KDE SC How heavy and slow is it? My opinion

I am writing this article to discuss a bit about that issue that KDE SC It is a heavy Desktop Environment, which consumes many resources, which is disorganized, and all those arguments that we already know.

I was a user of XFCE, excellent Desktop Environment that still awakens very good feelings in me today, but I changed it the day I found that in a HP Mini 110 Netbook, had a performance very similar to that of KDE SC 4.8, about Debian.

EYE. I mean before continuing (and I may be very wrong) that for me Performance y Consumption they are two totally different things. When i talk about Consumption I mean what an application uses RAM o CPU. When i talk about Performance, I mean how fluid such an application can be, regardless of the Consumption.

And I say again: XFCE 4.10 had the performance very similar to KDE SC 4.8 in a HP Mini 110 Netbook. What was the catch back then? Well disable Nepomuk + Akonadi and kill some processes when starting the desktop.

Do we need the Semantic Desktop?

Ok, I know what they are going to say:

KDE without Nepomuk is not KDE, it is not semantic, and that is what makes it stand out from the rest of the desktops.

And that's when I tell them they are partly right. I explain:

It is true that KDE is well known for being the semantic desktop, and that once you adapt to working this way, you can't live without Nepomuk y Akonadibut I'll tell you something, I don't see it that way.

If there is something that makes KDE powerful, that something is its applications. I'm talking about Dolphin, Okular, Gwenview, KRunner, just to mention a few. All these applications do not need Nepomuk + Akonadi to do what they do And you know what? They are the best of their kind.

Nautilus, PCManFM, Thunar, Pantheon Files, they all have their good points, but all together do not compete against Dolphin in terms of options and features.

Evince, xPDF, or any other PDF viewer falls short of Okular, which not only allows us to view these types of files, but also a lot of other formats.

Gwenview? Well, honestly, sometimes I don't know if I'm in front of a viewer or an image editor. There may be many lighter or more beautiful, but none is more complete.

And it was all this precisely, what made me go from XFCE a KDE and not Nepomuk + Akonadi. Have a KDE no effects, no semantic desktop, it's the same as using XFCE o LXDE well none of these have any of that, and the best of all is that KDE it's much, much more customizable than these two put together.

Accessibility and Ease of use

Thunar now she has eyelashes, but she didn't have them before. It does not have an integrated console. It has no panels. It does not have an integrated search engine. It does not have file display options (Open compressed as a folder, for example).

In other words, anyway we are much more productive using KDE than any other Desktop Environment. They can come and tell me that they are adapted, that they do not mind opening an external search engine, or an external terminal, but let's be honest, that does not mean that they can stop doing in 3 or 4 steps, what a KDE user can do in one .

KDE is not a pen

What KDE is heavy? Well, it has to be, it is the most complete Desktop Environment that exists. The only one that has an application for almost everything we normally do, and even for what we do not do. It lacks absolutely nothing.

What KDE is slow? If we compare it with LXDE u OpenBox Maybe, but I am an eyewitness that with each new version of KDE, the speed increases when executing the applications and in many cases, it is faster than other Desktops.

What KDE does it consume? Well of course, if only when starting KRunner It is enough, but precisely KRunner does the function of 4 applications together.

However Be careful, be very careful !!! I use a laptop that has 4GB of RAM and when consumption skyrockets it's because I open other third-party applications like Mozilla Firefox for example.

And even so, NEVER, but never, have I seen that with Firefox, Pidgin, Choqok, Nautilus, brackets, Amarok (or Clementine), LibreOffice, Yakuake and other applications open at the same time, the Consumption exceed 2GB of RAM. And the best of all is that Performance, still excellent.

The only time I exceed 2GB is when I have all those applications open and I also have a virtual machine running with KVM, which has 1GB of RAM assigned, and of course, it is logical that it goes off.

KDE Better or worse?

You know Some time ago I was just complaining that in KDE everything was separated, the colors, the theme of KWin, the theme for Plasma, etc. The panel of Las System preferences It made me very big, cumbersome and difficult, but once you adapt, you discover that so much fragmentation is a virtue and not a defect.

Honestly, tell me they don't use KDE because they like GNOME, Cinnamon, Pantheon, XFCE, LXDE, OpenBox, E17, etc ... I understand. Everyone is free to choose and use what they want, but that they do not use KDE because it is Heavy and It consumes many resources, I question it.

As I also question the criteria of those who tell me that they do not use KDE because it is adapted to XFCE, the Unity and Windows. My people, if there is a Desktop Environment that with a little idea (and sometimes patience) can be configured the same as the rest (as mentioned above), that is KDE.

Of course, there will always be the one who out of habit can no longer leave his GTK Desktop and I understand that (for example, compa @yoyo), but at least he has tried KDE and knows what he can or cannot do, and has a solid basis to choose. according to your preferences.

Si KDE it is better or worse, it depends on the taste and criteria of each one. I'm just saying give it a try. Install a Arch Linux or any other distribution with KDE 4.11 and try, I'm sure you will see the difference that has been left behind with versions lower than the one 4.10.

I leave open the debate. 😉


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  1.   Ghermain said

    I've tried all the desktops and the ONLY one I'm comfortable with is KDE.
    I have a Samsung RV408 laptop with 8GB RAM partitioned with W7 and Kubuntu 13.04 and when for necessity I have to go to W7 I notice the big difference with KDE, so much so that I better installed a virtual XP within Kubuntu so as not to have to go to the other side (that's because I need applications that are not yet available for GNU / Linux).
    I also have an Exomate x352 netbook with 2GB RAM (partitioned with W7) to which I put Kubuntu 13.04 and the only thing I did apart from deactivating Nepomuk and Akonadi (I never knew what they can do for me) was to install the package "kubuntu-fat-low -settings »and adapt the desktop to Kubuntu-netbook-plasma, reboot and… Fly! even with a virtual XP running, LibreOffice, Firefox and Chomium open; it does not hang or go slow.
    It's my personal experience, I never saw or found KDE heavy from the first time I used it.

  2.   Ivan Barra said

    An opinion that I fully share, KDE is, in my opinion, the best desktop that exists, although I differ the subject of akonadi and nepomuk, personally I use them a lot, I still have a good machine and the performance is not affected at all It still consumes a lot of ram, but it is not a problem either (at least for me).

    At least, there is always the possibility of installing KDE essentials and then installing applications and services according to how they are needed.

    Anyway, for tastes, colors, I know people who have been using KDE for years and they always say that they would never change it (due to the productivity issue), although I think that with any desktop, you can do anything, it is a net matter of taste . Since I started in linux with OpenSUSE 9.3 (KDEra distro), I have always used it and it has worked for me the most, I have used others like Gnome (when KDE changed to version 4), but I always end up coming back.

    Greetings.

  3.   x11tete11x said

    Fast! to look for the protective suits !, a sandstorm is coming xD

    1.    elav said

      Hahahaha .. No no, I just want a healthy and objective debate ..

      1.    dwarf said

        You can't have that when you talk about KDE being great, everyone burns xD

  4.   moscosov said

    Hello, good analysis, just add the fact that if those applications you name are powerful without Nepomuk and Akonadi, when activating these two services they are frankly spectacular, I cannot imagine using Dolphin without the Kioslaves because they really make everything easier, for years I used Thunderbird as a mail client until I decided to configure Kmail and enjoy a true integration with the desktop and as you say Krunner is simply amazing.
    I recommend you read a series of articles written by Ernesto Manríquez about the correct configuration of Nepomuk and Akonadi, after following the steps recommended there, the aforementioned heaviness of KDE becomes an urban myth.

    I leave you the last article of the series that contains the links to the previous articles https://blog.desdelinux.net/bienvenido-al-escritorio-semantico-parte-7-y-final-la-instalacion-perfecta/

    Greetings.

  5.   elendilnarsil said

    Well, I came across KDE one cold winter afternoon. Ubuntu 11.04 had left me disenchanted and decided to look elsewhere. I came across Debian, and opted to take a chance with KDE. Since then, I have fallen in love with this environment. It is true that at first I found the level of options overwhelming, but over the years, I discovered its power and versatility. There were times when I tried to give it up, but it was for a short time. Sooner or later he would return. And it is that I understood that I could not live without Amarok (for me the best player in the world), Choqok, Okular, Marble (simply amazing), K3b (without equivalent in any other environment due to its multiple options, flexibility and power), and Dolphin (could you say more?). And although I don't have the resources to use a distro right now, I will definitely be back to enjoying KDE as soon as I can.

  6.   sc said

    Simply saying that it is a complete and adaptable desktop environment for any taste.

  7.   Windóusico said

    KDE SC 4 Better or worse? If I didn't consider it the best desktop environment for GNU / Linux, I wouldn't use it as my first choice (and I've been using it for a long time).

    It seems logical to me that everyone seeks the best (within their preferences and limitations) and I understand that there are other valid or "better" options depending on what things. But that does not prevent me from being amazed by the excuses that some kderofobes make to degrade an environment that beats its competitors by a landslide (see stability, applications and configurations of both).

  8.   spyker said

    Even using KDE and being my favorite environment, what makes me fall behind is the gtk integration of some applications that make the user experience a bit coarse.

    And you don't have to go very far, the 2 most used browsers, Mozilla's and Google's are in GTK and no matter how much Oxygen-GTK theme you put on it, you can't see and work as well as if it were in a GTK environment . At least in my experience.

    The same with LibreOffice, I do not feel comfortable when I write texts in Write, I have to switch to XFCE because it is not fluid and how well I would like it to be.

    1.    elav said

      Apps look great using proper QtCurve theme 😉

      1.    eliotime3000 said

        That's true.

      2.    Ñandekuera said

        For example? I used Oxygen Transparent for a long time, but recently I put Qtcurve and it looks good.

      3.    dwarf said

        Or bespin, or whatever you want, the truth hahaha xD

    2.    cat said

      I use oxygen-gtk and the applications perform well for me.

