Arch Linux + KDE Installation Log: Knowing the Differences

Arch-Linux

Yesterday I installed on one of the computers at work the most popular Rolling Release distribution of GNU / Linux right now: Arch Linux.

The task was not difficult, but it was not easy either, and in the process I learned a lot of things and I want to share part of the acquired knowledge with all of you.

I start by saying that the last time I installed Arch Linux everything was much easier, but once you get used to the new way of installation, the process becomes very fast. Imagine that doing everything that I will show you later, it did not take me more than 5 minutes to have the base system installed and working. Of course, I have some local repositories, so the delay will be where the packages are installed.

What a Debian (or other distros) user should know

Perhaps the most difficult thing is not so much the installation as managing to understand how it works systemd. Trying to find an analogy as close as possible for users of Debian, I give you an example:

When we install KDE and when starting the computer KDM (or another service) does not start, what we do is run on the TTY:

# /etc/init.d/kdm start

Or what is the same:

# service kdm start

Well, in the case of systemd first we have to enable the service:

# systemctl enable kdm.service

and then start it:

# systemctl star kdm.service

So far everything is easy, but where does the matter get complicated? Well, there are other demons such as that of NetworkManager, that seeing the previous example one would think that it is activated by putting:

# systemctl enable networkmanager.service

or something similar, but it is not like that, but we have to put:

# systemctl enable NetworkManager

There is another very important detail with the subject of the network. Forget about ethX y wlanX, no more ifconfig, Ifup, ifdown.. now things are different. For example, my network interfaces, both wired and WiFi are now called (in this order): enp5s0 y wlp9s0.

How do we know this if we no longer have ifconfig? Well, using the command:

$ ip link

In Debian to build an interface we only had to open a terminal and put:

# ifup eth0

And to disable it:

# ifdown eth0

Now to raise or disable a network interface we have to do it using the commands:

# ip link set enp5s0 down

And to lift them:

# ip link set enp5s0 up

If we want to manually set an IP in Debian and derivatives, we just have to put:

# ifconfig eth0 192.168.X.X [otros parámetros opcionales]

However in Arch Linux we have to use the command:

# ip link set enp5s0 up # ip addr add 192.168.XX / 255.255.255.0 dev enp5s0 # ip route add default via 192.168.XX

In the case of WiFi we have to execute:

# wifi-menu wlp9s0

Particularly these are the things that mainly collide with the user coming from Debian when entering the world Arch Linux. There may be others but at least for me these have been the most important.

Then, we have to adapt to the fact that we no longer use:

# aptitude update

But

# pacman -Su

And that we do not install with:

# aptitude install

But with:

# pacman -S

Of course, if they are so adapted to Aptitude, we can always create a couple of aliases to run PacMan using the same commands as in Debian 😀

And finally we must bear in mind that it is possible that the names of some packages or meta-packages differ somewhat in Debian and Arch.

My impressions and my first contact

I really like the speed with which the Laptop starts up, since the Grub passes until the KDM starts it only takes about 5 seconds (without exaggeration and with a SATA HDD).

Another thing that you get used to quickly is the speed with which the packages are installed using Pacman, it is really fast, although I have to find a way to adapt it a little to my preferences, for example, highlight the search results with colors or something like that because as it comes by default it is a bit difficult to find something.

In ArchLinux we already have available KDE 4.10.5 but something strange happens to me, and that is with Nepomuk activated, when it begins to calculate and check if there are new files, the RAM consumption increases (without touching anything) and the happy Vvirtuous he has consumed more than 1GB by himself. Luckily this is something that is in the process of being solved with KDE 4.11.

On the other hand, I understand that Arch Linux is KISS and everything else, but I don't understand why they don't adopt a simpler installer, something simpler especially for the most critical part of the installation, which is the partitioning. For a user somewhat accustomed to GNU / Linux, the way to install Arch may seem simple, but for a newcomer, it seems not to me.

