Thanks to PC Pro I find out about this news, which has already started to bother me.
It happens that the so well known Miguel de Icaza (co-creator of Gnome) has said in his own words:
Linux is struggling on the desktop because it only has a small number of "great" apps.
Which means:
Linux is failing on the desktop because it only has a small number of good applications.
The really "funny" thing is that he said it at a recent Windows 8 conference ... I mean, WTF !!! ¬_¬ ...
I leave you the words of Icaza, who at least has shown me more every day that he is not exactly a "friend" of the community:
When you get down to listing how many good apps there are for the desktop in Linux, you can probably only name 10, and if you work and think really hard and try hard, you can probably name 20.
To be honest, with Linux on the desktop, the benefits of Open Source actually play against Linux on the desktop.
Not only are there incompatibilities between Red Hat, Ubuntu, Suse, but there are also incompatibilities in the same distribution. For example, him Ubuntu this week is incompatible with the Ubuntu from 9 months ago. And there are also multiple versions (it refers to Ubuntu with Gnome, Kubuntu with KDEEtc.).
I think Linux has had a hard time on the desktop, and now the desktop has stopped mattering enough.
But this is not all, he wishes Windows 8 luck, as well as he thinks that it will surely be very successful, these were his words:
Those API rules / standards should finally solve security problems in Windows.
I must say, I actually like Windows 8. I am not a Windows user in a long time, but this is probably my first time using a Windows PC.
As we say here in my country: «A good understanding, a few words are enough«
If I had my doubts about this man and his monkey before, now it is completely clear to me that he is just another Microsoft employee.
I would like to know which applications he mentioned among those 10, surely all of the Gnome project and maybe Firefox ...
I say it and I repeat it, every day I am more happy to have decided on KDE and what it represents, because soon we will have the OS for Nokia called «microsoft gnome»Or worse.
Anyway, and although Icaza will not read this article, I leave you a list of the applications that I do consider good on the Linux desktop:
- Firefox
- Thunderbird
- Gimp
- Amarok
- VLC
- Clementine
- Rhythmbox
- Pidgin
- LibreOffice
- Dolphin
- Akregator
- Chromium
- Rainlendar
- Inkscape
- Xara
- Kontact (KMail + KAddress, etc)
- Ark & Fille-Roller
- openarena
- K3B & Brasero
- Gwenview
- Okular
Good
If we get into specific applications, the list can be extended to infinity. I for my part would add some development:
geany
Bluefish
Agave
I add some P2P application:
Transmission
Deluge
Nicotine
I add some messaging:
x-chat
aMSN
....
Yes, I forgot BlueFish and I would also add Komodo-Edit, great ...
Besides Eclipse and NetBeans 🙂
Little by little I have realized that hell is full of good intentions, Sun, Oracle, now Gnome, before Nokia ... I'm starting to worry ...
Do not worry, you will find a system that you will fall in love with, with what you like that hahahahahahaha
I don't know, you can try OpenBSD for example
Error, I already like ArchLinux too much hehe ... although yes, I admit that I would like to try FreeBSD 😉
But FreeBSD uses Gnome, so you would use some of this gentleman, OpenBSD uses KDE
Ah, no idea hahahaha ... mm, it would not be wrong to use Debian + KDE + BSD kernel 😉
Gnome is not from Miguel de Icaza. That is an exaggeration of the size of a house. Another thing is that he was one of the founders of gnome, but hey.
Stallman's reason when he said the link, and I thought he was exaggerating.
http://www.linux-party.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5009
By the way, read the biography of this man, so that you can see where the shots of this last nonsense he said come from.
I would put Krita, Anjuta, Glade, Ardor GTK2 and VLC
Now to the rest:
I think that sucking (I couldn't find another finer word) to Mierdo $ oft as he has done is sarcasm because with the money they have, anything that says about them can turn against them.
The Winbuntu thing is true, completely, but it is normal in a monopolizing system, no matter how Linux distro it may be.
The same among the incompatibilities, some deb other rpm ... But it seems that it does not find out that there is a standard called ./configure make make install, another thing is that it is not mole
I do not agree with him anything other than Winbuntu
Without the intention of offending anyone (that NEVER!) But Mr. Miguel is SOMETHING right, mind you, I don't consider him a god or anything like that but one also has to know how to look at things objectively because there is no worse blind than the one who does not want to see. Or in other words, the fragmentation of Linux or the great freedom that the GNU / Linux ecosystem gives is a double-edged sword, especially for developers.
