First was PCManFM the one who carried Qt and apparently the developers of LXDE They liked this framework because they just presented us LXDE-Qt.
Using the words in the LXDE blog post, at the bottom of the screen you can see lxpanel-qt, the Qt port of xpanel which works, but needs a bit more polishing. Also, there are no graphical configuration tools to configure it, so we will have to manually touch an xml file. Most of the main applets already work.
You can also see in the image PCManFM-Qt, which looks very similar to the original Gtk + version. Wallpaper and desktop icons are also managed by PCManFM-Qt.
They also tell us in the blog that the use of the memory of PCManFM-Qt it is slightly higher than that of the 2 GTK + version, but the difference is not very significant. Overall performance is similar to the original Gtk + 2 version. Now that it has most of the features of the original and is almost ready for daily use.
On the right side of the screen you can see LxImage-Qt, which is considered the successor of GPicView as it works much better and is faster.
Unfortunately all this that they have been able to appreciate is only found in the LXDE Git repositories, but they tell us that this is not just an experiment, LXDE-Qt it will be a reality.
Performance
As we are told in the original article, the migration to Qt will cause a slight increase in memory usage compared to the Gtk2 version, but the migration to GTK + 3 also causes a similar increase in resource usage.
As Gtk2 is no longer supported by its creator, and is now deprecated, migrating to Qt is not a bad idea at the moment. Also, the slightly higher memory usage is still acceptable for most existing machines.
The use of real resources can differ a lot between different Linux distributions - we are told in the entry -, for example, those based on Ubuntu Running LXDE tends to use more memory than those based on Archlinux.
You can read more about it at this link.
I like the idea of an LXDE-Qt, I suppose we will have to wait a little longer for the transition to be fully mature to test.
I think LXDE was invented as a lighter alternative to Gnome and KDE. But it would be necessary to see to what extent consumption is almost the same with the GTK + version. The idea attracts me .. I hope soon to be able to try it for myself.
My wet dream come true. If they sell it, I'll buy them, if I'm leaving the little mouse.
+1
Poor XFCE, he's going to be alone …… ..very lonely.
The one who is going to stay alone is a gnome
Well, I'm already compiling everything to test it.
I'll say how it goes, since Elav was ahead of me by posting it. How someone does a review before me on this blog ¬¬
Don't challenge me xD
I KILL YOU NANO.
At the moment I have it stopped, it does not compile the latest revision of libfm and I need it for pcmanfm-qt (and therefore libfm-qt), Lxpanel-qt and lximage
It compiled me. The archlinux pkgbuild works.
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/li/libfm-git/PKGBUILD
Do not worry .. whoever wants to overtake I pass the scythe ..
I do not get it.
If the performance is the same or slightly higher ...
What's the point? After all, most of the applications are made in GTK.
The problem is GTK2 which is discontinued.
On the blog they agree:
GTK2 is discontinued, and therefore will no longer be supported.
From what I've seen so far they use Qt4.
Performance is slightly higher .. But Gtk2 is no longer supported, so Qt is a good option, which is under constant development.
Well, with the majority of users using Qt (Unity, KDE, LXDE) more Qt applications will come out, that trend will change. And, anyway, you can use Gtk without problems ... I use Firefox, LibreOffice and some more in KDE and nothing has happened to me.
The chakra libreoffice has no GTK dependencies
I know, but I don't use Chakra.
I used it a while ago and, if things haven't changed, even if they don't have GTK dependencies, the visual integration is poor. The messages that are shown when you leave the cursor on a button could not be read because they are black letters on very dark gray ... Yes, I could change the background but it is still a problem.
Come on, in practice that does not suppose any improvement. If they make a version that uses Qt AND looks like such, then it would be something else.
What happens is that gtk2 is discontinued. It is true that gtk2 is lighter than qt but Gtk3 does not have a better performance than qt4 or qt5, and since you will have to do the migration anyway and that there are compatibility problems between the different versions of gtk3, I think that those of lxde are not going to be the only ones going to go from gtk2 to qt (if I remember correctly openshot was also being ported to qt5)
Likewise the last one I tried pcmanfm-qt and lximage-qt needed as a dependency to gtk2 (for libfm) if they still need it it would not be a pure qt desktop.
It made my mouth water. Yes I'm leaving the rodent for this.
Another thing, wouldn't it be nice if you join forces with RazorQT?