      1.    eliotime3000 said

        I am doing wonders with Oxygen.

    3.    pandev92 said

      Well, I don't know ... I may have gotten used to it, but with chrome I don't see anything that makes me think that it is a gtk application ..., in any case I just notice that it is not a kde application.

  9.   one of some said

    The heavy thing will be someone who has a PII because I have a PIV @ 2'6Ghz with a measly gig of ram and it works perfectly with Debian Squeeze and I don't have Nepomuk disabled.

    1.    one of some said

      Sorry I wanted to say Debian Wheezy, is that the güindows this drives me crazy 🙂

  10.   eliotime3000 said

    It cannot be more true. The claim I made about KDE being a pen is because I followed your Debian Wheezy + KDE tutorial and actually my 2.8Ghz Pentuim D with 1GB RAM and 256MB Intel integrated video worked without major issues with KDE.

    Another thing that has really awakened me good memories is having the usual applications, but as soon as I saw what Dolphin and other applications were like, I liked them because they were really tangible and useful.

    And as I mentioned in my post about my migration from GNOME to KDE, it was for the mere reason that GNOME 3 was destabilized by running Nautilus and FileRoller in superuser mode (which has never happened to me with GNOME 2 on Debian Squeeze).

    While I consider trying MATE one day, it will be as soon as it is one of Debian's official desktop environments, as MATE currently does not meet Debian's requirements for it to be included as an official desktop environment.

    1.    itachi said

      I think that neither kde nor gnome are alternatives, there is a whole niche of users (those who leave XP) and we are going to let them escape by using such highly "innovative" environments (and take the innovative thing as you like).

      1.    cat said

        The best for those who leave XP is LXDE, it will seem very familiar, runs as fluid as a newly installed XP and is as (little) configurable as Windows.

      2.    eliotime3000 said

        And I think many people are terrified just by looking at desktops that use Awesome, Openbox or Fluxbox because they still follow the GUI paradigm.

        With GNOME, you feel lost because your options are pretty trite; with KDE it may be that even a Windowser will accommodate your options; with XFCE and LXDE I think that few are going to keep that desktop, but they would only do it if the hardware they have is bad enough or very obsolete (the same I say about Openbox, Fluxbox, Awesome and others).

        1.    cat said

          The XFCE I do not accept it, it is the most complete and customizable lightweight desktop of all, and it is the 2nd in total after KDE.

      3.    pandev92 said

        Most of those who leave xp will end up moving to 7 .., except those who are in underdeveloped countries.

  11.   Maximiliano said

    Look, I've been using it for years with ArchLinux, probe others, Gnome3, Xfce, Lx, another Enlightement or something like that, the truth is that when you install another desktop environment of these you have to show that you know how to use the terminal, why can't you find a rubber is all hidden or for everything you have to install another package another package and another package as if you were to use windows xp again and you had to install 300 drivers, also at this point although it can be discussed, it is a joke to talk about consumption, The simple notes in the market are coming with 4gb of ram, more than enough, I have Kde since my note had 2gb of ram from the factory and I never had drama is more I raised Vms of Kvm obviously, today I have 8gb of ram in it Note with two monitors connected more or less 20 Chromium 3vms tabs above 2 CentOs and a RHEL, Skype, Awn, and also many effects and a 4-sided cube desktop… .if you need to see how it runs I will make a video for you. Cheers!

  12.   xxmlud said

    Great post. We look forward to a new post on Optimize the latest version of KDE;), although I don't think there is much to add to 4.8

    regards

    1.    elav said

      In fact, with each new version of KDE you have to optimize less 😀

  13.   debian + gnome said

    Gentlemen, stop trying to convince humanity. each one uses what he wants and does it based on the reasons that for him are the truest, the most solid and the ones that make the most sense. preferences are like that, they don't make much sense to other people, only to us. elav uses KDE because it gives you what you need, configuration, power, stability, etc. I use GNOME because, frankly, I don't need 400 options to read a pdf, nor do I spend 25 mins customizing all the K3B options to be able to burn a disk. what I need is that the pdf is read, that the disk burns and that the desktop looks decent without having to configure each effect separately for 40 long minutes.
    KDE for those who want customization in each application, GNOME for those who need that most of the things fulfill their function out of the box, without having to configure every last detail.
    Luckily there are several desktop environments, can you imagine if only KDE existed, or GNOME, or XFCE ??? maybe many of us would continue using Windows ...
    Thank goodness there is free software.

    1.    Giskard said

      + 1E100

    2.    eliotime3000 said

      In fact, free software is the one that adapts to each type of paradigm that a person has. Proof of this is the immense amount of GNU / Linux distros that are everywhere.

    3.    dwarf said

      Hey, sorry for how I'm going to sound, but what you're saying is ridiculous.

      KDE is not for those who want "everything customizable" and Gnome everything "Out of the box", you are assuming that KDE is like Arch, that you should mount it and nothing else wrong.

      In KDE I can open a PDF like this, with a simple click and start reading it, I do absolutely nothing to Okular, he only has the options there in case I need them, and you know? In 90% of cases, highlighting text, moving the pages with the cursor, etc., is extremely useful to me.

      Move a thousand things to K3B to burn a record? What do you smoke that you don't share? I just open it, choose the CD I want to burn and the info and I give it forward, ready, magic done. And I go back to the same thing, if I want to do something to him, well I can, something that gnome will not allow me or will allow me.

      I am not against what you say about wanting to convince people, but here no one tries to do it, or at least not the article, just talk about a wrong convention that many have about KDE, what I do not share is you very very very wrong idea that KDE must be thoroughly customized to use.

      1.    eliotime3000 said

        That is completely true.

      2.    elav said

        That's right .. KDE plus Out the Box can't be .. U_U

        Point for the eNano.

      3.    debian + gnome said

        sorry if I expressed myself wrong. I didn't mean that to use KDE you have to configure it.
        Maybe it's a matter of taste, but the default behavior of the KDE software doesn't convince me, so I have to get my hands on it to make it suit my needs. the opposite happens to me with GNOME applications, very, very basic but they work the way I want and only with 3 clicks on the only 3 options that it brings can I change something that does not fit me. as I said it is a matter of taste.
        maybe I'm getting old, but so many, so many options overwhelm me haha. Good for KDE for providing options to configure the cursor animation, but to ME it is not something that attracts me to use it, but a point that keeps me from using it. I'll stick with my fallback gnome and my debian wheezy.
        however, make no mistake, both KDE and GNOME as UNITY and Cinnamon, are heavy! but they are modern desktops for modern PCs !! no Quad Core, no Core i3 with 4Gb of RAM feel that way. What happens is that we want to remain tied to the paradigm that Linux works on all PCs, even old women, and we want to bust a 4 GHz p2.4 with 1 Gb of RAM with KDE 4.11 or GNOME 3.10 and that doesn't work.
        Is KDE heavy? no! It is a Desktop Enviroment from 2013, put it on a PC from 2013 and problem solved. If you don't have a 2013 PC, then you'll have to tighten your pants and wait a little for Okular to load.
        regards

  14.   cat said

    It seemed like a good analysis to me, now the only thing that is slow in KDE is the startup but I had heard that there is a project to speed it up.

    1.    elav said

      I haven't tried KDE 4.11.1 yet, but according to the official announcement Plasma should boot a lot faster.

      1.    eliotime3000 said

        It should be faster than 4.8.4 or 4.8.5, so there shouldn't be as many problems.

      2.    cat said

        I was viewing that Daniel Nicoletti (one of the KDE developers) was working on a project called sessionk which aims to improve the boot time, but I do not know what it will have been since the news is 6 months ago and still nothing.

  15.   Giskard said

    Let's see, you say that KDE is similar to XFCE when you take away I don't know what things ... For God's sake! That is like saying that a gandola goes faster when it is not carrying a load. It is a terrible comparison. If you want to be fair then take things away from XFCE as well and do the comparison. By the way, I'm also faster than Bolt running if they tie the guy's legs first. You see? It is meaningless comparison.
    KDE is heavy dude. No doubt. It's ready? If it is! Is it configurable? No doubt! Consume less resources than XFCE? Not even a pod! Things as they are. KDE is prettier than XFCE, that's not debatable. It has things that others do not have, but perhaps most users are not interested in day to day, so having them there on standby consuming memory and / or resources is a terrible waste.
    My machine is old. It's a Dell Inspiron E1505 laptop with just 1.5GB of RAM. I love her very much and that's why I wouldn't kill her by putting KDE in her.
    Do the tests on equal terms. If not, you are simply cheating.

    1.    cat said

      The problem is people who complain because it is heavy but has a lot of RAM and a lot of CPU (I don't want to say that it is your case, it is my generalist view of the facts).

      1.    eliotime3000 said

        It could not be more true.

    2.    elav said

      Well, let's start from the fact that the only thing that can be removed from XFCE is the occasional application that starts at startup. No more. I'm wrong? If you take things away from KDE it doesn't become the same as XFCE, it becomes better.

      I tell you from my own experience. With Debian, my XFCE booted up consuming 64MB of RAM. As I opened applications, the consumption was the same as with KDE, which started with 340MB more or less, but the performance was worse with XFCE. I swear by the kangaroo bag.

      Now I have this Laptop with 4GB of RAM, but previously I had the Netbook with 1GB of RAM and an Intel Atom processor, and as I said in the post, I went without problems to KDE because it had more complete applications, the consumption was almost the same ( about 30MB above) but the performance was much better.

      1.    eliotime3000 said

        RAM helps your Intel Atom a lot, so KDE 4.8 would run smoothly there. I still don't encourage myself to use Arch on a real machine so most of the things that have to be done is manually and Slackware has the settings already pre-established to be able to customize them as you please without having to do them from zero.

