The news reaches me by FreeSoftwareV, and it is so well written that I prefer not to make my own version of the news, so I will leave the news in full:
After problems with its control stations the Navy decided, hiring Raytheon, change their control systems for unmanned aerial equipment such as their embarked helicopters. Your choice is to move to Linux.
MQ-8 Fire Scout - future user of GNU / Linux systems
"… Contract for efforts required to complete Linux transition on the tactical control system software for vertical take-off unmanned air vehicle ground control stations…"
With all-weather capabilities, these helicopters allow a "third eye" to assist the naval force in marksmanship. They have electrical, optical and infrared sensors, radar, laser marker and their own weapons system.
About RaytheonA memorable contractor for the armed forces of half the world, he represents a challenge to which he is prepared. With your acquisition of BNN Technologies -the first internet company with mastery of encryption technologies, mobile networks and military simulators- will try to replace tactical equipment with new ones with better immunity in the real world.
And here the news ends. Many thanks to FreeSoftwareV for the information.
I clarify that my comment was not saying that they celebrate it here, of course, they are reporting, but it is annoying that this use is going to be given to free software.
Thanks to freedom 0, military use is included, a nation has every right to exercise its sovereignty, what makes people angry is to know the way the USA exercises its 'sovereignty', they will also use it in drones [ 1] that they are going to bring to South America also with SL [2], and who knows how many brothers will fall victims of the abuses of the gringos. It is maddening to know that these abuses [3] are going to be done with GNU / Linux 🙁
I was expressing my outrage at the politics of the gringos. Cheers
The facts are these:
1. Private Software is no longer used in an organization with importance.
2. Free Software will be used instead.
3. This could increase the quality of drivers or number of Linux developers.
4. You could make other organizations or countries bet on the SWL in their institutions.
That's how I see it.
That the US will use it for war purposes? … Isn't that the same as what you've already done with Private Software?
Yes, there will be someone who says that. But the software is not bad, it cannot be. The evil can lie in people and in how they use the software. Evil can be done with soft. free or soft. privative.
Free Software, Linux is neither good nor bad ... it is only software, what to do with it (whether to use it as a smartphone OS like Android or as a missile OS) is something else.
The freedom to use it exists, the detail of "in what to use it or what to use it for" is left to the conscience of each one.
Now we are going to use linux to kill innocent people in wars. How good (or rather, than bad), we are on the right track ...
I'm a linux user, but I think the navy should develop its own programs for its weapons of war. If there is a disaster in any of these warships (God forbid), rest assured that Linux will be blamed for it. So it does not seem to me that it should be news that makes us happy, rather it is news that calls us to reflection ... Many people would not use any software, or product that is used by governments to kill people (and innocent people).
Yes to Linux for the general public, NO to Linux as a weapon of war.
You can do nothing, because the SL is free for everyone. The only people responsible for a possible military use are the people, not a series of codes that have no decision-making power.
I understand your position but this is a very ambiguous issue. Were computers made to hack bank accounts, do digital scams, and more? No.
Were computers made to control weapons, robots, and any other military instrument? No
So we can't blame those who invented or revolutionized computers, can we? The point is that whether it's a weapon or a computer, it is usually done with a purpose (defense and work in this case respectively), and it is a problem of the human being that uses the tool.
It is not the same, because you are comparing ... Linux with a firearm? O_O.
Better let's compare Linux with a kitchen or household knife.
I can take the knife and cut the vegetables from home, that makes it a very good tool, as well as I can take Linux and use it on my computer, which also makes Linux an excellent tool.
I too could take the knife and murder someone in the street, would that make the knife a bad thing?
It is the same with Linux friend.
A firearm only has one purpose, to do harm and / or to kill the opposite, while a general-purpose tool (like Linux and the knife) does not fall into the same classification, and is neither good nor bad, good or bad would be the user and his intentions.
On the other hand, it may certainly be unfortunate, but the reality is that technology often benefits from research carried out for war purposes, this is probably the case since the human being exists. A relatively recent example would be arpanet, which although created by a US defense agency, was practically the basis for the later development of the Internet.
In any case, the news certainly strengthens the position of many specialists who claim that the security and stability of Linux is not only caused by its lower market share.
Another classic example is simply: INTERNET.
The Internet was born in the US, as a military project, and then it grew a lot more, encompassing universities, and etc etc ... until it is today.
