I will start by clarifying that this is only a personal opinion and that it may be more or less divisible. Everyone knows me for having been amd's crybaby for a long time, many times I have complained around here that my radeon 4650 did not work well, that it had many problems and that although it had good 3d acceleration, in terms of 2d acceleration , I always had a very poor performance with the proprietary drivers, which was corrected a bit with the free drivers.
So it was last year, in December, when I decided to buy and build a new computer piece by piece, where everything worked the first time and I could live in peace. In the end I ended up buying a pc with an Intel core i5 3570k ( intel hd4000) and an nvidia gt620, to be able to test the difference that many people who recommended me nvidia, had sponsored me.
Finally after many tests and tests, I ended up staying with the Intel graphics, really surprised above all with the performance I obtained in chakra and kwin, but at the same time also happy with the performance in Ubuntu, where I could test games like tf2, the amnesia and others, without really any problem and with very little fps difference, compared to nvidia.
That's why I say, thanks Intel for all the work, thanks for keeping your driver open, thanks for the compatibility with vaapi, with the good 2d acceleration, for the frequent updates, thanks because I can use all the outputs of the mplayer without having tearing and thanks for having solved at least in my case, the flash tearing (chakra).
After all this I wonder, is it really worth buying a supplemental nvidia graphics, with the software we have on Linux? An Intel hd3000 / 4000 graphics does its job perfectly for those who do not want to spend a lot of money, since they not only come in the icore, but also in the Intel Pentium ivy bridge.
Intel graphics are the only ones that allow you to be able to use a free distro calmly and having the best acceleration without doing thousands of tweaks, and honestly the feeling that everything just works, that a kernel is not going to break my graphics and that With each kernel, I receive many important improvements, it is priceless.
So I can only say, thank you Intel and thank you for what you give to Open Source!
Viva sis Graphics 765
already have 3D acceleration on Linux?
I think neither sis nor via have it.
that was sarcasm hahaha
I have always had nvidia cards in my linux machines and have never had a problem, although I always install the drivers by downloading them directly from nvidia.
"Is it really worth buying a supplemental nvidia graphics, with the software we have on Linux?"
If it is worth a good nVidia (proprietary drivers) if you use for example Blender for rendering by GPU (With CUDA toolkit). The same for other programs that benefit from GPU acceleration. And I also suppose that when it comes to high-demand gaming performance, Intel lags far behind. Intel in graphics hardware still has a long way to go to catch up with the competition (and I was excited about the rumors where Intel would buy from nVidia). Even the best AMD APU outperforms the best of Intel in 3dMark more than twice.
But I totally give my support to Intel for maintaining a level free driver. Even my next CPU will also be an i5-3570k or i7-3770k, and I hope to have a good user experience when it comes to graphics and stationery.
PD almost offtopic: Have you been able to overclock the 3570k on GNU / Linux, or is it capped by kernel limitations?
I have it overlocked and I have not had any problems oO
How good!
Just to confirm, have you tested that the mic runs at the overclocked speed in GNU / Linux?
Because one thing is that in the BIOS configuration we have it overclocked, but another thing is that GNU / Linux allows that hardware to work at a higher speed than it can "read" in safe operation.
Right now from what I see, it runs at 4,2 Ghz, so I think everything is correct 😛
Ok, I stay more calm and spend a few more bucks on an overclockable CPU from the «K» series 😉
I have reservations about using a specification like CUDA that is proprietary and can only be used by NVIDIA, I prefer Opencl by far
Yes, I always prefer open specifications and / or implementations. But read that "I prefer" carefully. If in blender with CUDA at the moment the renders in time take much advantage of OpenCL, because I use CUDA.
Anyway I bet on OpenCL and that times will be shortened with better implementations.
By the way, as far as I know there are no high-requirement games on Linux, and if they came, if intel wanted they could run, I on windows and mac, I was playing 1920 x 1080, both black ops2 and 1 (this one on mac) , to batman arkam city, with the details in between, and I have always stayed at 30 fps, and if you overlock it a little, you reach 40 and for 90% of users who are not gamers, who are occasional players, it comes to them to spare. They should just improve the 3d table in Linux.