    3.    eliotime3000 said

      My HP Workstation has 1GB of RAM and I'm doing great. If your processor is a 2 Ghz Core 2 Duo, I understand you, since KDE 4.8.4 at least my PC has a 2.8 Ghz Pentium D and it doesn't feel heavy.

  16.   Dragnell said

    Mine is genetic predisposition to KDE, look that I have given it a chance and used it for months but there is always something that pulls me back ………… ..

    1.    itachi said

      it is that something that kde4 has that does not finish converging, I could not say what it is but it also throws me back.

  17.   Yoyo said

    Excellent entry, elav, and I don't take my hat off because the sun hits my hair and I burn it.

    There are people who believe me anti-KDE, on the contrary, one thing is the jokes, my little and inoffensive tricks, and another thing is to be serious and with fundamentals.

    I've been using KDE since 3.x intermittently and I've been through all of them, but it's not my thing, although I configure it to my liking and as I've said on occasion, KDE is too much for me and I don't need as much .

    Anyone who knows me seriously, outside of my "distracted" side, knows that this is the case.

    KDE is a big one, is it heavy? well yes .. so what? any PC today is powerful enough to handle KDE and Windows 8 at the same time.

    I am very simple in using the desktop, too simple, and Xfce, Gnome 2, even Gnome1 is enough for me ... I don't need anything semantic, I don't use keyboard shortcuts or the file browser etc etc ...

    It is true that mine is GTK, perhaps out of habit, although I started in KDE 3 there with Suse 9.0.

    I will die being GTK, nobody beats me and nobody can change my opinion, but because I am a GTK_adicte I am not going to stop trying KDE, on the contrary, I will continue testing and using it when I get the "avenate"

    The best desktop is not KDE, nor Gnome, nor Xfce, nor Mate, nor Cinnamon ... etc, it is the one that best suits you and your needs, where you feel most comfortable, which is why the eternal desktop war is I find it absurd 😉

    Now, that does not mean that from time to time I mark a small troll against KDE haha ​​😛

  18.   the pixie said

    I use KDE on a netbook with 2gb of RAM and it works quite well
    I even have Nepomuk activated and it does not feel like I use version 4.11 and in the previous ones if the desktop felt something heavy and I just had to deactivate nepomuk and now
    but now I improve pretty good in my opinion

    1.    eliotime3000 said

      I don't even use Nemopunk at all, and it's fluent for me.

  19.   majority said

    Good article, good, I am a KDE fan since I use Mandrake and right now Mageia 3 and the fluidity, it is barbara ... and impressive stability ... I don't know what that is ...

    1.    eliotime3000 said

      That I knew in GNOME 3.4 Fallback, when running Nautilus and Fileroller in superuser mode.

  20.   Fernando said

    SI.

  21.   dwarf said

    I have to rescue something of what you say bald, and it is that just what you mention that "They do not need Nepomuk to function" is somewhat wrong, especially Krunner.

    Calvo, Krunner is the app that I use the most Nepomuk, he is the one who, together with Dolphin, makes the perfect search team, that of alt + f2 and write something, have everything ready on a tray and do whatever you want with it, is thanks to Nepomuk XD

    It is not that we get used to it and now, but it is really rooted in the DE, it is necessary for many functions of its applications ...

    I now came to eOS to give my final opinion on it, and the only thing that saves me is that I can adapt very easily to any workflow, but without a doubt I am much slower in this thing than with KDE xD

    1.    eliotime3000 said

      That's true. I don't use nemopunk at all, so I was really surprised by how much searching power it has.

    2.    elav said

      If you use KRunner to control the semantic desktop it may be, but who uses KRunner like:
      - calculator
      - Application Launcher.
      - Close the session
      - Dismount devices

      And another long etc .. Nepomuk + Akonadi is not necessary

      1.    dwarf said

        Personally for that I would not use, I do not know, it seems too limiting to use something for so little, that it serves so much more xD

  22.   medina07 said

    Very good entry.
    The case is @elav that a high percentage of users want to use a modern desktop environment on a machine that hardly works, obsolete machines.
    I think no one can expect that environments like KDE or Gnome work decently on laptops that were designed for, for example, Windows 98 ... (what hurts is that when these computers cannot work well with the aforementioned environments then we label them heavy as unusable ).

    Then I would only have to demand support for an abacus that they gave me as a relic.

  23.   August3 said

    I was never a fan of KDE, I even avoided it quite a bit. A few days ago I installed KDE in Mint 15 and I am fascinated! Incredible fluidity, stability and elegance.

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    1.    elav said

      iTunes, Winamp? We are talking about OpenOffice on Windows right?

    2.    eliotime3000 said

      Windows, Windows everywhere.

  25.   lord saeron said

    "Nautilus, PCManFM, Thunar, Pantheon Files, they all have their good points, but they all do not compete with Dolphin in terms of options and features."

    When I used thunar, when I wanted to search for a file in a folder, I would select any one, and write the name of the file, now with kde it only lets me select those that start with a letter. Is there any way to activate what I say about thunar and nautilus?

    1.    elav said

      You know? Dolphin works magic when you press Ctrl+I

      1.    eliotime3000 said

        Let The Hack Begins!

  26.   Alberto Aru said

    Totally agree. Could you make a tutorial on what would you remove to make it lighter? I know that it is razor qt and such, but I do not see it as configurable (or at least first) and I also know that there must be a thousand tutorials about it, but I like your point of view and your practicality, I know more or less your posts and I am interested in your opinion about what you would remove and why (for example, I have not removed nepomuk and arkonadi because I think I remember that in 4.11 they barely consumed ram and with 3 gb of ram it is quite fluid, so I do not need to remove them )
    A greeting! I share it in diaspora *!

  27.   Blitzkrieg said

    You are right, but I stopped using KDE for the simple fact that all the software is for gtk (Banshee, Cheese, Brasero, LibreOffice, etc).

    1.    Alberto Aru said

      but if you don't use Chakra, it doesn't have to be a problem, I'm now using firefox and docky, for example.

    2.    pandev92 said

      Would you stop using windows because most of the software is not programmed in .net? XD

    3.    elav said

      But mind you, you can continue using this software in KDE, or its counterparts .. Amarok, Clementine, Kamoso, K3B, Calligra .. etc

  28.   Israel said

    Well, the truth is that Kde is a good desktop environment .. I've been using it for a while and without problems… The only thing I don't like is that it comes very overloaded by default… Lots of effects… Lots of Widgets and things like that. I don't like the personal thing ... I remember the old Kde 3.x that was the one with which I entered the Linux world, and later I went to Gnome until version 3.x ...... Although I also like Gnome, the truth is I am considering using it on a PC that I have lying around and that would look great with eOS. Well, I used it in a virtual machine and it flies ... I think that everyone uses a desktop because they work better with it and not no matter how good it is ... And that will continue to be shown in the future, each one seeks their identity with the things they use although sometimes i dont use my best ..

    1.    eliotime3000 said

      Well, KDE is overloaded, it may or may not be true, but I just installed the basic desktop and the truth is that it felt a bit heavy, and if it weren't for the tutorial by @elav he did to lighten KDE in Debian Wheezy, the truth is that I would have felt lost.

      KDE is nice, as long as you dare to accept the challenge of lightening it to the max.

    2.    Alberto Aru said

      That depends on each distro, in KDE you can customize it to make it look like pantheon, in fact, Elav has a post about it

  29.   kik1n said

    Very true, I cannot detach myself from KDE.
    My pc comes in with 600MB to 700MB in Ram consumption and CPUs at 4% to 7%, with clementine, qbittorrent, quiterss, pidgin and conky (this one weighs nothing; D).
    Already with firefox (between 10 and 15 tabs), blender, inkscape and vlc my Ram reaches 2.5 maximum.

    My pc: i5, 6GB Ram, Ati Radeon Caicos HD, 2.5 TB on DD.
    My OS: Arch + KDE-Meta.

  30.   Dcoy said

    «... KDE is much, much more customizable than these two together (XFCE or LXDE) ...» is it possible ??, with so many comments you post about how good KDE is, I want to try it ... but when i get bored of my xfce & pekwm.

    1.    elav said

      Well, a fan of XFCE tells you 😉

  31.   Neomito said

    Absolutely and strongly agree, KDE is all that Windows users need to make the perfect transition.

    For work reasons I am on windows 7 but being on my laptop and seeing the greatness of KDE feels like in a paradise, you have practically everything, something that other environments do not have (dolphin, krunner, okular, amarok, gwenview , krita, plasma, widgets, calligra, etc.).

    regards

  32.   staff said

    Something that people who say "KDE is heavy" forget is that there is no exact metric to test it, so we resort to comparisons, but if we do that with justice, we would have to take into account the function:

    That allows to do / RAM consumption + CPU consumption.

    All this on the same computer, and then we see that perhaps KDE is possibly the lightest of all.

    Tests? OK, install an Arch, or Manjaro NET install, and DO NOT do a:

    sudo pacman -S kde // Very common error !! This installs full KDE (10000 things we might never use; OK I exaggerate XD)

    Best:

    sudo pacman -S kde-base // As the name says, just the basics

    They deactivate effects, nepomunk and akonadi, anyway in other DE (of the "lighter" ones) we don't have something that compares to it.

    Is not sufficient? Free yourself from plasma! Up from Kwin and combine KDE with Openbox or Awesome

    Ready, you have left KDE naked and with a consumption possibly less than 200 MB! And yet it does more.

    The KDE keyword is modularity.

    BEWARE, I'm not marrying KDE, if something better comes out I'll change, in fact on my laptop what I have installed is XFCE, but, honor to whom honor deserves.

