With Gnome 3 came a debacle from the point of view of design, it is clear that this design is not for PC but for Tablets or touch devices that are far from the average user of the environment. Honestly, I don't like the concept or the way the development team do things, obviously I respect their work and their concepts, I just don't agree.
PS: I do not believe much in "obsolete", Gnome 2 gathered what was needed to work well, just like KDE. Gnome 2 wasn't perfect but I think in concept it was better than this.
It's a shame. I started on Linux with Gnome 2 and I became very fond of that environment. Now I have been using KDE for many months and, for a week, I have been experimenting with Cinnamon, but I think that the course that Gnome has taken is, without more, one that even they are not clear about. I have given your Shell many opportunities, but I can't see any head or tail of it, and I am unable to get used to such a rigid and rudimentary interface.
Cutting back on functionality and focusing on touch devices seems great to me, but it's clear to me: for me it is no longer an option.
Gnome, you were cool before…. before Gnome 3 Shell ¬__¬
God save the SolusOS
If gnome is definitely going to be destined preferably to tactile devices that warn and thus pc users we totally forget about it. Now the most mature desktop is kde by far. Branch 4 improves with each update and resource consumption is very even with gnome-shell. And the graphical performance, don't ask me why, in gnome it's horrible, the smooth-scroll of the browser, the viewing of movies ... etc. At least on my pc, although gnome consumes a little less ram, the response of the system is much slower than in kde (gnome 3.4 / kde 4.8).
Something similar happens to me, for some reason I still don't understand KDE even though it consumes more, it has better performance than GNOME.
It seems to me that it is because Kde consumes less cpu. I would leave the page where I saw it but I can no longer find it
Hail God Ikey !! hehe ..
Almost nothing, if a while ago in the famous and stupid KDE vs Gnome debate, I would have said what today after knowing other options you admit and summarize in one word: Obsolete.
Don't be mad, but sorry if I laugh. LOL…
I already knew that years ago ...
Greetings.
Well, yes, unfortunately these decisions are the ones that confuse the user. It is unfortunate. I came to the Linux world through Suse with Gnome 2, and it always seemed great, flexible, and relatively lacking in major problems. when Gnome 3 came along, I saw it with reservations but gave it a try. It seemed revolutionary to me, groundbreaking with respect to the options that already existed in the market. It lacked options, yes, but there was great hope that its evolution would solve these deficiencies. but I see that along the way, they forgot the most important thing: the user. and that is the most serious mistake that can be made. I understand that it is free software, I understand that if I don't like it, I can choose from a sea of possibilities, but, being together with KDE, pioneers in the design of desktop environments, I would have expected a little more. And although it sounds offtopic, I think that this is the source of the renewed success of XFCE, and of distros like Mint and now SolusOS, which have tried to progress, but keeping closely those elements that attract and make life easier for the user. And when I say user, I am not only talking about those who modify every last configuration file in order to leave the desktop to their liking, but also those who have seen an option in GNU / Linux, and who would like everything to work the way intuitive and simple.
I agree 100% with you Marco. And I suppose there are many users who must feel the same. I would dare to give similar opinions to Elav's here on the blog and with all property having believed and given Gnome 3 its chance.
The good thing is that in Linux there is everything and for everyone. The downside is that it is not known what effect fragmentation can have as it looks now.
Anyway, now I am a happy user with KDE, something that when I started with Linux and Gnome 2.x I would not have imagined.
regards
It happened the same to me. on my way through Linux, I never imagined going to KDE, and here I am, almost a year later, with Chakra !!! now I do not let go! 🙂
With KDE I feel safer ... away from all those hassles and problems, uncomfortable situations and discords that exist around Gnome, Cinnamon, Unity, and all that hahahaha.
same to me, KDE is great. although Unity is fine, and I prefer it to Gnome Shell.
KDE is great, I took it back after a long time and fell in love again xD
I am a Debian user, I still use the "obsolete" version of gnome, and will stay that way as long as I can. I think it is a big mistake and if in the end these changes arrive gnome will continue to lose in favor of more functional and light environments.
