I just read an article on Phoronix And I'm starting to worry, not because a solution won't be found in the long run, but because manufacturers allow this kind of thing thanks to Don Dinero, as we all know.
Normally to install any distribution of GNU / Linux, most of the users use a USB memory since it is more practical, faster and cheaper.
The problem now is that PCs certified with Windows 8 must comply with the «Fast Boot o Quick Boot », so that the hardware and its configuration start up as quickly as possible using this operating system, but this also means that the USB ports are not started at boot, until Windows fully loads.
Yes, whoever has a CD / DVD reader may not find a problem in all this, but it is that to me, even having this type of hardware, I do not feel like accepting that these things happen. It's not my whim, it's just that I WANT TO INSTALL VIA USB. Point.
But the last straw is, that Windows does allow you to enable all hardware boot at startup as an option, only after you've entered the OS and accepted its EULA. Or that was what I understood from Phoronix article. WTF?
There is a little more talk about the matter in this blog.
I WANT TO INSTALL VIA USB.
Amen!
To write this comment I use Linux Mint from usb because, on the pc it brings Win7
pre installed and, as is common, did not bring a dvd or cd in case it was necessary to reinstall it.
If this is tiresome enough, since I don't have enough experience to
install Linux on disk, I don't want to imagine what it must be like to run into one that has
the blissful proprietary Win8 boot.
Pablo
It is NOT necessary to reinstall Windows, whatever version it is, you simply resize the disk, don't do it.
Spanish Linuxeros, may this serve as evidence for your case against Microsoft
and all because of MS's threats to manufacturers, if MS threatens them to lose their market share.
and all to prevent Linux from continuing to add users.
actually the idea was for people not to downgrade to win7, linux was collateral damage
I agree with your opinion, you just have to check the web and see the absence of offers from Windows 7 computers to understand what is happening ...
I don't care about PCs, I'll take my white MacBook with Linux
WTF? Are you logging in from Safari? desde Linux? how did you do that?
@ just-another-dl-user must be a browser with a webkit like midori or something like that, when it is not known what it is and the user-agent does not get some "chrome" in between, it assumes it as safari
And the worst thing is that many users do not want to realize what is happening….
Microsoft = monopoly. Now I understand why wifiway 3.4 does not work for me on my notebook, I have it installed on a pendrive and I cannot start it from the boot options, those Microsoft scoundrels just want to take advantage of others. Hopefully this problem will be fixed with a BIOS update.
I do not see the problem, I think that if you buy a motherboard, it does not come with Windows. I mean, can you do whatever you want or is this also going to affect motherboards purchased without prior installation of any OS? If so, I also see no problem, I have installed from a USB, but it is more beneficial to me, save my preferred OS on a CD, save it for when I go to test it again. One time it happened to me, that inventing in linux (when I had no experience) I started inventing with the terminal, it turns out that I uninstalled the graphical interface, which was my mistake, as I had been happy with Linux for a while, on the USB that I had the format to use it, when I uninstalled the graphical interface, I realized that it is better to have your DVD with Linux or CD.
It should not affect in principle the computers that you mount.
Thanks for clarifying the doubt. So I do not see any problem, it is clear, that if you buy a laptop with Windows, Windows wants to give priority to his, of course this is not a priority, because in that case there is CD / DVD installation, they are already making Laptops with Linux (Ubuntu) but something is something. If it had been before, if there was cause for complaint, the only option in laptops was to buy laptops with Windows, but now? I do not see the problem.
Where do you sell a laptop with Linux in Uruguay?
That is the issue. Users who prefer Laptops, like me, are the most affected.
you can also buy a laptop without operating system, they are easier to find than those with Linux
The problem is not that windows sells laptops, but that laptop manufacturers sell it to you with windows. It is difficult to find any pioneering brand laptop that comes without windows.
It's all a matter of how you look at it, some might say that these computers are "tuned" for Windows 8, which does not mean that you cannot use all their hardware options with another OS.
From what I understood, that can be deactivated after the first boot or something like that, but then it could be deactivated from windows mhh ..., but hey, that's what happens when you buy windows certified portable computers, I would encourage everyone to buy more pc's without windows, in spain ahtec, outside of spain mountain, dell, hp etc
I do not see a problem, after a Time they will end up removing it as an option, many do not want this type of thing, but for those who repair PC equipment, time will go by it will boom, mocosoft will say, and we did wrong we apologize (I think ) or someone will come up with a miraculous program that allows the installations, and many perhaps, thousands of us will use and not even thank you nor speak of a donation, which almost almost in the world of free software the donation seems demonization and many times not The effort of many programmers to do this type of program is valued, so very simple but without realizing it, that without them we do not go ahead in some projects or they have made life easier for us, everything will return to normal and it will be forgotten, as always ...
