Launch LMDE has been one of the best decisions that developers of Linux Mint. Although it may not seem like it, thanks to LMD, many users switched to this distribution (Debian lovers most of all) to enjoy its advantages and good finish.
Everything was going well. Support forums were created for this variant, users were happy with its performance and the simple fact of having Debian below, with all that this entails (Safety, Stability, Speed) made of LMDE a more than interesting option. Many have even come to think that it would be a very good idea that Linux Mint put aside his version of Ubuntu and will be kept only on Debian Testing, thus taking advantage of the almost rolling release that this branch offers us.
In the beginning we only had to use the repositories of Debian Testing, along with a small custom repository for LMDE with the packages and tools that it included Linux Mint. Everything was working wonders until, one fine day, it occurred to them to keep your own repositories.
I confess that I was moved by the idea, but in the end time has shown me that it has only been a regrettable mistake. Many users, of course, changed their sources.list to target the new repositories. The result? The effect has been completely lost rolling release and now users have to wait for Upgrade Packages (Update Package) that have results to be rarer than the Service Pack de Windows.
The slowness of these updates is due to several reasons. First of all, because Clem lefebvre spends most of its time supporting the version of Ubuntu. To that we add that the team of developers of Linux Mint It is small and of course, it should not cope with so much work by having to correct each bug that occurs. Nor is it unreasonable to think that the launch of Gnome 3 and its slow incorporation into Debian be one of the reasons.
This has created a strong wave of protests in the forums of Linux Mint. Many users have changed their source.list and now they update directly from the repositories of Debian and the most they have received in response from ClemIs that LMDE it's like an experiment and all these delays are because of that.
However from my point of view I see two options:
<° We forget about the Rolling Release effect and we are left with the promise that we will have stability by slowly updating the packages that are included in the repositories of LMDE.
<° Repositories are pointed to those of Debian Testing at the risk that a package of Linux Mint.
The choice is yours. I just think that things should be like before. Continue using the repositories testing, and the guys from Mint they just have to make sure that the tools we have in the LMDE Mini Repository (if they haven't removed it), do not break with the update of some package.
Of course, I do not agree with what some users say who accuse boys of Mint of liars, as in the comments on colleague burjans blog. LMDE It has fallen asleep, it is true, but everything is in that the developers dedicate more time to it. If you want to see how the discussion goes (In English) you can walk around this post.
I thought that the LMDE had completely its own repositories, one more reason to stick with my Debian Testing 🙂
regards
I would stay with the first option since I am not in such a rush to have the newest software
It's true, everything has been very slow ... unfortunate because I love LMDE = (I'll try the Debian Testing repositories to see what happens ...
The serious problem of Linux Mint is that distribution has become so popular that it has undermined the ability of the Clement and that is one of the main reasons why they are still tied to the version Ubuntu.
How do I see this problem? My point of view is that Lefebvre opened another "War front" without having enough army and that today, for today, their batteries are more focused on the development of the fork Cinnamon who have neglected the trenches of LMDE.
Is this an unforgivable oversight and a lie of Lefebvre? I don't see it that way.
It is one thing that users of Linux Mint have been excited that they would finally remove the stigma of 'second Ubuntu"-which every time a large part of the users of Ubuntu they rub it in their face-, that they will finally have a distro that offers the robustness of Debian and another very different than LMDE became the main edition of Linux Mint. And I say "main edition" because maintaining a distro rolling requires focusing all the scarce resources that the team of Lefebvre account and that would mean leaving editing based on Ubuntu.
In a nutshell; you can not do both and that is the error of Clement.
But another important point is that you, elav, you have touched; GNOME 3 it is still somewhat problematic in Debian and one of the things that is careful in Linux Mint it is precisely the user / desktop experience.
What can we users of Linux Mint? I think that basically three things and the first two you already exposed, elav, the third is that users of Mint Let's go the extra mile and cooperate so that the branch Mint / Debian be developed without further ado.
Your comments are definitely the best *-*
Tell me if the article that is in Earrings, you finished it already 🙂
Kisses
Thanks a thousand. Yes, the topic is finished and ready for review and publication.
Greetings.
Old man let her post directly like us, it's better
It smells like buitreeeeee xD
WTF !!! What's going on with the writers of <° Linux? !!!!!