I do not agree with your position at all, if I accept that people are responsible for their actions, but they are not responsible for their creations. Is Marie Curie responsible for the development of nuclear bombs after discovering radioactivity? Radioactive instruments were also developed for medicine or the creation of thermonuclear plants. One is not responsible for its creation, but for its use.
Furthermore, the first computers were created to break codes in WWII, otherwise they would not have developed to what they are today. Even the internet began its use in the military.
That is not something anyone can handle, I do not choose my system because it is used or not used by someone. The problem is in that kind of limited thinking that thinks it can be bad or that Linux is going to be blamed; No one can blame any implementation of any system, simply because for things as specific as military software what matters is the implementation, the system will work depending on how they work it, and if heads are going to roll, rest assured that they will be that of those who implemented the system and not that of Linus or the system as such.
By God, the Hippie-type comments of "now they will use Linux to kill people" don't make sense ... yes, in theory they will use Linux to kill people, but Linux was not programmed for such a thing, it was programmed to be used wherever you want and its nature is to be 100% impartial, free ...
Here NOBODY celebrates that it is used for this type of purpose, because in fact that is atrocious, what is sought is to inform ... let the gringos do what they want with the system, criticize them and be anti-imperialist will not change anything at all, In fact, each giant falls under its own weight
What did they use before?
Similarly, stock exchanges around the world use Linux, and these have caused more people to die (of hunger, of course) than the drones of the Yankees.
By the way, BSD was not partly developed by the US forces? I remember reading it somewhere but now couldn't find it.
I suppose it is a decision that has to do with the recent news (from last year and the present) of espionage and cyber attacks received mainly and presumably from China ... it is natural that they want to "harden" their computer systems by opting for a unix-like OS.
Can I say I'm glad? The truth is not… I would rather continue to use Microsoft implementations….
What was missing hehe, I think that gnu-linux is a weapon "but of freedom", of course it depends on how you use the system or why, the one who tampers with the system is the one behind the pc.
I believe that it does not matter where Free Software is used, as long as it is used, and I imagine that the use made by the SL army will bring us benefits to a greater or lesser extent, perhaps.
blah blah blah, is all I hear, free software is as much theirs as ours, and the freedom of it is in the ends so that it is used, if they want to kill Jewish babies of color with it, go ahead, they will take care of the due agencies to punish such a slaughter, or if they want to create special operating systems for lepers with AIDS in Africa, go ahead! they are FREE TO DO WHAT YOU SEE WITH THE FREE SOFTWARE ...
It must be a very hard blow for free software developers and programmers to see that the work that with so much love and dedication made and made available to the public, now it will be used to murder civilians all over the world and destroy the infrastructure and livelihoods of entire societies. But one of the four freedoms of free software says it very clearly: The freedom to run the program for any purpose ....
Moral conditioning factors must be considered in other instances, not in software.
For example, much later I want to package for Debian, can you imagine that these drones carry Debian? I would end up improperly helping Uncle Sam kill innocents everywhere, right? A very hypothetical case clear. It just gives a lot of outrage
It is that what you say is ridiculous, you would not be helping in anything to kill people, neither indirectly nor directly. First of all because they are not going to use any package or even any repository.
Another is that neither you, nor I, nor many out there are going to package something that really helps or interests the gringo government.
Third, use Debian? lol, they are going to take the core pure and simple and from there they will do what they want, come on, there IS NO distro capable of doing something like that; in fact, what they need is not a desktop system but a low-level system (at the programming level) that talks to machines in encrypted languages… it's not like writing something in Python or C ++.
I do not know until when they will continue to be alarmed by something that, although it is not good or beautiful, is going to happen, we cannot avoid it and ... if we try to do it we would be hypocrites because it is very clear in the opensource philosophy and free software: The freedom to run the program for any purpose.
You did not understand the argument, the same happens with the linux kernel developers, do you think that Alan Cox thought about these uses when he actively contributed to the linux kernel?