And nothing, that's how my adventure begins with this distribution, which as my colleague KZKG ^ Gaara told me: "Let's see how long it lasts." I have a lot of work ahead of me, reading a lot of documentation and experimenting to be able to do everything I do with my Debian ... And this has been my little ToDo:

  • Install the packages I use on a daily basis and get the system ready.
  • Install Qemu-KVM
  • Install Web Server

In the second part of this installation log we will see how to install Arch Linux without dying in the attempt .. 🙂


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  1.   David said

    These days I find myself reinstalling arch since I changed my hdd to an ssd (it does not start in 5 seconds and I am polishing it a lot) little by little one realizes that everything is very simple, well after initial fear everything is fine (after hours of setup, which we would do without the magnificent arch wiki).

    It all starts when you want to leave everything nickel-plated, because here the thing starts to be interesting, you need somewhat advanced knowledge and think a bit (in arch they don't give anything away), to make a service that turns off the bluetooth when turning on the first time it takes one hour and for the next two seconds. With systemd everything is different, you need a service and you do a simple systemctl start "service" and that's it and if you keep it and you need it at the start of your system, a systemctl enable "service".

    Then nothing new arrives on the desktop but it is interesting, because you can choose the one you want and install it, with the programs you want and all that without unnecessary packages coming pre-installed (this with a debian netinstall is done the same but the basic core of the system is already bigger in itself).

    You have been using the command console for two weeks without stopping, you need a substitute for debian synaptic, you find it and you end up not using it (pacman absorbs us all with its simplicity, by the way, by simply going through the arch wiki and searching for pacman they already tell you which package to use to paint the output in the package searches), anyway you don't miss debian (except that a "dangerous" update (one of those that ends up appearing on the main screen of the arch page) It makes you explode the system, ai you miss Debian, but you don't come back, you start the adventure again as if a "Try Again" of some game was involved).

    A few months later you no longer remember debian at all everything works the command line makes you fall in love more every day and in the end something strange happens, instead of recommending your beloved distribution to newbies what you recommend in debian, ubuntu, elementary you, ... but not arch, because you think that it is not useful for them that it is something that you arrive at on your own foot and you do not want them to hate linux because arch ... is arch (it is like the girl who makes you silly and only you), you don't want me to ask you at all times how everything is done and less than when you put in the searches the tag «archlinux» you get a thousand question forums from people who seem to come out of Ubuntu (don't take it to me bad but in linux they are the "newbies" of the world, with all the respect in the world that there are those who teach me at all hours). Nice paradox that happens but it is true.

    One day you are with your perfect system working perfectly (even those laptop touch buttons that no one else made go, or if they did they did not share it) and you take it and think ... «it's time to format and start over to prevent the system He is full of my mistakes », a simple desire to improve.

    Mmmmm… .. this takes me a little longer…. I hope someone reads it ...

    But nothing has changed, you take installs from scratch, as grub is not pretty and people do not enter linux through their eyes just to see that you test (the twin of the name backwards) burg, you like it but its 0.1 seconds longer than it takes to start They make you wonder if you're not going backwards

    You configure the energy saving and until your laptop, which according to the manufacturer the battery lasts six hours, it does not last nine hours, you do not stop, it is not well configured…. And finally you are in love for life, you just need the pu **** ro photoshop to have a version for linux (who says photoshop says solidworks or similar) because lightroom fell a long time ago, first from the hands of aftershot pro and after darktable .

    To end…. is to enter not to leave…. Arch hijacks linuxers and doesn't let them escape

    1.    elav said

      Hehehe .. good story .. I read it complete 😛

      1.    freebsdick said

        I also read it jhahahahaha

    2.    davidlg said

      I totally agree with you,
      I am in love with PACMAN (yes, in capital letters because they are bigger words, at least for me), I think that whoever knows pacman misses him if he leaves Arch
      #pacman -Syyu [—-C ooo]

      It is also quite robust and it does not break so easy no matter how much they say, there is always some radical change that is, but that is what the wiki and the forums are for.