I'm not a gamer, I'm honest with you. If I have ever installed games, it has been just to test some new hardware, but I have never played them.
But I don't know if you know any "gamer". They want the latest game available in FullHD with the setting in ultra details and at good fps. Well, the truth today is that Intel does not have Hardware that can satisfy those characteristics.
Nor do I know if currently in GNU / Linux there are games that require so much, but I am sure that with the arrival of Steam (by the way, private games), there will be.
I am an xD gamer, and when I want to play on windows in ultra hd, I take my radeon 7870 and mount it, but generally I have plenty of intel, it consumes less and everything is fine ^^. Valve games are not games that require a lot, none.
Idem. You only had to mention that together with the performance and stability improvements in each release, they have much better support than their Windows counterparts. Although I love AMD, as long as I continue to use Linux every day, I will not think twice and opt for Intel.
Precious article! 😀
The author is INTEL
Joke, but although I have not had problems with my Integrated there are better.
Well, like that thanks NO.
These companies do nothing to do a favor, they see an opportunity in a market despised by AMD and with little momentum from Nvidia.
But there is no doubt that Intel's commitment to GNU suits us all.
Hopefully their good vision will pay off, because now that Nvidia looks favorably upon Steam in one of the most popular distros it could give the cake the biggest bite.
Let me see if I understand. So even if you do a good job and do it with opensource software ... "thanks but no"? ... I mean, if they don't do it selflessly and humanely, the work doesn't count, right? because that is what is implied.
As far as I know, no company does favors, they all want their slice of pizza and even I understand it, nor that my work and my products were made for the good of humanity ... they are made to earn money and with that improve the level of the people in X aspect.
The idea that I wanted to express is not that he does not accept his work or as a gift or that he does not value it.
But from that to paying homage to him for doing what his business vision sets, there is a long way to go.
In the same way that I cannot thank the government of my city for repairing the public lighting on the street where I live, come on, even if it helps me, that is their job.
The acknowledgments go to all those who do something for the common good without obligation and without having as a purpose any remuneration.
For Intel my appreciation for their vision and the consumption of their products.
The difference is that the company has as a priority to look after its interests
I think it is a nice gesture, to say thank you because in the process you contribute to a community that has many difficulties
But I understand your point
They are companies, they do what they do, not expecting a thank you but a ticket, why should we thank them?
Uff, finally a comment with criteria.
@nano +1
You're welcome, thanks to you for trusting me 😉
Hahahahah, great xD
I have my laptop with an intel chip, this one that I use now, and the truth is that my pc with Nvidia Privative works much better with my gt 440, on a core 2 duo 3..2Ghz, it runs much better than my laptop i3 2310M with intel driver , although the truth the intel have very good compatibility.
Man, the gt440 is not a low end! It's like saying that a laptop with a radeon 5670 runs better than an intel ... by the way, also that intel has hd3000 graphics ..., which is not as powerful as a 4000
nvidia recently released a new technology called optimus, which in a video card comes 2: an intel and an nvidia (all within nvidia). In windows when an application does not require so many graphics, it uses intel, and when an application that requires many graphics is opened, that program uses nvidia. This is more for laptops, since you save a lot of energy by not having nvidia always connected 😉 for linux these cards still don't work that well 🙁 a project called bumblebee was born that tries to do this, and in fact it already does! but not automatic; you have to open the programs saying to open it in intel or nvidia (:
you can check more here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bumblebee
a greeting (:
I've always used Intel .. maybe that's why I know about that stability you are talking about ..
Intel vs. nVidia.
I have both to compare, and although the Intel graphics are EXCELLENT in their drivers, if you compare it with a gt620, which is low-end, Intel is obviously preferable as both give a similar performance, but having better quality free drivers , you already know which one to choose.
Different thing if you compare it with a higher-end GPU.