They should make an article of everything tooodooo what mocosoft has done and then analyze if end users should continue to use it, and if elav is a whim as Homer Simpson would say ouch.
Microsft's War for the World, and Against whoever does not belong to its World. Simple, right?
I remember that in economics we had a little box with different "personalities" of the companies. Microsoft was among the aggressive companies.
Now that I start to think about it with a less cloudy mind, if you buy a computer with windows 8 pre-installed, then it was someone who accepted the EULA, not you.
Anyway, this is another Microsoft scoundrel
If true. I believe that any computer that comes with Windows pre-installed is ready to use from the first boot and that means that the contract has been accepted. Correct me if not.
Also, at least I have not seen any business that has PC / notebooks in sight without OS or with GNU / Linux pre-installed. and if there are, they must be less powerful than the ones that come with Windows.
I also believe that there is a lot of ignorance in people, mainly those who do not have computer skills. They don't know what an OS is and that there are other options (I even thought, before I knew GNU / Linux, that the PC and the OS came together). And they also take as true or normal that Windows hangs, there are viruses and it is necessary to do a cleaning and optimize it periodically so that it works correctly.
It is unfortunate, but it is so. And so it should be in other areas outside of computing.
What matters to them is not that it is Windows, but that it works and that it can do what users want.
These Microsoft hypocrites that their servers have CentOS and on top of that, they have the recklessness to condition Hardware manufacturers.
Now I understand why Apple doesn't do this kind of stupid thing with their hardware (because obviously they work with Linux on their servers and it would have been a lot better if they worked in conjunction with OpenBSD).
In short, I prefer a thousand times to use Windows Vista with its thousands of bugs on par with Debian Wheezy with GNOME 3 / KDE 4.8 / XFCE / LXDE than Windows 8 with its dictatorial policies and its graphical interface that I really feel sorry for.
nooooo. Windows 7 is much better than Vista.
But at least Windows Vista has IDE mainboard support (feature removed from Windows 7 and 8). In addition, with Windows 7 SP1 I have had more problems with the GUI since many times when I installed something or started working with applications like Photoshop or Dreamweaver, the Windows 7 GUI would crash those programs out of nowhere (and the usual error was AppHang) and suggested you close them (which I rarely experimented with Vista SP2 and at least I already solved most of the problems it has, even Firefox 21 works for me as if it were in Debian or Ubuntu without compromising the GUI).
And for your peace of mind, I'm finishing downloading Debian Wheezy (the DVD1 for convenience)
I'll be honest, I have rarely used Win Vista, but there are problems in Win 7 …… not at all !!!! capable and you didn't install the proper drivers, that's all.
I installed the correct drivers, and the problem persisted (in Windows XP I had no problems with the GUI, that's why I make that clarification).
Well, strange, I have never had any problem in Windows, and as I say I did not use Vista, the fallacy is in Linux and it is not because of the system itself, but rather because of the manufacturers' drivers.
Good thing my mainboard is 100% intel chipset. Otherwise, you would not be downloading Debian Wheezy at the moment (in AMD there are problems in sight, with NVIDIA only their official drivers work and not the free ones).
And a MOBO pcchips can use an Intel chipset, that's not the problem, but hey, the best thing is always to spend a little more money on good components for the work tool, right? And the truth is that with AMD I have not had problems, there when I used an Athlon XP 2800+ with NVidia chipset and Nvidia video too, obviously independent cards.
"... Windows Vista has IDE mainboard support (feature removed from Windows 7 and 8)" ... How do you say? ... Let's try to be a little serious, please ...
@cocolio
I used the 1st generation PC Chips (the one that used the VIA chipset), but at the moment I am using a second-hand HP workstation (not all-in-ones, because those get overheated and bye PCs) with Lentium D already truth be told, performance is better.
So I can breathe easy so I can install Debian Wheezy with GNOME 3.
Terrible!
True, that's why I will never buy a computer with Mocosoft Shit installed, I will buy a computer myself and thus I will make sure I can have Ubuntu installed like you, the Mocosoft OS APESTAN, and those who use them do not realize that they are using a OS of a manipulative company, that all it does is spy on its users with its digital back doors, etc., and also full of viruses so that you have to pay for an antivirus to maintain a mediocre OS that does not happen with Linux (it does not matter flavor / distribution)
regards
As long as I can install linux on servers I don't care about the desktop. Regards.
For my part, I always build my machine with independent parts, keeping in mind the purpose that I am going to give it. Or I buy something that meets those standards. Manufacturers are never interested in linux. I would be concerned if armed web servers came up with this, although I doubt using a usb. I don't care about the desktop, you asked for it.