      The learning curve is very big, what you invest in Arch I think that with it you know a little more at least how it works in Arch,
      In my opinion "call me crazy or something worse" (I'm not an Arch radical since Debian uses it too), but it is a distro that should be passed on by all of us who use Linux, it is a natural leap for many users who use distros "Out of the box" or whatever you say, I also think it's not for everyone, and if you want to try Arch, a distro that is the most similar is ArchBang, and another like Manjaro that is less aggressive since they test them.

      Well I'm going to say Arch-linux I love it, I hope I haven't bored you and that nobody gets angry, it's my opinion now, it may be that in a year I will change my mind, you never know

    3.    x11tete11x said

      I ran away hee

    4.    ariki said

      Very good story, for my archlinux it is passion and hate! greetings Ariki

    5.    Martin said

      One of those dangerous updates broke my HTPC; It was the first time that I installed arch (and the only time so far), I thought innocently that a well configured arch was something that was done once and you forget about it: yes, with the advantage of only updating to always get The last thing, it was not like that, now I put a debian on it, I hope I have it for a long time without putting my hand on it. It's something that just surprised me, but hey, experience counts, and maybe on my laptop I'll give him the opportunity one day.

    6.    joakoej said

      I am a new user and it is difficult for me, I could make the basic things work, everything works really well (suspension, tocuhpad, etc), but the networkmanager collides with the wifi-menu or something like that, so I could not activate it, and I can't run KDE, I don't know why, but I can run other desktops, although Mate has a bug with the brightness control that shows you a gray square with nothing instead of the progress bar of the brightness going up or down.
      Otherwise everything works, but those errors make me a little freaked out.

  2.   medina07 said

    You will say: # pacman -Syu

    In my opinion Arch Linux was created for its own developers ... XD
    (referring to your concern as to why they don't adopt a simpler installation system.

    Thank you, this is the type of post I like.

    1.    elav said

      If you're right, it's # pacman -Syu

  3.   KZKG ^ Gaara said

    That that ... let's see how long it lasts. For my part, I'm tempted to go back to Arch but… I've gotten too used to my super stability on Debian, I have everything where I want it and I don't have to configure anything else anymore. As much as they say that Arch is stable (which it can be), the memories still come back to me that after updating with a simple pacman -Syu ... there the kernel did not work (none), I had to reinstall, etc. etc.

    For now, I'd better stick with Debian, I'm doing great ... zero scares, zero errors, zero stress, it allows me to sit down and work without worries 😀

    1.    elav said

      Is that versionitis…. you know. Having the latest version of KDE and any package ... a Kernel with improvements ... that attracts a lot. 😀

      1.    KZKG ^ Gaara said

        Yes yes if I do not tell you no, the latest version of KDE and the latest Kernel ... great would be to have it but, I consider that the problems or what I sacrifice when using Arch (personal opinion) currently is too much, I need to sit down and not find myself with a new bash error, with the kernel being corrupted or something like that ... I need to sit down and work, that time as you well know is almost not enough for me at all.

        Maybe one day I'll go back to Arch (on a desktop or something like that) ... I don't know, I'll see 🙂

        1.    diazepam said

          Who would have thought. Elav and KZKG ^ Gaara exchanging distros.

        2.    rots87 said

          You know all the time I've been with Arch (1 year nothing more) all the things that have happened to me I have sought them for not reading. the last two problems I had were

          1- The change to links of the bin folders I think and others (I fixed it according to wiki)
          2- the grub update (this was recent) I fixed it by doing a pacman -Syu -force because I already knew what packages they were

          and nothing else is really nothing to write home about so I recommend it. It is a good distro and well from time to time they make changes to the filesystem that you have to go read why it is not updated but in general the solution is easier than you can expect lol

          1.    tarkin88 said

            Could you tell me how you have solved it? I reinstalled today, as always, and when rebooting: Boom!
            error: file '/boot/grub2/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found
            Entering rescue mode...
            grub rescue>

            As long as I've reinstalled Arch on the same machine I've never had to do anything other than: grub-install /dev/sda > _ <and I can't find a solution, I'd appreciate some help.

          2.    rots87 said

            do you have partitioned disk in dual boot or is it only dedicated to linux?

          3.    Felipe said

            using debian after using arch is like going back in time.