Let's be honest (please), it's much easier to download an .exe and install than not looking for the necessary package or files specific to your system. An example, if I use Ubuntu and I want an X program that unfortunately is inside a .rpm package, then there I stay, at the doors. AND EYE! I do not doubt at any time that there will be some trick to install it in Ubuntu! or do the ./configure make make install, TRUE! but that for a user who comes from Windows or a lazy guy like me XDD is a nuisance (not much to me but my brothers would kill me).
I mean, I support freedom but NOT debauchery! this becomes a: I do this like this because I want to do it like this and you do it that way because you want to do it that way ... what happens? efforts are divided, time is wasted and therefore quality. Does this mean that Linux should be just Ubuntu? NOOOOO! of course not! but I do ask for a minimum of standardization (and if possible, simplified) because it would not be better for everyone to adopt the .deb as a standard package, base or call it what you want? Not because the .deb is miraculous but because it would be the most practical because it has a higher user quota.
Another thing is the standardization of the modules, packages, libraries and dependencies that exist for each Distro, in all of them there are subtle differences (or not so subtle) that can make a program not work, or do it partially. For example, I would prefer (remember that I always speak from my point of view) that the developers focus on some standardized configuration and that the developers join forces instead of making a fork because I do not like a certain component.
I sincerely believe that if some base patterns were met in all distributions, creating and maintaining applications would be much easier and that would imply higher quality applications (I do not doubt the ones that already exist, be careful) and better maintained by EVERYONE than in the end and after all we are all in the same bag, and calling Ubuntu, Winbuntu only shows division on the part of the GNU / Linux users themselves, we should not fight among ourselves, much less criticize each other. Says an 18-year-old boy who is having a hard time at AHHAAHAH University
Regards! ^^
Hello
Let's see, it's not about taking everything as wrong, that is clear, only that altogether ... praise Windows8 + say that it will use it + strongly criticize applications and Linux in general ... man, is this already too much or not?
Regarding what you mention about installing an .exe, nope, I think just open the Software Center, Synaptic or just double click on the .DEB and install it with GDebi, this is MUCH simpler than installing an .exe, let's say Photoshop or even a game.
To install a program in Windows we generally need a keygen and then a crack, even though viruses are plagued by our dear friends (yes, they are my friends, I love viruses and it's not sarcasm haha), not to mention that not everyone knows mount an ISO with Daemon or Alcohol 120%. So really, I think it is much simpler to install a .DEB.
The issue that there are too many distros, it can be a double-edged sword yes, but at least in my case it is great: "in diversity is true freedom" 😉
Although there are more than 300 distros, we all know which are the main ones: Debian, RedHat, Gentoo and Slackware maybe (Arch I think would be out there too), from these are derived almost all the others.
Therefore, it would only be left to do a good office job, good business I mean, and for example ... that the Debian development team customize this and make it highly compatible with X range of HP equipment (for example). What ... is very easy to say / write it right? HAHA.
Regarding criticism, I think that as long as they are constructive there are no problems, the problem is when you criticize without thinking, when you attack without even looking at it from another point of view.
I personally only criticize LinuxMint, and it is to annoy elav HAHAHA, I also criticize Ubuntu because, I think we agree that it is not what it was before, even Karmic Koala was an EXCELLENT distro, then it began to suffer too much instability (more than it already presented), and the end result is all heaters it has ^ _ ^
regards
Hmm, maybe I have not explained myself well, when I have put the example of the .exe I have completely omitted the tedious process of installing Windows xDDDDD sorry, used to Linux I no longer remembered TT so the explanation in that section has been forced but I didn't want to say that, I don't know if you understand me xD
I know that it is very easy to write it, but if we always think that it is very easy to say it but not do it (even if it is true) because with that mentality we will not advance much XD I would not know how to do it for example but there are many geniuses out there who would know how to create everything this infrastructure.
A question that burns me, when you talk about "Instability" exactly what do you mean? many crashes? unexpected errors? this instability can be occasional (only in 1 type of computer) or generalized ... I think it is a bit incorrect to speak of instability so cheerfully since I have a computer that has not yet experienced a crash for more than a year and a half using Kubuntu XD
Regards!