The 2 point to the same field. Although Razor is already too advanced to be dropped by LXDE-QT.
It seems spectacular to me, perhaps yes, joining forces with razor-qt or well, following their separate path but sharing applications such as PC-manfm and their development, in the long run is a matter for everyone ... the truth is that how this becomes real and Lubuntu took it, I will have more footing to use a netbook and not have to spend tons on a notebook (which here are super inflated).
Reasons to change? jojo How many not? You have to see how these gentlemen advance and see how far they get!
Sounds promising 😀
GTK-rules
BEEEEEPPPP… troll detected! … LOL!
It reminded me a bit of what KDE 3.1 was
Maybe over time LXDE will end up being what KDE 3.5 was, a very complete desktop.
using lxde-qt would be similar to using razor-qt right?
And why not join Razor? both use OpenBox, both in qt and both make a simple and very lightweight desktop
Don't believe it, Razor-Qt consumes around 230 / 250Mb in the tests I did after compiling it. I don't know how much it will consume now.
When I compile LXDE-Qt I make a comparison of both for the review
What window manager did you use ?, because Kwin is the one that is out of tune in a light environment.
Well, with the one you use by default (Openbox if I remember correctly) and with Fluxbox
I also speak of compiled with all its components and quite green versions.
Anyway, as I already mentioned, I will make a comparison between both and the original LXDE.
I managed to run Razor with 120 Mb of startup memory. What I did was use sddm instead of kdm.
The lxinput and lxrandr applications are also in qt. They are found in the chakra ccr 😉
Screenshots
lxinput:
http://s8.postimg.org/zbavfb93p/input.png
lxrandr:
http://s11.postimg.org/4tullqscj/monitosettings.png
lximage
http://s22.postimg.org/fvjs6nppd/input4.png
They are almost the same as their gtk versions in appearance.
They look beautiful xD
I enter the crutch like I am lame (?
With this, I want to change XFCE to LXDE, I like Qt better (there are programs that are very nice like VLC) than GTK3 that constantly breaks some mouse issues.
But how did they do it? In QT4? I tell you that it is not developing either.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQwMTI
This first sample looks interesting, I personally love what Razor-QT is and I even use it in Lubuntu ...
As far as I know, LXDE does not intend to leave its development in gtk, so qt would be a variant. Is that so?
On the other hand, does anyone know for sure if there are intentions on the part of those at LXDE to port gtk2 to gtk3?
Greetings.
I don't know for sure, but as they say GTK3 consumes a lot, Qt4 consumes a little more than GTK2, but it is viable for what LXDE was intended, that it can be used in obsolete computers.
I suppose they are doing this port in case they finally see that the most feasible thing is to switch to Qt4.
Anyway, then I search the forum and blog to see if I find something.
Thanks for your answer, Son Link.
Regarding porting LXDE from gtk2 to gtk3, all I have come across is speculation and intent; nothing very precise.
A question that I leave to those who know something from my position as an inexperienced in programming, if ever KDE (I know that it is not the same as qt, but perhaps it serves as a comparison) was lightened when it evolved, can not the same happen with gtk3 , that is, that one day gtk3 will be as light as gtk2 ?, or am I dreaming and being delusional?
Greetings.
As far as I know, LXDE does not intend to leave its development in gtk, so qt would be a variant. Is that so?
On the other hand, does anyone know for sure if there are any intentions on the part of the LXDE team to port the desktop from gtk2 to gtk3? If not, it is a fact that the qt variant would soon be the only really viable one.
Greetings.
Good for LXDE, it was something I was thinking lately, porting LXDE to QT is the best thing to do !!!
A light environment written in qT was missing, although KDE can still "light" xD at quite high levels. My KDE, for example, at the beginning consumes only 192MB and I have a complete environment and with some effects, I am not missing anything xD
I wish XFCE would do the same, but they will port it to gtk3, it hurts 🙁
Poor gnome and gtk ... they are staying alone xD
For me (and for many others surely too) Qt is the future.
I tried LXDE on Debian Stable, and that decision to lean towards QT seemed right (I was tired of seeing VLC as if it were classic Windows).
Anyway, I hope that the QT improves LXDE, and if you want to run GTK + applications correctly with the LXDE-QT, you can apply the GTK + compatibility package for QT.