            @ tarkin88: if you have other distros installed use their grub and you will have no problems.

    2.    medina07 said

      I can tell you that I have been using Arch Linux for years, first I had it in dual boot with OS X then I built a PC just for Arch and so far zero problems, besides that I always use to read the news first from their website before performing the update so as not to be incautious.

      I believe that each system is stable to the extent of the user's responsibility.

      1.    satan AG said

        Hello, medina07, it is precisely part of what KZKG ^ Gaara says, sometimes you don't have the time to read and then update. I like Arch's philosophy but I just don't have the time or intention to "battle" a distro. Perhaps, before working and having a family, I could have done it and yet I didn't, especially now.

        In any case, I recognize Arch as a fabulous distro and much loved by its users.

    3.    Angel_Le_Blanc said

      With the stable kernel I shouldn't pass that on to you, right?
      Because we insist on having the latest Linux

  4.   Gregory Swords said

    ArchLinux Rules!!!

  5.   Garbage_Killer said

    time to force use Arch again: p

    On the other hand, it is more practical for me to use the systemctl to change the services of the login manager, thank fedora and his father, red hat.

  6.   Rayonant said

    And once again Elav returns to Arch, although this time with KDE, let's see if this time it lasts! in the end you are a Debianite with versionitis, yours would be to use SID xD.

  7.   FreeBSDDICK. said

    I don't frankly know what you mean when you ask why arch linux doesn't have a simple installer. With the installer you will have just enough and necessary to carry out that task .. on the other hand if you refer to the issue of ease of use Arch has an easy and well documented installer.

    1.    rots87 said

      We must accept that for a normal user (or novice) the arch installer is an astrality, although there are things very well documented and in itself it is easy to install it by console, a GUI is needed to install it and bring more people to the arch side.

      1.    Angel_Le_Blanc said

        I think Arch's purpose is lost, if those people are not willing to install Arch like this, they won't be willing to read before updating, follow those instructions. And they will not have patience when a problem arises to continue using Arch. That is why there is Manjaro, and Antergos but I have not used that last one.

        1.    rots87 said

          you're right in that ... arch is not a distro for a novice user ... but before it had a GUI that despite being simple was very useful

      2.    freebsdick said

        nahh ... that is not required .. what is required is that the system does better in terms of structure ... if you still consider what you say then you do not know the fundamental objective of Arch

    2.    vicky said

      I don't like the new arch installer (the old one seemed better). The most advisable thing is to install arch in a virtual machine and read the partitions very well, how to connect to the internet and the grub before.

      1.    tarkin88 said

        For newcomers or for those who enjoyed a "step by step" installer like the previous one, I recommend using this script, which is under constant development and in my opinion already very functional.
        https://github.com/helmuthdu/aui
        and its use is summarized in:

        pacman -Syu
        pacman -S git
        git clone git://github.com/helmuthdu/aui
        cd /aui
        ./ais

        And go following the steps. :3

        1.    just-another-dl-user said

          Great!
          To favorites. I remember when I installed Arch I spent like 2 weeks struggling to get everything to work properly.

  8.   eliotime3000 said

    They already encouraged me to give this distro a taste, since I saw in their wiki that they have a very detailed manual about its installation at the end of GNU nano and the occasional command. Also, I hope pacman looks a lot like apt-get and the AUR is great. See if the folks at AUR can help you fix Iceweasel's Spanish language pack so I can use it (or else I'll use Parabola GNU / Linux-libre repos to temporarily fix that problem.

    If they made an installer that had the same OpenBSD style, it would be the best, since it shows you what programs are needed to configure the system and the recommended options.

    I tried Slackware 14 and it seemed like the coolest thing within the KISS philosophy without making it difficult for newbies, and the Slackware console is the coolest I've seen so far (as soon as you run it, it tells you jokes, it puts sayings to reflect on , the slackpkg helps you when you are about to screw up, and a long etcetera).

    1.    rots87 said

      archlinux is the best although I want to try slalk but I still have not mastered my fear but I do not know how to install things lol to install I recommend 2 very good guides which is the one I have relied on hundreds of times.

