De Thunderbird we have talked enough in DesdeLinux and it needs no introduction, and as you know, it is one of the best Mail clients that currently exist for both GNU / Linux as if to Windows.
When using Desktop Environments written in GTK, Thunderbird was the application that managed my emails, but when I switched to KDE, I started using KMail.
The problem with KMail is that when you started using Akonadi to manage the messages (or the message database) it all went down the toilet. Instead of making things easier, I think they complicated them.
The process of saving the messages is a nuisance, in addition, it is not possible to separate the types of accounts or use independent proxies servers, which Thunderbird if you allow.
With Thunderbird I can have as many accounts as I want, either from GMAIL, Yahoo, DesdeLinux, Movistar Mail, OutlookUsing IMAP o POP3. As I said before, I can even decide which proxy to use even regardless of the system one, which with KMail, I can not.
But the benefits do not end there, I can use Thunderbird as I wish Mail Client, RSS reader y Messaging Client, that is, I can chat with my contacts from Facebook, GMail, and any other service that uses XMPP.
As you see in the previous image, I can also use Thunderbird as a client for IRC o Twitter. In fact, when we configure our account, the steps to follow are the same as with any other application:
And here we can see Thunderbird in action:
Exporting and Importing. My Plugins
But the best of all is that I can take my emails anywhere without any problem. To do this, I just have to copy the folder ~ / .thunderbird.
But as we know, this app just like Firefox has Extensions. I particularly highly recommend the plugin ImportExportTools.
The good thing about this extension is that it allows us Export o Import our messages from, or to specific folders in format TXT, EML, HTML, CVS: MBox. What's more, we can import SMS messages from "SMS Backup and Recovery" programs on Android and Nokia2AndroidSMS.
Another extension that I recommend if we want to give our application more style is Thunderbird Conversations:
It doesn't really take much time to apply the visual changes, and they can be undone by disabling the extension. Among the most interesting changes is the options to reply to messages in the same window, as we can see below:
With the Integration theme I have no problems. Thunderbird looks and works perfectly on me KDE, so from now on I say goodbye to KMail For a long long time
The truth is that KMail has never interested me I have tried to connect my openmailbox.org account but it never worked, in Thunderbird it is easier and I can use my openmailbox and Outlook account in the same place :-), Thunderbird is the best!
I came to comment on that, thank goodness I'm not the only one.
Has anyone of you been able to connect Openmailbox with Kmail?
As much as I have tried, it does not work.
I have it connected without any problem. Days ago it did not connect because openmailbox was updating the servers, except for that, I have not had any problem.
Now, kmail and in general kontact do not convince me, as elav says, it seems that everything has to be complicated, in the end I have the feeling of working with a corset on and this is my feeling when I work with kde, from my point of view , kde's problem is excess.
I have kmail configured with openboxmail and zero nails.
What plugin do you use for chat and twitter?
ok don't tell me anymore ... it can't be that I've never seen that option .___.
Well, it seems great to me, I stay with KMail, since it offers me what I need (which is only to read the mail xD) = P
And what advantages do you see compared to reading the messages on the page of your mail service (Gmail, Hotmail, etc.)?
I don't use it for those services, I use it for university services.
Well man there are many advantages.
For example, the fact that under the same application you group all your email accounts to save you the time of entering each of them (if, for example, you have 3 or more accounts, as is the case of many here, and all of them in different providers). Or have the contacts of all of them under the same agenda.
Anyway, apart from the fact that it is much more comfortable to open a program than to visit 2 or 3 websites.
A greeting!
And you forget that even if you only use one account, it is much faster to open thunderbird than to open firefox with a thousand add-ons (if we did not have them, we would use Midori: D) and then load the very heavy page that manages emails (at least gmail is very heavy)
It's true, gmail is heavy
Thanks Elav, for giving us this info there are many things that I did not know. I'll have to give you a taste 🙂
Well, I think it's very good ... my kmail works perfect for me, with akonadi, with several email accounts all separated from each other, gmail, outlook, gmx, openmailbox, my local folders, and even the internal system mail for notifications. I will find out how I have managed to do all that, seeing that it is not possible.