  33.   mario said

    I gave it a chance and here I am, I'm going to be using KDE for a year, first in Fedora and a few months ago in Debian with apt-pinning of unstable. I try to comply with the following premise: in desktop use I want something that challenges windows 7, that is equal or superior -in every sense-. The KDE suite complies with it and also includes very advanced programs such as K3B, dolphin, the photo viewer, the usb manager, Klipper ... so much so that many features appear "surprisingly" in windows 8 😛 https://blog.desdelinux.net/novedades-windows-8-cualquier-semejanza-con-linux-es-pura-coincidencia/
    Xfce, lxde I use it for light desktops or on servers (temporary desktop for maintenance with startx and vnc), they do their job well, but I invested in hardware to use it. Gnome Shell disappointed me, since they are dedicated to experimenting - pulling out buttons, removing nautilus options, almost making the tweak tool mandatory - and their experiment is going to be two years old; I also use the pc to work. Cheers!

  34.   zakar said

    Forgive the question as I am a total newbie to the Linux world and I might be saying silly.
    Can it be installed (and how would it be done) on a Xubuntu distribution like Voyager? Since Voyager is a large distribution, and consumes very little, so little that I think my cpu could handle more, and I would like to try KDE SC to see if it is as complete as you say.

    A greeting.

    1.    DanielC said

      Any desktop is complete if you know how to configure it.

      1.    eliotime3000 said

        It could not be more true.

    2.    cat said

      Even though KDE is now fast and all, I would only recommend it if you have more than 2GB of RAM.

    3.    Takpe said

      You have to better formulate the question because I think it is not understood….

      1.    zakar said

        Hello, my question is very simple:
        How can I test KDE SC on my computer? (I have Voyager 13.04 installed and 8 GB of RAM)
        Graciassss

        1.    eVeR said

          On a console:
          sudo apt-get install kde

          That's it.

          1.    zakar said

            Thank you very much!
            Incredible that it's so easy, I'll try it

  35.   Blackbird said

    Hello, I was mostly to refute some things you say about Xfce, which is my business, so to speak, and which are inaccurate.

    First, "it does not have an integrated console", you need to add, (but you can enable a custom action to open the console in the folder you want with a simple right click). "One click away"

    It does not have panels, (that's true, but it is not much of a disadvantage to me, having tabs really).

    It does not have an integrated search engine, (it is inaccurate, in the old versions of thunar you pressed ctrl + s and you already had a search engine for files according to its pattern, and in the new one, you press the shift key, you start typing and the search engine appears below, not to mention that in custom actions you can add catfish, right click and you can now search everything that is in the system, that is, thunar does not have an integrated search engine, it has 3). «And with a click»

    File viewing options, (if you install xarchiver, right click on the compressed file, open with xarchiver, and you can see the folders it has inside, and extract the one you choose by simply dragging it out of the window). "One click and drag"

    1.    elav said

      Hi Mirlo,

      It is true that you have the option of Open console in the directory where we are, but now, it does not do more. With Dolphin the console moves along with the folders, that is, it has integration.

      Are we really talking about a search engine? See I used Xfce for years and never saw it. A search engine is not the same as looking for files inside the folder, for that Dolphin also has a very good one that eliminates the results that do not match.

      XArchiver is not the same. I also do that with Ark in KDE. I mean accessing the compressed file as if it were just another folder ...

      😉

      1.    Blackbird said

        Hello Elav, Regarding the terminal, I agree with you, but you will admit that as you have written it, it gives the impression that with thunar we cannot open a terminal in the directory we want.

        The Thunar search engine also marks the results as you write them, not like in dolphin of course, which disappears what does not match, but does its job perfectly.

        If you think that coupling catfish to the custom options means not having a powerful search engine ... and a click away ... because it performs searches throughout the system in minutes, with precision, discriminating by file type if you prefer, and in addition to that is very light, but hey, you already know it well enough.

        About the compressed files, well I shouldn't have understood you, but in the post you say that, "you don't have options to view the compressed files as if they were a folder." Well, once you open a tablet with Xarchiver, (even with squeeze), you see the folders and you can open them and view their content without problems, also having a tree of all the directories contained in the main folder on the right. In my opinion, this is having full access and opening the tablet with the same ease, (even greater because in a normal folder you don't have a directory tree), that you open a normal folder.

        😉 Greetings.

  36.   Ruby said

    I don't like KDE because I have to configure a stack of things and that gives me a headache, besides the default theme I see ugly. But I will definitely try it again.

  37.   anonymous said

    I clarify, I am not a programmer ... I know something, but not at the level that I would like, what I am going to say will hurt many and even me who used it hurt at the time since I had to abandon kde because I found out about the spyware mechanism which has kdelibs on which all kde programs depend.
    The semantic desktop is nothing more than a spyware well disguised and renamed, it is like having an arsenal of weapons at home and a thief enters and assassinates you with a weapon of the ones you have at home ... better not to have weapons, no Whether they find you dead and it looks like you committed suicide.
    I no longer remember how it works because this was about a year or more ago, the akonadi service, if I remember correctly, kdelibs launches it yes or yes, it has no way of passing an option to ./configure to disable it.
    Instead they give the user the option to disable it by means of a file that is in the user's home ... with permissions for everyone to change it, even remotely.

    $ nano /home/user/.config/akonadi/akonadiserverrc
    StartServer = true

    To things by name, what are the intentions of the kde folks in leaving the ability to start and stop the semantic desktop daemon to the user's permissions and not with a compile-time option?
    When I read the email in English from the developer of that part, they asked him why he did not leave the option, and he answered something like that because he wanted it to be like that, period! when I read that, it was that I removed kde and never again.
    Behind kde there is money ... much I do not know if the NSA but that there is money for sure.
    I will not continue commenting on this issue, my intrusion to tell you is so that you open your eyes and see that not all that glitters is gold.

    1.    elav said

      Let's see .. If you tell me that the semantic desktop can be a double-edged sword because it threatens our privacy if someone occupies our computer, well I tell you: You're right. Unfortunately Nepomuk is collecting all the information about what we access on our PC.

      But say that it is a spyware? I think it's too much.

      To things by name, what are the intentions of the kde folks in leaving the ability to start and stop the semantic desktop daemon to the user's permissions and not with a compile-time option?

      Simple, if there is more than one user on the computer, perhaps one of them does not want anything semantic and deactivates the option without affecting the rest.

      KDE + NSA? I doubt it. Already someone would have raised the cry, not for pleasure its code is open.

      1.    anonymous said

        For a long time computers have been personal computers, PC or personal computer, used by a single person, in fact the only user is also the administrator.
        From the shout in the sky I can tell you that the masses are naive, they never question anything and if someone like me comes out to say it then it is because I am paranoid ... but look at it, study how it works and you will see that any javascript can activate the daemon by not needing permissions and possibly when the screen saver is active or inactive for a long time.
        Also could you define what spyware means or does? if it is not index the content of the files as this system does.
        Although people are happy because it is a great help to find things
        no one assures them that others cannot access this indexed content remotely, a system like this for me has a single name "SPYWARE"
        And on top of that, the developer got angry when they proposed a system to disable it at compile time.
        Someone over 2000 years ago said ... by its fruits the type of tree will be known.
        But to update myself I'm going to look for it because I think that for this reason there was a fork of kdelibs that I was following at the time, I'll see if it was abandoned or they have already done it.

        1.    elav said

          Let's see friend. Let's say yes, that Nepomuk and Akonadi are SpyWare, because as you well know: They can be disabled. Not only that, you can tell Nepomuk which folders and files to index, so if something worries you, put it in a directory and exclude it ... that's it.

          These tools collect data to make it easier for us to search for our information, if someone accesses your PC and manages to access them, that is another problem that entails other security measures. So not only KDE is exempt from this. Also GNOME with Zeitgeist, and therefore Unity.

          The PC as its name implies are personal, but that depends on the place and conditions where you live. I invite you to my country, where whoever has the privilege of having a computer at home, has to share it with his sister, brother, uncle, nephew, father, mother, grandfather ... etc.

          Anyway, to those who are concerned about security, I leave a couple of tips:

          - Use Firewall.
          - Deactivate Nepomuk + Akonadi
          - Use passwords in Setup / GRUB / Session.
          - Encrypt your personal folder

          And if all this is not enough, then easy: Disconnect the PC from the network and that's it. But remember that you should not use the phone, cell phone, webcam ... etc.

          anonymous, it is good to be paranoid from time to time, but as the times are and as technology advances, if you do not want to be spied on, or have your privacy invaded, the best thing is that you go live in the desert inside a box ... no, they can see you with Google Earth ..

          Take it easy my friend .. 😉

          1.    anonymous said

            Deactivating is a very different thing than removing or uninstalling, they could have put it in a separate package, but no, in kdelibs so that it is impossible to remove it.
            Precisely, my point is that I don't want to disable it, I don't want it to be on my pc.
            I give you the reason that in many places you cannot have a pc per person, which is why the term pc becomes fc (familiar computer).
            Of course gnome is worse with its system.
            The masses use Facebook, they already know what they are exposed to and they do not care, they use it the same, the same thing happens here, little by little they are pushed together until they change their habit, if you do not believe me, look at the name of this package that appears to me in portage:

            $ eix akonadi-facebook
            * kde-misc / akonadi-facebook
            Available versions: (4) (~) 0_p20121207 (~) 0_p20130209
            {aqua debug}
            Home Page: https://projects.kde.org/akonadi-facebook
            Description: Facebook services integration in Akonadi

            I use gentoo ... and whoever is on facebook is going to be bitten by installing this and there they are complete ... hehe
            I appreciate the high level of deselinux, where everything is kindly chatted
            I always read them and the comments often contribute more than the articles.