      1- the first is Gespadas, useful, simple and consists of the best.
      2- and this one quite good too: http://redactalo.com/gnulinux-27/guia-de-arch-linux-%28tutorial-de-instalacion-configuracion-etc%29-%282013%29/

      any installation problems (rare but possible) just take a look at the wiki hehehe

      1.    eliotime3000 said

        Here's the Slackware 14 installation guide - nothing fancy, besides being easier to install than Arch:

        https://blog.desdelinux.net/slackware-14-guia-de-instalacion-2/

        And if you want to give it the final touch so that it is just as functional, follow the steps:

        https://blog.desdelinux.net/que-hacer-despues-de-instalar-slackware-14/

        In itself it is not complicated, but if you want, you install the slapt-get so that you install the packages with dependencies.

        I already got a love for Slackware for its very easy to use KISS installer. But in Arch, you would have to have some time to be able to follow the steps of the wiki to the letter so as not to die trying. What's more, if we add the slackbuilds repo >> https://blog.desdelinux.net/slackware-sbopkg-y-los-slackbuilds-instala-paquetes-facilmente/ << with those of slacky.eu, the combination is perfect for you.

        Slackware itself is the KISS distro that I've gotten along with from the start. I hope to install it on a real machine so that I can take advantage of it as I am doing with my Debian.

  9.   vicky said

    The best and worst thing about Arch is its community. This is very large and participatory but some users may be snobbish.

    1.    cat said

      +1, some are obnoxious

  10.   aleqwerty said

    Good blog, personally with KDE the first thing I do is disable all Nepomuk indexing and other herbs ... The difference is remarkable.

    1.    izzyvp said

      Those KDE herbs are the ones that currently have me in chakra, it is that once you get used to the semantic desktop or whoever takes away from you, that if with virtuoso eating 300 MiB of ram.

  11.   st0rmt4il said

    I think you will go back to your Debian if the versionitis does not leave you still and you sit down at once in one of the many distros that you have tried.

    Once I saw a comment, I do not remember if it was because of the many blogs that I frequent to read news and views of the authors but there was a user who said something similar to this:

    "Not focusing on a single product and as long as there are alternatives Linux will remain fragmented .."

    Keep enjoying your Arch, I feel comfortable in Debian and in the new Fedora 😀 well, for tastes, the colors 😉

    Regards!

    1.    cat said

      versionitis is good up to a point, sometimes after an update the whole system or some customizations get screwed up, once I used a rolling one and it's one of those experiences that you don't want to repeat.

      1.    eliotime3000 said

        For now, I am not even dreaming of installing Arch Linux on my real machine. I am already comfortable with Slackware and Debian.

        1.    cat said

          For me, the less I have to spend configuring things, the better, that is why (among other things) I stopped chasing mice to chase birds, LXDE comes practically ready to use, since it has volume control and in a "pure" state it looks better aesthetically than XFCE, plus it reminds me slightly of Windows XP, my favorite OS.

  12.   vicky said

    Now that you are in arch you can try sddm 😉 (I think I had recommended it to you sometime and you couldn't install it on Debian if I remember correctly)

    yaourt sddm-git kcm-sddm-git

  13.   Alexander said

    I'm happy with Arch or compared to debain how much packages, the truth was that my jump I liked I had everything with Arch but everything can be solved from one to another update makes it difficult and leaves you without system. In debian what belongs to him is his stability if you like that is the best. For this reason each of its things but I like more arch in terms of the installation hahaha at least it looks different also should when I used it had two options one gui and another cli, in case I liked the lci more hahaha.
    Arch has its charm but it is not for everyone, not even for all a person's pc. Laptop preferred debian ubuntu desktop I prefer arch but as I said there are tastes of tastes.