> / dev / null
Hi, I haven't tested it on windows 8
but I think there is a solution, which also works with computers which do not have support for booting from usb (this if it is tested on both a pentium 3 and pentium 4), it is PloP, you record it on a cd and voila you can boot from usb
Well, it can be a partial solution, I use plop for the opposite case: my pentium 4's DVD recorder got screwed up and I bought a new one that works like a fable but is unable to boot any CD, I start with a floppy disk with plop and in its menu I choose the DVD.
But I say that the solution may be partial, because plop does not boot all types of bootable USB (the computer is 10 years old).
And of course this does not exempt M $ from the villainy that he has done, the last of a long list like the one that prevents other DOS from starting Windows 3.1x or when I boycott access to hotmail from operates by moving the even lines of the screen a few pixels to make it look bad.
I am a fierce defender of free software, I know the ideology in depth, I am also an anarcho socialist, I am very interested in individual freedom and privacy, I am not a person who likes ultra-fascist authoritarian companies that impose their shit without give a damn
With that said, I throw in my most sincere thought:
I hope that google breaks Microsoft's ass well, that they do not fit into an anti-user alliance, and that they stick with sticks. In that fight, obviously, Google would win, which is at least more reasonable and pro-user than Microsoft.
And then Google eats us all alive.
Ehem ehem… .google, defends users only out of interest, it used to be called enlightened egoism, but they are also a multinational like Microsoft, just as capitalist as Apple and others.
I know perfectly.
But if we put microsoft and google on the board
Microsoft is much more coge users than Google
»Individual freedom and privacy» in socialism? hahahaha when in reality everything is collective and they shit on the individuality of the human being !!!!
If I can buy the car, the clothes, the food, the stereo, and a long list of personal things chosen TO MY LIKE, which even Mr. Gates does the same, why do I have to use the operating system that Microsoft wants? Yes, hell, why? This is a VIOLATION of the power of personal selection, taste and use decisions. It goes beyond the flameware between free and private software. It is a decision that, if made firm, would generate enormous international disgust, not to say pissed off or angry… go Cuban. 🙂
Microsoft really wants to take the straw that overflows the glass.
God speak, write without having idea of what they say.
So simple, you enter win 8, deactivate the option and POINT. Now you can boot with USB as before, without having to register, without paying anyone, without ...
Do they really not even tolerate entering Win8 to do this minimal step? If with Arch, gentoo, slackware, debian net, you have to read a whole wiki and spend more than 15 or 30 min trying to configure the system, if it doesn't stay, you have to reinstall or spend hours in forums, googling (either by virtual box or not) and then wait, it has to be nice, with the icons, the wallpaper, the theme, the conky, etc ... and they can't wait 2 to 5 min to do this process in Win8.
Hehehehehehehehe. That is to be a true Linux server that does not support other systems.
The point is why the heck do I have to go into Windows for Microsoft to allow me to make use of the hardware I have purchased?
Very simple, because those are the conditions that hardware manufacturers impose. They have the last word on this, they are not required to use windows.
Excellent answer elav!
Well then build your own pc. If buying factory PCs bothers you because of this factor, don't buy them and that's it. What is the problem?
What win forces you to use their software? or the attempt to?
As long as you can turn it around or get over that annoyance, I don't see a point in complaining. If microsoft succeeded in preventing the use of linux in PC companies, well, yes, it is to bother, but while it is giving you the OPTION to remove it and notifies it officially, even if it did not. Pfff I keep buying my machines and as if nothing.
It's also linux, he's always managed to outwit Win, I don't know what they're complaining about.
kik1n and continue making life more difficult for those who use linux? And so that later they come to say that Linux is for geeks nerds, that it is difficult to use and a large number of disqualifications. When one of the big factors in the difficulty of using linux is windows.
To clarify if you can change the start once you enter windows but if you do that you accept the eula without knowing and without being able to avoid it just to be able to delete windows.
And most importantly, why does the gnu / linux ecosystem have to waste time and resources in skipping the walls that microsoft puts up?
No, you don't need to enter Windows, pressing F2 during the boot, you access the BIOS or UEFI (whatever you want to call it), and deactivate the Fast Boot option and that's it ...
And has that already been proven? In other words, is there any assurance that this is so? Because if I am guided by the original article, it is as if the Fast Boot cannot be disabled from the BIOS.
According to some comments from the original article, IF it is tested, any way, applying the logic, when the computer boots, the BIOS or UEFI needs to check the hardware devices and start them in the state that they should have by default, which in this case is «OFF "Once this is done, the OS is loaded and control is" transferred "to it.
