R.I.P Fuduntu


fuduntu rip

While writing the previous article I found out about this and it hit me hard. Andrew Wyatt, the creator of Fuduntu decides to withdraw from the project on September 30, 2013.

I have decided to withdraw from the Fuduntu project effectively on September 30, 2013, as support for Fuduntu comes to an end. It has been a wonderful trip, but I can no longer support myself by working 30 hours a week on the project, in addition to working full time to support my family. I will stay in command of the project until the end and see that the transition to the new platform that the team is developing is as smooth as possible.

I believe the team will move forward with the similar vision, and I have every confidence in their ability to deliver equal to or above the current level of quality found in Fuduntu today. Thank you all for your support over the last 2 years. »

The fuduntu blog commented on the IRC meeting that took place yesterday on, among other things, the future of distribution. Over time, support for GTK2 is said to have dropped dramatically, GTK2 applications have already migrated to GTK3, and old versions are no longer maintained for bugs or security flaws. Another problem is the migration to systemd, which is required for various applications and is not used by Fuduntu. Moving forward takes time and human hands, and Fuduntu cannot provide either.

So after the release of Fuduntu 2013.3, several team members will think about putting together a new distro based on some other well established one.


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  1.   pandev92 said

    It is normal for these things to happen, people cannot be free all day, working in a distro, when there are hundreds of others doing the same, it is understandable, people have to live, eat, support a family, and these projects alone Well, they take away the truth for a long time.

    1.    lawliet said

      it's hard but you're right

    2.    elp_tero said

      «It is normal for these things to happen, people cannot be free all day, working in a distro, when there are hundreds other doing the same, it is understandable, people have to live, eat, support a family, and these projects in lonely because they take away the truth for a long time. "
      No wonder you study engineering. We take as "normal" something that should not be. It should not be "normal" that people do not have time to devote to their spirit-filling pleasures because they have to give themselves away to increase the heritage of another or others. What is normal for you is actually imposed on you, I came to life friend.

  2.   lawliet said

    I did not know the Fuduntu logo, those 4 fedoras forming a sheet with a different color for each leaflet.
    What will be the basis of the next? Well, I say it will be based on a derivative of Debian or Red Hat, maybe they will base it on OpenSUSE, at least it seems like a good idea, it does not remember any distro based on OpenSUSE.

    1.    commentator said

      In my humble opinion, they should start merging as many GNU / Linux distros that exist today, and that are generally nothing more than distros that have minimal modifications and contribute very little, and thus create more solid distributions that can last in time and bring more to GNU / Linux / Hurd.
      Also merge projects that seek similar objectives, in order to strengthen them.

      1.    gnamboo said

        It would be the most logical solution, the dispersion in GNU / Linux is bloody. However, it is the last we can hope for.

      2.    hexborg said

        I agree. As much as some say otherwise.

      3.    elp_tero said

        That is part of freedom, that there is diversity even if they only change the color. If you don't like it, don't put more bombs. Create your kingdom and get screwed.

    2.    Juan Carlos said

      Linkat; Mijitt OS ...

  3.   Ruffus said

    And nothing of value was lost.

    1.    elp_tero said

      As if you died.

  4.   eliotime3000 said

    A good idea that unfortunately died for lack of volunteers. #QEPD; _; 7

  5.   Tammuz said

    we bet it was based on ubuntu?

    1.    Juan Carlos said

      One more? enoughaaaaa .... from Ubuntu.

      Now, as a joke, the main base of Fuduntu was always Fedora, in fact, if I'm not mistaken, it is a kind of Fedora 14, but rolling release. I do not see that it is a good idea to change the entire main base to be based on Ubuntu, it seems like a waste of time, and especially of the work that has been done until now.

      Apart from all this, I always say the same thing, distributions based on distributions that are based on another distribution were never to my liking for this kind of thing, that from one moment to another, whatever it is, they end up disappearing, or with destination uncertain, or no destination at all, and its users ... well thank you, they are waiting "to see if it rains", or suffering comings and goings, as happened with Linux Mint, if I rely on Ubuntu, or if I rely on Debian.

      Hence, I have always walked around, on my laptops, between Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSuse; and on the desktop with Fedora, Centos, ServOS (I confess, * RPMs are my favorites). I'm not saying that the rest are bad, just that I don't see a very secure future in several of them.

      1.    diazepam said

        At first it was based on Fedora but later it became independent

        1.    Juan Carlos said

          Yes, but even if it doesn't use its repos, its main base is still Fedora 14 (at least what I've read), which by the way was an excellent blue hat distribution of those that used Gnome 2.x, which, in short, use this setting is what ends up in Andrew Wyatt's retirement.

      2.    Juan Carlos said

        Although ServOS enters the group of those distros to which I escape, but since it moves at the same rate as Centos there are no great risks, at least for now, only that those who maintain it are few.

    2.    DanielC said

      @tanmuz

      I doubt it very much, what stops this distro is to continue with gnome 2, now they are going to move to KDE, although I think it will be better if it is to KLyDE (for the simplicity they look for) if they want to continue being "a distro for laptops" .

      From the system, there is no need to rely on Ubuntu or Debian when relying on Fedora have proven to be very well handled.

  6.   msx said

    I don't understand why they are still with GTK2 instead of migrating to MATE.
    Besides, Fuduntu is not going to die, not even there, in fact they are testing a very preliminary version of KDE and they estimate that they have a stable base of more than 40.000 users.

    Nah, it doesn't die, you have to give them time to settle down ...

    1.    itachi said

      MATE is pure GTK2 dude

      1.    pandev92 said

        What they should do is a matte environment but with gtk3, although the new classic mode of gnome shell 3.8, is not bad at all 🙂

        1.    Miguel said

          Yes, but the classic Gnome shell mode is nothing more than Gnome shell plus 3 extensions

      2.    msx said

        I think that in the latest version of MATE (1.6 if I'm not mistaken) they stop using GTK2 exclusively and migrate to their own libraries because GTK2 is already too small for them.
        Likewise, the idea of ​​MATE, beyond using or not using GTK2 in the future is to continue offering the GNOME2 desktop.

  7.   guillermoz0009 said

    Too bad, this is where distribution users must support the developer with what we can.

  8.   jamin samuel said

    GTK2 just died… and well normal .. people don't want anything with GTK 3

    I ask something: XFCE will go to GTK 3 or will it also stay in GTK 2 until it is incompatible with the new applications that already migrated to GTK 3 a while ago ???

    1.    diazepam said

      They are thinking of migrating to gtk3

  9.   Carlos said

    I read comments that are the result of ignorance, and that are considered categorical. GTK 3 is the logical evolution of GTK 2, it offers many more possibilities to developers of both desktop environments and applications in general.

    Over time all environments or apps based on GTK 2 will migrate to GTK 3, and this is where I think the real problem lies for distros still based on GTK 2, deciding whether to go to GTK 3 or opt for other options, also valid like QT.

    Mate and cinnamon have their days numbered, although their end remains to be seen. Maybe not so much cinnamon, since the whole Linux Mint development team is behind it, but still it doesn't make much sense to dedicate so much time to new desktops to make the transition easier to GNOME 3, or whatever arises in the future.

    The new version of GNOME, 3.8, has fixed a lot of usage "bugs", and it really is a real alternative. That Ubuntu gave its go-ahead to have a line with GNOME 3.8 indicates much of the breakthrough made.

    I disagree that there are a large number of GNU / Linux distributions, in any case we can say that there are many derivatives of Ubuntu, which contribute very little. If one looks beyond the ecosystem * UNTU finds different distributions both in applications, in philosophy, etc ..., Fedora, OpenSuSE, Sabayon, Rosa Desktop / Server, Debian, .... I think they are good examples.

    Finally, Fuduntu does not die, it just takes a new path, perhaps now somewhat uncertain, but it is only a change of direction. And if your direction is towards KDE, welcome to this change.

    1.    msx said

      Half-rolling base, full-RR apps, OOTB experience and focused on KDE SC:
      http://i.imgur.com/brhpTAT.gif

      Luckily today we have something for everyone: Chakra (Tha Best!), Sabayon (Gentoo), Linux Mint LMDE, aptosid, Siduction (Debian) and soon Manjaro. Welcome Fuduntu if you adopt this model 🙂

    2.    Miguel said

      Cionucerdo in what you say, only a limitation;

      The correct word is "system", because "ecosystem" is a system of living things.

      1.    Miguel said

        * I agree XD

      2.    elp_tero said

        The same with you, just a note: the correct word is "I agree". Although pigs die with cyanide ...

    3.    pandev92 said

      Well yes, gnome 3.8, with its shell, for me it begins to be a work of art, as long as you change the theme of the shell and the icons.

  10.   elav said

    This kind of news really makes me happy .. Let's see if Fuduntu developers or contributors join bigger projects. In the end, I wish only the biggest ones were left: Fedora, openSUSE, Debian, Gentoo .. etc

    1.    I can not believe it said

      AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      WHAT HAVE YOU SAID?

    2.    Juan Carlos said

      If all the communities were united in three or four main distributions to Linux there would be nothing to give it. There they would have to soak MS and Apple beards.

      1.    Miguel said

        it is very difficult to unite communities with different interests, needs and visions

      2.    elp_tero said

        “If all the communities joined in three or four major Linux distributions, there would be nothing to give it. There they would have to soak their beards MS and Apple. " It is not about who has the greatest but about freedom, freedom to create the distro that you want, whether you like it or not and only your mother and sister use it. It is NOT about beating anyone, otherwise it would become the same as MS and Apple are today. I said.

    3.    giskard said

      I think the same. So much fragmentation only WEAKES the Linux ecosystem. Julius Caesar already said it: «Divide and conquer» Well Linux is so divided that perhaps that is why we do not exceed the mythical 1%
      I'm not saying there is no variety, but with a little more focus. Just like you say, focus on the big projects. And whoever wants to release its mini version should do so, but on their own, as a hobby.

      1.    msx said

        You bought a dear mailbox, the mythical 1% is a mythical lie.
        Speaking exclusively of Ubuntu, Canonical expects that by 2014 5% of global PC sales will have Ubuntu installed as the default system.

        GNU + Linux is on more desktops than we are led to believe and if there are still no more people using GNU + Linux in any of its forms instead of Windows, because DIVERSITY weakens nothing or anyone, but simply because for 20 years the Non-computerized public but consumer of computers was exposed only to Windows and with that it is enough to make it the only thing they know and are not interested in making any changes while they can continue to enter Facebook.

        I bet you what you want that even if there was a single distribution, the one you want, that meets people's expectations of use, the migration rate from Windows to GNU + Linux would be equally low.

        The problem is not the "fragmentation that weakens our corporate presence and communication", that is idiotic, please, the problem is that people:
        1. has windows tucked into the head
        2. you have no need to migrate.
        3. knows how to use Windows - well, sometimes, the reality is that most only know how to use certain applications, not even the operating system, if you change the icons they go crazy.
        4. they do not have the time, desire or ability to re-learn something new when they use "just works" (same as what happens with systemd).

        What fragmentation or anything, that diversity is the best breeding ground for the computer magic that we are living today.

        Please…

        1.    pandev92 said

          The problem he says is only in half,

          1- People are happy with what they have (some)
          2- They do not know how to install windows, less will they install Linux
          3- There are applications that dominate such as Photoshop, O microsof Word, Access, Visio etc.
          4- There are missing applications that have a real music store like Itunes, and Spotify is still very buggy, it is still a preview that hangs randomly.
          5- The most famous games are missing, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Dead Space, Pro Evolution, Fifa, Mass Effects etc.
          6- amd graphics drivers are lousy
          7- Pulseaudio does not work well on all devices, intel hda usually have a problem that was reported in phoronix and they said that there would be new things in kernel 3.9, in this regard.
          8-The problem that distros like ubuntu force you to upgrade the entire distro every 6 months, in order to have the latest software, when in windows, you simply download the new .exe, there you would have to do something, you could implement something like the mac osx, or the chakra bundles etc.
          9- Things like compiz, kwin, mutter, are not totally stable, an example is that in windows 7, those are the effects and period, there is no more, archaic but it works, if aero is working, you will not see tearing. But in Linux you can easily have the desktop effects working and have tearing, simply because it causes bugs that are difficult to control, when you are working on something with new features in each version.
          10-Lack of publicity, most of the people I know don't know what Linux is, and few know what Osx is.

          1.    msx said

            Do you see how people understand each other in the end? Except for some different points of view, undoubtedly due to my own experience, I mostly agree with the 10 points expressed, except for some details:
            4. I think this is relative: the times I use both MacOS and XP it never worked well (Windows worse than Mac), it was always slow and heavy. What I don't think is so true is that there are no similar applications in GNU + Linux, in fact there are many.
            Banshee himself, which I am reluctant to use because it is built on Mono basis, works well and has many interesting things (for my part I remain faithful to Amarok although Clementine is excellent).
            5. It is a matter of time before the most popular titles appear as well as simultaneous launches with other platforms - not in vain "Piston" works with GNU + Linux.
            6. Uff, horrible. On top of that, the closing of their opensource development center in Germany doesn't help. Bad for AMD, I like ATi but on GNU + Linux it is unusable.
            7. Until very recently I had problems with PA on my laptop (although not on the desktop). It really bothers me to be forced to use PA - today everything is compiled against PA - especially when ALSA never let me down 😛
            8. Sure, that's what brilliantly solves the half-rolling concept: major base system updates are updated about 4 times a year while everyday applications update as they come out, just like on Windows and Mac.
            9. I don't find KWin unstable, it has worked really well for several versions of KDE.
            The tearing and my friends spent only on the Intel board testing configurations to use energy saving, otherwise I never need to activate VSYNC in KWIN.
            And here I tell you an interesting fact: when the development of XP began, the Windows devs decided that the Windows graphics system (the "X" of Windows) had reached a point mature enough to make it part of the CORE of the system in instead of using a client / server model and, consequently, gain in performance and performance.
            What they did not think is that the programs that misuse the system APIs when crashing the graphical interface would crash the entire system ... and that is exactly what happens (or happened, I haven't used it for a long time) with Windows.
            10. Exact, sometimes even bad information.
            Today I lent the machine to some girls who told me «this is linux !? I thought it was useless. "
            They were struck by how well KDE was doing and how good it looked ^ _ ^

            Hello2 😀

          2.    msx said

            * iTunes

          3.    pandev92 said

            The kwin problem I have only experienced in two things with nvidia which are, the tearing in the full screen flash, but not in window mode, I tried to solve it using the google chrome 26 flash, but that one is very slow in my experience, Compared to the native one, a pity that adobe discontinued flash for Linux, it seems an insult to the entire community, at least they could have provided a decent version ...

            The second problem with kwin and vsync, it appeared to me very rarely, only in kde 4.10.1, I reported the bug and they told me that for 4.11 they would fix it, the problem is that with the intel hd4000, it had tearing with all the outputs video, less than xv ...

            They told me it was a temporary regression, I hope they solve it.

            If we talk about compiz, then what to say, it is unstable but quite ..., at least once a day I had to restart the pc with ubuntu for some compiz crash, it has good performance, but it lacks stability.

            Mutter, I was surprised, in intel clearly had all the tearing in the world in the videos, but in nvidia it is perfect, I hope they improve little by little.

            On windows 7 and 8, well it is clear that it crashes, but you are never sure why, it crashes even by an application that is not supposed to be from the system ..., it is very random. And well yes, aero is quite stable, but that also depends on the cards I suppose, whatever they say, except in GPGPU, the nvidia drivers for windows are also superior to the amd ones. The only thing I appreciate about windows is I've never seen tearing, having the aero activated, but nothing, the same as in mac osx, I suppose that when wayland comes to linux in a stable way, it will also be the same!

          4.    msx said

            I could start by saying that this happens to you for using Gentoo / Sabayon but we better leave the trolling for another time; ¬D

            "The second problem with kwin and vsync, it was very rare, only in kde 4.10.1, I reported the bug and they told me that for 4.11 it would be fixed"
            Awesome, if at any time you have time I would appreciate it if you post the link (or bug number) to inform me and be able to follow it.

            "The problem is that with the intel hd4000, I had tearing with all the video outputs, less than xv ..."
            This is weird, I don't understand anything, it's the computer science things that make you pull your hair out ...
            My IGD board is the same, an Intel HD4000 but I have no problem when watching videos in fullscreen, not even in Chrome 26 ...
            On the other hand, the output that I prefer and I find that it works better is gl2, which by the way does not produce tearing either 😛

            I had no idea about KWin at NVIDIA, I haven't bought NVIDIA for three years ...
            Since you use an Intel motherboard, perhaps these flags for the kernel line will suit you, I found that they significantly reduce the temperature of the motherboard and extend the battery life:
            «GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT =»… i915.i915_enable_rc6 = 1 i915.i915_enable_fbc = 1 i915.lvds_downclock = 1 i915.semaphores = 1 i915.modeset = 1… »

            Of all of them, "i915.i915_enable_rc6 = 1 ″ is enabled by default as of kernel 3.2 (if I remember correctly), give the rest a quick google as especially" i915.i915_enable_rc6 = 1 ″ can cause tearing in some HW .
            Lastly, "i915.semaphores = 1" is only useful if you use the "SNA" acceleration for the Intel module (the i915 especially).
            If you have problems using "SNA" you should revert to "EXA" and disable the semaphores.
            My xorg.conf and 20-intel.conf tweaked after much trial and error to get the most out of the Intel board (suggestions welcome!):
            http://paste.chakra-project.org/4441/

            Slds.

          5.    msx said

            Sorry, the flag that could cause problems is: i915.lvds_downclock = 1

          6.    pandev92 said

            msx, here you go:

            https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=307965

            «Ralf Jung 2013-03-09 15:46:42 UTC
            The fix will land in 4.11. The danger of regressions is too big to put it into the stable branch. »

            🙁

    4.    elp_tero said

      Alienating thoughts, they seem partners of imperialism ... how much ignorance together.

  11.   dhunter said

    There are so many distro for fun, and the only thing different about them is a few apps. People like to waste time.

    BTW: 31 bugs for the Wheezy release… ..

    1.    diazepam said

      Of those 31, the ones that really worry are these 18 that have not yet been fixed neither in wheezy, nor in sid nor in experimental
      http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=wheezy&merged=ign&done=ign&fnewerval=7&rc=1&sortby=severity&sorto=desc&cseverity=1

    2.    Miguel said

      That's super derogatory, never underestimate someone else's work.

      Finally, a community serves to interact, to learn, that will never be lost work.

  12.   st0rmt4il said

    Hopefully and not die but, there are too many Linux distributions, they are in their prime as were Windows uE hehe .. grab a base, change something aesthetic, put one or another program by deault and it is already a distro!

    Regards!

    1.    Miguel said

      but there are more people organizing and learning

  13.   platonov said

    Every time a distribution disappears, it's a shame.
    Perhaps you are right and the distros with one or a few developers would have to be merged or supported among themselves.

  14.   Miguel said

    I don't like the word "fragmentation."

    I call it vertical integration because different groups of users after using gnu / linux create projects according to their needs and interests, and that adds new users, and builds knowledge.

    I don't think it's redundant either, because here the goal is to learn, and many people are better learning than a few.

    Regarding whether Linux has fewer users than Windows, I don't care, because here we are not talking about a commercial sales model where the more you sell, the more profits. also there would have to analyze external factors such as monopolies.

  15.   Blaire pascal said

    It doesn't really surprise me. This is called "Survival of the Fittest." At the end of the day what elav says will happen, only the big distros, the most supportive and the most distinctive ones will survive. It is cruel, but it is the law of nature.

    1.    Miguel said

      that theory is called social darwinism

  16.   Fabri said

    Opensuse, fedora, Gentoo and others are a disaster ... obviously in my experience of installing it on dozens of machines ... there is nothing that compares with Debian and KDE ... I can not talk about Arch unfortunately ... I have pending .... Some will kill me but for me in a future, distant or not all will return to their source ... Debian ... I use Kubuntu but I'm lazy = S Also using kubuntu I do not get out of the concept "Debian + KDE"

  17.   Cristianhcd said

    I never liked this distro, and although I hate f19 with all my soul, I think I'll stay with it and #!

    1.    msx said

      Lol, why do you hate her with all your soul !? xD
      Tip: if you like #! maybe you like Semplice, Openbox + tint2 in Sid 🙂

  18.   blaxus said

    I love this distro, it is very light and fast, and very simple, in all the time I used it it was very stable and behaved great.
    It is news that makes me a little sad since it was the most stable distro I have used (yes, I have not used debian yet).
    Hopefully it does not go to KDE, or use QT libraries, I like KDE but it is quite a consumer of resources, and that was not the idea of ​​this distribution.
    Hopefully Fuduntu doesn't die in the future.

  19.   oscar said

    A shame, although this man has compelling reasons to abandon the project, as is his family. Surely after a while he will resume the project 🙂

  20.   Federico said

    It is very difficult to maintain a distro without financial support, it takes a lot of effort and it takes a lot of time.

  21.   Germaine said

    A shame that this happens because in truth of all the distributions I tested for netbook, Fuduntu was the only one that settled down and remained stable.

  22.   ivanito_83 said

    I was using fuduntu on my laptop and it was going great, it worked perfectly. Too bad I finished this, now I'm looking for another distro to install. pity fuduntu