I did, apart from the installation it gave me screenshots something like a purple screen of death.
The problem is that they have focused a lot on the environment neglecting the rest
If we take a package standard such as deb or rpm, what can happen is that the user only knows how to do next, next, next. I think the terminal is better because that is how you learn to handle it
Well, that that I should standardize the packages seems good to me, because both free and commercial developers would have it easier ... when you are looking for a commercial program (and I do not see anything wrong with commercial programs each one to their own as long as they are not monopolizers ), there is always the option of deb, rpm, or the option of sh or make, so it looks like the double work that developers have to do for linux if I get lazy as a program developer. instead of a single rpm, or deb, or conary. I use the computer for design and animation so I don't need to learn from the console. and in opensuse I have not needed any of it, so it is better to apply and that's it than a next one ... with saying that I know more ubuntu command that I don't need them than suse, which is the one I use ... but the rare program that could not be found in librecad rpm but already in obs. so that consolo does not come to the place
I think Icaza's mistake is comparing Windows and GNU / Linux applications that way. Maybe he meant that the applications that come with Windows are better than the ones that come with… with…. ahh true, that in Linux we do not have a single desktop environment, not a single distro and we have more than 40Gb of applications in repositories ... So I do not understand the comparison.
Maybe what Mr. Icaza meant is that compared to Gnome applications, the ones that Windows brings are better. And it is that it cannot be compared that way either. How many applications does MS Windows really include?
Anyway, if there is a lake that I have never doubted, since Icaza got involved in the Mono project, to try to copy .NET, I knew that he was a repressed Microsoft fanatic (for whom he works by the way if I'm not mistaken).
Haha, good that
hehehe reminds me in something of Mr. Miguel Katrib (to whom I owe a thousand thanks for his programming book) but that once he arrived at the University of Computer Sciences (UCI) where I studied and when we went for his conference he did nothing more than try « sell us »Visual Studio as the best and only programming IDE that existed, not that it says that VS is a bad IDE but…. I hope that Mr. Icaza does not come to tell us now that the Gnome was an error or that in Windows we will find what we are looking for (Freedom to do what you want with my computer and not violate any law in the process)
Good.
I have yearlings in the sl world, specifically, using gnu / linux.
I think that these days, we should already know very well how this is going about the sl, ask that a type of packaging be "standardized", that two or more projects join forces (very much in the style of what I read about amsn and emesene, etc.) is to ask that there is not that true freedom that characterizes that philosophy.
We have the freedom to take what best suits us, from simple applications to see the time, to complete distributions, and I like that. Handling (because the difference between one and the other is not really difficult) rpm, deb, compilation, etc. and I never complain, it will be that I like to learn.
We should better understand how programming is within the sl (I am a programmer, but I have not been able to contribute in some way due to lack of time), if we have the freedom to program as a hobby, we will program what we like and what we need, sometimes thinking in the others. I imagine that the "bullshit" of msn almost * no gnu / linux programmer / user we miss and that is why the projects, although they plan to introduce it, is not the primary or highest priority, because, for the same reason of our freedom, we have with other protocols / networks with which if we can do what they miss in msn ... and the winks and others, the truth is I do not see it.
Well, I extended myself more than I should have, greetings to all.
Extended but concise .. +1
"If I had my doubts about this man and his monkey before, now it is completely clear to me that he is just another Microsoft employee."
Jo is that for a long time this man came with some things, well Microsoft has enough money and there is never a sold out.
Regarding the fragmentation of gnu / linux systems, if it is a double-edged sword and if I have always said that many projects should come together, and the "kde, de facto gnome when we talk about desktop" desktops, should work more together, There are many projects that together could do a lot and separated as they are, they only show that they are unfinished, incomplete, etc, but you have to see some mail and chat clients for MSN, under linux, some do some things that others do not, but none of them have a good finish, to stand up to windows msn.
And if we start to see there are many redundant applications that do not reach the heels of other well-known proprietary applications widely used in winbug, that is, there are many really good applications for gnu / linux, but they are the exception not the rule.
BY THE WAY: Gnome 3.2 on archlinux's gnome-unstable.
I don't share that opinion with you, well, I don't use MSN, but I think Pidgin is one of the most complete messaging clients, multiprotocol and easy to use.
It is true that the projects are a bit fragmented, but even without being a KDE lover I recognize that it is much more complete than Gnome and if it is a complete Desktop Environment.