          2.    x11tete11x said

            @ anonymous, use 1 year Funtoo and if you deactivate the "semantic-desktop" flag you compile everything without akonadi + nepomuk support ... which is basically what they want to do with klyde ... and I don't understand what's wrong with that package you mention, no It comes installed by default, and they are only used IF YOU CONFIGURE THEM, or if akonadi is going to steal things from your facebook / G + in some strange way? the code is there, you can see everything it does, sorry to tell you but it seems to me something totally paranoid, the source code of all KDE is available, if there was something strange they would have already reported it ...
            I guess then this is an undercover terrorist: [url] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L5KF6gBI8-o [/ url]

            come on man .. I use facebook / G + / Twitter / Diaspora and I am aware of what I share .. it is clear that if I wanted something private I would not use a SOCIAL network…. I don't give a damn if Obama is seeing my photos, it's wrong, I'm not going to deny it, but it's unstoppable, that people are stupid and even share phone numbers? I'm not going to deny it either, but if the network social fashion was a free one like Diaspora, the same thing would happen, it would only be enough to do some crazy program that goes profile by profile going through your wall and seeing the idiocies that one shares ... networks like Facebook, G + etc only facilitate the way (already that give you access to their servers) ... well, it seems totally exaggerated to say that akonadi is spyware ... BY DEFAULT IT DOES NOTHING ..

          3.    anonymous said

            At the time when I had kde (now only openbox) I had -semantic-desktop in my make.conf and still wanted akonadi as a direct dependency, maybe that changed after I quit kde.
            Regarding that package, maybe I did not explain it well, of course it will not affect me because I will never install it, but looking at how people behave it is obvious that if it exists it is because someone does it and others they use it.
            The bad thing is the default, it is assumed that everyone wants to use it, when reality says that many want it to be disabled / removed and those who do not find out that it is going, go through the hoop.
            The code is open, you can see what it does and what it doesn't, and I didn't like what it did, but when compiling it had a direct dependency that I couldn't avoid, the result was kde.
            Now I try to emerge kdelibs and I do not see use to disable the mechanism more than 30 dependency packages among which I see

            [ebuild N] dev-db / virtuoso-odbc-6.1.6
            [ebuild N] dev-db / virtuoso-server-6.1.6
            [ebuild N] app-misc / strigi-0.7.8
            [ebuild N] dev-libs / soprano-2.9.3
            [ebuild N] kde-base / nepomuk-core-4.11.1: 4
            [ebuild N] kde-base / nepomuk-widgets-4.11.1: 4

            So at least in gentoo we are worse than before because -semantic-desktop no longer exists, in none of the 30 packages that you want to install do I see a use to disable anything.

            There goes a paste of the exit
            $ emerge -pv kdelibs | wgetpaste
            Your paste can be seen here: http://bpaste.net/show/130092/

            Thanks for the tip from klyde, I'll take a closer look at what it's based on.

        2.    mario said

          the difference is that you gave it the permission or not to index the system. Following your logic of "the fruits", would Syslinux, lilo, etc be viruses? They can modify the boot sector and leave your pc stuck in the boot if you don't configure them, in the best style of the old DOS viruses. Or even worse: there is a command called "dd" that can delete the mbr, the partition table and / or the entire disk if you do not know how to use it carefully. They are double-edged weapons that are in the system - and they are not the only ones. If you don't want a certain folder -or all- to be indexed, there is the old friend chmod, which has been preventing prying eyes for decades.

        3.    staff said

          "For a long time, computers have been personal computers, PCs or personal computers, they are used by only one person, in fact the only user is also the administrator."

          False, it is not a rule that in home or work environments computers are exclusive to one person.

          The definition of spyware is easy and short: That malware that collects information from your system and, here comes the important thing…. sends it without your consent or knowledge to other people.

          If the definition were as you say, just to index the content, then any database would be spyware, such as your music player, your photo manager (digikam, ligthroom ...), Caliber (I just met him yesterday XD) that organizes your books.

          Also remember that there are security options, such as encryption and keys, apart from the user ones, in KDE, specifically Kwallet.

          We cannot live without some faith in the developers, because equally nobody guarantees us that the same kernel does not have back doors, there are many lines of code and for one person it is difficult to review all of them, but the fact that they are open source gives us some more tranquility.

          1.    x11tete11x said

            thank heaven elav is not the only one who provides a sensible answer .. +1

          2.    cat said

            In fact, the kernel does have backdoors.

        4.    dwarf said

          I can understand your point and yes, you have reasons, but you can also be said paranoid since the fact that you are right in the possibility that this information can be taken does not mean that it was manufactured for that purpose, therefore, I think there are shades of paranoia in what you say.

          I could call it spyware if it had been programmed not only to collect my information but also to send it to someone, and as far as I know, that is not the case with Nepomuk and I have not seen anything on the mailing lists, complaints or anything like that.

          What you say is not wrong, the possibility of it happening is there, latent, it can happen to us, but I cannot live fearing or believing in conspiracies, I take my precautions and stay on the side that is considered correct of the law, therefore I try to don't rip my hair out with this.

    2.    Outdated said

      The truth is that what you say gives food for thought. If I had something to hide on the net, I would just in case not use KDE. Being opensource both bugs can be revealed to correct them and to take advantage of them and shut them up.
      But well, since I have nothing that makes me feel afraid there, I'm still happier with a tuna 😀

    3.    Outdated said

      I invite you all to participate in the forum about nepomuk and our privacy, if we still have that:

      http://foro.desdelinux.net/viewtopic.php?id=2293

  38.   satanAG said

    Excellent article as always.
    I used KDE on Debian, and on OpenSuse, my opinion on the environment matches yours. In fact, denying the superiority of KDE applications is foolish, but I understand the taste.
    My problem with KDE is that, for work and convenience reasons, I am using Debian Stable and, I have noticed that KDE 4.9 onwards is simply another level compared to 4.8.4 in Debian, and I say this especially for Ktorrent.
    Gold problem I have is that there are GTK applications that I cannot leave them, (Iceweasel, LibreOffice and Pidgin, for example) and I notice how the integration is very good but it still does not convince me. On the contrary it happens to me in Gnome, where QT applications are bordering on perfection.
    Those are the reasons that don't let me go to KDE at least for the moment. I will wait for Debian 8.
    PS: KDE also depends on the distro where you test it. Let me explain: in Opensuse the integration and the visual aspect is simply of another level, unlike Debian or others.

    Greetings.

    1.    elav said

      Thanks satanAG. It is true, KDE from version 4.9 improved much more .. You are missing it 😀

  39.   petercheco said

    Hi Elav,
    I more or less agree with your article. I myself was a user of Gnome 2, Gnome 3, Xfce, Lxde and KDE.
    I can say that KDE is one of the best scripts I have tried. Now, I always found a writing desk too overloaded.

    In the end I migrated from KDE to Xfce and I am very happy since it has everything, but without options that I will never use or applications that I do not need so I save resources and disk space for more important things. Of course, there are three applications that I add to my system: ark, okular and k3b :-).

      1.    eliotime3000 said

        Well, I suggest you see my article about my migration to KDE (although unfortunately, it seems that I started a flame or those who were against took it very personal) >> https://blog.desdelinux.net/adios-gnome-hola-kde/

      2.    DanielC said

        The Zuckitwo designer (s) have been doing great work for KDE and Gnome for a few releases.

        Also for gnome 3.8 they made the shell and window themes beautiful.

    1.    elav said

      It's that we don't always do the same things with the computer, that's why needs change 😉

      1.    eliotime3000 said

        I have the same opinion. What's more, there are three ways to install KDE: KDE Base, KDE Plasma and KDE Full (or just KDE, which installs even the tools you don't want).

  40.   lovelltux said

    Greetings elav. I agree 100 x 100 with you in your analysis about KDE, I have a long time but a long time 🙂 using the KDE 4.X desktop environment and it has always been fluid, I have never been deselected, just like you disabled NEPOMUK, AKONADI and others that I do not use, certainly I like to do everything in a few steps and KDE allows me that and more, I like its very high configurability, in short I will never stop using KDE as my default desktop.

    1.    elav said

      Well actually Nepomuk + Akonadi disabled it on the Netbook. On the laptop I use it and I don't feel it 😀

  41.   OtakuLogan said

    In a previous article I mentioned the same thing, KDE has superior applications but it is not as stable as other desktops. Which does not mean that it is unstable, simply in that field it is behind.

    I have tried it on several distros and it bothers me especially that in Debian stable very from time to time a window closes, I get the "error on the desktop" sign or a program does not want to open. I repeat: very occasionally, but I don't use Debian stable with older programs to have these problems. And I repeat what I said then: KDE 4.10.1 fixed 100 bugs; KDE 4.10.2 fixed 100 bugs; KDE 4.10.3 fixed 100 bugs; KDE 4.10.4 fixed 84 bugs. They were released less than 6 months apart.

    If you put the evolution of your "semantic desktop" aside to solve this kind of thing, there would be no reason not to be on a higher desk with the bookstores of the future (Qt). But they don't, and that's why I don't use KDE. And I must say that all the hacks for Gnome 3, Cinnamon, Pantheon, Consort ... are also done by people who see that they don't like Gnome 3, but for some reason they don't want to switch to KDE either, and from there the KDE team would have to remove some conclusion.

    PS: Where KDE has not given me errors is in CentOS. Sure, it's version 4.4 superset, I don't think there are many people wanting to try it. And CentOS itself prefers Gnome 2 by default.

    1.    pandev92 said

      There will always be bugs, the good thing is that they are fixed, bugs can only appear with a lot of testing, which in the end only normal people who are users can do.

      1.    OtakuLogan said

        When there are not so unusual bugs in Debian stable there is a serious problem in my opinion, more tested than that is only CentOS / Red Hat. There are bugs in all programs, but KDE seems to prefer to keep "innovating" rather than prioritizing fixing problems.

  42.   Chaparral said

    That is like saying that one likes blondes more than brunettes, or vice versa.
    Or I like a Mercedes more than a BMW.
    Difficult, very difficult to discern. You said it yourself in your work, each one likes one thing and to taste the colors.

