Intel bets on CPUs soldered to the motherboard

Intel Offices

It seems that in recent times all I have to give is bad news, but no way, that's the way things are. Today's has to do with a trend that plagues both the world of software and hardware and is about the increase in platforms closed to the user, let me explain.

Until now, motherboard manufacturers produce their motherboards from available chipsets, either for Intel or AMD architecture, but not including processors (CPUs), which are added later by end users or by users. OEM integrators, according to their interests, budgets, etc., well, at least as far as Intel is concerned, this is about to change, as confirmed by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes yesterday in a article published in Zdnet, corroborating the rumors about this matter, circulating on the net for some time.

The change is planned to take place with the entry into the market of 14-nanometer processors that will come out with the code name Broadwell, with a BGA (Ball Grid Array) architecture, different from the current LGA (Land Grid Array). Although no information on the matter is available on the official Intel site, as published on the site PC Watch, the appearance of the Broadwell series should take place in the first quarter of 2014.

Now, what does this change from LGA to BGA mean. The LGA packaging currently used allows it to be mounted in a socket or, failing that, soldered directly to the board, while the proposed packaging, the BGA, is not designed for installation in a socket, which means that the processors they must be permanently welded to the plate, as is currently the case with tablets and some laptop models.

This change has a series of implications that allow us to foresee a radical change in the desktop PC market, as we know it today, with its advantages and disadvantages for all parties, which we will try to outline below.

An obvious advantage for end users is that the configurations available through retail integrators will present a better balance between CPU power and board performance, which will result in better equipment performance and a possible longer useful life. It is no secret to anyone that many of these integrators configure their equipment based on the components (mainly boards and CPUs) that they get at a better price point at all times, which gives rise to totally unbalanced equipment, with mid-range processors- high on boards of basic benefits and vice versa.

Another possible advantage will be the expected decrease in the price of the equipment since production costs should be lower, since soldering the CPU directly on the motherboard is cheaper than soldering a socket and then mounting the CPU in the socket. This will have an almost immediate effect on the large OEM integrators, who are currently enthusiastic about the change.

On the other hand, the disadvantages are varied and not negligible. As a first we must mention one that will deeply affect modders and gadget enthusiasts, CPU upgrades are over. We will no longer be able to buy a computer with an affordable price for in the future, with another investment, to update it with a better CPU.

Another disadvantage to take into account is that, in general, the useful life of motherboards is lower than that of CPUs, so that normally, when the motherboard breaks, we have the option of using the same memory and CPU, what would be out of the picture in the future. It remains to be seen what new warranty conditions the manufacturers will offer for the motherboard + CPU set from now on.

The possibility of assembling our own equipment, from configurations selected by us, would be largely eliminated, which is not a small thing for enthusiasts who enjoy this and who I think are still a not inconsiderable part of the market.

It remains to be seen how motherboard manufacturers will react to this change, because for them it would mean being more tied to Intel as a supplier of CPUs and part of the chipsets and, on the other hand, to OEM integrators as almost exclusive customers of their production, losing the Customers who today acquire individual components, either as replacement, upgrade or configuration of new equipment. For my part, the only advantage that I see for them is the possible reduction of the portfolio of models in production that would imply a reduction in their costs.

A viable alternative to solve this problem would be the installation of a type of socket that allows the assembly without welding of Broadwell CPUs, but that would imply an increase in the production costs of motherboards, it remains to be seen if Intel releases for sale in detail the CPUs needed.

On the other hand, we must wait how AMD responds to this situation, if it takes the same path or maintains the packaging of its processors for socket mounting, doing so could gain a significant market share at the expense of modders and small integrators that do not accept the challenge from Intel, but given the current situation AMD is going through, any analysis on this would be extremely speculative.

Although this seems to be a change that will deeply affect the concept of desktop computers as we know them until now, I refuse to think that their main advantage within the current device ecosystem, scalability, will be lost, then if it happens, it would practically spell his death sentence. Let's hope it doesn't happen.


