How about, as the title says, Tanglu is a new distribution that will be based on Debian Testing, and is intended for the end user, with a semi-annual release / update.
¿Tanglu comes to fill the niche he left Ubuntu? Maybe. The objective of Tanglu is to offer "another distribution" that is easy for the end user, and you may wonder why not contribute directly to Debian?
At official announcement they make it very clear. With Tanglu things can be done with Debian no, for example include proprietary firmware. In addition, as they tell us we can enjoy Gnome o KDE (the first Desktop Environment they will use) almost pure, since they will not add unnecessary modifications.
On the subject of desks, Tanglu will include all that are available in Debian. For the moment they will start as I already said by KDE, but gradually, and especially if the Community helps, you can enjoy other flavors with Gnome o Xfce.
Tanglu will be an open project, driven by the community. At the beginning of each cycle, people can make suggestions for the release goals they want to implement (similar to Fedora, but without FESCO). These proposals are discussed in public and are rejected if there are major technical problems. If consensus on a specific proposal is missing, a vote is taken. The proposal can be accepted with an absolute majority. If this does not happen, the proposal is postponed to the next version, where people can vote for it again. If no one wants it to work, it is rejected. In general, the decisions made by Debian are superior and have to be followed.
What do you think?
I like the idea, we have already started the symptoms of versionitis again and if it is a Debian based distro, well I like it ... I already see myself "tangled" with these new ones and look how rich, it comes with KDE so I will feel at home. From here until it comes out and someone downloads it, well I'm going to the official site for a refreshing read.
Several models have been proposed, one of which would make it similar to Chakra (half-rolling):
1- A basic core of programs (kernel, gcc ...) that would be updated only a couple of times a year.
2- A set of more mobile components (python, ruby, etc)
3- The final applications, which since many are already published with great stability (Firefox, LibreOffice, KDE, etc.) would be incorporated almost immediately.
Exact. In fact right now I'm on IRC watching some very interesting talks, such as this:
They basically don't kill themselves working. They take what is already made from Kubuntu for example, they modify what they need, they take away what they don't want and make it compatible with Debian Testing .. Also, they told me:
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It was a long, long time since I was excited about news like this.
Tanglu would be the perfect distribution for me, as I would be using Debian and if I didn't misunderstand the official announcement, I wouldn't have to wait for every freeze to get the latest packages (as long as they are usable).
The fact that it comes with KDE is a plus for me. And the fact that its developer contributes directly to Debian, gives me confidence to adopt it as a main distro.
Hopefully the project does not die .. I only say: Poor LMDE and SolydX if this materializes hahaha
Perhaps it is my opportunity to collaborate on a project. I tried my hardest to collaborate with ChakraProject, but they never gave me the ball (as we say in Costa Rica). I am a faithful user of Chakra despite that, since it seems to me the best KDE distro that exists. Like most here, if it were rolling release, it would be perfect.
What were your collaborations?
If they made it a Rolling Release model, it would be the perfect replacement for LMDE.
In any case, Ubuntu is starting to grow dwarfs, and I'm glad to a degree. The issue of MIR has really burned me.
And well, regardless of Ubuntu, the existence of a distro based on testing (that is, tremendously stable) was something that surely many people had been waiting for a long time. Now we have to support it and see how it opens up 😀
A greeting.
Adiero… launch progressive updates without having to download a new full version
"If they made it a Rolling Release model, it would be the perfect replacement for LMDE."
Amen
Well let's see how the desktop looks, and that it does not come with so many bugs.
This is good news, a distro derived from Debian + KDE 😮 in order to leave the distributions derived from Ubuntu Great 😀
And it will have its own Software Center… Apper or Muon? It remains to be seen 😀
Muon Discover would be nice.
This distro needs to be a rolling release and to take care of the details (such as missing translations in the menu, Kdesudo windows ...). If not, let's see what incentives they give to change my Kubuntu ...
This is a big step for those of you starting out on Linux and having "respect" for Debian as a distro. I will follow its development as something very good can come out of this.
It will also be a distribution based on Debian, but that will use Systemd!. I'll be on the lookout for the news.
See if I understand the equation
Tanglu = Debian - hyperstability + firmware = Ubuntu - Canonical
Is something else missing?
