I confess it. Just yesterday I found out about this new project called Tanglu and I got excited (maybe hastily). But will be Tanglu another distribution in the world .deb?
What will Tanglu be?
Ya we saw more or less what is it all about. Tanglu will be a distro that will be based on Debian Testing like SolusOS, solydx, LMD, etc ... But, unlike what many think (according to the comments that I have been able to read), it will not be the same.
Ok, but what is the difference?
One of the main objectives of Tanglu is that it will avoid us having to wait for certain and certain packages once Testing enter the freezing phase.
SolusOS, solydx, LMD, depend mostly on the process of updating the repositories of Debian Testing, and while they are in this phase, packages that may turn out to be stable will not be added until the freezing is complete. This is precisely what Tanglu wants to avoid.
Let's take a simple example. Right now in Debian Testing the version we have of KDE is 4.8. However, KDE already going for the version 4.10.1 and for the month of August, it will already be in the version 4.11.
Suppose by when Wheezy go to Stable (within a month, two or more), for X reason the developers of Debian do not decide to introduce KDE 4.10.1but the version 4.9. What's going on? That we would still be behind, perhaps, because of an architecture that we surely do not use, and that is Debian it is possibly one of the distributions that more architectures support.
SolusOS, solydx, LMDE they would have to keep waiting while Tanglu No.. All these distributions could even take advantage of the opportunity and use the repositories of Tanglu.
A distro for everyone
But we don't just talk about KDE or any other desktop environment, we talk about updated packages for developers and even a Kernel own that as far as I read, it will be the same that uses Ubuntu. I guess it's because of the fact that the Kernel de Debian it's free of proprietary bloobs and so on.
Another goal of Tanglu is to give us a Debian It can be used by developers who want up-to-date software, and by end users who want the same. The best of all? That we keep using Debian those of us who work with servers, and use Tanglu on desktop computers.
To achieve this, the team of Tanglu will not stray too far from the development of Debian. Even as they say in the official announcement, with Tanglu would be supporting Debian precisely covering some things that users want, and that the team of Debian you don't have time to offer, or they don't have the necessary priority (I mention the KDE example again?).
How are the packages chosen?
Let's take another example. Let's say for the first or second version of Tanglus I would like them to add Firefox 23 in the repositories. The first thing that will be taken into account is that this version is stable or does not present problems in its use.
If other users do not agree, a voting process is carried out, and if the Software already meets the rest of the requirements, it is included if the majority votes for the SI. If the majority vote for him DO NOT, for the next release of Tanglus I could suggest again that they include that version of Firefox or another more updated and the process is repeated.
Therefore, much of what Tanglu will offer will come from the suggestion / opinion / vote of your Community.
Also, they are doing something very smart. Why not use what is already done? In the case of KDE for example, for Tanglu packages will be used Kubuntu, which will only be modified for the following reasons:
- Remove things related to Kubuntu that we are not interested in.
- Make them compatible with packages Debian Testing.
- Eliminate everything that is not strictly necessary.
And so on with the rest of the packages. So shortly, we will have Muon en Debian, just to mention one advantage of all this.
Damn versionitis !!!
Believe it or not, I like stable things, but when a developer releases a new version of a package, it is usually for two reasons:
- Security update and bug fixes.
- Added improvements.
We can check it with any package you want. KDE, GNOME, Xfce, with each new version they add a lot of new things, bug fixes, performance improvements. And usually all of this boils down to: Increased stability. Isn't this what most users want?
That is what Tanglu offers.
What Tanglu represents (for me)
It's still too early to come to a conclusion, but from what I'm seeing: Tanglu is the Debian I've always wanted to have.
What am I excited about? It is true. It already happened to me with LMDE, it happened to me with SolusOS, which I thought would be what I was looking for, but no. If all goes well with Tanglu, it is possible that these variants will be forgotten or if they are intelligent, take advantage and join the new initiative.
SolusOS for example you are not looking for the same as Tanglu. SolusOS its first objective is to bring the user a b with experience similar to GNOME 2.. What if I don't use GNOMEWhat do I gain from it?
solydx offers more flavors, but they won't add any updated packages, so the version of GNOME, KDE o Xfce that is in the repositories, frozen or not.
¿LMDE? Well, so many disappointed users can't be wrong, and the two distributions I just mentioned attest to that. Perhaps LMDE It has in your repositories KDE 4.10? If so, tell me and this whole article would not make any sense to me. And as far as I know LMDE what "promotes" is Cinnamon y MATE as environment, no KDE.