  43.   Javier said

    Elav, I have a netbook like yours and dolphin seems slow to me ... at least when it opens, thunar opens much faster

  44.   Claudio said

    I confess that I entered to read the note because of the word "slow KDE", that is, I wanted to enter and read that you saw KDE slow and I realize that you do not think that KDE is slow. For my part I can say that I very much agree with your comments, I have been a KDE user for a long time, since KDE 3.5, I abandoned it for a while when KDE 4.0 came out that could not be used and then I think that in 4.1 I returned and I can give Faith how it progresses in each update, of course 2 × 3 with its errors or bugs, but they are corrected very quickly. In virtualbox I always try and give opportunities to other environments and I always stick with KDE, as you said, its applications are fantastic, better than those of windows, gnome and any other desktop.

    It must also be said that KDE is not for a team that already has its time, but with a good processor and 4GB of RAM the x64 version works really well, the applications open instantly, much faster than the gnome ones and obviously windows. In my work everyone is amazed at how well my arch + kde 64bits is doing. In my house, desktop pc with a dual core 2Ghz and 2GB of ram KDE does not work so well and there I use arch + LXDE waiting for LXDE-QT

    1.    eliotime3000 said

      Well, having KDE 4.8 on an HP brand PC with a 2.8 Ghz Pentium D processor, 1 GB of RAM and 256 MB Intel video, the truth is that I do not feel much that KDE interferes with me (and more if I just installed the KDE Base and I installed the components that I give it a real utility).

  45.   Hello said

    Totally and fully agree, you couldn't have explained things better. KDE is and will always be my favorite. The ones with the most desktops, in my personal opinion, are for slower PCs and with few resources that need a lighter and faster desktop but with a PC. Relatively modern KDE is fancy the effects are great the fluency I don't complain about the applications so why not say a complaint the truth would have a complaint if I had an old pc with few resources that when using KDE would take time to open applications I could not have many open etc. but I have a modest pc of about 3 or 4 years old but KDE has not failed me, I love its effects and it drives those who use winbug crazy, which is what I like to tell them the most, look at your winbug can do this 0 .o effects on desktops multiple effects on windows a fully and fully customizable desktop uf I love KDE and I will never change it so if I have not tried another environment only gnome which I did not like or play it m But the fact that KDE is so customizable, easy to use and with great effects, does not encourage me to try another KDE has a very high bar

    1.    eliotime3000 said

      Well, we are the same, since KDE is not compared to another desktop that exists. KDE is literally modular and the truth is that it is quite a comfortable desktop to work with.

  46.   Fabian PS said

    Well, right now I download Chakra, because I have never used a 64-bit system with my CPU (they told me out there that it was not 64-bit, but I already rectified it).
    That was my only barrier to being able to install Chakra, which they say is the best KDE distro with no GNOME dependencies out there.

    I'll just have to get used to it, since I've only had KDE once and it was on Kubuntu, and there I installed all my GTK applications, but I'll see how I can reduce dependencies now 🙂

    1.    VaryHeavy said

      OpenSUSE is also the best when it comes to KDE integration.

  47.   Anonymous said

    Kde is a great graphical environment, today it has nothing to do with the kde 4.0 of several years ago, and I hope the same will happen with gnome and its next versions

    1.    cat said

      So far the only thing I've seen Gnome innovate is that they remove the annoying title bar.

  48.   Adrian olvera said

    Well, what to say to articles like these, personally I use unity on the laptop but on the desktop it is kde and the truth is I am very satisfied I think I will give it one more chance on the laptop.

    Note: Not because Unity does not serve me or anything like that, because as there are those stigmas on Kde also on Unity.

  49.   truko22 said

    I cannot make comparisons when I migrate to linux three years ago I have only used KDE (1 year Kubuntu and 2 Chakra) I must say that the selection was due to the similarity of kde with windows (the one that I must use at work). I only use gtk + firefox, aMule and snes9x so Chakra Project is perfect for me. Another thing is that I have the same PC from 5 years ago and I am not going to lie to it every time I have better performance.

    1.    eliotime3000 said

      Well, I'm happy because many still don't realize that Linux adapts to every type of paradigm that exists.

  50.   AurosZx said

    Since I upgraded to 2GB of RAM (I had 1GB and was still insufferable with Openbox), I stopped caring about consumption. But without a decent video card and processor for the resolution I'm using (and the times I'm running), performance drops occasionally.
    I started using KDE again in 4.11 because of the improvements it brought (and in fact, if it does, I have noticed it), in addition to the fact that consumption was not a priority for me, and because of the strange (and somewhat long) time it took Xfce to start. I preferred to increase consumption and waiting times because I had many more options.
    I deactivated Nepomuk, because in addition to not using it, it caused me an exaggerated CPU load at the beginning, for which KDE took its own time when responding in the first 10 seconds. I do not use all its functions well, but I do work more comfortably (many of the KDE applications seem good quality to me, I have not tried all).
    And Elav ... How come that KDE doesn't consume so much RAM? I understand you also use 64-bit Arch. With opening 10-15 tabs in Chromium I spend a bit of 1GB (I don't use Swap, it's not necessary anymore), and although in KDE I don't feel that much delay when using a lot of memory (I applaud it the truth), it is at least curious ...
    To those who may be interested, a screenshot from my Arch KDE of how I have it now. Simple but nice: http://imagebin.org/270094

    1.    elav said

      Well, honestly, I don't know, but it never exceeds 2GB!

  51.   k1000 said

    Kde is a very good desktop, in Opensuse it works wonders and the energy manager is the best, perhaps it is what I envy the most to kde.
    But on my PC with 1,7 GB of RAM I can't make intensive use of the PC because it stays with me, which I can do with gnome-shell for example. KDE is still a heavy desktop (the heaviest of all), but much less than a year ago.

  52.   poor taku said

    Well, it's been 6 months since I found a computer in my room (pentium 4 2ghz, 500ram, 40hdd) and with Debian6 / KDE it becomes a time machine with a fucking delay, on the other hand with gnome it does not exceed 160 mb of RAM and she is light and fresh.

  53.   patodx said

    Well I'm a widower of Gnome 2.30, which never gave KDE a chance back then. Once Gnome 2.30 passed to a better life, I looked and found no comfort in any other similar desktop (xfce, lxde ... etc.) Therefore I found myself in the need to test KDE in a deep way, it gave me a lid, either due to the degree of customization, existing programs and its agility despite moving so many things at once. There is a detail, the machine where it is used and the use that will be given to that particular machine, it is logical that KDE is heavier than the other desktops, but according to that logic, a desktop proportional to the pc should be used. one has and the use that I want to give it. I have Debian KDE on my desktop pc and on a Debian LXDE notebook, that is, almost the extremes. My notebook is much more durable in battery life, it heats up less, extremely agile, only that I have to fiddle a lot, anyway. they are totally empirical tests, which have helped me to understand and respect the richness that GNU / Linux gives us.

  54.   msx said

    Wow man, what a thrill to read this, elav talking about the benefits of Arch + KDE, I already made a screenshot to put together a beautiful picture.

    Btw: the article is 100% objective and true, no one who did not install Arch + KDE before and configure them correctly can comment on the subject. What's more, 4.11 with the active semantic desktop works out of ten ...

  55.   XunilinuX said

    I am KDEro at heart, but my spirit is with XFCE and "light" environments ...
    I don't know, this ED is a dilemma for me, none of them satisfy my needs 100%, I will illustrate the situation a bit:

    -I don't like Gnome at all, I don't like how simple it is in terms of customization and I don't like that in each new version they take things away from the Nautilus, they are slowly killing the poor manager !!!
    I also don't like its applications, and above all its interface.

    -From KDE I am a bit overwhelmed by the amount of options it has and there are some things that I don't even know what they are for and that I will not use in my fucking life. For example Akonadi, Nepomuk, Krunner and some other things ...
    I don't like much that the customization is so fragmented, for example, you have to choose a Kwin theme, color scheme, Plasma theme, windows, etc ... also there is no theme that I like 😀

    -Xfce is the one that best suits my needs, peeeeeeeeeeeeeero what I don't like is that its applications are or very poor and neglected (Xfburn is dead, xfce4-taskmanager too, Ristretto is still on that path and Mousepad recently revived after 4 years of lethargy !!!)
    It is also incomplete for my taste, it does not have its own calculator, or session manager, or file browser, or filing cabinet, still ??? : D.
    Don't get me wrong. I love XFCE. but those things put me back because I don't like installing Gnome tools or another desktop environment and independent apps (like Xarchiver or Galculator) are either abandoned or have poor integration with the environment ...

    -LXDE guides me a lot but it sins the same as XFCE, it is incompetent for my taste ...

    -MATE I still see very green and Cinnamon I did not use it enough to give a formed opinion.

    I was like a critic with the above haha
    What happens is that I don't know which environment to choose !!!! haha and to top it all I'm with Windows all the time because of that !!! help!!!! they will lose me hahaha
    The point is that if you could create your own desktop environment, it would: Light and simple, with all the application needs covered, light and functional. In Qt and with the classic style ...

    PS: Very good entry elav

    1.    pandev92 said

      Well, if you can move windows, you can move more than enough kde, if you move xp nothing else, because razor qt fulfills too much too.

      1.    XunilinuX said

        Hello pendev.
        My problem is not with performance, but with comfort and apps ...
        I am one of those who do not like to mix GTK with QT, if I use GTK I use the applications written in this toolkit, and with QT the same, I like it that way.
        I see XFCE a bit neglected when it comes to its own applications and the light third-party applications made in GTK, most of them are abandoned projects, like Xarchiver (which it seems will revive soon)

        1.    msx said

          ??

          In KDE the integration with Gtk applications is almost perfect.
          Taking into account how different the toolkits are, the visual integration effort they offer us is more than worthy. In addition, since DBus became a standard, system notifications between applications from different toolkits are no longer a problem - or at least they enjoy much greater integration.