Correction
Tanglu = Debian - hyperstability + firmware = Ubuntu - Apple
That equation doesn't ring a bell to me .. what's more, it gives me an error .. I don't think it leads to any result like the one you propose 😛
I personally see it as another ubuntu without being ubuntu, or as LMDE without any rolling.
Well, I hope it's not like that 😉
As it is based on Debian testing you cannot subtract hyperstability.
Tanglu = Debian Testing + x + proprietary firmware = Ubuntu - Apple + Stability
Where x is the touch of the distribution, I don't know if they fix bugs or edit the software.
sounds too interesting to be true.
another waste of time that will get nowhere, sorry to be so crude, but it's my opinion
You are not the only one who thinks like this.
I remember a few months ago everything that was said about SolusOs and that everyone would use it forever and blah blah blah… .. and few remember it, much less use it.
Those who praised her so much are those who now preach about Manjaro.
Uyyyyyyyyyy Yoyo, I think this is for you.
Anyway, I think it may be good, we'll have to see what happens, I'll be careful. And by the way, since you name it, Manjaro is a great distribution but don't forget Cinnarch, which is a Spanish project on top.
Greetings.
Add and continue the waste of talent making forks of other distros.
Instead of joining forces and concentrating them on a few mother distros, they dedicate themselves to this.
In the faq they explain that if they are going to collaborate with Debian, in fact the project was started by developers of that distro. What happens is that there are things that cannot be done with Debian, such as the availability of proprietary firmware from the installer, or avoiding freezing.
People always have their reasons for starting any project, in many cases they are perfectly valid and in others not so much. The truth is that before questioning these reasons, you have to know them.
I am more interested in this:
http://cut.debian.net/
It complies with what I want, Debian-rolling-testing-stable.
It sounds very interesting, but with so many distributions it is not that someone has already done something similar, and you also know that with Debian you are using a legendary distro.
The question is that Tanglu, if the idea of the official announcement is maintained, it will not stop being Debian. It will be Debian Testing but without freezing. The funny thing is that in the G + Community among the few that we are right now, there are:
Daniel Nicoletti »Founder of La Comunidad and member of KDE
Philip Muškovac »Kubuntu Developer
Something tells me that Tanglu will be an excellent ProKDE distro. And no, no one has done anything like what these guys from Tanglu want to do .. All the distros based on Debian and focused on the end user, depend on the release cycle and the packages that are coming out in Testing .. If Testing freezes , SolusOS, LMDE and the rest, freezes .. That is precisely what Tanglu does not want ..
I remind you that Solusos 2 will not be based on Debian
Well, if the idea is that, it's not bad at all, I put for example Crunchbang that although I don't use it as such, every time I install debian + openbox I benefit from its repositories, so I would be happy if in the future I can use KDE to the last in debian thanks to this distro.
Looking at the range of distributions, wasn't Solusos already an end-user focused debian?
although solusos is based on debian stable and tanglu in testing, isn't the concept the same? It's just a doubt.
It's not the same at all ... I explained it in a comment above 😀
If there is no innovation, it is another one of the pile.
Hopefully this distribution if it has a happy ending, or if not, the same thing happens as always, each person leaves again for their preferred distribution.
I don't know ... it's that Debian works for me to death ... and without being an ax I don't remember any problem installing it ... with Ubuntu yes, many problems ... very often ... terrible, well this was before unity, maybe now they have improved. Another distro based on debian, well see if it was rolling maybe it encouraged me to try it.
If I have understood the note correctly then this Tanglu would be what Mint is to Ubuntu, right? In other words: a Debian for lazy. But doesn't SolusOS already exist for these types of users? I do not find sense of the project if we consider the following: 1) Debian will be differentiated little or nothing, 2) the public to whom Debian is directed is not interested in the type of distribution that they give you everything on a silver platter, plus It is either characterized by wanting to have greater control over the system, 3) the audience to which the project can be directed is already using Ubuntu, Mint, possibly SolusOS or another random distribution based on Debian or probably recently moved to such Manjaro or Arch and 4) installing and tuning Debian is the easiest thing in the world. Just add the non-free repositories and install the necessary packages. Situation similar to what you face with a newly installed Fedora. For all the above, I cannot find any incentive to test, recommend or install it.