Completely agree that you like thunderbird more (that of the integration in a kde environment we will leave it for another time) than kmail or any other, but sell the bike by throwing shit on other software ...
Congratulations! You have taken the first step to return to XFCE
LOL. I don't think so .. Total, I've always used Pidgin, Firefox, Gimp, Inkscape and I'm still on KDE 😀
Well, I've been using Thunderbird for a long time, but I was unaware of some of the add-ons you recommend. Thanks for sharing, greetings.
You're welcome. I'm glad they served you.
I think it is very bad taste to talk about one application reviling another ...
I have used kmail, and I have been pleasantly surprised with all the tools it has to help manage, answer and order emails.
For chats and other herbs, there are other better apps
The other tool that I recommend is Claws
In general, I distrust and avoid programs of these large monopolistic companies
Nothing better than a test to prove a comment. (That is to say, make an article supporting the strengths of Kmail compared to other programs). The rest is to comment without any proof.
I have tried several times to get attached to KMail but we ended badly ... I use Thunderbird for my professional emails and SeaMonkey for my personal emails. I agree with everything that is described in the article, I have lived those same situations and that is why I stopped using KMail.
What I think, Roberto, is that you don't like Thunderbird. At no time have I said anything bad about KMail, on the contrary, I recognize its good points but I have only mentioned "what it does not have" compared to Thunderbird.
Claws Mail is an excellent Mail Client, but too simple for my liking, or it doesn't have things that Thunderbird or KMail does.
Another thing, if you refer to Mozilla as one of the big Monopoly companies out there, I think you are wrong company.
Thanks for comment.
I think the one who is reviling against an application is you, trying to cast doubt on Mozilla's intentions, which by the way is NOT a "company" if not a foundation; If you have any doubts about what these terms mean, go to Wikipedia to find out what each thing is about, by the way, the "herbs" to which you refer, is written with "B" of that little eared animal, because with "V" it means to boil ...
* In my case I have always had problems with Kmail, I have tried it on different computers and it has never worked correctly, even many times the application closes without further ado.
* It's funny how the argument of the KDE-fans is always to say that the K application is better than the X application because it has many more built-in functions and blablabla ..., but then when it is the other way around, the argument does not like it and one becomes a troll. That for chatting there are better applications ?. well possibly, but Thunderbird uses "libpurple" for chats (yes, Pidgin's blog), so the chat system shouldn't be bad.
* Mozilla is not a company. is a non-profit foundation that works through donations.
And I'm very surprised that DesdeLinux lends itself to this type of "articles" that seem more like a troll's trick or a bad April Fool's joke.
Second comment you make and the one who seems like a troll is you. I don't see anything wrong with this article, written by me, one of the founders of DesdeLinux. Look, if you don't like the article, then try commenting on more solid grounds.
If you repeat another comment that makes no sense or offends this blog, its users and administrators in any way, I'm sorry, but you will become moderated as we will no longer tolerate behavior of this type on DesdeLinux.
You will know what to do. Lastly, if you have anything else to say, regarding DesdeLinux, or anything else, do not hesitate to send your opinion to my email: elav at desdelinux dot net.
I do not understand the reason for these comments, specifically the two by Roberto and Panko.
Have you really read the article in detail? Is there a time when elav discredits Kmail or explicitly says something offensive towards that software? The only reference he makes to Kmail are two or three sentences explaining the reasons why Kmail does not suit his needs (due to the use of akonadi, use of proxy and saving of messages).
At no point has he told readers that Kmail is bad or not to use it. I really don't understand what those 3 comments are about ... If for you Kmail does what you need, then perfect. Elav needs other features that Kmail doesn't offer at the moment, or doesn't do it the way he wants. It's a good email manager and I don't think anyone on this blog doubts it for a second.
Let's really stop being silly fanaticism and defending, as if your pride had been hurt, one piece of software or another since they are only work tools ... Your life is not going to do it ...
A greeting!
