Linus Torvalds has once again put out the sharp tongue in his profile in Google+. Turns out, he decided to upgrade from Fedora 14 to 17, because the X versions were old enough. But he was also aware that he had to deal with GNOME 3, an environment with which he does not get along.
First he begins by criticizing the fact that it has to be installed gnome-tweak-tool to change the font size, when these defects should already be fixed in this version.
Then he continues with the great object of his quarrel: the site extensions.gnome.org. The favorites panel extension is installed first, mostly to avoid using the main menu to open multiple terminals. But then when you want to install the auto-hide extension, the site tells you that your GNOME 3 version is not up to date (Fedora version is 3.4.1). Then he discovers that it is the Chrome plugin that is broken. Try Firefox and succeed. Now you don't need to look at "that ugly ass thing that was clearly designed by some teenage goth who thinks black is cool."
But where did the lock screen button go? He regrets that the extension he used for that doesn't work anymore. It also cannot find the extension that allows you to add flags to Chrome's entry in the favorites panel.
The post ends by saying:
I have to say that I thought the technique of extensions.gnome.org to fix gnome3 deficiencies it was really fine. It made me say "Ahh, I can finally solve the problems I had." But it seems that it has become another big problem, when it ends up turning from something almost magical to customize your desktop to something that randomly fails and does not follow a pattern on a number of different machines. And the extensions seem to randomly fail when you update the system, so they won't work the way they did or the way they would if you installed only the base system. Conclusion: extensions.gnome.org It may be a very good idea, but it seems to have some serious usability issues in practice. And the whole focus of de Gnome 3 from "By default, we won't give you the most basic tools to fix things, but you can hack things using unofficial extensions." seems to be a total flaw for the user experience. "
Source: https://plus.google.com/102150693225130002912/posts/UkoAaLDpF4i
I think similar, I love gnome shell, more q unity, kde, and lxde and xfce.
The problem is right, sometimes the plugins fail randomly, maybe the plugins stop appearing visually but they are active in the configuration, or strange things.
But I suppose that these are things that will be solved over time
Everything the teacher said is true!
At this point "instead of making visual changes" http://www.muylinux.com/2012/05/11/cambios-visuales-en-gnome-3-6/ to the system .. They should adapt things for one to be able to personalize 🙁
I like gnome shell. but once it is installed you have to put so much hand into it and to be able to do it you have to resort to another external side ..
Anyway! time will tell everything ... or we get all the green ones and then eat the ripe ones with gnome or we just go to KDE 4.8.3
Luckily I have gotten the desktop that I always wanted, with MATE on Debian I don't have those problems of modern super desktops. I learned to use GNU / Linux with Gnome 2 and I got used to its menu and the way of organizing things, a lot of productivity is lost with these desktops today.
Of course the day I have a tablet I will try Gnome Shell or Unity, but for the moment I like things the way I have always used them.
Linus is definitely too contradictory, he doesn't like anything. You have to remember that he hated Gnome.
The contradictory thing, or more precisely the opposite, is that he said he liked Gnome 3.
To some extent Linus has a lot of validity. I like Gnome 3 very, very much, but it must keep moving forward. I think Gnome 3 has a lot of potential, it has to be more adaptable. But aesthetically I find it simply beautiful.
Well boy, I don't feel so lost not being able to adapt to that version of gnome.
Now testing Xfce, I'm still looking for my environment.
regards
Before criticizing Torvald, note that both kde and gnome have abandoned the fundamentals to develop applications in * nix, I mean basically modularity, small programs efficiently interconnected. which Torvald does not! The kernel is modular, and if you want it monolithic, it gives you the ability to compile it (not very difficult). I silver:
- why do I have to use mysql, akonadi, nepomuk?
- why do I have to install networkmanager, pulseaudio, evolution libraries?
- why is a shutdown button considered unnecessary? (I remember criticism of windows vista for how cumbersome to turn off the system)
- Why is the blue screenshots criticized and the application that makes "crash" closes quickly, may the windozero next door see it? (because kde up to 4.5 continually reminded me that it was a development version, despite being an official release)
I understand that users cannot impose their tastes on the development of a gnome-sized desktop, but hey, they don't want to put a visible shutdown button.
I understand that users have to collaborate, but come on, don't suffer.
It is more I understand
So, conquer the desktops, of course this is not the way.
regards
Nobody forced him not to use a normal desktop like kde, there he.
I also did not like the path that gnome was taking and I changed distro, it is the good thing about Linux, that you can choose. Now with Xubuntu deluxe, thunar already shows thumbnails of the videos, for me the lighter the desktop the better.
and why instead of criticizing so much, do you make your own distro? maybe Trovalds Operative System
Totally agree.
Gentlemen, Toverpowered You don't need to make your own distro, just what you do is enough for others to do the job. I think Torvalds you have every right to criticize whatever you want, and until now, whenever you open your mouth to lash out at something, you've always done so objectively.
For you, Linus is objective, but for other people it is not and just as Linus can criticize what he wants, we can also criticize what we want, including Linus's comments. Now what was missing is that a poor devil like Elav has to tell us that we have to write on this blog.
I would like to know what your pain is? To begin with, I did not say at any time like "users have to write comments on this blog" but in case I did, I have every right, because this "poor devil" as you say, is one of the owners/administrators. of this site, and the domain «desdelinux.net».
I don't know why it seems to me that you have something personal against me. Do we know each other? It's a shame that everything is virtual, I would like you to attack all your anger against me face to face, where the story would be very different.
Finally, if you don't like it, you have all the freedom to no longer access the site of a poor devil like me.
uffff my brother you had been slow to answer…. it was about time 😉
As you well say, it is a pity that everything is virtual, face to face it would be all different, it is irrelevant to me that you are the owner of this blog, what bothers is the paternalistic tone as you write.
If you don't like the way I write, what are you doing entering this site? Is someone forcing you? What is your problem? I don't quite understand any of this. Apparently, you are the one who wants to impose how I write.
I'm super sure that Andres = Arturo !!
What a coincidence that a new person reads the post and agrees to attack elav <° Linux ... This character had not commented on anything and suddenly a certain Andres appears with a name supporting Arturo ahahahahahaha
How cheap is the theater Andres, Arturo or whatever your name is.
My name is Andrés Arturo, Jamín, and I believe that elav does not need you to defend him. Jamín first you need some good writing classes, spelling, that you go at least to school, to be able to make some decent comments on this blog. You're like the ugly duckling in class.
puffff you give me a lot of laugh broder !! and I'm not defending anyone ...
What you are talking about seems to be pure shellfish on your part, including this Arturo ...
How stupid .. to go against the administrator of this blog
do not enter this site again and you will run out of trouble ..
I don't understand what the pain is?
Peo? , Jamín urgently need to enter the school.
Sorry, sorry. I only intervene to point out that the idioms of the different countries are not a misspelling. Peo in Venezuela it is the same as Fart in Mexico or other countries. Good night =)
hahahahaha there can be no better answer ...
We can also criticize what we want, including Linus's comments, which are often not objective, What was missing for a poor devil like Elav to tell us what to write on this blog.
Opinions are not objective, everyone has their own. There are opinions that carry a lot of weight (like those of Torvalds) and there are others that nobody pays attention to. The point is that we must avoid outbursts so as not to disturb others.
Anyone's comments are important whether they come from the President or Windóusico and you never have to try to impose yourself, because no one has the absolute truth, much less Elav. You have to respect so that they respect you.
@Arturo, without acrimony, you have to lead by example (respect). And I do not agree that all opinions are important (at least not on the same level). They are just as respectable, but not as important. The opinion of a stranger matters less than that of Linus.
What a long and boring answer.
Also without Windóusico acrimony, Thanks to unknown people who have valued the work of Linus; Linux and Linus are important and that leading by example tell Elav, who offends with his style of imposing his opinions,
@elav <° Linux has written a somewhat "patronizing" comment. But the "poor devil" seems pejorative and an exaggerated answer.
Amancio Ortega didn't get rich because a lot of anonymous people decided to buy clothes in his stores. Strangers cannot take credit for Linus's success. His talent, good decisions and a series of coincidences (luck also plays a role) made him important. You may dislike him, but you must respect his opinion on GNOME 3 (I also share it).
@Arthur Te invitation so that you do not bother to put "qualifiers" of that type to anyone, whoever does not seem to you or you do not agree with X opinion does not give you the right to insult and later disqualify something that goes against your perspective or ideology, ok?
Perseus, I love the way you address people, but Elav doesn't, which opens a huge door for you to be insulted.
have @Arturo according to YOU .. what things did Elav say that you found obscene or in bad taste?
I am with Torvalds
Gnome 3 Shell is still "infumable"
That a desktop environment needs to stuff itself with extensions to have an average usability is unheard of for the times we are ...
Gnome 3 Shell is still too green, it is a pre-alpha, they should not release incomplete products like "that" they call Gnome 3 Shell
But this is just my personal opinion ... sure.
That's what xfce is for, version 4.10 is good.
I have the same opinion. Fast, beautiful and stable, VERY STABLE.