In my opinion what happens is that on boot it is very likely that the option of «.. Press F2. for… or F12 for… »is shown VERY briefly and there is not much time before the OS starts to load to enter the BIOS, much more if these computers are tuned to boot very fast, but I repeat, I can't imagine the technicians without the possibility of accessing the BIOS before loading the OS, it would be something unusual and there would already be a tremendous stir with that.
Yes, it might be something like that. And hopefully it is as logic dictates, and not as I imagine ..
Well, I am afraid that this is the beginning of something worse.
Surely, for next April 1 (Anglo-Saxon April Fool's Day), Dell and HP will fast boot Microsoft servers that use CentOS and leave them unusable until they put Windows Server 2012 on them.
That would be enough to scare Ballmer.
Well, I am imagining a windosero eight user who one day cannot start his laptop without a DVD drive.
That is the idea of the manufacturers, that you buy another one because a virus has entered you (I have known cases).
Let's stop criticizing Ubuntu and criticizing Windows ... (It is not a gem, but it is a thousand times better, both in capacity and freedoms).
Let's stop installing Windows on client machines… Let's install GNU / LINUX.
The world deserves that human beings continue to share and learn with total freedom, stop being treated as slaves and stop accepting stupid contracts.
If it is among the best possible not to buy machines with OS pre-installed with windows.
Well, to begin with, I want to make it very clear that in this matter, unfortunately, I am going to "play by ear" as we say here, that is, I am going to present my considerations based on the information I have, coming from what I have read about the matter, because I have not had the opportunity to have in my hands a computer with Windows 8 pre-installed still virgin, which I think is the same case of the rest of the readers who have commented on this post.
First, the purely technical consideration of the matter: As explained by one of the readers who commented on the original post (http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/24869.html), it is still possible to access the boot menu or directly to the BIOS (UEFI in this case) of the computers and disable the Secure Boot, with which we would have solved the problem of booting from a USB device without having to accept the EULA agreement. I believe that this option will continue to be available on computers with Windows 8 pre-installed, even when it is "hidden" in some way or is shown too briefly in the boot process, as it has been happening for quite some time in most of the branded laptops. If this possibility does not exist, the procedures for the service would be extremely cumbersome, an issue that IS in the hands of the manufacturers and / or their certified agents, so I do not think they willingly accept such atrocity that would harm their interests.
In short, the control of the firmware of the components will ALWAYS be at a primary level (BIOS or UEFI) that can be accessed regardless of the OS, I don't know of a single hardware device whose operation or firmware is determined by the OS; if anyone knows any, please, mention it and so we all learn.
Second, the consideration from the ethical point of view: There is something that Microsoft will always hide behind to protect itself and that is that it is you who decide "freely" to buy a computer with Windows 8 pre-installed; and I put the word in quotation marks, since most of the time, we do it in the absence of alternatives; Come on, either you buy it with Windows 8 or you don't buy any. Of course, I'm talking about laptops, because in the case of traditional PCs, we DO have the DIY alternative, although many do not dare to assume it. At this time, the most affected are not the users of GNU / Linux, but those who want laptops with Windows 7 and are forced to buy computers with Windows 8; Think about it, Linux users are always going to find a way to install our preferred distro, but I don't think we can say the same about Windows "users", most of whom are used to receiving everything well chewed.
In this particular case, if you take the trouble to read the entire original article with all your comments, you will see that beyond other details, everything revolves around the acceptance of the EULA and the implications of the acceptance or rejection of it in United States, including the cases of claim before the courts of the value of the license for not using Windows; For the record, I am not a supporter and much less a defender of Microsoft's monopolistic policies, but I consider this matter as one more nonsense of the many that come to mind and that end up becoming arguments for lawsuits like the one currently underway in Europe .
To finish, let's not storm a glass of water over something that we can solve by pressing a couple of keys at the right moment; Ah! and please excuse me for the comment block, but I could not summarize it further.
I agree with Charlie. Anyone who has used Pirate Windows knows what it is like not to read an EULA and click OK.
Does anyone read the EULAs ??
I remember the one on itunes that more or less gave apple permission to sell your kidneys 😛
I have taken the trouble to read the EULA (EULA) of Microsoft, and the truth is that it is just as Orwellian as that of Apple, Google and others (they always condition their users to be consumers most of the time by obligation and in few times, like most of the Macqueros, by alienation).
Anyway, Microsoft with Ballmer at the helm, has lost a total interest in its customers (whether ordinary or business) and is much more brazen than when Bill Gates was.
Linux friends I don't know what the problem is? just disable secure boot and voila! and if you want to use Windows then do it in a virtual machine, as I do but the other way around, I have Windows 7 and from there I virtualize OS, I don't have to make any more trouble.