You always learn something new, good post, should use more thunderbird
the only (respectful) criticism I see is of Akonadi, not of Kmail itself. I don't understand the disproportionate reaction calling him a troll. Personally, I never let myself be guided by the default in a DE or OS. I always use the same programs regardless of the platform. Mozilla programs have been ported to various platforms, so they always had my trust, many years ago. Another that was similar was the Opera suite, a pity that they have stopped porting versions to various OS. If the problem is that it is Mozilla, well there are almost identical ice * forks in debian.
Completely agree. Kmail as a mail manager is great, even if it doesn't have the same capabilities as Thunderbird thanks to the extensions. The problems (at least the ones it has given me) come from Nepomuk and Akonadi, which give me the impression of being quite unstable, but that would be the subject of another article.
mmm well I more or less the same, the good thing about thunderbird is that you can use it on several platforms and you are not restricted to a specific environment and desktop, so thunderbird has the advantage that you can use it on windows, linux with kde, gnome, unity , xfce or whatever you want, for me that is important as it offers you that "freedom" of being able to work wherever you want regardless of the environment.
Of course, if you know that you will never abandon kde, then if kmail is doing well for you, it is a good option. I very much doubt that I will abandon kde for another environment since I am adapted to it and it seems to me the most complete, but few times I have considered abandoning thunderbird since it is the one I have always used and I do not see reasons for the change.
Greetings.
Fortunately, Emacs also meets all the functionalities of a mail and messaging client .. !!
GNotifier
Maybe half silly question but I could not answer anywhere. Are the mails downloaded from the server to the pc and deleted on the server and can I only see them locally? If so, is there no way to just manage them without downloading them to the pc?
When you set up your account select IMAP 😉
If we talk about Thunderbird, you can leave the messages on the server without deleting them. To do this you have to enter "Account settings" - "Server settings", and click the "Leave messages on the server" marker.
This option allows you to use the client (Thunderbird) and check your mail with a browser.
You can also "schedule" its deletion by age; or when you delete them from your client they are deleted on the server. This last option I have not used and I do not know how effective it is.
I use Thunderbird, but when I'm in a rush and want speed I use mutt, excellent article!
Regards,
I already wanted to use Thunderbird again 🙂
We are already two
I don't see anything that prevents both of them 😀
Thunderbird downloaded my emails (POP3) much, but much slower than KMail. Also, I don't see any way to add details of the email download ... you know, how many emails I'm downloading, how many KBs or MBs are there, etc.
Good day,
I'd like to know what problems you've had with Akonaid.
As for the other points you name, I hope I have understood well because in kmail I can also do it.
-Configure IMAP and POP3 accounts.
-Configure a proxy (no proxy, Detect proxy configuration automatically, use proxy auto configuration URL, use system proxy configuration, use manually specified proxy configuration)
I also want to introduce you to my good friend Kontact, which connects the post manager, contact manager, calendar, to-do list, feeds (where I happen to be reading this article), notes….
As for the chat, yes, I think your point is valid.
regards
Hello I have a problem with Ubuntu 12.04 update and when I turn on it asks me for login and user I do it and it asks me: ~ $ and I don't know what it asks can you help me?
Very interesting what you have about Thunderbird. Since my Windows days, it has been more than five years since I used it. But I have to ask you a question, and sorry if it sounds offensive, I don't mean at all: Have you really used Kmail more than just skimming it? It's that you say things that no one who has used it seriously can believe.
Let me address almost all of the shortcomings you say Kmail has.
«With Thunderbird I can have as many accounts as I want, whether GMAIL, Yahoo, DesdeLinux, Movistar Correo, Outlook, using IMAP or POP3.»
Exactly the same as in Kmail. I have 2 Gmail accounts, 2 more from GMX.es, one from Autistici.org and another from Openmailbox.org; all by IMAP except one from GMX by POP3.
"As I said before, I can even decide which proxy to use regardless of the system, which with KMail, I can't."
I don't know that anymore because I don't use proxies, but if I'm not mistaken they are configured in KDE, in System Preferences / Proxy, right?