Hi 😀
First of all welcome to the site 😉
And yes indeed, I think that "productivity before everything." If I need to work and concentrate on important tasks, I don't have to spend time learning how to use a new desktop environment, if with mine (even when it's considered obsolete) I have my work always done.
ElementaryOS with pantheon-files
I believe that like all Free Software there will always be the option of activating the functionalities that are not by default and if it cannot be, then we create them, because that is the advantage of Free Software.
I have SolusOS, I like it because it uses gnome as I have always liked.
The company that is responsible for much of the development of gnome is redhat if I'm not mistaken, who knows its future goal. Out there want to enter the world of tables. The people at KDE are developing an environment for tablets without touching the desktop.
The truth is that removing features etc, seems to me a total lack towards the user. The options they remove are very basic, for example the compact view of folders and files.
It's true, if they wanted to focus on touchscreens and tablets they could have made a variant for those devices, and not leave the PC user abandoned.
But what are you waiting for, yeah Gnome classic as it comes by default is it disgusting? Do you think they care about that? It seems that the developers of Gnome he was given iPads or things like that and they only think of tablets and mobiles ... I repeat it again: Neither Gnome will be used on those devices.
I would like to know which Tablet the Gnome programmers test on. On my HP tablet with WebOs I try to install Linux and some things still do not work (sound, bluetooh, camera)
If you only program for touchscreens you can lower the blind and go home, hardly anyone will use it. And that those of us who used Gnome as always were not so many 🙂
There is no tablet on the market with Gnome, touchpads for PC or notebook are prohibitive. In conclusion they work for nobody. Either they return to their sources or better that they dedicate themselves to something else.
Since that euphoria for tablets began, it seems that the software stopped evolving and began to regress. Before, the objective was to make the programs more powerful and functional; now it's about taking this and that away from them so that the blessed tablets can support them.
At first I was very excited about touch technology but I'm not so sure anymore. At least this was not what I expected.
I find it very sad what they are doing with Gnome, I like Gnome Shell, but they must see for a bloody time that it has usability flaws, and that they cannot focus so much on tablets, besides as you say Elav, I think Gnome 3 is not used in tablets, mainly because the tablets are either sold with Android, and it is very difficult to install other OS or they are the Apple iPad.
Where is the Gnome community? Is it that they no longer listen to them? Or is it that the developers only think about their own concepts and that users must abide by them without question?
As long as they continue to pursue this, I'll stick with KDE, because Gnome 3, although interesting, is very difficult to adapt to my tastes, XFCE doesn't give me what I want and LXDE, I like it, but it has almost no graphic effects or a good visual aspect.
What do you need from Xfce? On LXDE can be customized a little, and wear Compton to have cash ... 😀
It is not what I need from XFCE in particular, but what I need from a desktop environment, I need good tools and applications installed by default, a good visual appearance from the first minute of use (if you have ever seen XFCE with the theme by default, for example as it comes in Fedora, you will know what I'm talking about), being able to customize it to my liking with thousands of themes and window decorations, as well as wallpapers with ease, good graphic effects already integrated into the system, a good consumption of resources (there XFCE is even better) ... these are things that you can do with XFCE, but I don't have time to be customizing the whole environment to my liking, I like that that is already partly done, that it is a little work to save me ...
And yes, LXDE can also be customized, but it has the same flaw as XFCE, the default theme is ugly (call it useful for PCs with few resources), and on this it costs more to find the configuration options ... I like KDE better because since the beginning gives me more, and for its visual aspect.
I totally respect that you like XFCE, and that for you it is the best, the same thing happens to me with KDE. A greeting.
At this rate Nautilus will soon have fewer functions than the file manager on my mobile phone. But I am not worried because it can be solved with the recipe of a guru ... What a panorama, immobility or involution evolution ... Luckily there are alternatives for all tastes.
Nautilus is going to be like Rox Fm, but of course consuming 10 times more
hahahahahahaha !!!! +1
That's why I switched to LXDE, an excellent custom with metacity: D ... besides pcmanfm, although not very nice, it works for what it was made, in addition to supporting thumbnails. The configuration is very simple.
I really see Gnome very very beta.