What I do not understand is why they rant against Microsoft only, Apple is much worse, since not only does it sell overpriced hardware but it forces you to buy it, in the sense that if you want to use OS X you have to buy one of those designer cans for other horrible and expensive incidentally that OS is based on free software right? anyway.
Returning to the topic of Secure Boot, let's go is the best thing that Microsoft can do to improve the security of its operating system, since many attacks come from that part and thus the "danger of viruses" is reduced (of course, as if it still existed) and It also ends with the excuse of mediocre people with that issue, right? in the viruses.
Many times I see very good articles on this site, but other times like this…. and the comments needless to say.
HEH ... I was waiting for someone to mention the case of Apple, thank goodness that I'm not the only one who thinks that way about the apple company, that for wanting to be "so original" not even the logo is truly his. As for the brought and brought Secure Boot, I do not doubt that it is an advance in terms of security for those who use Windows, but I consider it totally unnecessary if I am going to use GNU / Linux.
What I think has happened with this particular article is that more has been commented on the matter from a "political" point of view, to call it somehow, than on the purely technical question.
It is that apple does not sell operating systems (look at the cost of mountain lion), but rather that apple sells pc's, that is why it will never release the system to third parties, because then they run out of the hardware bargain. Maybe it's worse than Microsoft, but at least they have an intuitive system and they don't do crazy windows8-like things.
Juaaaaa seriously OS X is intuitive? hahahaha Linux is very intuitive in any case, you click on the imitation of the Windows start menu and it is already sorted by categories, games, office automation, internet, etc, instead in that SO blowjob you have to press cmd + shift + a to go To "the applications folder" and pull the filthy icon to the dock ... to change windows of the same program (application within the spree of those mediocre ones) is a headache, and endless things that really make that operating system be a real crap and that your intuitiveness is only the typical pretty icons that nothing else shows.
For the price of OS X in any variant, they fucking should give it away right? WHY IT IS BASED ON BSD !!! therefore it should be free right?
Now I have WIn 8 installed on a C2D 2.1 Ghz 4 laptop in RAM and 512 video and it is a beauty, it is just a little bit of habit, despite the fact that the start button and Aero are very missed that makes the desktop look a lot more beautiful, but good no way.
Unfortunately for the "GNU Witnesses" (since they look like Jehovah's Witnesses when they proclaim their philosophy) and for the fortune of end users, Linux distros such as Mint have managed to reach the common user through a fairly friendly and stable interface ( OSX and Windows Vista SP2 that I use do not like fiascos, they have such unstable GUIs), and also, leave the pass free to know veteran distros like Debian, RHEL / CentOS and / or Slackware and then opt for something more advanced like Arch or Linux From Scratch (that would be the God level, so to speak).
What's more, Apple should be using OpenBSD on its servers and not just GNU / Linux (since obviously OpenBSD is a real bunker compared to Debian), in addition to relying on that BSD distro so that OSX is not an easy target for the trashy malware that has been harassing windowsers for several years.
Ufa !!! say that the graphical interfaces of Microsoft or Apple are a fiasco…. Fuck I think you're kicking air and really hard.
@cocolio
About the interfaces I am not saying it for pleasure, but because I have tried Firefox on Windows, OSX and Debian, and comparing its performance when watching videos on YouTube, I have realized that the way it reacts in Windows is very bad when you use cheap hardware (see PC Chips) and on Mac for the flash player. On GNU / Linux, Firefox runs much faster and the interface is not compromised with the processes that the Gecko rendering engine does.
I do not know, look that this type of hardware is bad, that's why I don't use it, I try to avoid it as much as possible, saving money of course, but look, I already said that I have Win 8 on an HP laptop and it is luxurious, since 2005 I use Firefox and I'm doing fine, with the necessary plugins, the only time it goes to hell is when I'm with an open tab on Facebook, nothing else, which makes me mad, but for now I even watch YouTube documentaries without problems, and if you have to admit that Linux works better.
My previous PC was a XNUMXst Gen PC Chips, and I put Debian Squeeze on it and it had superior performance compared to Windows XP. Now that I am with an HP workstation with Lentium D and from what I see, in Vista it has a better performance, but in the GUI it is the one that suffers more than the kernel.
You have not used osx in your life ..., to go to applications, click on the launchpad icon on the dock or return to put the applications folder on the blog. Windows 8 is the worst thing that microsoft has done since millennium, interface for retards, horrible modern UI programs, without functions and practically none are useful, the desktop has been loaded with aergo glass making the applications look even uglier than they were …, but anyway. Get on with that crap.