You are absolutely right, but everyone wants to put their linux flavor and everyone does.
effectively
+1
Agree with you ;)!
another .deb more
SolusOS is more focused on giving you a gnome 3 as if it were gnome 2 and now they go to Pisi
but onlyOS will have a Consort desktop that can be installed on debian to have a classic environment
I believe that (interpreting what the author of "an announcement I thought I would never ever make" says) is what Ubuntu "was" in its beginnings. With the reasons that we know they caught us all before they started customizing gnome, which I think is not necessary since kde covers almost everything.
I think Ruffus- has nailed a lot of what he says. Besides, outside of the detail of the update mode, Tanglu would not be more than Debian testing with KDE, for which, worth the redundancy, just install Debian testing and KDE; And if it is to look for a distro that already does it and includes the proprietary drivers, it can be done as I just did: I went to Distrowatch, I searched with the indicated filters and I came to distros such as KANOTIX and Epidemic GNU / Linux, which are Debian testing + KDE. Therefore, I cannot see what is really new in Tanglu's proposal.
I say this to turn the matter around, nothing more, since I do not dislike the appearance of new distros at all, even though I always prefer to use the mother of lamb distro.
It doesn't seem like another LMDE but with KDE? When the Debian motherboard is frozen, will you send a pack with the updates? ... If there is a new version every six months, what is the difference with the LMDE packs?
The proposal is excited !!, but with KDE my bedside desktop. Let's see over time what form it takes or stops taking, on the other hand that other distros could not achieve what they wanted, it does not invalidate Tanglu automatically, right? We will see, we will see, then we will know!
at this point it is better to use debian directly
Ok .. What if you want to install KDE 4.10 right now for example? I know, compiling is the solution or am I wrong? 😛
Do you know what the name is based on? Is it an acronym? T (esting) ANGL (linux) U (ser)?
I've been searching and nothing ...
Well, no idea .. I have to ask .. It is true that it is not very beautiful ..
This is what the project leader told me on IRC:
In other words, what they were looking for was a name that was not generic, that is not used by anyone else and that sounded good in English, German and Portuguese.
thanks for always replying!
I subscribed to the list to spy and if I can collaborate, but do not enter the irc yet.
regards
It's a good idea for me but I think there are already too many and very good distributions. This is one more that will come out for the community to try it out and start talking to see how it goes. They may like it as they may hate it. When it comes out it will be the best but as someone said in a comment above, after testing it they will return to their original distro. Maybe it will get to something, maybe not.
I do not see the news, it is a distro based on other distros. Where is the news ?. A novelty would be a distro that starts from scratch. The rest is to patch Debian.
After LMDE and SolusOS comes Tanglu. I wish you luck, but I'm sticking with Debian.
Ugh, finally there will be a Debian that doesn't stink 😛
If the OOTB experience includes on-the-fly recognition of peripherals, automagic detection of hybrid video systems and the possibility of installing Steam and Desura among other commercial software, it will surely be a great goal… for the ñoños deianeros of course.
I haven't used aptosid for a long time -Sid stable and RR- but this distro promises to be much more.
I have no doubt that Tanglu is going to rock it, despite being Debian>: D
My grandfather already said it, a Debianita geek is better than an arrogant know-it-all ...
A greeting.
codelab
buaghhh, I can't stand derived distros, they're just patches, they make distros from scratch, and if they don't collaborate with the ones that exist, the rest is wasting time… ..
If it is not rolling release I prefer to continue with Debian Testing.
or at least monthly or bi-monthly updates.
But anyway, let's hope it will be fruitful, but it is not so much the lack of innovation but rather it is not a rolling release if it were RR, I am sure that even users of fedora, suse and others would at least want to try the distro.
I like this a lot, as I am going to update the hardware of my desktop pc, I am going to get sabayon and I was thinking of putting arch kde but with this I think I will wait and put tanglu ...
The truth is I don't see much sense. It seems to be another personal project, very commendable but that is going to stay there.
In the end we all return to suse, fedora, debian, sabayon etc ,,. At most we have a partition dedicated to testing and if something surprises us then it stays until the next release that receives enough support from the blogs we visit.
Personally I prefer suse for kde and debian with openbox.
Too bad arch, I don't know if it's me or my team but I can't get it to work decently. What are we going to do?
tanglu, a fiasco, nothing new, more of the same, total disappointment, I'll stick with debian 7 and surely debian 8 despite systemd.