          1.    XinilinuX said

            I don't know why the "???" but well ...
            Basically I do not mix GTK with QT because I like to install the least amount of things on the PC, if I install GTK and applications written in this toolkit it drags me a lot of dependencies and I don't like that at all haha
            For example, if I want an audio player and I am in KDE, I look for an ecxho in QT, such as Qmmp. For me it is absurd to install all GTK to use for example Audacious, when I have alternatives in QT like the aforementioned Qmmp

  56.   mitcoes said

    We can use those applications in XFCE, it is not necessary to marry the ones that come by default. I don't know how the project will go, but Kyle DM offers a minimum KDE preconfiguration that consumes like XFCE a little more or less.

    Still KDE configured by default consumes too much memory for XP machines.

    By the way, in MS WOS you can install KDE and all these programs, I believed that this cross-platform KDE could be a good trojan horse in the MS WOS world and not only did it not succeed but the idea has been fleeting, they no longer make updates.

    With how good it would be for many now to replace metro.

  57.   kennatj said

    I am a Gnome user at the moment and I would like to perhaps say a complaint about KDE but I have not used it for a long time in different distros but as much as it works for me, it does not convince me.

    I give a very basic use to the computer firefox, libreoffice, gnome-mplayer, polly, ocenaudio and Files (nautilus) something else out there is very rare.

    1.    DanielC said

      Something similar happens to me. In itself I have no complaints regarding the functionality of KDE, other things make me feel comfortable in other DEs.

  58.   Carper said

    Hello,
    Personally, I used Gnome since Ubuntu 8.04, which was when I started in Linux, I used Ubuntu until 10.10, I no longer liked 11.04, and from there I began to use various distributions, looking for the environment that I liked the most, I have used almost all of them, until I got to KDE, and I must confess that at first I didn't like it either, I had to use it for several months to get used to that environment, now when I try some other environments in Live mode, they no longer convince me, now KDE is my preferred environment, it is beautiful and very customizable and above all very functional for the use that I give to my team, in terms of resource consumption, personally I feel it more fluid than Gnome 3.8 and Unity, at least on my team, in Regarding the consumption of RAM, I have no problem with it, I have 8 Gb and I have never reached 50% or using virtual machines, I think that most of the current computers have at least 4 Gb of RAM, I do not see how currently the RAM consumption can be r a factor to use or not an environment, if the computers come with Win7 and 8 and work well, because any Linux environment works the same or better (XFCE, Unity, Gnome, KDE ... etc.) is the good thing about Linux, there is a lot to choose from, the one that best suits us and we like 😀
    Greetings.

  59.   jf said

    "Kwin –replace" using xfce, it becomes a delight (more if you already configured it in kde)

  60.   VaryHeavy said

    Totally and absolutely agree with the entire article.

  61.   majority said

    KDE is no longer heavy that is a thing of the past ... and with today's machines with enough gigs and mhertz of current processors there are no excuses for not using it ... now if we continue in the past with old machines please refrain from using the best KDE desktop.

  62.   Tesla said

    Excellent opinion elav!

    The truth is that at the beginning of summer I reinstalled my notebook PC and was seriously thinking about switching to KDE (which I have used for a while for quite some time) instead of my already favorite environment for a year and a half, XFCE.

    Like you, I also have a laptop with enough resources to move KDE without problems (even with Akonadi and Nepomuk) since I don't use any graphical effects either.

    However, and as you have pointed out, there are certain reasons of taste why I decided to return to XFCE. We are creatures of habit and when we get used to something we have a hard time leaving it. For not changing, I do not change my GTK theme, nor my icons. And it also happens with applications.

    In my opinion, one of the great drawbacks of KDE is also one of its greatness: the integration between its components. For example Kontact (an amazing application) and Kmail. In my experiences with KDE I have been forced by default to use certain applications (like Amarok, for example) without eating or drinking it. I am aware that others can be installed and used, but I am one of those who thinks that there is no room for two applications that do the same on the same PC, unless they complement each other.

    Like everything, it is pure personal appreciation. And the day I have a desktop PC I would almost certainly use KDE. But for now, I prefer a graphical environment that gives me a good graphical interface and some customization options as far as applications are concerned, like XFCE in Debian to see me with the whole KDE environment.

    Anyway, I am completely in favor of demystifying that KDE is heavy and complex. That may have been a few years ago, but now more than ever KDE is polishing at huge rates, and more so with 4.11.

    Greetings and congratulations on the article!

  63.   elias174 said

    Well, I had slowdown problems (very few but problems at the end) with versions less than 4.9 kde (I use archlinux) but since 4.10 those problems have completely disappeared, I would dare to say that kde is the best current desktop environment, I say it because months ago I was in the interior search of what environment to use (I think we have all done that search hahaha), greetings

    1.    eliotime3000 said

      And me, having KDE 4.8.4 on Debian Wheezy with neither Akonadi nor Nemopunk effects is great. This week I'll be giving Arch + KDE + Iceweasel a taste.

  64.   Miguel said

    I think KDE is the best there is, after Gnome changed its interface

  65.   Juan Pablo Lozano said

    I always wanted to move permanently to KDE but there are things that one does not close me, and it would be good if someone explained them to me,

    For example, when one uses Google Chrome it clearly says "use GTK theme", that is to say that it adheres to a GTK theme, and even so I have seen that the adaptation of Google Chrome is not very good in KDE.

    The other strong point of mine, is that I am a programmer and I use Monodevelop to program in C # at the university, did you have any similar alternative in KDE, is it the same? Can Monodevelop be used in KDE? what are my options?,

    And that added to the customization, there are not many tutorials about it ... so added to that there is a lot of variety of desktop environments and applications made in GTK much larger than those found in KDE makes me question many other things.

    Can someone get me any of those doubts? Thank you!

    1.    msx said

      Dear Juan Pablo:

      My absolutely subjective and tendentious recommendation is that you migrate without thinking twice to KDE SC, it has been almost ~ 7 that I use it and although the rest of desktops and window environments have their advantages in KDE SC they combine, in my opinion, some important points and that I consider essential for a modern desktop environment:
      1. Power: KDE SC is undoubtedly the most powerful desktop environment since it has an infrastructure that * ENORMOUSLY * facilitates the programming of applications that are integrated into it, saving countless hours for programmers who use its libraries.
      2. Flexibility: a KDE SC desktop can be as huge or as minimalist as the user's need or taste.
      In fact, KDE SC is an environment designed with the idea of ​​expanding and working beyond our own workstation. KDE SC displays all its power when it is used in multiscreen environments, allocating in this way, for example, one of the screens for plasmoids and statistics, other screens for private use of the applications you want, for example graphic editing applications to screen complete, etc.
      In fact, KDE SC is the only desktop environment of any platform, not only GNU + Linux, that allows a granular configuration of every aspect of it, be its panels, plasmoids, window management (possibility of choosing on which monitor appears which application, what size the window, where on the screen, or simply maximized, etc.), native support for multiple desktops with different types of use for each desk through the ACTIVITIES, and much, much more. It is really huge and impossible to describe in such a short space. Believe me 95% of KDE SC users have no idea of ​​the power it has under their claws!
      2.a) Visually attractive: KDE SC is the most visually impressive system out there.
      2.b) Versatility to shape the graphical interface: you can transform KDE into a Windows, MacOS, Xfce, Enlightenment, LXDE or even Openbox + tint2 if you wish, now: which of all those desktops can you transform into KDE? None, of course.
      3. With the new version 4.11.1 the desktop took a quantum qualitative leap: it is very, very light and works terribly smooth with all the effects on even on basic boards like the one in my laptop.
      4. It has an excellent integration of Gtk applications not only at the graphical level but also at the level of system requirements since both share DBus as a system messenger, between applications and between applications and system.
      5. The Semantic Desktop is a game-changer: it allows you to index absolutely all the content of your computer - or whatever you decide - so that later you can find it in a trivial way using the best file manager of any platform that exists today. called Dolphin.
      If the semantic desktop is active, Dolphin automatically sorts the files by the date they were used the last time (in the style of the new Windows Libraries or Finder tags), search for text within the files and many more functions .
      6. Akonadi: using MaríaDB as a database backend, it is in charge of managing the user's personal information so that the Kontact suite gives you full access to your commitments marked on the calendar to incorporate them into emails, set up meetings and, for Above all, integrate it into web services like Google's: in KDE SC the web and the desktop can be two separate or merged places, it all depends on how you use your system and your requirements.
      KDE does not force you to do things in a certain way, it always offers you on a platter the possibility that you do them as you like or feel more comfortable and productive.
      7. Web integration: KDE SC has been fully integrated to the web, for several versions so that if a specific plasmoid or extension is not packaged in your distro you can install it through KDE SC's own control center.
      8. «... and even so seeing I have seen that the adaptation of Google Chrome is not very good in KDE.» I have no idea what you saw, but don't judge the forest by seeing the tree 😉
      Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about, the "integration" of Chrome / Chromium to KDE is perfect, if they don't tell you that the browser is not native you won't realize it.
      9. Monodevelop: POOR, PROGRAM IN .NET !!! xDD
      Back, what is the problem? MonoDevelop integrates perfectly with KDE SC, visually and at system level, back I have no idea what you are talking about.
      10. More apps in Gtk !? But are you sure!?? Qt has been attacking for no less than 2 years now and on the contrary, what is abounding are applications programmed with the toolkit, partly because it is the one that Canonical officially adopted for Ubuntu.
      Pay attention: Ubuntu uses Gtk libraries but chooses Qt to develop its applications. Where is the problem?
      Those doubts that you have added to your request for a KDE tutorial make me think that you are relatively new to GNU + Linux.
      The best advice someone can give you is to:
      10.1. If you want to try KDE *** INSTALLS KDE *** either on a physical partition or VM and do all the tests and disasters you want to familiarize yourself with the environment, visit KDE.org, browse the forums and learn about the capabilities of the desk.
      10.2. Do the same with the rest of the desktops and window managers. Not all of us have the same tastes or needs and what might seem unnecessary to someone else is a showstopper if they don't have this feature.
      11. Applications: KDE has without a doubt the most powerful applications of any platform (speaking of the apps that are part of the desktop, of course, that's why it is called KDE SC, that is, KDE Software Compilation.