But if I go further, I think Tanglu is the impulse that Debian he was needing to catch up with the "new user" distributions like Ubuntu, Linux Mint, openSUSE.. etc.
Maybe it's the emotion, but I see that all are advantages .. Does the project fail? Well, nothing happens, I'm still in my Debian so happy. Is the project successful? I'm still in my Debian, happier still.
hopefully it will be like that. But is this a project of good intentions or can it be proven?
They are still preparing the servers, the Wiki and others ... that is, the infrastructure to start working 🙂
Well, I'm also quite excited ... I love Debian for its lightness and stability ... but I hate having packages that are quite out of date and not being able to have an out-of-the-box Wi-Fi connection. It is true that it is not so difficult to make a broadcom card work by compiling the driver, but who would not like to save a couple of minutes and enjoy putting a fully functional system after installation. I just hope that this project succeeds and I look forward to it in its Xfce version 🙂
Well, the truth is that a priori it looks good, it would be practically a Debian testing but without freezing every time it is going to become stable, the truth is Debian is, for me, the best distro I have tried (I have already tried many) especially in its philosophy and way of seeing the software, but it has that small defect of not having the latest.
I have tried SolusOs and the truth, although it seems promising, it is still not too stable, it has given me problems with the proprietary graphics drivers and with the sound (problems that should have 6 has not given me), but we must also admit that it is still very green and to be version 1.3 it is quite stable.
I hope Tanglú is successful, I would try it without hesitation, this is the good thing about free software, that many flavors come out of the same flavor and so on.
A greeting.
You may be correct, but anyway I think it is one more distribution with KDE. What difference does it have from Kubuntu or openSUSE? That the end user they are trying to target will not know. "Looks the same? Well, it's the same. The more advanced will know what differences there are, but as long as everyone's preferred distribution continues to work, they will continue to use it. I honestly do not see the point but everyone with their madness. Hopefully the project goes well. And if they do well, they will most likely make him the bad guy like they did with Mark Shuttleworth.
Let's see, it's not about being a ProKDE distro. In fact, they themselves said that they would try to make both KDE, and GNOME, usable as pure as possible. The point is that Debian Testing users, they wouldn't have to wait that long to be able to enjoy the latest versions when they come out.
Already that of the difference in terms of appearance, it is only that the project materializes, and that a team is formed for the Artwork (in which I plan to include myself) ..
Mark is not criticized for his success, but he achieved success by going through the backing of the user community and Open Source developers, while ordering a desktop environment incompatible with any distro other than her or derivative ( Unity) and a mobile version that gets all the internal machinery of another free project (CyanogenMOD) without even giving the credits.
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But what is wrong with innovating and making a new desktop? Or do you want to continue with the same? That's what the whole community fucks up, complaining so much and crying about things that don't make sense. I understand that they are upset because "it is not the same", but unfortunately Canonical is a business and business is for profit. I really don't see how the community and developers go through the backing because they have developers and they have community. If they were running them through the liner, wouldn't they have moved from distro a long time ago? I am sincere and just as I criticize the search and the integration of Amazon to Unity, I also applaud it for what it is necessary to applaud and I think Ubuntu as a distribution stands out a lot. It has not reached the point that it has yet to reach but it seems to be in process. I don't know ... it's just a simple opinion of one more user. I do not have the necessary knowledge to discuss why other distributions are better but the obvious, obvious it will be. Nor do I fully defend Mark because not everything is beautiful, but what was obvious is that it was already coming and that is why I do not understand the "disappointment" of many.
Cinnamon is new, compatible with other distros and no pests like that are spoken about it (except Ubuntu fanboys, of course).
the linux world is like religions: as soon as a prophet arrives they crucify him and in the end the heretical branch triumphs, that each one puts the name they want in both the result in the end is the same
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It looks good, I'll try it.
I think that all these distros derived from debian (and other distributions) always provide something interesting, be it some package, the kernels, the art work,… .. and if they don't convince you you can always use the repositories to update the kernel, the xfce 4.10 (in my case), the icons, some new package ... and make your custom debian.
I like that there is so much variety.
Exactly, that is the most interesting in my opinion.
I already crab so much fragmentation 🙁
In my opinion what they are doing is putting together a Frankenstein with parts from different distros (both Debian and its derivatives).
I think that if you want to create a GNU / Linux distribution, the ideal would be for it to be independent, otherwise it would simply be another parasitic distro.
Debian is certainly not a good base to consider if you want to have the latest packages. If that is what you are looking for, in addition to stability, Arch Linux could be an alternative. But in that case, is there no Chakra already?
We can only speculate for the moment. We'll see what luck holds for "Tanglu" - fucking ugly name.
Something to ponder:
If out of 100 distros I have 90 to spare, I have reason to think that we are going the wrong way.
What about the applications? ...
Do we have enough? ...
Are they of the expected quality? ...
Greetings.
But out of every 100 users, they all have 10 different preferred distros, so how can we know which ones are left over and which ones are not?
In the world of free software, when a project is consolidated it acquires its own identity. It was not until the appearance of Cinnamon that Mint began to really differentiate itself from Ubuntu, to the extent that it stopped being an "Ubuntu + proprietary packages + unnecessary extras". The case of SolusOS is similar with the development of its own shell since from the beginning it did not offer something really innovative. We must not forget that both cases were undoubtedly influenced by the appearance of Gnome 3 + Shell and that today they work to meet two objectives: the first would be to differentiate themselves from the distribution that gave rise to them and secondly to offer in a traditional way of working taking advantage of the new technologies available so far. Obviously Tanglu has a long way to go and many challenges to face. If the project comes to fruition, it will have to offer something really different to encourage loyal and curious users to try its distribution and eventually migrate to it. Then you will have to develop your identity, to stop being "one more .deb" and to be able to consider it a real alternative. Its announcement undoubtedly causes a lot of excitement and enthusiasm among users because it seeks to break Debian's barriers - the obsolescence of its packages - but without ceasing to be Debian - with all that this implies, especially in terms of stability, how much we preach through the forums- Or am I wrong? Finally, add that with each revision to a software, errors are certainly corrected and performance is improved -in theory-. But there are also regressions. It is unavoidable.
Yes.
And with an ugly name.
In my opinion, yes, another one from the pile.
Are there not enough distros with the more than 300 that already exist? Do you really need another one?
Every time I see a new distro, I more sympathize with Ubuntu for having clear ideas and going in one direction with a goal (even though some may find its decisions controversial).
Well, every day that passes I sympathize less with Ubuntu, because of what it was thought it was going to be, to what it is and what it intends to become .. uff ..
And for me, as long as one more distro comes out every day, and does not die, it is another alternative, another possibility .. LONG LIVE THE FRAGMENTATION xDDD
Well in my opinion I think that having things clear is far from (1) the surprising lurching that Ubuntu hits (2) taking a path without caring much what the people think that make you get to where you are, this is, what the Ubuntu and Debian communities have been.
Ubuntu has turned the hypothetical "year of Linux" into the "year of Ubuntu." And to those of us who use other distributions, give us blood sausage.
You can have things clear, and it seems very good. But keeping things clear and having a monopoly is not the same for me.
This is said by someone who is currently using Linux Mint (a distro derived from Ubuntu). So you don't think I'm a renegade, or something like that.
Ubuntu Monopoly ??
Although I do not agree that they use marketing to almost say that they are linux, what is monopolistic about it?
Your dock is free for other distros, as well as your desktop. It does not use any exclusive program or driver, in fact it is very little of what comes in its final product that is produced by them.
Any distro that starts to have a boom acquires something of its own identity: Pardus and his post-installation conf assistant, Mint with Cinnamon and Mate, Solus with Consort ...
It affects much more what RedHat does with its proposals (or better said orders) of what should be done in Gnome (which affects any distro that wants to use that DE) than what Ubuntu does and will do, which is its own direct conscience for its users and to attract more, beyond if they do not like everything it proposes at first ... or even worse, Google and its android. That does affect much more and is totally monopolistic and not that suddenly they do not pay attention to the complaints of their users as happens in Ubuntu or Debian itself (and almost in any distro, it is just a matter of shopping around their forums and look at complaints about changes).
I don't see any monopoly on Ubuntu. I see a company that wants to do business, which is ethical and normal, with a product like Linux.
I don't care how I do things as long as the fundamentals are respected, and Ubuntu is achieving things that no other distro is doing. Thanks to Ubuntu it is gaining mass of desktop users, that Steam is porting games to Linux, that the big manufacturers begin to take Linux seriously, and thus a non-stop.
Meanwhile, the rest of the distros, well, there they are, with their philosophies, very good by the way, but they do not advance the slightest towards the massification of GNU / Linux, and like it or not, without massification Linux would be marginalized in a corner and for the use of a few, when it is an OS that could be used by many (instead of that slop called Windows).
And I think it's great a strategy of centralization in development and such a risky attempt that is committed to massification.
I only think that MIR has fallen on the table like a huge book, resounding and imposing itself on everything else, and above all in a way that nobody expected.
Right now, as history has been raised, if developers do not give in and adopt MIR in other distros and adapt their environments to run on it, over time I doubt very much that you can enjoy drivers in conditions in Debian, Arch, Suse or RedHat / Fedora. And of course it is open source, but even so the one that sets the standards is Ubuntu, and it does so by looking at its product as is logical, and not because there is interoperability with other Linux systems. It is a "I have my boat, the one who has one fast enough to follow me if he can." And in a way, their differentiation strategy can lead to a monopoly on Linux.
It is dangerous to the extent that if others do not conform to the Ubuntu and MIR guidelines, because they don't want to or simply because they can't, in the end what is believed for Ubuntu will work in Ubuntu and the gap between Ubuntu and the rest of distributions will be very large. And then there will be a massification of Ubuntu, but not Linux itself. In fact if this happens, there will not even be too much resemblance between Ubuntu and the other distros.
I think it would have been much more appropriate to announce this from the beginning, either by giving Wayland a huge push or by developing an alternative and gradually making the developers aware that X11 is now obsolete.
And I am not at all against Ubuntu, contrary to what it might seem, I would love it to be stable enough to be able to use it every day, because I love its concept of the desktop.
Adapt other distros to run on MIR ?? if MIR is intended to use Unity and mobile Ubuntu versions, not for other desktops to "adapt".
Since when does KDE care what Canonical does? and now that it's already mentioned that inside Gnome they came up with the idea of moving to Wayland. KDE and Gnome, the 2 most used desktops supporting Wayland and thus promoting it, do you think they really care that Canonical "imposed" MIR? xD
When you talk about Ubuntu-based distros, I remind you that they are based on the system (as well as Ubuntu on the Debian system), and this is independent of the desktop and its graphical server. When MIR for Unity is released, the KDE, Gnome and XFCE versions of that distro will continue to exist, as well as the Ubuntu-based distros that use other DEs such as Cinnamon, using their corresponding graphic server.
What Ubuntu does is useful to Ubuntu and to any distro that wants to adapt something of it for its final product, be it base system or graphic server and DE; as well as what is done in Gnome, it is useful to Gnome and all those DE who want to use gtk3 like Consort, Cinnamon or Pantheon.
That is the big problem with linux a lot of fragmentation and any new user will be more confused, which distro has this, which distro has the other and to top it off they are not compatible.
That is why windows is still at the top, believe me that everyone will say their opinion that it is good to have many flavors, but in the end you will get bored without taking advantage of it or going in one direction.
@elav, SolydX comes with XFCE 4.10 by default, and Firefox 19, I'm using it at the moment and it works very well.
Hmm interesting .. Too bad I don't use Xfce anymore .. Can you see if KDE 4.10 is in the repositories? 😀
Unfortunately version 4.8.4 remains.
Thank you ..
Well, I'm excited too, although you don't have to get too excited until you see how it works when it comes out. What I missed in my stage in Debian was precisely what this distribution offers, it unnerved me seeing that my desktop environment was two versions behind.
I notice that lately there are quite a few distros with a very specific path. I like that and I think it will make a difference. Tanglu will improve the stable Debian, Chakra is the pillar of KDE, SolusOS bets on Pisi and a modernized traditional Gnome, Manjaro brings Arch closer to users, ElementaryOS seeks a revolution ... In the GNU / Linux world, clear ideas and own paths are needed in the new developments, and I think that in the community we should spread them. I do not know if it is just an impression of me or you agree with me.
I do agree .. U_U
I completely agree, and what's more, I am in favor of fragmentation as long as it serves to create simplified models that contribute something. In the end everything translates into feedback.
A clear example is Manjaro. It is a simplified Arch. And in this way Arch will continue to have its niche of users, who will remain faithful to the KISS principle, and those in love with the AUR and updated packaging but with insufficient knowledge will be able to use a simple distro that includes routines that do many things for them in an automated way. And over time, Manjaro packs will become part of Arch just like Manjaro uses the Arch base.
I am not against fragmentation, I only see it as a waste of resources, efforts and time.
I confess that I have made a mess reading you, @elav: - /
The only thing I read that is really an advantage and not a supposition, is that the changes will be decided in consensus of ideas proposed in your forum, that is, totally community.
Outside of that there is nothing different from other distros that already do the same: verionitis every 6 months, and based on testing.
What a mess .. everyone giving their position (which is valid), but as they say.
Fashion, what fits you.
Of the distros, the one that best suits you and your hardware.
As they would say for the lands of Trisquel and CinnArch ...
"Outra vaca no millo"
you have to see how it works !! 😀, but shouldn't you create your own packages or remove them from sid or experimental + testing? why use the ubuntu ones?
offtopic:
Have you noticed that the pag polls give weird results?
What desk do you prefer? : KDE wins
Do you prefer GTK or QT ?: GTK
… KDE is preferred but with GTK? dafuq?
How about my dear Elav and community
You know, when I started with Linux in 1999 I was using Slackware but I decided to start experimenting and use SUSE Linux (today opensuse), Debian and Ubuntu. I used the latter from 2004 to 2007. I went back to Debian but I felt stale out of time. Then LMDE came and I thought it was what I was looking for and the truth was not like that. I went back to openSUSE and then decided to jump in and switch to Arch LINUX. The latter is the distro of my loves since it gives me everything I need and if not then I enter AUR and install what I lack. Debian is for me together with ARCH and SUSE (without detracting from the other distros that are very good) the best but I feel that the former always remains behind.
One ditro that disappointed me a bit was the elementary one, the truth was I believed that it was the one that would fill that gap, but since it is another variant of the * buntu family, it only remains as a different graphic design alternative but from there it's another Ubuntu.
Hopefully the TANGLU team hits the nail on the head and covers the niche that they should have and Ubuntu have not been able to fill. Debian is an excellent distro, but personally I would like a more risky branch in its philosophy, more up-to-date and above all as general as possible so that each one can give it the taste and flavor (understand desktop environment) that is desired.
Best wishes to the TANGLU team and wait to «savor it»
And how does one join the project?
The truth is that it seems to me another distribution of the heap.
This is due to the fact that by including more recent packages among them the kernel may no longer have Debian stability, and if the only advantage is that it is based on Debian, for that Ubuntu already exists (Although it is supported by a company) that is based on Debian but with more updated software, and the Ubuntu LTS for those who want more stable software, and the backpots either from KDE or Gnome to have the desktop in its latest version.
And if someone does not like Ubuntu, either because of decisions made by Canonical or for any reason, there are distributions like OpenSuse that have updated packages (not always the latest, but quite recent) and good stability ...... And fans who only want the latest software, latest from latest Arch Linux is what you should use….
For these reasons I see that this distribution does not make sense and is added to a lot of distros.
And for those who are excited, Fedora.
Fedora has become a pure adrenaline rush since installation !! : S
from where can i download it?
Is it known if the Taglu repositories can be used on Debian?
In such a case .. Are there substantial differences between using Debian + Taglu and Taglu repositories?
Tanglu will use the Debian Testing repositories… 🙂
Well I'm currently on AptoSid which is based on DebianSid and there are packages like LibreOfice and Iceweasel that are out of date
Made in you, it looks good, I hope the project goes perfectly, the idea is very good, although there is something that does not suit me ...
I disagree that a newer version equals a more stable one.
Most software projects handle two types of versions: minor versions, where bugs are corrected, and major versions that add improvements, minor version corrections, and new bugs. Since each new major version adds new bugs, it is most likely less stable than several of the previous minor versions; so for example kde 4.9.5 is surely more stable than KDE 4.10.0. This in generating, because many times some major changes eliminate large portions of code that end up conspiring in favor of stability. However, the minor versions have one more advantage in terms of stability, and this is a longer test period.
The above does not apply to projects that only handle one type of version, such as firefox or chrome.
Greetings.
Or: this distro started well from the beginning, it has the page in many languages, it is 1 point in favor * - *, I hope it is a good distro, and it has some desktop that can serve me on an old pc and some cool for me laptop although right now on my laptop I use elementary os, the only bad thing about elementary os for me is that it is based on ubuntu: / and a while ago they were asking whether to use wayland or mir, so I hope this distro has something good and uses wayland , I still hope that of elementary os because if they use mir, unfortunately I stop using it, I can not stand the way of thinking of canonical people and it is not because of hatred, well that I hope this distro has a good future and does not die like solus