If it looked bad it's because you didn't apply the theme correctly XD
Unfortunately, on the DVD1 that I installed Debian Wheezy, the VLC came with QT as a dependency, so don't tell me I have misapplied the theme, since Debian automatically configures many dependencies for you and in most cases, it does very well.
@ eliotime3000 Greetings !!!. In the Wheezy repo, even after updating, the version of lxde-common is 0.5.5.6, and it is reflected:
* Good-looking, GTK + 2 internationalized user interface.
I ask you if they changed to Qt4 in any later
More information about it:
1) This version of LXDE uses QT 4, and it will wait for QT 5.1 to arrive. Says 5 removed a few apis related to X11
2) There is already some cooperation with Razor-qt. More information in this google group
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!forum/razor-qt
@diazepan, @Son Link, @elav, I leave you the last publications of GTK2 and GTK3:
GTK2: Version 2.24.19 - 2013-06-16
GTK 3: Version 3.6.4 - 2013-01-07
Why do you say that GTK2 is discontinued? It is clear that that is what you would like but it is not the reality, many applications are in GTK2 and have no plans to change, so it will still have support for a long time.
As I understand it, Gtk2 still has support but its development is stopped in the sense that hardly any new things are added to it.
Indeed, they are polishing the bugs but without adding anything new.
»It is clear that that what you would like«, haha. That kde is cute does not mean that it is easier or better to use qt libraries. Also now that Py-Side has come out, PyQT will probably be affected, for my part I am not going to use pyside ...
Let's see, I would like them to migrate XFCE to Qt, because I like it better, but that does not mean that GTK is bad, and there are people here who have always had a "hate" for GTK. And for the record, although I like Qt libraries better, the KDE environment detests it, I even find it ugly.
+1 (I like Qt but not KDE)
The default environment may seem ugly to you, but KDE is very configurable. There are very good bespin and qtcurve themes. Bespin is ideal if you like mac style and qtcurve if you like gtk themes or minimalism.
And if it's Plasma, it's not to your liking, you can use BE :: Shell
-Screenshots of BE :: Shell
http://th3r0b.deviantart.com/art/a-screenshot-365407705
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/279/6/6/66f7fc93cd02e8f1bad995e1d20e2e0b-d5gylvw.png
-Qtcurve imitating the elementary style
http://th03.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2012/333/5/8/elementary_qtcurve_1_2_by_lgsalvati-d5idlwi.png
-Qtcurve minimal theme:
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/236/c/b/droid_1_0_by_lgsalvati-d5bmxk2.png
Although it may also be the case that the desktop environment and the experience it gives you is not to your liking and no matter what it looks like it will look ugly. For example, I don't like XFCE (very little exciting for my taste) and Cinnamon (I don't even know why I don't like XD).
off topic
debian 7 wheezy brings kernel pae? Could it be installed on a laptop with an intel "dothan" cpu?
The Pae is brought by most processors, as is the NX, so that problem is solved.
It would be a problem if you installed Slackware on a Foxconn mainboard, curiously, kernel panic throws me when I try to install / emulate that distro on those mainboards.
I don't know if I'm wrong, but I think openbox has gtk2 dependencies, won't there be a lot of preloaded libraries?
But also in terms of consumption they should not worry too much since in the worst case, openbox "peeled" would be used
Openbox does not depend on any toolkit. I compiled it in chakra without gtk installed.
Although pcmanfm depends on libfm it does depend on gtk2 (although I suppose later this will also be ported)
I am pleased that they have chosen to migrate to QT, I hope that with this there will be more developers who help this environment and continue to be characterized by being low in RAM consumption.
Regards!
I love the idea !!, I really recommend a rolling release distribution, so that they have the latest of the latest and with the bugs fixed from previous versions, personally I am climbing so to speak in linux distributions from the easiest to the most difficult, I started with ubuntu, but before there was no manjaro, I recommend it 100% for its very simple way of installing ubuntu type, the change was because ubuntu made me gray because of how slow it is and that you cannot have the last of the last, I am currently using manjaro and my next step will be archlinux, due to time I have not been able to change, but I will.
For those who are angry about Ubuntu, the instability in latpops has been a better delicacy for me, if you want something nice install the KDE graphical interface, or something fast the LXDE graphical interface (Available in GTK or Qt, I recommend Qt).
My last step is to move my hardware to a totally free one, I was looking for a laptop and I found it, this is the address.
sorry my finger went away, here is the address:
http://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop