We continue with the bad Mexican or Venezuelan novel of the afternoon. Canonical has announced, through the voice of Oliver Ries, that Mir and Unity8 will be by default in Ubuntu 14.10.
The director in charge of Mir Oliver Ries has confirmed that the new graphical server MIR and Unity 8 will land by default on Ubuntu 14.10. The code name of Ubuntu 14.10 it could be Ubiquitous Uguisu.
I leave my point of view with you. I am a user of Linux Mint and Ubuntu.
I am in favor of wishing the best of luck to Ubuntu with Mir and with Unity 8, since I do not forget the work that Canonical did in making Free Software known. Nobility forces to recognize the work of Canonical in its beginnings.
For me, Mir and Unity 8 will be added options for GNU / Linux users, so far I don't see any inconvenience in the existence of Wayland and Mir.
I hope that the coexistence continues like this and that we do not get into absurd and senseless fights, fights that the truth have rotten me and that bring out the fundamentalism and fanaticism of many users on one side and the other, leaving aside the good sense and criticism constructive.
I do not believe that Ubuntu is following Apple's footsteps, I do not see indications or actions that indicate that Canonical will take that course of closed source drastically.
What I can say judging from my point of view is that Canonical you need a graphical server that suits your needs, that's why I choose to develop MIR.
On the other hand Redhat, Community GNOME e INTEL they opted for Wayland. I repeat again from my point of view MIR and Wayland can coexist in the world GNU / Linux.
Constructive comments are welcome
Sources :
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Canonical-Confirms-Mir-Will-Be-Default-in-Ubuntu-14-10-403067.shtml
http://www.lffl.org/2013/11/mir-unity-8-saranno-di-default-ubuntu-14-10.html
Good thing that I no longer use and will not use Ubuntu again 🙂
Same here 🙂
The same here, I tried OpenSuse 13.1 and I was delighted!
I am also testing opensuse 13.1, I had never tried it and being such a famous distro I wanted to at least taste it a little, the distro is not bad at all, it is a fairly good alternative to Ubuntu, it is simple and fast, and KDE works very well, the only problem I have had has been with the network, by default I did not connect by ethernet cable, I could not even find the interface in the KDE network manager. I had to do a dhcpcd enp3s0 to activate the network, and then install networkmanagger-qt, since then no problem, and nothing happens either, but for a person without much knowledge, because he may not realize that it is the dhcpcd server which is not started.
I also did not like that the game repository is not activated by default, removing those small details, it is looking like a great distro, although, from my point of view, like a KISS distro like Arch there is nothing, for color tastes.
A greeting.
At home, I am using Debian Wheezy that MIR does not affect me in it.
Me neither.
I am in favor of MIR, because we simply have too much time waiting for Wayland and nothing, Wayland will not be suitable for Ubuntu for the simple reason of the convergence that Ubuntu - Ubuntu phone - Ubuntu tablet will have, therefore it is more viable to do Mir to wait for Wayland to be ready and have to see if he meets what they need for convergence ... that's why I think Mir is a good decision even if it is controversial.
Wayland is ready, eager to repeat lies.
Its stable version was released months ago.
In a few days the first mobile with wayland is released and at the beginning of the other year KDE and then Gnome with support is released.
The calendars with the releases are public, let's not make things up.
I am a possible user of linux mint and ubuntu. My base distro is based on the URPMI package: MAGEIA and OPENMANDRIVA. Nothing Canonical is free like GNU / Linux to decide which way to go after they continue to use the linux kernel and that makes them part of the community whether we like it or not. Good luck with your development of mir ...
According to your comment. There is a lot of misinformation out there. Canonical could perfectly stick with Wayland, but they made a decision, political, and still respectable.
Exactly, Wayland is ready before Mir. Canonical wants to have its own graphical server to have control over it and whoever says otherwise is delusional.
Ok, I did not know that it was ready, what I think is that Ubuntu decided to use Mir instead of Wayland for the simple fact of convergence, that is, how portable is Wayland, it runs on mobiles, tablets, desktops (that is confirmed) and on TV ?, I think that's why they decided to develop Mir, it is easier to develop Mir and for it to have that important feature from scratch than carry Wayland and deal with all the implications they need.
Wayland is ready, while Mir is not, some will say, but when Mir is ready, as standard if he carries a desktop, mobiles, tablet and TV, tell me Wayland supports all that now and seriously without the need to carry anything? (I don't know why I ask) if not, then what objection would I have to use something that is not viable for mobiles when looking for convergence?
Wayland already does that ... the only reason was that they wanted to do it their way, and that's it.
In my comment I told you that in a few days the first phone with wayland comes out (you can google "mobile jolla"), I think that clarifies everything you mention.
Tizen is also going to use Wayland in its next version, and I don't remember another one for cars
They have told you and I am telling you too: yes wayland is portable and works in various environments.
You make the same silly mistake of talking again without investigating first. I recommend that you ask a little less challenging questions or in favor of comparing wayland with mir, so you inform yourself a little and then, with complete freedom, you say what you get. Isn't it better this way?
The only reason is the usual; tie you up.
ajajaj this one believes all the lies of canonical xD those always say something and it really is something else
With Canonical lately, it's better not to believe until you can't see.
MIR represents doing 3 times more work and practically without benefits, because at the end of the day it is Wayland with an exclusive API (which adds a layer of incompatibility).
If Canonical manages to do all that work by itself, congratulations, I am still waiting for a smartphone that runs with a GNU / Linux system in shape, android or FFOS, if ubuntuphone does it, I will surely try it.
Following in Apple's footsteps will not be closing the code because it has a GPL license, they simply cannot (Make it so dependent on exclusive things, that it is infeasible to adapt it to other distros, is something else).
Surely it will also be available for 14.04 through a ppa to go polishing and checking errors, canonical has always done the same, they do not put by default but it can be used in advance
As a query: Will Unity 8 finally go to Qt or will it continue to depend on Gnome?
I understand you will use Qt.
What matters to me is that whoever wins wins, is the one that works better and is more complete, and while I can't really use mir on unity, without xorg, I can't say how it goes.
personally I prefer that wayland wins also the only one who supports mir is canonical, he is the only one who has gone against the current
I think that in a while I will see ubuntu with closed code and with a price of $, the truth is that I have never liked it but it is something personal I prefer to use the father (debian) than the children (ubuntu, mint etc) it works much better and I know adapt to each user
Another man who talks just to talk and knows nothing about the underlying theory and the impossibility of Ubuntu, as it is now, is closed.
Foolish.
more stupid are you who only criticize and do not explain a radish
How will Ubuntu be closed if all its core packages are under gpl3 or gpl2? .., documéntate before.
Let's see, let's use that little thing that we call brain, gray matter ... you know, the one that is not spent by using it, do you think?
If we make use of it and read three lines of the GPL license, or at least some basic article ... or even an introductory comment, since you have the balls to call me a fool for "not explaining", deducing then that you already have a minimum knowledge We are going to realize that Ubuntu is based entirely on software licensed under GPLv2, v3. Right? Therefore, if we refer to this article we find this little basic section:
What does that mean to us? Simple, Canonical is based on Debian isn't it? And it uses a lot of GPL components, right? Now, the Linux kernel is licensed under GPLv2 right? So, try to force that brainiac as hard as you can, come on, I know you can put the pieces together ...
In case you can't, I'll digest it and regurgitate:
If the core components of the distro are based on a free license that does not allow work to be derived from it unless they are licensed under the same license that covers them, then it cannot, under any circumstances legal close your code Do you catch chiquitin? Maybe not, so I keep going. So if you take into account that in fact their cornerstones of the distro, read Unity and other components (leaving aside their core components such as Debian and the kernel) are also licensed under GPLv3 ... How the hell do you suppose they are going to close the damn layout !? GENIUS!
To do such a thing you would need:
a) Make a whole kernel from scratch, change the licenses of everything they have developed and not use free components.
b) Take a BSD kernel, work it for a fucking long time and change their product licenses to BSD, and use similarly licensed products compatible with what they develop.
All this entails brutally complex work both in terms of resources and time.
Do you still think it is possible? Was such a conclusion too difficult to elucidate? Are you able to contribute something or just criticize from the comfort of "most fool you are"?
Learn, please, to keep your fingers away from the keyboard when you are not going to do more than fuck, because if you are going to criticize me for not explaining anything, without even doing it, then you are falling for the same ruse and you are contradicting yourself.
Foolish
The GNU Public License does not let you privatize forks. Therefore, Ubuntu cannot be proprietary (unless it changes kernel and takes the difficult job of re-licensing everything with the BSD license, of course).
Hi guys, how did you do with Pear OS which was supposedly a Gnu / Linux right-hander and they privatized it, in fact it was based on Ubuntu, anyone have any idea?
With so much insistence from the Ubunteros and their haters, it was time that MIR was available to test.
I think it will use XMir.
the safest thing is that you use xmir, canonical always lies, says one thing and really is another
Canonical already reported that version 14.04 will use xorg and 14.10 will come with mir enabled 100% directly so as to have enough time to polish it before the new Ubuntu LTS arrives.
Even MuyLinux has confirmed it.
I use Chakra and not Ubuntu but I understand that a product and behind it there is a company shaping it and making decisions, I do not understand the hatred that people have who do not use it. Others complain about the fragmentation of the Linux distro and others about the course of Ubuntu and I complain about the new distro that does not contribute anything new or deferential.
"Nobility forces you to recognize Canonical's work" and it's great, well for Canonical, let it be, it has an important alternative like the MIR graphics engine, that's great.
"I don't think Ubuntu is following Apple's footsteps", I think so and it is its inspiration in a holistic way, GUI, ecosystem, philosophy, but not licensing, open source or closed, highlighting this somewhat contradicts the following paragraph Of course, if your proposal is for FREEDOM and not the confrontation between closed or open.
«... fights that the truth have me rotten ...», I salute, I celebrate this attitude, make Linux a cleaner world, free of trolls.
Regards,
No no no. I read the comments and I see that no one proves to know the real problem. Canonical is in their obvious right to program or whatever they want. To say that they are "doubling down" or "dividing the community" and "creating fragmentation" are mere opinions, and I particularly only agree with the first two. As you all say, or most, the grace of the Open Source community is the possibility of derivation. The problem is that Canonical has a long history of precisely anti-communitarian acts. Among other things, the absence of contribution towards what is called "upstream" in English but whose translation I do not know: they have infinite patches made to the libraries and programs they use, but even if they release the code they do not explicitly contribute it to the original project. The proof? I challenge anyone to get Unity working on a non-Ubuntu distribution without replacing any libraries. With Mir, their antisocial behavior has worsened: they have broken their promises (contribute to the Wayland code) and want programmers who are neither affiliated with Ubuntu nor have to be affiliated with include code in their projects exclusively because Canonical is good when it comes to History shows that they are not going to contribute the least to Mir being used outside of Ubuntu (Intel drivers, KWin, I think something even got to systemd at the time). Not content with such an act of arrogance (for cutting me off a bit), when his patches were rejected, a certain figure we all know makes statements with inappropriate political connotations in a COMMUNITY calling someone "the open source tea party." And all this I say is only the part of the soap opera that anyone with common sense can understand, that by not knowing how to program at the level of servers and windows clients, it is not possible to judge whether Mir's code is really as badly written as it has been said.
To make my position clear: how many Ubuntu introduced me to Linux, but I am currently very happy with Arch and KDE. Mir's success is completely indifferent to me given that he will probably never get out of Ubuntu.
Finally, if I do not quote the individuals mentioned, it is because they can be easily found by searching, but if necessary I can provide them as soon as I have more time.
In accordance with the content of the post, it would be good if the GNU / Linux community understood that those who think differently, who work differently, but with the same objective as the rest: (expand GUNU / Linux, make it reach all users of software). he deserves respect and not getting sticks in his wheels. Canonical has every right to produce as many own applications as they need for their OS. MIR AND WAYLAND can coexist without any problem for the Linux community.
Great Canonical !!! X.org is obsolete for today's technologies (and that leads to a great change) ... Manufacturers are innovating more and more and new technologies such as Hybrid graphics are very behind in the Xorg (So for AMD's Power Play it is you need to restart the X server with the computer (which in Windows happens along with the system)… With the support of all the community, manufacturers and Canonical we will surely have a great platform capable of competing with today's requirements… Good luck Canonical… !! ! Everything goes well ... I'll be looking forward to Ubuntu 14.10 (I'm a happy Manjaro user now but for the support I would think twice)
Sure, everyone happy because canonical launched its own server, and they justify themselves saying that wayland and mir can live together.
but the real problem here is the support, nvida and amd barely launch drivers for GNU / Linux, now are they going to pretend that they support wayland and mir at the same time?
Please, the safest thing is that amd support mir, since they are only interested in the system that has the best quota, and as it is currently ubuntu, then the rest that we use other distros with wayland there we are sucking.
It is one thing to have fragmentation in things like programs and desktop environments, but in something as essential as the graphics server it is unacceptable.
Canonical does not think of the benefit of everyone, if not just your system.
That is a fact that when you look at Linux, you look at Ubuntu, and that is why traditionally Ubuntu has the best driver support (private or free), to show a button, with Opensuse 13.1 final version the AMD driver does not They have enabled and in the beta version of Ubuntu if it worked, and the use of that private driver determines the use or not use of a distribution, because without it there are many notebooks that get hot
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I have decided to stop reading!
I have read so much about Ubuntu for and against ...
I have read so much about Ubuntu for and against ...
That I have decided to continue using your Debian Dad!
: )
I think like you, in the end those destructive criticisms turn out to be tiresome and not favorable to the gnu.
I use Fedora, Arch, Antergos and Ubuntu, and they all have good things and not so good things, so Mir and any project that contributes something to GNU / Linux is welcome.
Well, I'm happy with Manjaro Openbox: D, that everyone uses the distro that suits them best, the good thing about the Linux world, its diversity.
Before someone starts generating negative controversies, let's bear in mind that any new product can be polished. That makes it more interesting because it is always renewed, evolves, and we are all finding new uses for it and therefore we have to evolve again. In my years (half a century), being a health professional without training in systems, Linux has been an excellent academy for me and when speaking with young people, every month one or two ask me to support them in the installation on their computers and then I They count or happy they are with the product. So: cheer up and LONG LIVE CREATIVITY Congratulations to all Linux distros
How does it affect which ubuntu is developing mir? They just want to be in control of their development, and they want to make sure that all the changes they are about to make work, I've been using Linux for years and using Ubuntu-based distributions, why? because these distributions repair errors that ubuntu itself is leaving aside, as in the case of linux mint, which is an excellent distro and repairs errors that canonical ones are not correcting, I am a middle-end user, I am not a linux expert, but one thing that bothers me in a way is those who are red bone who think they are geniuses, one gives an opinion on what one knows, maybe we are a bit misinformed in many things, but It is not for them to be offended when a question is asked or something is commented, like the classmate who offends by saying to use the gray matter in his head or something to himself, those kinds of comments are what drive people away to use linux, because when they ask they feel attacked, what a shame that this person does not actually use gray matter as he says, his genius and information should be shared without offending, or is that not the spirit of the linux world in general? teaching and sharing knowledge to everyone? What a shame that these types of people are yes, that's why people are not encouraged to use linux, because they see us as super brains and annoying that if you ask something they answer you as if you were an idiot, but there is a saying that says, is more ignorant is he who does not ask, than he who thinks he knows everything.
I am delighted with Ubuntu, in fact, I have bought the Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition, and, although I still have few apps, I am delighted ...