Courage and now pandev92…. both using Windows (to top this second IE!)
xDD, I am on the day of playing pro evolution soccer 12 and call of duty, so I'm on windows and what to tell you, this new internet explorer is doing very well for me XD, I have been surprised even ahahahaha
hey, you're like the linux police hahahahaha
And even Hasefroch's balls, it bothers me to buy a new hard drive ¬¬
It gives me that Clem suffers from a personalization disorder with Uncle Mark, for fools: It gives me that he is a resentful ubunto who wants to have a name
LOL! Courage, I do not know if you are serious, but the truth is that you have made me laugh ... I can imagine Clem and Mark making it of Fat and Skinny. 😀 😀
Well yes, because Clem's attitude has been similar to Mark's, which bothers me quite a bit
The truth is that I was in the Ubuntu-based version before, but I switched to LMDE for a long time and the truth is that I could not bear being told that it was a rolling release and that in the end the packages were hardly updated every week , so I decided to cut my losses and add the Debian Testing, Unstable and Experimental repositories, and now I have everything up to date. Some dependency problems do occur with Mint packages, but for me, that what I use Mint are a couple of things (the updater and something else) is not a problem for me.
I liked LMDE a lot when I was still in my beginnings in Linux, but I still had the usual problems, I was never able to install the catalyst drivers in debian / lmde and then activate the compiz for the effects, the problem was that with the radeon day yes and day yes, it reached 95 degrees and that I think my notebook was not amused.
I know that is out of place, but ... the Windows thing, okay, it's "normal", but IE ?? Seriously??? XD
This IE works very well, if you have windows 7 sp1, try it xd
I have it, and it doesn't convince me but nothing at all
Since they can't maintain a rolling realese distribution, they should go back to the repositories from before it was working.
For my part I have already changed the Source.list with the debian Testing repositories and leave one of mint just in case of some interesting update. Right now I am updating 🙂
I don't think clem is a liar. You will be doing everything you can, you just won't be able to do everything. But then a solution would be, as Julian says, leave the repos pointing to debian testing at least until it can take care of the distro. What cannot be is that you leave it without updating for who knows how long.
Personally that is the option that I like the most and that is how I have it. And update daily without giving a problem.
I don't want to make matters worse, but many LMDE fans also resented that Clem promised them a KDE version and nothing.
IMHO Clem's mistake was not envisioning all the possible difficulties that might arise, he ventured too far into his vision for a better LinuxMint.
PS: "Public" relations are not his forte (of Clem), he first described LMDE as a project and then it degraded to a WTF "experiment"? Some, quietly, we look prettier.
Jack of all trades, master of none.
I have no doubt about it. After so many years of endless updates (some disastrous, I remember one from Ubuntu that left many of us without a network) without having to choose, I prefer the Update Packs to these.
That this means that my system develops more slowly, yes, but it is also evident that the released packages will be practically 100% tested by the Mint team and optimal to be used.
Now that LMDE is more stopped than normal at this time. It is also perfectly serviceable. Mint is not Ubuntu and those who say that the much covers little tightens are also right.
I believe that Clemen did not expect the great reception of LMDE at any time.
LMDE was labeled (For advanced users) and they did not think that they were going to make it easier for the not so advanced to migrate to it. Now they have three big problems. On the one hand, keep Mint and its main product and the one that has taken it to high levels of popularity and its lifelong users. The great implication of giving a real alternative to Unity and Gnome 3. A really absorbing job that now takes practically all of the time. Finally, the great demand that the great success with LMDE has supposed. The appearance of Gnome 3 that has caused a large number of users to cling to it tooth and nail. And surely Mint did not count on this avalanche.
I think you should have a little patience and wait to see how everything unfolds.
Either way, LMDE is a great product and all this controversy will help keep it going. Right or wrong, the main thing is to talk about it so that the Mint developers have no choice but to give an answer to all these new thousands of users.
Greetings.
LMDE if it is a Rolling release, such as Windows or MacOsX which are updated with Services-Packs which makes them much less complicated to use for the common user since they have an SP every one or two years and do not have to be Updating or installing updates all the time, in addition when the packages are updated they are re-tested and in 99.99% of the time the update is done without any inconvenience, this means that, for example, the company where I work will start using Linux (LMDE) for the first time in office computers to replace Windows since the maintenance is the same; Some years ago it was tested with Ubuntu LTS but it was a disaster since after a year and a half or so it stopped updating and the system became very unstable, now if you want a distro that updates them every day regardless of stability then LMDE it is not for you.
Just yesterday I updated the Firefox browser in LMDE through the corresponding repositories, a sign that the project is not paralyzed and is still on its way. This is a Rolling Release distribution and for that alone it is worth installing. But it also works wonderfully. I will continue with it with patience and I am convinced that it will come to the end. Slowly, but surely and surely. This is how they work in LMDE for a job well done.