"I can use Thunderbird as a Mail Client, RSS Reader and Messaging Client if I wish"
And is that supposed to be an advantage, reloading the program with features that are more than possible that most people are not interested in? Why do you want a newsreader or messenger who only needs an email client? Better that the mail client be that and nothing more, and stay light.
Whoever wants a complete communications suite has Kontact (http://userbase.kde.org/Kontact/es the documentation is not very complete and is half translated, sorry), with your newsreader: Akregator, your contact manager: Kaddressbook, your agnda, etc; and it is true that the messenger, KTP, is not yet as integrated as it would be desirable but that's where it goes.
Precisely that modularity so that each user installs what they want to use is another key that makes Linux and its environment superior to other SS.OOs: the user decides what they want, they are not forced to carry huge programs that slow down their computer or they eat up disk space unnecessarily if you don't need them (this is not entirely true in precompiled distributions, but if you use Gentoo or something similar, you can choose for example to compile the desktop without support for printers or scanners if you do not plan to use that computer with those devices).
«... that is, I can chat with my Facebook contacts, GMail, and any other service that uses XMPP»
With KTP (http://userbase.kde.org/Telepathy/es) You can chat with all those and with those of Skype, Yahoo, ICQ, IRC rooms, etc, etc; and hopefully it won't take long to implement Telegram support.
«I can take my emails anywhere without any problem. To do this, I just have to copy the ~ / .thunderbird folder. "
~ / .local / share / local-mail / With hidden folders included, of course.
The only thing that I agree with is, on the one hand, in terms of exensions, you are more right than a saint: it is a real backwardness that programs like Kontact / Kmail / KTP, even Konqueror (with all the bad browser it is and how backward they left it in version 4 as a file manager) do not support extensions; and on the other hand, in the gibberish that is Akonadi. Not me emails, but I have lost Kjots notes that have disappeared due to some failure in the management of the Akonadi databases. It is still quite green, but it already fulfills almost everything it promised: to be able to search for an email that contains a specific word from Kicker is wonderful; I no longer have to copy the text of an email that I may need for some class work or for my notes, paste it into a file and save it under a distinctive name in a suitable folder. No, Alt + F2, type and thanks to Akonadi and Nepomuk I will be shown all the emails that contain what I have typed. What has to work better? Sure, but tell me, can you do that with thunderbird?
I greatly respect Thinderbird. It was the program that opened my eyes and showed me that there was a freer world beyond the colorful cage and animated Microsoft dogs. I sincerely believe that it was, and from what you say I do not doubt that it continues to be, an excellent email client, but I do not think that to praise its virtues it is necessary to misinform about its rivals; so I think you should be honest and edit your article to reflect everything I have told you, because the article is fallacious. Of course, check each and every one of the things that I have told you so that you see that I am not a Kontact fan: I know very well that it is far from perfect, but what is true is true, period.
Greetings and sorry for the brick, hehe.
Bravo! Sometimes the comments of readers who know what they are talking about are better than the articles themselves. Hopefully bloggers were better informed before writing. The blogosphere does not lack quantity but quality.
Thanks for sharing your experience, it has been useful to me,
regards
Omar
Thunderbird is a lot better, it's true. What I want to highlight is that recently, the filters (rules) in gmail stopped working for me. Which is pretty critical.
Excellent! I am looking for a complement so that mails badly written, or with errors avoid them and keep sending the next one on the list
I use kmail with several email accounts, filters to leave the emails in their respective folders, etc. and I'm doing very well. I only use it from mail.
I want to migrate because every time I turn on the computer the akonadi-nepomuk is thrown away for half an hour, eating up all the resources.
Is there a mail manager that accepts kmail-PIM export? Or how to change the priority to akonad for ahem. nice 15?
Thank you
Can thunderbird be configured so that when I start linux thunderbird I check my emails without having to click on the program's icon and run it?
In windows there are mail programs that start windows and check the email input.
and if it is possible how do I have to configure it or where it is configured.
Thanks and regards