In addition, depending on the PC you have, the GPUs will be faster (things like DDR5 memory and that) for more proprietary drivers that have to be installed (And thank goodness that those of nVidia do not give as many problems as those of AMD).
: )
Ami the g620 was fatal to me with compiz the truth and I could not use vdpau in window mode, only in full screen, but it would slow down the whole pc :(, in windows it was also bad, but hey, I overlocked it with the asus gpu tweak and it was more or less decent ...
I have an nvidia gt520 on a 64-bit debian OS and I would even say that it runs the same as in windows with the proprietary drivers found in the debian repositories.
I really consider that you cannot compare the power of an nvidia graphic against an intel, which also comes inside the microprocessor itself.
I would like to know how is the experience in linux of the amd with the ati graphics on the micro, which from what I understand, by putting an ati graphics card instead of canceling they complement each other
Actually a gt520 is in the 600, a 610, so it's really poor. and in any benchmark you will see that it is behind an intel hd4000
Here the tests
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/353960-33-4000-gt520
Yes, you mean APU + "discrete" graphics. I just have a "htpc" team that I have not finished building yet, in which I intend to test what you say with Apu Trinty A6 + a Radeon HD6670 ... I have the same question as you.
As I am not to play heavy games, an intel suits me well
I have always used AMD, since I like to play games. I was not born on Linux, little by little I am trying to use open source tools that do the same as the proprietary ones in Windows.
Not long ago I installed Kubuntu 12.10 x64 and installed the AMD drivers, with tutorials from the unofficial wiki for them. Everything is fine for me, I can calmly play counter-strike source, 150-300 fps and the temperature all good (56 ° C)
Little by little they are realizing the market that has been growing in Linux, and the drivers will improve, or so I think.
Greetings.
Too bad intel doesn't come out with a (complete) accelerator board, with similar performance to the radeon 7950 or better, or is a provider of graphics chips for good assemblers, like msi or gigabyte
Do not believe it, we will see how the new intel microprocessors, the hanswells, promise a lot for what they say.
I agree, in these moments when there is so much interest in GNU / Linux, the factors that can determine a winner would be hardware improvement by Intel to have a graphics that can compete with the high-end of Nvidia, (and every time comes a new line of processors is seen to advance by leaps and bounds) and improvement or release of drivers by Nvidia.
The company that bets the most in these areas will be the undisputed winner, because in this world of free software people make more informed decisions when buying their equipment and not only for advertising.
They will never make such powerful graphics, because the processor would cost 600 euros xD, 200 +400 of the graphics, that is not the sector of users that Intel wants, Intel wants that user who does not need a dedicated hyper-powerful graphic.
at the rate that things go cpz in 1 year it is not so powerful compared to others, and it would still be a good purchase option, if you wanted to, you could, there would be many interested buyers, more if it were completely free, but if the price would be something Very important, the cap should be 120 euros, without losing quality in any of its components. free and of excellent performance. how many things could come from something like that.
True, but there are already people who pay similar prices for an Intel CPU + Nvidia GPU combination. Surely they would not last to pay the same if they included the good free driver from Intel.
Everything depends on the hardware that Intel has in the future.
I would gladly buy a dedicated intel video card
I run with a performance of at least the 7850 http://www.gpureview.com/Radeon-HD-7850-card-678.html
The day that happens !, an intel i5, will not cost 200 euros, but 300….
Your comments are very interesting, and definitely an article that will bring a tail 😀
I only have one question for the author of this post:
When you say "divisible" do you mean "shared"? Because such a word does not exist in Spanish, only in Italian (and that happens, it lacks an 'i'), at least in our universe.
I am Italian, these errors are totally possible ...
You are very right. I have had an intel graphics since 2007, and it is fantastic. It has little memory, and it is very cheap, but few games have been bad for me when using windows, and I never had problems with graphics acceleration with any operating system. Neither with drivers, nor power nor anything, sincerely, Intel, has worked it out and hopefully now in 2014 with the next generation of processors and graphics, that everything continues as before, but better.