Hahahaha well yes, but to use kde applications you have to use kde and that is something that I like as much as being kicked in the testicles at midnight while I sleep, that is, I don't like it at all. that of mixing applications from one desktop to another, does not go with me.
As for MSN, my girlfriend is my only Hotmail contact (and the reason why I have an @hotmail account). That is, you will already know why I say it and neither Pidgin nor aMSN, emesene, are up to the MSN of Micro $ oft, some have things that others do not and vice versa, the 3 together would do a better job and that for those three I have tried with others. Until he gave me Install the fucking Windows 7 just to chat as God intended with all the video / audio parakeets, and all that nonsense that is not productive, but makes the conversation enjoyable, well I installed it for that and to do others things that are irrelevant and for a game there is also some time for leisure.
Returning to the topic as a client for MSN that does things well, there are some other applications that really do not measure up, but if you see there are countless forks or projects that try to do the same, that implement things that the previous one does not but that They fail in others that the other has, that is, I don't know a fool's pride, too great an egocentricity or a lack of organization.
Man, I think your problem would be easier to solve if your girlfriend, to chat with you, made an account in Gmail, Jabber or anything other than MSN. Don't you think LOL
She knows a lot about chemistry, but I don't even talk to her about computers, it gives me a headache, and I don't want to be the one to teach the old parrot to talk. The other day I tried to change the browser from IE to Firefox and it was a problem, because I was lost, even gross I told her (it is that patience is not one of my virtues) and well, the more I know women the less I understand them, just I know that that hornet's nest will not stir it up again. For me it is easier to adapt in this environment than for her. 😀 She uses msn, because I'll talk to her by msn, it won't happen with the browser hahahaha.
You know that you don't have to have a Hotmail account to be able to chat on MSN, right?… You know? HAHA…
I don't remember what it was like, but by registering at passport.net or something like that, your own GMail account will work for you and you can chat with Live or Hotmail users.
Search in Google, I assure you 100% that it is more than possible.
Damn now I need to put a window Zero tag, for example, hahaha well every crazy with his theme, with the standard in the packages I already leave it very clear Courage above, I will always think that various work would do better united projects, that many each by their side.
Nor do I ask that they make an entire Operating System, but there are applications that are redundant (there are several flavors) and none complies 100% with their proprietary peers in winbug, although some have things that others do not. Whoever does not see that as something bad, well there he.
The saying goes well, divide and conquer, because in terms of division there is really a lot. And with this I do not mean to say that everything Miguel de Icaza said is the absolute truth, because I do not like the guy at all, but without a doubt there is something true between the hiss of the snake.
I think that everything is summed up in this sentence: «excesses, no matter which one, all excesses are bad» 🙂
Hey Gaara, launch an analysis of Archlinux and gnome 3.2 😀 for a change that I have not seen anything here from arch, all LMDE, Ubuntu, etc, etc. Negrean other distros.
Uff… if you knew that I no longer have Arch installed, against my will I had to remove it and install Kubuntu T_T….
In a few weeks I will possibly make one with Arch + KDE4.7 (or 4.8 I'll see hehe).
Greetings friend.
That is going against the principles of GNU / Linux, well thank goodness that Arch installation is not even a quarter as difficult as they say.
We do not deny Eduar2 anyone, simply that those distros are the ones we use the most. I wish I could have a PC with more than 1Gb of RAM to have a virtual machine running with other distros and thus be able to talk about them ..
Jo I don't like visualization, I prefer to install on disk.
Look, colleague Eduar2 is right, there is nothing about Arch, you should do that instead of looking for girl wallpapers for your desktop
Don't criticize my work at Artescritorio, I'm quite sensitive to that aspect ... seriously, don't touch that vein.
It's nothing against the page but I already know for the next one.
If you don't like it better delete it
Do not fuck with our favorite troll that he is not to blame for anything .. Grrrr
I did not take it against anyone, just that you know ... I'm sensitive with this aspect, it may also have something to do with the flu, which makes my mood not normal HAHAHAHA.
Anyway, I appreciate our favorite troll hehe… 🙂
That nothing happens, if you do not like remove it but I already tell you that it is nothing against the page
Look at it from this other point of view. You give as an example an application for MSN, which is more complicated than any other because it has to integrate with the code of someone who does not want to share it, that is, Microsoft. In that case you may be right. But let's turn the tables. How many applications do you know in Windows that can connect to Identi.ca, Twitter or StatusNet? In Linux it is not that we have many, but those that exist do their job well and in a totally different way from each other, even in the interface: Hotot, Pino, Turpial, Gwibber, Pidgin ...