Juaaaaa hahahaha sisisi of course Pandev, the OS x garbage is the ostia hahaha sisisisi, what shows is that in your life you have used Win 8, there is a long way to go, it is true I do not deny it, but what I see is on the right track, I I would have made other changes but anyway, and just in case I have Win 8 installed where the disgusting Mac OS X used to be, what a more MAriCa name for an OS, and I don't regret having deleted it.
I have used OSX and the truth seems to me that it is much more usable than the Modern UI of Windows 8 (as for the NT 6.3 kernel, its backward compatibility has been gradually degrading but it has become much more stable), and it is not as Its interface is bad, only you don't have to saturate it so much with websites that depend on flash player (since the launchpad was implemented in OSX, the truth is that the work of opening a program in that operating system has become more sedentary).
As for the Aero, Microsoft committed the bullshit of using DirectX instead of OpenGL for transparencies and 3D (the requirements in Vista are almost the same as those of Windows 7, what differentiates them is the performance and stability they have) and in Windows 8 they have increased the trolling with a "necessary" requirement for video cards that was really unnecessary that until now I have forgotten what it was (I do not understand why the Modern UI interface has the same requirements of Aero, if in fact your graphics should be consuming less than Aero was consuming).
I don't know about you, but I'm using an operating system fiasco (Windows Vista Ultimate SP2, 32-bit) just like you are using Mac OS X (Mountain Lion's cost is absolutely lower than Redmond's operating system, its license costs a fortune ).
Although OS X likes its graphical interface (Aqua), it has had certain shortcomings when working with the flash player and in terms of permissions, it is much more permissive than Ubuntu (you copy the folder of the app to copy that It looks like an executable thanks to its hardware abstraction layer that you use and paste it on your Mac in the same applications folder, and you already have Photoshop, Illustrator and all the fully functional Adobe software, which is not the case with Windows). Now, the fact that I use Windows Vista does not mean that I use it for daily use, since I installed it to avoid running out of the extended support time like XP and in terms of programming, I use Debian (yes, I admit that I use proprietary software because they are just teaching me to create websites with Dreamweaver and make vector graphics with CorelDraw, but in programming I use Eclipse for Java and C ++, I usually use Emacs in Debian).
In addition, the free software movement compared to the open source movement is increasingly stagnant, proof of this are GNOME, gnash and other software oriented to the common user.
Of course it is lower, since they practically charge you a symbolic price, apple sells hardware more than anything, so people cannot understand that they will never distribute the system to other manufacturers .., STILL nothing that cannot be done by installing it on a common pc modified to be compatible (buying the system if possible in the appstore ..., they are 20 euros xd)
Symbolic price? hahahaha for ordinary hardware on a PC without taste and poor design? hahahaha overpriced by the way, compare the price of an HP with i7 of 2.7 ghz 16 of RAM 1 tera of hard disk or 32 of ssd, 2 gigs in discrete video NVidia full HD screen against a Mac that costs at least 800 dollars more and with 8 in RAM 1 giga in video, you have to be very animal to buy that crap and even more to install Linux !!!!!
@cocolio
Ubuntu has an absolutely superior performance than OSX itself, but if what you want is to use a real laptop, I recommend using Lenovo ThinkPads that can cost the same as a MacBook pro, but in itself their quality is completely superior to MacBooks already any laptop, even ultrabooks (they don't promise, they just deliver).
And yes, the Lenovo are very good, but I already have two HP laptops and for now it is not in my plans to buy a laptop again, the only thing I am going to do is upgrade the hard drives to SSD. obviously for the system.
I read and read the article and I don't see that it says anything about Secure Boot. What they indicate is a trick more than M $ in which the access to USB boot can only be activated from Windows and not from the BIOS. So you have to use Windows at least once to be able to activate USB access at boot and then reboot to get Linux on USB working. And, as elav said before, why the hell do I have to enter Windows to do that ??? That is the point. They force you to ask Micro $ oft for permission to use hardware you BUY in any way you want.
Giskard, when Fast Boot mode is active, the USB ports are disabled by default, but if you enter the BIOS or UEFI and disable Fast Boot you can enable the USB ports by default, I repeat what I say in my comment: «el control of the firmware of the components will ALWAYS be at a primary level (BIOS or UEFI) that can be accessed regardless of the OS, I don't know of a single hardware device whose operation or firmware is determined by the OS; If anyone knows any, please, mention it and that is how we all learn. "
Please, you are not obliged to enter Windows or accept any EULA, what you have to do is press F2 or the corresponding key at the time the computer boots and access the happy BIOS and make the necessary changes.
That is not what the article says.
Have you already read the original article (http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/24869.html) and ALL your comments?
Let's see, I meant, "this is not what THIS article says." I didn't read the other one. If I read the other I comment on the other. As I read this one, I comment here. Or is it that to comment on a post, one must read all the others and comment where it does not correspond?