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  1.   k1000 said

    The problem is that AMD is not in its economic prime. It is the turn of the chipset and motherboard manufacturers to oppose it because there they would leave them without a market and for the street.

    1.    Charlie-Brown said

      AMD's compromised situation makes any forecast impossible, but with regard to motherboard manufacturers, more information should be available to venture conclusions, at first glance, this may mean cost reduction for them, which in the current situation of the market is not negligible ...

  2.   cr0t0 said

    It all comes back, I still remember the PC-CHIPS motherboards about 10 years ago that were sold like hotcakes for cyber-cafe, but many people escaped because of the poor scalability they had. Business is getting smaller for independent assemblers. Today laptops are in fashion and if at some point I update my PC I would go directly for an ARM device. This is it, upgrade or die.

    1.    adrian said

      It's true ... 10 years ago I bought my first PC a PCChips M810LR, it had the soldered processor was an AMD Duron 1200+, I think it was actually a Duron 800 Mhz with factory oerclock. I saved several $ in that time and the truth was I had no complaints, it was in production for about 8 years until I retired ... but it should still work ...

      1.    adrian said

        PS: I forgot to mention that I always used GNU / Linux on it, I started with SuSE Linux 6.4, then Mandrake 9.0, followed by again SuSE Linux 9.0 and 9.3, then openSuse 10, then a short time with Kubuntu 6.10, then move on to Debian Etch and end with Debian Lenny. It is also worth mentioning that I tried several more GNU / Linux distros on test partitions, I even installed FreeBSD and NetBSD although I don't remember the versions ...

      2.    commentator said

        A little more than 10 years ago I had a computer with a pcchip board, it had an athlon xp 1900+ processor and a vulcano 7 heatsink, the ram memory was 256. The pcchips boards at that time had many problems and that processor suffered from overheating, so that computer didn't last long.

    2.    Charlie-Brown said

      I remember it too, we used to call that brand PC-SHIT here because of its poor quality, both in the components and in the manufacturing process.

  3.   ubuntero said

    Welcome to the world of programmed obsolescence….

    1.    Linda said

      +1 AMEN

  4.   elav said

    If this is carried out, it would be the opportunity for AMD to take over the reign of the CPUs .. For my part, I only see disadvantages of all this .. Intel, you were cool before ..

    1.    Krim said

      It is strange to me that AMD is going through a bad economic slump because all my acquaintances and I use AMD, come on, I hardly know people who are using Intel microphones.

  5.   Moderate versionitis said

    Too bad .. And I only use Intel (it is the one I get along with best in GNU / Linux)

  6.   coco said

    Scheduled obsolescence, that simple
    They sell you a pc that is cold in the first 2 years so that you cannot repair it or it becomes very expensive and you have to buy another

    1.    Gibran said

      I had a curious case when I had a 2-year warranty (1 + 1 extended), of my Acer lap, one day without more or more it stopped working. I said "Well I have the guarantee", which was my surprise when I checked that it had 3 weeks expired.

      Not satisfied with that, validating the guarantee is a whole viacrusis, I preferred to pay in Plaza de la computación (MEX), $ 700 pesos for the hard drive.

      1.    Charlie-Brown said

        If it is any consolation, the execution of the guarantee is a real headache for everyone, including the large wholesalers, who often charge a provision in the sales prices to cover the possible losses caused by giving guarantees to their customers.

  7.   Blaire pascal said

    Pity. I say goodbye to Intel and say hello to my new AMD with Ati by then. The bad thing is that it will mess with my GNU / Linux in that year.

    1.    Tammuz said

      Well, with ATI, get ready to fight because it doesn't get along with Linux and I'm telling you as a long-suffering AMD user, I'm looking forward to breaking the pc to catch a new one with nvidia or intel

      1.    Marco said

        diverse experiences. my brother has an AMD-based computer and he does great with Linux.