I'm just saying that the day they begin to join projects to try to create a single "quality" product, they may win for that part, but the diversity that characterizes us and that makes each one choose what they want will be lost. What if we join Hotot, Pino, Turpial, Gwibber and Pidgin and I don't like the end result?
You go to KDE hahahaha man if those projects come together, I think it would end in a good product, although you never know.
I think that before using KDE, he would be willing to use Windows8 HAHAHAHA !!!!
By the way elav ... ggrrrr you didn't mention Chokoq ¬_¬
I know, that's why I said it to 'fuck no more, it's like me, I'd rather get kicked in the testicles at midnight while I sleep than use kde.
Reasons: well, I have him, that is not why I say that it is bad (now) simply a very subjective opinion, my own of myself. 😀
By the way they just moved the gnome 3.2 packages from gnome-unstable to the arch testing repository.
Well, the truth is that it is not without reason in the lack of compatibility, and neither in that the dizzying variety of options for the desktop does not help its greater acceptance.
More variety is not always more freedom. From a certain point it works the other way around. Check out the following TED talk about it, it's quite interesting: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/barry_schwartz_on_the_paradox_of_choice.html
I believe that all distros should have at least one common desktop environment, and be binary-compatible (that the same program works in any distro) for Linux to succeed on the desktop.
All environments are common
I get tired of reading the same everywhere, that there is already a standard
That you don't like it is something else, but having it there is
Well, that of a desktop standard I do not see much.
"All environments are common"
Sure, how are Ubuntu and Kubuntu different, right? And why do you talk about KDE-centric distributions or so-and-so? They are common whenever you install and configure them, and we will have to thank if they are also in the official repositories.
«There is already a standard»
Yes yes, compiling is the best way to attract new users to Linux. I don't know if that or a photo of the Duchess of Alba in a bikini on the home screen would scare them more. Also, why will developers stabilize the different packages of their distribution when you can do it yourself at home, right?
You will forgive me, but I have always said, that to attract x million users to gnu / linux or any other kernel, who go from crying to crying and complaining or wanting everything to be GUI and to eliminate the terminal (because according to they are a thing of the past) I prefer that a few geeks enter that contribute either testing, reporting bugs, compiling, with artwork and if they know how to program.
I know that what I'm saying may be Taliban and I always fall like flies to the excrement, but I see it much better to have 100.000 users who collaborate in something than 100.000.000 who only come to fuck, criticize (many times without knowledge of the cause and without arguments , because I value constructive criticism), complain, cry and stop telling so many things that subjects write without verb and / or predicate. And it's not that I think I'm superior to anyone, but it disgusts me to see idiots who think they're inferior, always complaining that Linux is very difficult (because not even the full name of the OS is written)
In real Linux, the aim is not to attract users, but to offer a system in which people can see their code and that they can collaborate in the distros.
I don't care if more or fewer people use it, with which I agree with Eduar2 (below).
If you don't like the garlic and water terminal, you have to learn how to use it, we can't do everything with the control center.
The environments for example in Arch you have them all in the repositories, except for Razor Qt which is in AUR, nothing more, but it is a simple «yaourt -S razor-qt» which I don't think is a big deal, and yes, Ubuntu and Kubuntu they are the same dog with a different collar, the only difference is the desk
HA, part is right, unfortunately most people use Windows, therefore software developers focus more on this operating system than on Linux. For example, I have to use Windows because all the applications I need are for it, and in Linux I have not found an equivalent for them (or I have found it but not very complete as the one I need) such as electronics and robotics simulators . If it weren't for that I would use Ubuntu as my main operating system.
Well, this man broke away from gnome centuries ago when he wanted gnome to use mono yes or yes, he has neither voice nor vote the leader now is the red hat boy «Lennart Poettering». From gnome if it is true it has had many backward compatibility errors but we will have to investigate the change of the api; gnome as a desktop is a big change but not the worst in the present we see how kde has problems with touch screens I like gnome3 although there is a lot to improve and the last thing about kde I do not have much confidence it only makes me remember why gnome was born but everyone we are free to choose