Life is so complicated ...: S
You deactivate the fast-boot from windows and the uefi (bios) and activate the boot from the uefi (bios), the problem is who has to install Windows tablet 8
As elav said before, why the hell do I have to enter Windows to do that ??? That is the point. They force you to ask Micro $ oft for permission to use hardware you BUY in any way you want.
And give him permission, format and send Winbug to fuck his ass, a linux user should never use it
1º Fast boot has nothing to do with Windows 8, we are talking about measures imposed and enabled by default in the firmware of the motherboard by the manufacturers, forced by M $.
2nd You do not have any access to the UEFI or the ability to boot from an alternative boot media. Unless you have learned to communicate with the computer by telepathy, what alternatives would you have to be able to format without first having to go through Windows? Or, gut the computer in the hope of forcing access to the UEFI menu or return it to its factory settings? That would void the equipment warranty.
3º If, by chance, you start Windows to deactivate fast-boot, you lose all possibility of claiming the money for that Windows license that you have neither requested nor do you want but that you have been forced to pay (Something that is technically not legal) , thus throwing between $ 80 and $ 200 directly in the trash.
Well, give it, you're wrong:
1º It is true that manufacturers enable Fast Boot at Microsoft's request to boot Windows 8 faster (hence Fast Boot, right?), Which is one of the “advantages” that they sell us in that OS.
2nd it is NOT true that you cannot access the BIOS or UEFI, this process is totally independent of the OS and happens BEFORE starting to load any OS component, because it is about the initialization and checking of the hardware components of the computer, let's go it is IMPOSSIBLE for an OS to "take over" the BIOS and control it exclusively, since the effect cannot be prior to the cause. What happens is that you have to walk lightly when booting and press F2 or the corresponding key to access it.
3º At this point I grant you the reason, but as far as I know, those claims cost more than the refund that is obtained, so I do not think that it is the chicken of the rice with chicken of this problem.
Fast boot disables the motherboard ports, including PS / 2 and USB. Unless you can communicate telepathically with the PC, you will not be able to use the keyboard until the operating system has started and, therefore, you will also not be able to press the key or combination of keys that give access to the UEFI in order to disable Fast- boot. That's precisely the problem.
The only way to access the UEFI using the relevant key combination, is that either Fast-boot is not enabled or that the manufacturer provides us some other way to disable it or to return the UEFI to its factory settings without using keyboard / mouse, either X presses of the power or reset button or something like that.
and how to format if I don't have a reader (or this is usb) and to boot from the usb first I have to enter windows and disable fastboot.
there are formatters for windows :), which simply reboot themselves and erase the partitions, very simple.
You don't quite understand how the matter is. I recommend that you read the article several times.
Well, nothing, to buy laptops and desktops without Güiondos, completely empty. Too bad a lot of people lack the knowledge to do this, and end up succumbing to the wild marketing of the Redmond folks.
The pity is that many people are afraid to mount a pc, when it is super easy and if you don't know, you can always look at the tutorials on the internet.
The most complicated thing in my opinion is the part of setting the cpu xD fan correctly ...
If it's a desktop, no problem, but have you tried installing a laptop in parts? It can? Do the pieces fit well in the case? Do you sell laptop cases?
Laptop by parts no ... in any case you can buy from manufacturers that make it to measure ... ahtec is one of them ....
By the way, I do not like laptops to have them all day at home, nothing like a cooler and more powerful desktop pc.
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK!
Well I think that now more than ever initiatives like System76 have more value, in which you can buy equipment that comes installed with Ubuntu and you can therefore install other systems or distributions.
I had the same problem, I could not boot with USB or CD / DVD, and I fixed it by disabling "Legacy Mode" from the BIOS, now you can boot with anything.
Amm I don't know if they know ... but at least on my lap with UEFI ... that was an option that could be disabled ... I took some time .. = / but I discovered it ..
It's wrong if .. if it is and what? ..
Complaining does not fix it ..… Having an ethic where .. I feel bad about some laws .. less pre-established ..
Life is rigid by those who have power, not by those who don't = / .. that's why stallman created gnu xD so that that wouldn't happen xD that's why there to buy compatible hardware
The Free Software Foundation was right about how evil Windows 8 is
http://www.fsf.org/windows8
WINDOWS 8 IS PURE DICTATORSHIP !!!
I currently have my laptop for 3 years and it used only GNU / Linux. Although I fear the day that I have to renew my laptop, I hope I do not run into this problem that is threatening many of the Linuxeros.
Too bad the approach is too frivolous. In http://es.windows7sins.org/ it is much more detailed why Windows should stop being used, both technically and politically / socially (it even tells you the truth about the Windows NT kernel).