      Finally, the experience of using KDE varies a lot according to the distribution you choose, for example, in Slack and Debian it generally works well although by the nature of these distros the version is quite old, about two years ago, approx.
      openSUSE recently adopted it as its desktop, but the problem with SUSE is that it keeps getting fatter. openSUSE aims to be a bridge between Windows and GNU + Linux systems and as such has a plethora of applications intended for the administration of Windows systems that make the distribution quite heavy. Of course: for a systems administrator who does not want to complicate life too much, YaST2 is spectacular, you can really configure what you want from there, although of course, the price you pay is that the system looks like an elephant: very intelligent, yes , but huge and heavy. (Besides the openSUSE update system, its repos and license files are cumbersome to manage)
      While the openSUSE community deserves the credit for the * GREAT * integration work they continually do, the guys are hard-working ants: when they decided to adopt KDE as their main desktop they dedicated themselves to creating the necessary patches and applications that are needed for non-native programs KDE and Firefox are PERFECTLY integrated into KDE, that merit and that achievement that we all enjoy today we owe to them.
      Arch, Chakra, and Manjaro are three ultralight distros that will allow you to enjoy KDE to its full potential.
      Arch I only recommend it if you are a sysadmin, if what you want is to program, you should look at another distribution that does not need as much administration as Chakra or Manajaro.

      You also have Mageia, which they say is fine, Sabayon, whose versions are good and one is not, and Gentoo / Funtoo if you want to get your head sick and have the machine on continuously compiling everything throughout the day xD

      Of those based on Debian / Ubuntu I think that Mint is the most drinkable, NetRunner is an indescribable monster that only uses KDE as a base but then fills it with Gtk apps and weird things and Kubuntu is a time bomb that you don't know when it goes to explode - which is a shame because the skinny behind the distro is piola, you can tell that he puts his grip on it to make Kubuntu an alternative would be but in the end it always happens the same as with Ubuntu, it leaves you feeling half baked in mouth.

      Regards!
      (short because I got bored of writing and to tell the truth as an answer on the blog I went away. KDE is immense and the only way to really know it, not only the graphical interface but its internal mechanism is to spend hours in front of the machine reading documentation, doing tests and knowing the capabilities of the framework and Qt)

    2.    eVeR said

      Good!
      A KDE user since 2001 to the rescue!
      1) Chrome and Monodevelop use the GTK + library for the graphical interface. This means that in order to load the application, you must first load GTK +. This slows down the application startup for a few seconds if you are in KDE because it does not preload GTK + as the others do. But beyond those seconds, you shouldn't have any malfunction. As for the visual, if you use a KDE-oriented distro (openSUSE, Chakra, Mandriva, Mageia, Kubuntu, etc.) you probably don't have to do anything to make it look perfect. If you use a distro more "to configure by hand" (Debian, Arch, Slackware, etc) you will have to configure the appearance of the GTK + applications separately, but it is not a science and with little effort it is perfect.
      2) Personalization is one of KDE's flagships. It is simply supreme. It's not like Gnome that you choose a theme, an icon pack and bye options. Here you can change absolutely every detail. Window theme, plasma theme, desktop shape and behavior, colors, window object theme (widgets, even some of these themes, like Oxygen and QtCurve have configurable options), emoticon theme, icon theme, cursor, session manager theme, arrangement of window elements, title bar, application menu, taskbar behavior, individual behavior of effects, etc. etc. etc.
      So there are customization possibilities, and plenty. And if you don't want to spend a lot, you can directly install bundles (like Caledonia) that bring you a theme for each thing so that everything fits together.

      I hope it has served you and encourages you to try this wonder.
      A hug

    3.    182 said

      tuneatulinux.blogspot.com to customize KDE, although now the blog is a bit abandoned ...

      PS: SPAM FTW: 3

  66.   Rainbow_fly said

    Sometimes when you keep up to date you don't notice the great progress that KDE has made

    Until recently, I was on debian 7, which if I remember correctly, stayed at kde 4.8 ... and was firm in my idea of ​​"kde is heavy but it's worth it"

    I moved to Arch and I can't believe the enormous speed it has gained from version to version oo

    1.    msx said

      Don't forget the base: 4.8.x in Arch was supreme.
      Wheezy is really good, I think the best Debian yet, but Arch by its nature of not patching unnecessarily and trying to keep the base system as clean as possible is itself one of the fastest and lightest systems out there when we speak of complete distributions.
      Clearly that SliTaz and the like are faster and lighter… but thus they are also a fraction of what Arch or Debian is.

  67.   snock said

    I do not change kde for anything, see that I test desktops…. The integration is total in kde things that in other desktops each one goes to his ball. Akonadi if I use it but nepomuk no ... I'm decompressing large files (7-8 gb) and download and delete a lot ... He spent all day working 😛, and although he has improved a lot he still has.

  68.   sdiaz said

    I have the same team, we will have to give KDE a try. Although maybe that breaks the concept of minimalism that I have adopted in this team (I don't even have a DM) and that I have adapted very well to Awesome 🙂

  69.   itachi said

    Look at this post by Elav, I think he was very right:

    Why am I definitely not using KDE?
    Posted on August 26, 2011
    19

    A few days ago I ventured to test KDE 4.6.6 on Debian Testing. The main objective was none other than to give it a try, or to convince myself that this excellent desktop environment is definitely not for me. As I expected, it was the second.

    It is not that I am predisposed as KZKG ^ Gaara told me, but there are still many things that have not convinced me and that is why I have written this post, to share with you those details that KDE has that I still do not like.

    I installed the KDE-Full package so that nothing was missing and I was able to verify something that I already knew and that undoubtedly deserves its merit: KDE has the most complete set of applications that exists in GNU / Linux. He does not lack anything. But that's where one of the things I don't like comes in.

    The super integration of the desktop and its applications are somewhat excessive. I can cite an example: I love Kmail, the KDE mail client, but it doesn't work correctly if you don't have KWallet working and Akonadi, especially for managing contacts. Without KWallet running, Kmail doesn't remember the people I write to or have in my Contacts, so it doesn't auto-complete email addresses.

    As every KDE user should know, Akonadi + Virtuoso + Nepomuk are essential for KDE to function as a semantic desktop, but at the same time, they increase the consumption of it, making the performance look somewhat poor. We can always disable (a little) these applications, but in the end they will always be needed for something.

    KDE is configurable down to its last corner, but for my taste everything is too separate. It is true that we can have the bar of one color, the windows of another, but this makes me very tedious. I still don't quite understand the color management and there is something about the interface that I don't quite like. I see the Oxygen theme very nerdy, and as much as I installed the necessary Gtk engines, the Gtk applications that I always use (Firefox, Thunderbird, Pidgin) looked horrible. Not to mention the menu. Slow and for me with little accessibility. Many mouse clicks to get where you want or go back.

    KDE fanboys excuse me, but I find Plasma disgusting. Configuring the panel elements seems like an odyssey and I don't see it at all intuitive. If you don't use a Plasmoid or the option to view folders, the KDE Desktop is only used to set a wallpaper.

    The Administration / System Configuration panel or whatever you want to call it, has everything we need, but it is slow and is very dense. A new user would be lost with so many options. I think they should put some variant more summarized with the functions that are used the most. With network and proxy management I had several adaptation problems.

    Anyway. There are many things that I can mention, but as a summary I can say that I do not like having as many options on a desktop as KDE has, or rather, not in such a complicated way. If I had to define KDE with 3 words, I would use: Monster, Dense and Crowded.

    It may be that I am used to having things easily in Gnome 2.30 or Xfce 4.8, but if KDE had fewer configuration options I think that I, and any user who only needs a good desktop to work, we would be happier. It is not to criticize KDE, and I am sure that its users will be able to find a justification for everything that I do not like, even maybe for KDE 5 I will give it another chance, but that desktop is definitely not for me.

    Has the speech changed ??? linuxers are definitely crazy.

    1.    elav said

      If you reread what I put in you will see that I was talking about KDE 4.6. Do you know how many changes KDE has had since then? See if so, my opinion started to change as of KDE 4.8. And yes, I think Linux users are crazy 😀

    2.    msx said

      The post refers to version 4.6 when KDE still lacked a lot of polish, in fact still at that time they did not stop adding new features every day.

      Whenever you hear me say two different things, stick with the last one I said.
      I do not remember who was the thinker who said that but he is very right.

      1.    msx said

        "... but he's very right."
        Damn iodistic syndrome!

  70.   dmazed said

    I was so adapted to GNOME that when I started using KDE it seemed too heavy even when starting…. Using chakra I have adapted to the beautiful and super configurable interface that this desktop has that really has nothing to envy to any other open source, the only thing is as a friend there commented, GTK applications look pathetic and a good browser is missing for this environment since the most used (opera, firefox, chromium, google chrome) are adapted to GNOME and XFCE, you also need a good dock (daisy does not convince me), but with applications as powerful as Amarok (I love it), calligra, okular, gwenview, dolphin, among others, makes you be captivated when you turn on your pc and see something so powerful .. Anyway, everyone uses what they like best and adapts, but KDE I only think that followed by gnome does not surpass it any…

    1.    msx said

      But… but… what is your friend talking about?
      Please check these screenshots:
      http://i.imgur.com/kUkapRO.png
      http://i.imgur.com/JHegApr.png

      How pathetic Gtk apps look like in Chakra, right !?
      Amazing!

      If your friend is going to get high, at least he is not a mouse and buy the good one because what he drinks makes him say silly things.
      (I'm being nice to attribute the bullshit he says to what he takes and not a possible synaptic failure)

  71.   henryvra said

    I've always been a KDE lover, but it never really convinces me. It always causes me problems with the applications (I am branded). Xubuntu is my main OS and it will continue to be although eOS is interested in trying it as main 😀