With nautilus, I was never able to search for something.
The extensions, after how many versions do not include them as a default. You have to download them to break the desktop.
Remove the gelatinous effects, their somewhat primitive appearance (icons, windows, cursor), well those are gtk problems.
Not everything is brown I liked the new look of gnome 3, a little more "fun". Cinnamon came to save the day, better looking, versatile, it consumes - I would say - half the resources of gnome 3 with constant updates.
In closing, KDE is a better option.
The truth is that after these changes, I'm still looking for a manager that I like, the gnome2 that Ubuntu brings, it's like it's "cut", I don't like unity, with gnome 3 it's like I predicted speed, with cinnamon I The same thing happens, now for example I'm using asoweme, but I feel like I'm going backwards. What they said about the extra panel (by pressing F3), I always use it, it's comfortable. The truth is that we hope that gnome 3 evolves a bit. Cheers!.
Sounds good to me: D. I use nautilus and I know that many of those options are almost unnecessary, for example, although they remove the compact view, the tree view still remains and that view does a similar but better function than the compact one from my point of view, the extra panel no longer I find it necessary when you can place two nautilus windows one on each half of the screen or use tabs.
Greetings.
I agree with you .. it's exactly what I do ^ _ ^
Hey where is @Perseo .. There will be no more How to de Fedora?
When they remove something that you do not consider "unnecessary", you will see how good it looks to you. They are dismantling Nautilus. Before the new versions meant progress, not setbacks. Does having more options make you obsolete? I'm getting older.
Hope Nautilus anorexia provides a lighter file manager. Losing weight and being just as heavy would be nonsense.
It only remains to hope that there will be the outcome of events.
There are options XFCE, Cinnamon, or the new one from Solus (which is still unnamed xD)
And what do Netbook users do to ourselves? In addition, it has been proven that panels and tabs are more productive than opening two windows… I tell you this from my own experience with the use of Thunar.
Maybe if there are many complaints, they should not take it out, the truth is that they should not take out something that works for desktop but it brings problems for touch, so they make a special version for touch ...
Well, I think they want to keep it as simple as possible, not as much as kde dolphin with an infinity of options that you can forget at a moment and you have to look for that option again. I think it would be my only justification: S
Too bad on the part of the GNOME developers, actually, it was my favorite DE before, it's really a shame… Thank goodness I switched to XFCE a month ago and I got used to it.
The other options are actually removable but the double panel is vital and much more comfortable than the tabs or two windows ... what are they going to remove? These from Gnome Team are smoking something weird.
But elav, the truth is that it is not a table oriented desk only, we had already talked before about its approach to using the keyboard right?
And another thing that is certain is that it is the least of its problems, Gnome 3 has much worse usability deficiencies, just open the properties of a folder in a 10-inch latop, to see a serious one.
I am not saying that it is oriented to Tablets, I am just saying that I think it is a mistake to remove things from the Desktop (things that are used on the PC), because they do not work on touch devices.
Totally agree ... Or that they give the option to choose between touch and desktop, so they don't take away the option to turn off and others.
We would have to ask them why did they actually do it? because if we start to get statistics, of the total number of computer users, how many use GNU / linux? How many of those use Gnome? How many of these use touch? the percentage seems to me to be quite small.
They are simply sacrificing the followers / audience / fans / users they have now, in order to gain a future audience (the one who uses / will use touch devices).
what happened to you gnome before you were cool
It's the same question I asked myself 🙁
I like gnome 3, although it has been Challenge to adapt to the shell and I agree that little by little other trends are migrating, and forgetting other values; and gnome 3.xa forgot the desktop customization, that is, forgetting the satisfaction we feel when changing the colors, the shapes of the icons, the position of the bars, etc. I mean, you have to be a slightly more advanced user to make all these modifications ... well I also think that not all, or all people have a touch monitor, in my case, and in my country GT touch monitors cost a lot and I think that not everyone can buy one, at least 100 pc that I look at one of them is tactile ...
In this world of programming I learned from something that I read "Don't make them think" and it seems that those of Gnome, Ubuntu with their Unity forgot ...