    2.    k1000 said

      I am a happy user of an E-2 APU, with free drivers it works quite well in gnome-shell

  8.   dwarf said

    Too bad, although the truth is I like AMD, I don't like its situation and its attitude towards Linux. Of course, in Phoronix they showed that the new Mesa Gallium drivers (free) in kernel 3.7 in development are really good, not spectacular or the best in the world, obviously they are still surpassed by the Catalyst, although they have the advantage of presenting fewer problems and to be simpler to install, performing quite well for almost everything except high performance games (the traditional GNU / Linux always move above 60 fps) which at least leaves some hope, since for that moment perhaps the things have changed.

    Which AMD is going to seize that opportunity if it presents itself? No idea, but it should do it, and do it aggressively, gamble hard with its entire lineup and offer true cross-platform support, in fact, if it really released its drivers completely, it would take a huge weight off its shoulders and address several of its current shortcomings.

    1.    Charlie-Brown said

      Completely agree with you…

    2.    Krim said

      I am waiting to buy a graphics soon because at the moment I am shooting with an integrated Radeon. I have an AMD Phenom II x4 micro mounted, on a Gigabyte motherboard, and I ask:

      Do you recommend nVidia or ATI to use it on Linux? With a view to making it last a long time and trying to take advantage of it (in case a game falls, and for photo editing).

      Thanks for the help.

      1.    Charlie-Brown said

        About the economic difficulties that AMD is going through at the moment, there are several references on the internet and a lot of speculation, that does not mean that people do not continue to buy AMD products, what happens is that there is uncertainty as to the future of the company, in any case, let's hope it can weather the storm because the disappearance of Intel's most obvious competition is not in anyone's interest.

        When it comes to making a recommendation, what I'm going to do is give you two suggestions: check the independent sites where they benchmark the performance of hardware components, such as Tom's Hardare (http://www.tomshardware.com), that in regards to quality and performance of the graphics and the other is to check the sites and forums of the distro that you normally use or are going to use to verify that the one you select has the appropriate drivers and confront user opinions who already own it.

        I hope it helps you.

  9.   downloads said

    I think that human ingenuity will turn this around, there are those of us who don't want the soup already digested, you see, napster disappeared and was replaced by megaupload, this one disappears and the other one is coming, there is no limit to ingenuity. Cheers

    1.    Charlie-Brown said

      Excuse me for disagreeing with you, but have you ever changed a capacitor on a motherboard? Or tried to go over the soldering of a chip with false contact? Well, trying to desolder a CPU is sooo much more difficult, not to mention that you need tools quite expensive specials to do it. This is not solved with software unfortunately ...

      1.    jorgemanjarrezlerma said

        How about Charlie Brown.

        I do not know if it touched you, but there was a time, when the 386SX processors that by the way were soldered to the motherboard, someone came up with an ingenious idea to superimpose a different CPU using the soldering of the existing one. I do not remember exactly how it worked or what the mechanics were, but I will tell you why we used a 386SX and we needed it to be DX (I know that the mathematical coprocessor was sold separately, but the motherboard did not have that space available). So I do not see anything crazy the comment that makes downloads.

        What I am telling you was about 1990.

        1.    Charlie-Brown said

          Yes, of course, I remember the 386SX, but now I find out that someone came up with that solution, in fact I had one in the office but the board had a socket installed for the mathematical co-processor and despite what the urban legends say , IF they existed because I managed to get one and it worked wonders with it.

          However, I do not think the thing is that simple, nor compare the number of "legs" of a 386 with those that a Broadwell will surely have, if already today with the i7 they go for a thousand and so, I can't imagine how many it will have and density of them per square centimeter. This type of welding is only achieved in industrial facilities.

          Hopefully you're right and I'm wrong because I really don't like this change.

  10.   ErunamoJAZZ said

    hahaha, intel intel ... I see where they are going: ultrabooks and that style.
    It is that for desktops, it is stupid to want to buy a processor soldered to the board, and AMD is definitely going to take advantage of that, I recently read that they really wanted to unify the same socket for all their processor models.