The other environments are good, and more to show off 😉
But when it comes to working or using the real PC, for me nothing compares to XFCE (personal opinion with good vibes)
If it is beautiful ... maybe it lacks some details to be fast and very stable. Or not if I have tuned my distro or my netbook too much and it will only serve as a table to chop vegetables ... hehehe
I've been testing Gnome 3 for a few days, since Fedora, and everything was fine until I installed the extensions: the system became unstable and erratic, as well as slow. It's a shame to be honest, because I was liking it. now I'm testing Unity, which, without being perfect, at least with me has been good.
So is!
it is not for wanting to defend ubunu but Gnome Shell 3.4 behaves better than in fedora 17
You got the wrong blog, this is not very linux. Return to the nest of trolls where you belong !!!
Ah geez! I swear I answered someone ¬¬
I do not understand why Linus cries if the extensions are still green, silly the one I hope for stability xD
someday they will get used
A desktop like gnome shell should have its own customization instead of using extensions, which is what consumes more resources on the system and causes instability. The gnome shell is in its infancy, it still has a long way to go and its evolution is very slow compared to the other desktops, even the unity is more stable than it, we hope that it will be better or the desertion of this desk will continue
For Windóusico, who is Elav himself, I respect Linus's comments but I do not share them, the one I do not respect is you Elav for that quite marked tint in his comments of imposing his ideas and as you say quite paternalistic.
That I am the same Elav? Are you writing that to put us on the same level or do you think we are the same person? I don't understand the comment.
In a debate the participants try to impose their ideas. That's what the game is about. What you can not do is disrespect the first few changes.
A greeting.
I think they are the same person, if not, then I insulted you for mistaking you for Elav and I understand that.
Doing a little research you would know that this is not possible. I see that you are still in the same (missing). I have already made my opinion clear. So I write my final point ——————–>.
From the first comment, I also made my opinion very clear. But, you Elav insisted on following this debate.
Now yes, bye.
Windousian:
Do not take a fight with this man, who clearly seems to have mistaken the place and apparently has confused me with someone else.
I still do not understand what problem my initial comment has, but as I said above, I am sure that this Arturo is someone who has some kind of problem with me from the past and only happened to annoy.
A guy who doesn't know me, doesn't know who I am, or how I think. I wish I could tell all that tricks to my face, but it's easier to hide behind a nickname and create chaos on a blog.
So my friend, you don't even mind ...
Let's go to KDE and that's it.
Ejejeje xD .. it is the taste of each user and how they feel more comfortable 🙂
regards
And I am Linus Torvalds ... I log into this blog as jasmont ... I have read everything they have said about me and my opinion ...
Muaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
(Important Note: As I see that there are defenders and detractors of Linus's opinions, the previous lines were a Complete Joke in reference to the climate of tension between Elav, Arturo, Windóusico and Andrés, not to disrespect anyone. I hope there is farts -o pedos- for that and then trolle me! Cheers!)
Exactly what a bacillon all this xD
bacilon = joke
Hesitate, bro! With V from TorVards! LOL! A hug!
ahahahaha xD
This blog is better than any comedy show, JAJAJAJAJAJAJA, very good. and it is made by Cubans.
This blog is very good, it is better than any comedy program, HAHAHAHAHA, finally these Cubans did something good.
I don't take this very 'pretty' ... ¬_¬
Another pleasant surprise is that I thought that in Cuba they did not have Internet, with respect, without offending. You know one thinks of Cuba as a prehistoric country.
This blog is better than a comedy show JAJAJAJAJAJA, and it is made by Cubans, I did not know they had internet, because one thinks that Cuba is a prehistoric country, congratulations !!!!!!!!!!!!! , HAHAHAJAJAJAJAJAJ
"Seems to be a total flaw for the user experience." (hahaha) I have lived that frustration from the first moment I installed GNU / Linux ...
But Gnome Shell? It is by far the best desktop you can install, it is much more practical, efficient, dynamic and aesthetically correct than any other, Windows, macOS and in this package I do not get into tragedy.
And for a person (Torvalds) who has openly declared that he has absolutely no good taste for aesthetics and design criticizes, loses objectivity. You can really argue functionality, but not criticize image.
The one who decides is the end user, they are those numbers in the surveys that tell you that Gnome Shell is rising drastically, they are those distros that increasingly move to Gnome 3 Shell ... It is that experience when you show a Windowsero your machine and say ... «sh .... How amazing, Linux finally does something good ”and it has happened to me several times.
Right !!
go I was late 117 days after the last comment and even so I entertained myself reading the broncon between elav and arturo, well anyway we are all different and tolerance and respect are values that very few know ...
regards