Every day I care less about the smoke that the FSF, stallman and friends sold us. If you are so afraid of spyware, do not use the Internet or Android phones.
Completely agreed, according to Stallman they all monitor them, they are all "listening" devices hahaha poor man, really seeing him speak is a joke, next time I'll take some popcorn to accompany the fuck, but seriously, until they show With truthful evidence that there is all this "espionage" of all companies, I do not believe anything, there are millions of people in this world to bother to "monitor", anyway.
Also, that the FSF made the biggest vaporware in its history: the GNU Hurd (it is incomplete, hardly used by Debian and there is no real interest in merging it with the Linux kernel as Apple merged the Mach microkernel with an outdated version of FreeBSD) .
Everyone knows that I hate microsoft products but actually I write to see if it detects what I use and what browser 😉
Well I do not see a serious problem with all this.
If I buy a laptop without a cd / dvd reader and it has Windows 8, it would start the system, accept the license and activate the option to start usb at startup. I would delete Windows 8 and install Linux .. Problem solved 🙂
That is why I prefer to send Windows 8 to the devil and put (like trolling) Windows Vista (although I recommend Windows 7 because under its own skin, Vista has excellent performance only on current Alienware).
Anyway, I prefer to use Debian Wheezy before agreeing to shackle my keyboard or mouse.
I do not know in what sense it is shackle but hey, there you, I will install it in VM Debian for a longer time, it will be the first time that I will use it to see what happens, for now it seems exaggerated 3 DVDs I suppose that it will have everything of everything no ? 😉
Just download the dvd 1 😀
Hahahaha well for about two weeks that I already have the three Debian devents and the Fedora ISO, but it is hard to install, well we'll see.
@petercheco you are right. Also, with DVD1 comes the software-center, which is thankfully in the 5th. version and it's great.
after reading almost all the comments there is confusion with the Fast Boot ...
1. IS FAST BOOT THE SAME AS SECURE BOOT?
2. IS BIOS THE SAME AS UEFI?
3. DO I NEED TO ENTER WINBUGS TO DEACTIVATE THE FAST BOOT OR SECURE BOOT?
4. CAN I ENTER THE UEFI OF ANY EQUIPMENT OR DO ANY EQUIPMENT HAVE IT BLOCKED?
5. CAN THE FAST BOOT OR SECURE BOOT BE DISABLED FROM THE UEFI OR BIOS?
1 and 2: No
3: You need to enter winbugs to enable USB boot
4: You can almost always enter the UEFI.
5: Secure Boot is disabled from UEFI. BIOS does not have Secure Boot.
Let's see I answer you as a coherent person.
1.- Obviously not, they are two different characteristics.
2.- BIOS is too old a specification, UEFI is the new firmware used in current PCs, EFI is a specification used by Apple on its Macs, the only difference with a real PC.
3.- Well I suppose that you mean Windows, and no, it is not a mac to which you have to log into it to be able to change the boot parameters, system clock etc and that to install another operating system you have to download a 350-megabyte or more antics as a bootcamp for such a simple task.
4.- As I already said, it is not a Mac, therefore you have to be able to access it to be able to change the date parameters or even overclock, the difference is that these parameters can be changed from the operating system without the need. restart it.
5.- And well that is already clear, IF YOU CAN.
The truth is I don't know why linuxers are raging against Microsoft and its Windows when Apple is a thousand times worse, but a thousand times, when they feed off the GNU world and sell it to them as if it were the big deal, when (in a tone of sarcasm ) of five hundred lines of code of OS X maximum thousand is owned by them, it really is inconceivable.
3. Diazepan's answer 3 is contrary to Cocolio's answer 3
4. 3. Diazepan's answer 4 is somewhat contrary to Cocolio's answer 4
who is right?
(This is not flame. You have to clear up doubts)
One question: How long will this flame stop?
Never. The goal is to overcome the post-troll of Pandev92 😛
Tomorrow in the microkernel we will try to overcome it with a broadcast on the national distros.
What's wrong with pumpkin?
The truth is I don't know why linuxers are raging against Microsoft and its Windows when Apple is a thousand times worse ... »???
The same shit they are, with their own peculiarities, of course.
The evil lies in the ethics of its code, which does not seek collaboration and equality.
And that attitude is exuded by both companies.
So if my finger falls off, if I give "accept" in front of an EULA or any of its collecting tricks, no, I DO NOT ACCEPT. sudo harakiri.
Good luck Mountain.es, but come on, I can see myself assembling Raspberry Pi, as it says here:
http://www.southampton.ac.uk/~sjc/raspberrypi/pi_supercomputer_southampton_web.pdf