    Do not forget either that both Intel and AMD are already owned by the same owners, they are putting each company in a different sector 😛

  11.   msx said

    I don't know how bad this can get unless I truly cut out any possibility of custom rigging.

    If we analyze it coldly, except for very special cases today no one builds their custom equipment:
    1. Laptops (and especially the new ultralight ones) are computers with these characteristics, beyond adding more memory, neither the CPU nor the GPU can be changed.
    2. AIO (All-in-One) equipment follows the same trend and more and more AIO Atom are sold everywhere since the characteristics of this processor widely satisfy browsing Face $ hit, sending emails and using a office suite.
    3) Are minitower equipment still sold !? If so, I wouldn't be surprised if 99% of those computers have a motherboard with a GPU and an integrated sound card to which they add a low-to-midline CPU and memory dimms.

    As long as they don't do the Apple bitch of selling you a machine with the memory soldered to the mother (it has to be h. Of p. Ehhhh) buying a moderately powerful machine we have equipment for a while ...
    My humble lap is a 5st gen i1 and it runs KDE SC 4.9.3 with an external monitor (8 virtual desktops in total) like the gods, and I have had it for a year and a half and from what I see it will last a long time. Surely the day I change it I am going to buy a smartphone with Ubuntu or something similar that I can connect to a monitor and keyboard and I forget forever about carrying a hulk in tow! xD

    1.    Charlie-Brown said

      "If we analyze it coldly, except for very special cases today no one builds their custom equipment" ... I am surprised by this statement, because in fact, modders represent a significant part of the market for high-end and very high-end components, and for Challenge them to the most lucrative segment of their market, on the other hand, if you don't appreciate the pleasure that doing this represents for many of us, it's not worth explaining to you.

      1.    msx said

        What a mania to give hipsters names to everything, I built my own machines 10 years before a marketing genius came up with a cool name for the skinny guys who build a hyper-skinny machine to play Crysis

        Nah, as Juan Carlos says, traditional desktops today do not make sense unless of course, you are a "modder" and you build an impossible machine to dream of a few years ago to use little games.

        1.    Charlie-Brown said

          And who told you that I have ever built a PC to play games? ... we repeat without knowing. If a computer with 2 capture tuner cards (1 for satellite TV + HD and another for terrestrial TV) plus a RAID card, all about a high-performance motherboard with a powerful CPU and sufficient memory is a game equipment, then you are right.

          1.    josue said

            Excuse the curiosity, but what is the purpose of this maquia?

          2.    msx said

            I figured this was a possible answer B)

            In this case, I have to tell you that you are not an end user and that your needs are _very_ specific, just as specific as those that a musician might have and that he will assemble his own workstation with sound cards, RT kernel and all the little things. that I could use. Again, this type of musician is not exactly the one that abounds 😉

            An end user who has certain economic resources -or does not but does get them- and who is going to dedicate himself in a professional way to audio / video and does not have technical knowledge of computers buys a Mac directly, the rest today buy an AIO or a notebook with Windows. Of those that remain, a tiny minority buy a traditional desktop with the intention of scaling it and expanding it in the future, they are counted on the fingers of one hand, since in addition to their own professional needs they must have advanced computer knowledge because a machine like the one you name not the weapon or your old woman or my uncle, go and explain about jumpers, irq conflicts, bus speeds ...

            Come on man, except for very particular situations, the machines armed at ease are unfortunately on the verge of extinction, which is a double bitch because if with one of these machines a component stops working and you have the knowledge to diagnose it, you change it and voila, with an AIO or a note you will run out of machine until they return it from the service 😛

          3.    Charlie-Brown said

            @josue: In addition to using it as a workstation for everything you can imagine, I used it to tune in to satellite TV and record the programs (it was good while it lasted sñif…), export the image to TV and also act as a NAS for the rest of the computers on the network. Luckily some time later I built another PC with a desktop type chassis where the tuner cards went, managing to configure an incipient HTPC.

            @msx: Well, just so you can see, I do not consider myself such an atypical user, perhaps it is because many of my friends and acquaintances also like gadgets, besides that for a long time the only way to have a PC around here was to build one by himself or by entrusting the task to someone, so that culture has permeated people quite a bit. In fact, at home we have only had a factory assembled PC, an HP station, and it was a gift that they gave me. And yes, I confess guilty, I love all that stuff about the jumpers, IRQs and other details that others surely find boring.

            I do not think that the armed machines are in danger of extinction, what unfortunately happens is that they want to extinguish them, because such a team normally lasts several years, at home I have one that is already 8 years old and continues to battle, while those AIOs still It remains to be seen how long they last.

            I have never liked that others decide for me, and it is one of the reasons why I prefer free software, so imagine how I feel about "someone" choosing what my PC could be like and what I need.

        2.    Krim said

          Doesn't it make sense to build your own PC? I have not done anything else in my entire life. I buy the components to my liking and where I like the most, and I enjoy assembling the tower, and a quality tower with a good price, not the crap that they sell you out there at high prices.

          I doubt that whoever understands this will buy an already armed tower, it seems impossible for that to happen. And if I'm wrong, you tell me.

          1.    Charlie-Brown said

            Ok, you can see that you are one of mine!… +100

  12.   frame said

    It is evident that there is a tendency to want to remove the desktop PC from the common user, who would have cell phones, tablets, netbooks, ultrabooks, notebooks, or these oliwan «PCs» and for gamers the wii, playstation, xbox, etc.

    In other words, the idea is that the computer is an appliance that is used and exchanged for another when it becomes obsolete, and that people live in increasingly smaller apartments, with less space for PCs and between work and time traveling to work they need something that gives them connectivity and is portable

    1.    msx said

      "It is evident that there is a tendency to want to remove the desktop pc from the common user,"
      What is the foundation of that conspiracy theory !?
      I believe that there is a genuine need to use portable devices interconnected by cloud services, at least personally the tablet / smartphone combo solves a good part of my computing requirements as an end user.

      With the power that these devices have, it is becoming more and more unnecessary to have a desktop computer, although it will never be completely replaced - at least the use of a large monitor and a real keyboard - Intel's move does not do more to follow the path that the market takes, increasingly influenced by conscious and informed buyers.

      I do not think that anyone wants to sell us anything of prepo, on the contrary, every time a technology company wants to do something like that it always goes wrong, today people are much more and better informed than years ago and they do not want to waste their money that you find so hard to earn on products that you do not consider suitable or according to your needs or taste.

      1.    frame said

        msx I think you are misinterpreting the meaning of my words, I was referring to the fact that there is a "tendency" to dethrone the pc, promoted by companies (hardware and software (win8 gnome3)) and accepted by the people.

        Particularly this of the computers-electrical appliances, where the battery is soldered, together with the ram and now the processor does not please me, I prefer the desktop pc that I can build with the components I want (as long as the money reaches me xddd)

        "I don't think anyone wants to sell us any prepo" mmm ... there is something called an advertising campaign xddd
        »Today people are much more and better informed than years ago» mmm…. people look at the price and the amount of fees and then end up buying every piece of trash

        1.    msx said

          "I was referring to the fact that there is a" tendency "to dethrone the pc, promoted by companies (hardware and software (win8 gnome3)) and accepted by the people."
          In this particular I do not agree so much, it does not seem to me to be like that, I think there is an evident tendency to look for portable and powerful products and by decantation the desktop is relegated to the background ...

          «Particularly this of the computers-appliances, where the battery is soldered, together with the ram and now the processor does not please me,»
          Pfff, no way, did you hear what Apple did with the new MBPs? When you buy them you have to choose with how much memory you want it because it is welded to the machine !!! WTF!