  14.   xpt said

    Apt-get can also be installed on Archlinux, but personally I prefer pacman

    1.    freebsdick said

      Well, although it is available in the repo I doubt very much that users tend to make extensive use of that package manager

  15.   Miguel said

    ArchLinux did not install it but they told me that it is an excellent distro —-

    1.    freebsdick said

      I imagine that you have not installed it because the garca xDDDDD logo appears

  16.   just-another-dl-user said

    Lately I have had a problem with my Arch Linux.
    Every time I suspend my laptop, there is no problem, but when I restore it from suspension, I have the problem that when I click on a program icon or open a folder, nothing happens, no window opens. but I can easily navigate the XFCE menu or right click on the desktop and see the menus.
    But no window opens for me, it is as if the Window Manager freezes.

    Someone has been the same? any solution?
    The same thing happened to me as 6 months ago and I could not find a solution, I had to resort to formatting and installing my Arch from scratch. Now lately the problem is coming back again.

  17.   Leper_Ivan said

    Well, the truth is that Arch grabs you with his ways. The installation is not complicated at all if you have a more or less clear idea of ​​how to manage the partitions, how to partition with cfdisk.
    Pacman and Yaourt is everything a person could want .. I have all the packages at my fingertips, and that's great.
    As for the "classified" output of the packages, if you change Yaourt for Pacman, it shows you in different colors the repository from which the package comes.
    ArchLinux is stable as long as you read, and that you don't just do things. I have never had major problems when updating and that keeps me calm. I have only re-installed twice since using ArchLinux. The first was the one that taught me that before making modifications to the system, I must backs up the files that I will play. And the second was because he was bored, yes, believe it or not ...

  18.   Iyan said

    If you want a very easy to install distribution with the best Archlinux features, try Chakra. It's the one that I recommend to people who are new to Linux and love it. Still a few days ago a friend changed from Windows 8 to Chakra and says that he does not use Windows again in his life ...

    @David Great story! I have felt identified in everything you have said! hehe But by God, "going" not "going", it hurt a lot after such a well told story. 😉

    A greeting!

  19.   peterczech said

    I am a Debian and Fedora user and I already gave you some Elav advice. If you are versiontitis but you are a lover of stability, use FEDORA with KDE: D.

    Look .. You will have packages to the last but without running the risk that something breaks. At this moment my Fedora 19 has a 3.9.9 kernel and a KDE 4.10.4 and all the packages always updated to the latest so we can talk about a proven and safe rolling: D. Please note that KDE on Fedora is constantly updated to the new version no later than one month after release (speaking of KDE).

    Moving to the next version of Fedora is within the scope of fedup-cli –network so I don't care about support. Finally, let's not forget the new version of RHEL / CentOS 7, which many of us hope that I suffer from it is much better than Debian (don't be offended, but that's the way it is 🙂).

    1.    sieg84 said

      +1

    2.    eliotime3000 said

      I agree with you, @petercheco. What's more, I have tried Slackware 14 and by taking a little read of the Slackbook, and following the installer in easy mode (cfdisk is not such a big deal as to say that it is a complex process), it installed me with the KDE desktop faster than ever I had driven in my life until now.

      What I like most of all about Slackware is its unique and entertaining console, which really seduced me with its jokes, sayings, phrases to reflect on and with the "You got a mail" that appears when I log in in TTY mode. It's really a genius of a distro, and if you really want a real challenge, then build your own distro in the purest Linux From Scratch style, add the package manager that you like the most, customize it to the tastes you want and voila: distro authentically personal.

      In the meantime, I'll be downloading Arch's core mode to emulate it in my VirtualBox that I have installed on my Debian Wheezy, as well as looking forward to RHEL / CentOS 7, which I hope has an updater that resembles Fedora.

  20.   Dante Mdz. said

    I should definitely try Arch Linux.

  21.   Yoyo said

    I'm on the simple side of Arch, I mean, in Manjaro, an Arch Linux for human beings hehehe

    Well, now I'm on OS X, but it is that I have spent a while ago, for most of the day I have been in Manjaro Xfce 😛

    Manjaro Rules !!!

    1.    Angel_Le_Blanc said

      Hehe, I'm going to download the sound of the Ubuntu login and I'm going to put it on Manjaro, every time I started Manjaro I'm going to cause myself thanks XD

    2.    eliotime3000 said

      Let's see if I come across a frozen version of Arch, because I have had bad experiences being very on the razor's edge.

      In the meantime, I'll be enjoying my VirtualBox with my Slackware 14 with XFCE, which is great (install the slapt-get through slackpkg so you don't have problems with dependencies).

  22.   Wisp said

    The Bridge Linux installer has everything that the old Arch installer had, plus the plus of running a startup script that updates packages, solves any little system-breaking joke that hyperactive developers of Arch and has Packer as an alternative package manager to Yaourt and Pacman (though it installs anyway). Bridge is not so Manjaro (Arch's "Ubuntu") but it is almost "out of the box" like 10 minutes configuring after 20 minutes installing to have it running without problems in half an hour (http://millertechnologies.net).

  23.   Keopety said

    archlinux, as far as the commands are concerned, is the best distro I have tried so far, being very new to linux after racking with other distros and not adjusting well to my liking I have ignorance, it was the one I felt the best with From the first hour, I assimilated everything very quickly and it served me a very complete learning, with respect to other distributions, a greeting

  24.   Hades said

    Windows users pretending to test linux, running away in 3, 2, 1 …… ..

    1.    freebsdick said

      I think you made the wrong blog ... there is already a website for trolling on linux

  25.   From norway said

    Both Manjaro and Antergos are very good alternatives for those looking for the ease of Linuxmint and the robustness of Arch

  26.   RAW-Basic said

    Since everyone tells of their experiences with Arch .. ..why not go through with mine ..

    Until less than a year ago, I was a typical W $ user .. ..my first contact with GNU-Linux, came from the hand of seeing a stripped Debian, without gui, or anything .. ..I got interested and went to try my luck on both my desktop computer and the netbook..on both I put LinuxMint..the first with Cinnamon, the other with Mate .. .. I had fun, I learned, I customized at ease .. and I started wanting to learn more. .and get the most out of my machines, that they are fast, that they feel totally personalized for me .. ..and that's how I met ArchLinux ..

    They treat her as if she were an outcast only for people who are experts in this world .. ..after taking a few notes, and rereading the installation guide a few times .. I started attacking my netbook .. ..and I loved it! .. ... soon I had my Arch..peeled, but functional..I connected it with the cute OpenBox .. ..more charms..more customization..configurations to do everywhere .. ..I went to have only ArchLinux in both machines in 2 weeks..as the only system .. ..and here I am..with the same installation .. ..without any problem (except the typical ones for an ATI board ..) .. without crashes, and everything I know It occurs to me to do .. it can be done with just a little reading .. ..work, study, play .. everything on my machines with ArchLinux .. and here I stay .. comfortable .. quiet .. .. and helping whoever can .. ..that the community gives you .. want to participate and help each other .. 😉

  27.   Germaine said

    In truth, everyone tries until they find "the last of the shoe."
    There are restless people, some very young and others not so young; and suddenly with some extra help (the U., a friend, a teacher, etc.) but for me I live in a very small city where 99.9% use Windows and when one asks them if they have tried or know Linux they believe What is a brand of food, or when in a computer store, I ask them about a MAC, they have no idea what it is about, (I have to tell them the story) it has been difficult for me… but Googling I have learned.
    A year ago I jumped to Linux, more out of curiosity and boring with Windows. I was testing how much distribution they considered as the best and most stable, (around 30) I lowered it, installed it and gave myself blows and frustrations when after a lot of struggling, it did not work, it crashed or did not find anything ...
    Then the desktop issue ... I loved KDE (and they don't take me out of it anymore), then I tried Mint KDE, (it helped me a lot), Netrunner (it's not very stable), Chakra (very nice), OpenSuse (I liked it) Sabanyon, Mageia, etc ... and I ended up hosting Kubuntu (I'm on 13.04 64 bit) because of the repositories and the ease of installing the .deb
    So I congratulate those who make it a bit difficult with the Pacman, Yum, and others; I have stayed with the «sudo apt-get ...» and when I wanted to learn the other ways of working with the terminal, I reached a point where I was missing instructions or I was without any help, so I go the easy way, where I find a lot of virtual help, because physical… There isn't.