          «I prefer the desktop pc that I can build with the components that I want (as long as I can afford xddd)»
          Personally, today I don't have much use for a desktop as such, that is, AIO, minitower, etc .: yes, I have a 17,1 ″ laptop that I use as if it were a desktop to which I also connect a 23 ″ LG monitor that I used until a year ago on the desktop that now makes a NAS 🙂

          «" I don't think anyone wants to sell us any prepo "mmm ... there is something called an advertising campaign xddd»
          HAHA, yes you're right, reading it like that it sounded very stupid as I wrote it xDD
          What I meant is that it doesn't seem to me that they want to sell us something in exchange for something else, that is, it doesn't seem to me that the industry is looking especially for the death of the desktop, the desktop is going to languish for a long time yet until we have a wristwatch All in One to show us a holographic screen (!!!)… okay, I don't know if we'll ever see that screen, but it will die slowly, sign it.

          »Today people are much more and better informed than years ago” mmm…. people look at the price and the amount of fees and then end up buying every piece of trash
          I agree, but I would dare to say that this happens more than anything here in Latin America where the discard hangover always arrives.
          If you ever have the opportunity to watch television from other countries (Europe, Australasia, USA & Canada) you will be surprised by the amount of advertisements related to software or technology that there are, not only that, but also fixed blocks in the news talking about software, hardware , etc.
          Bad or bad in the countries of those regions the general public is a little more used to dealing with technology and powerful computer equipment in general is * much * more accessible than here in Latin America where import taxes, customs duties and other surcharges are turn into sumptuous objects 😛
          For example, the MBP Retina (which is not retina because it does not reach retina resolution but they promote it like that), which in the rest of the world is worth US $ 2700 here in Argentina, a model with less specs easily costs US $ 4200, I mean u $ s1500 more, with the exception that a 2700 green anywhere is a good twine but for someone who has a good salary can definitely buy it, here in Arg. u $ s4200 is inaccessible for 97% of the population, it's basically insane when it comes to wages and cost of living.

          Health!

        2.    Juan Carlos said

          The point is that with the power that notebooks now have, it doesn't seem to make much sense to go around putting together a desktop PC. The last one I built was about 5 years ago (never in my life bought an armed tower), until I bought my Acer, which is now in the possession of my daughter, and now with my Lenovo. The truth is that I do not miss the "hulk" at all, and now the only thing I use it for is to give it club and club with Linux distributions. Well, not for now because my monitor burned out.

          On the other hand, in the case that you buy an armed PC, there is almost no difference in price, so I prefer to stay on the laptop. Tablet? no, well, to me, seeing a really useless toy to work with, bah, for everything, there is no way they can convince me that they are useful for something.

          regards

          1.    Flour said

            There is still a huge difference between portable devices and conventional desktop computers.

            Even in "equal" components, the desktop sets will perform more, being able to cool better and not have space problems.

            It all depends on the use that you want to give it, since it is true that for everyday things an excessively powerful equipment is not necessary and can be done with an affordable laptop, but for tasks that require more hardware power, laptops are a solution much more expensive than a desktop and cannot offer the same performance.

            It all comes down to what we look for / need when acquiring the equipment and also the capital we want / can invest in it. It is very common to see people who acquire portable equipment due to its mobility / size when what they really needed is a power that this equipment does not give them and people who buy a “hulk, when in reality what they were looking for was mobility and saving space and with they had a laptop to spare.

          2.    Charlie-Brown said

            For me, the advantage of the traditional PC over notebooks and other mobile devices does not lie in power, but in scalability. For 10 years I have been using notebooks, unfortunately today I do not have any (very sad face) and I find the traditional keyboard and monitor uncomfortable, but I have always had at least 1 PC at home (usually 2), all of them configured and assembled by me, including add-on cards for RAID-installed disks, tuner / capture cards, etc., this with a laptop is practically impossible, so I believe that the PC will continue to play a central role in the ecosystem of current and future devices in a short time. medium term.

  13.   Ñandekuera said

    The micro soldered to the mother soldered to the cabinet nailed to the desk glued to the floor of the house ... and you flashed the BIOS wrong ... fa ...

    1.    william_oops said

      Hahaha… excellent.

      He passed. Step of facebook, step of the «smartphones» (if you saw the mobile phone I have…), step of the «Cloud Computing», step of the tablet, step of not being able to build my own p # to PC with the p # c components that I choose (the most fun part of the upgrade). I happen to be led to believe that it is necessary to buy a new PC every 2 years. I go from being unaware of programmed obsolescence, much less embracing it happily.

      On the other hand, fortunately, I don't know what they mean when they say that with AMD it is not possible in gnu / linux, I have chosen amd / ati for as long as I can remember. My last gpu, HD6670 did not look good (everything moved to one side) when installing Ubuntu 12.04, it was a matter of installing the latest driver (unfortunately proprietary) from the manufacturer.

      The APU concept (SOC) seems great to me, especially for certain types of solutions like HTPCs, for example. But I would not like the traditional CPU option (FX in this case) to be eliminated for when it is necessary.

      Far from taking away options, it would be great if they would give us more options, for example, the possibility of assembling with ARM CPUs.

      Options guys, options ... the more the better ... in fact, that (among other things) is what makes GNU / Linux great (although there are those who read it as unpleasant fragmentation)

    2.    msx said

      hahahahahahahahaha ahhh, what a boludín! xD

  14.   José Miguel said

    A topic that will give a lot to talk about ...

    In terms of quality and performance in the case of Intel, almost indisputable. But the problem goes in other directions, and it is mainly an increase in consumption. More CPUs will be sold and that at the business level is irresistible.

    From now on, the replacement of the motherboard, by incorporating the CPU, will be economically unfeasible. That means more garbage and more PC consumption. Everyone is happy.

    We can no longer speak of planned or perceived obsolescence, but rather of obsolescence in capital letters.

    Greetings.

  15.   pandev92 said

    There will always be solutions apart, of that I am sure.

  16.   kikilovem said

    From this moment I already know that I should not go towards Intel processors.
    All this is nothing more than capitalist measures, of producing to use quickly and throwing away and buying again. Produce and throw away. It is the same with appliances or cars, or televisions. All this has a time more than calculated by the companies. That it lasts for a limited time and that it breaks and there is no choice but to replace it with a new one. The pagan of all this we are the users and the environment that is degrading and the beneficiaries, logically, the companies. Therefore I withdraw what was said above about Intel: The same thing has to be Intel that AMDE in the medium term everyone will have to buy again, if they have clear money. All this has much more depth than it seems and it is not possible to summarize it in a simple post.

    1.    william_oops said

      as is kikilovem ... as is ...

  17.   jorgemanjarrezlerma said

    How about community.

    Everyone from their respective points of view is right, but the reality is that the trends indicate that mobility is king and it will be unless something else happens. The desktop PC's will be as All In One says if it is true that more varato comes out and of producing more motherboards with micro soldered. I prefer everything that can be assembled due to durability, reliability and scalability, but if you look today, almost all equipment is designed to be disposable at most in 5 years, no matter what type or use of equipment.

    The advantage that those of us who use Linux and even UNIX have is that they give a longer life to the equipment, for example I have a Pentium 3 with 512 RAM and 200GB IDE DD (although they do not believe it) and with Arch and openBOX works wonders and doesn't ask a lot of a relatively new PC.

    1.    Charlie-Brown said

      Unfortunately you are right in what you say, and I say "unfortunately" because the consequences of these tendencies will be paid by all, literally, in hard cash.

  18.   Juan said

    this sounds to me like intel is going bankrupt, learn from the problems that 360 and play 3 consoles have that get screwed every year by welding, if intel changes i will go to AMD without thinking about it since they will continue with the socket.
    Well, on the other hand they say that they reduce production costs if they can reduce it but it will be more expensive with the world of guarantees that they will have to give for cards that do not give video or do not read drive or hard disk because of chip soldering, there is where AMD will emerge as a king since people seeing these problems without thinking will go to AMD
    I HOPE INTEL DON'T FUCK HER AS INTEL IS MY FAVORITE