That's why he said it was a hypothetical case. And I repeat: I was expressing my disagreement with the foreign policy of the United States government. I agree with the argument that the bad thing is the use that is given to the software ... But since they did not approve my other comment: - /
I do not know what you said before, or what this is about right now, but you can be sure of something, your comment if it has not been approved or it was not approved, it is because no admin has had time to do it .. 😉
«After problems with its control stations, the Navy has decided, hiring Raytheon, to change its control systems for unmanned aerial equipment such as its embarked helicopters. Your choice is to move to Linux »
Look at the size of the font ... This should be the case for comments and even for the Post itself
I was suffering with reading and when I began to read that padacito the size of the letters ufffff relaxed my eyes .. Please put everything like that with that font size 🙂
Well, if I'm not mistaken, the difference is not in the size of the font, but in its style. Anyway some browsers (like Firefox) support the combination of the control key with the plus / minus keys of the numeric keyboard to change the font size, I don't remember if it works in Chrome (I haven't used it for a long time), try to see.
Well, I do not see why so much problem that GNU / Linux is used by this or that institution or person ... that is what it is about, now, as they well point out in some comments above: -Everyone is responsible for the use given- and not therefore the operating system in question is responsible.
The truth is that these types of decisions do not surprise me ... the robustness and features that GNU / Linux possesses and offers in addition to its "price" are well known to all of us. The sum of all this moves many institutions and companies to use solutions free and reliable.
Correction, Red-Hat contributes, but the real work is done by about 20 people from different institutions together with Linus Torvalds. Anyway it would be necessary to investigate.
For me it is a government strategy to give bad publicity to GNU / Linux by programming the military with it. But it will play against them, because GNU / Linux is not just an OS, it is a very intellectual and very collaborative way of life. So GNU / Linux will end up changing the culture of the military…. Because there is something called the nature of the entity, and that does not change, I have used GNU / Linux since I was 11 years old (since I have a CPU), and now I am 29, and it is inherent to me to be supportive and intellectual, that is, to excel in everything besides being an excellent person, and that is the legacy of GNU + Linux ... Today I am a teacher, and my Linux students are all intelligent, capable and supportive ... That is, excellent students and excellent people.
It's funny because my students, when they saw me, started using Linux to know more than the other students, that is, to be "more" than their classmates, and then they end up being better people, not only with their classmates, but intellectually.
And that is the nature of GNU / Linux: to be supportive, capable and good people.
Excellent!!! now the gringos are going to use GNU / Linux to kill people all over the world !!! let's all celebrate !!! ¬¬
Nobody celebrates it, they just announce it
I clarify that my comment was not saying that they celebrate it here, of course, they are reporting, but it is annoying that this use is going to be given to free software.
Thanks to freedom 0, military use is included, a nation has every right to exercise its sovereignty, what makes people angry is to know the way the USA exercises its 'sovereignty', they will also use it in drones [ 1] that they are going to bring to South America also with SL [2], and who knows how many brothers will fall victims of the abuses of the gringos. It is maddening to know that these abuses [3] are going to be done with GNU / Linux 🙁
I was expressing my outrage at the politics of the gringos. Cheers
[1] http://www.kungfoosion.com/2012/07/el-comando-sur-enviaria-drones.html
[2] http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57449783-76/u.s-navy-turns-to-linux-to-run-its-drone-fleet/
[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0
The facts are these:
1. Private Software is no longer used in an organization with importance.
2. Free Software will be used instead.
3. This could increase the quality of drivers or number of Linux developers.
4. You could make other organizations or countries bet on the SWL in their institutions.
That's how I see it.
That the US will use it for war purposes? … Isn't that the same as what you've already done with Private Software?
from 4 to number 1, infinite recursion !!!
Will Raytheon's slogan be something like "Linux for war"?
Now then they say that Linux is bad because the US military uses it xD xD
Yes, there will be someone who says that. But the software is not bad, it cannot be. The evil can lie in people and in how they use the software. Evil can be done with soft. free or soft. privative.
Free Software, Linux is neither good nor bad ... it is only software, what to do with it (whether to use it as a smartphone OS like Android or as a missile OS) is something else.
The freedom to use it exists, the detail of "in what to use it or what to use it for" is left to the conscience of each one.
Now we are going to use linux to kill innocent people in wars. How good (or rather, than bad), we are on the right track ...
I'm a linux user, but I think the navy should develop its own programs for its weapons of war. If there is a disaster in any of these warships (God forbid), rest assured that Linux will be blamed for it. So it does not seem to me that it should be news that makes us happy, rather it is news that calls us to reflection ... Many people would not use any software, or product that is used by governments to kill people (and innocent people).
Yes to Linux for the general public, NO to Linux as a weapon of war.
You can do nothing, because the SL is free for everyone. The only people responsible for a possible military use are the people, not a series of codes that have no decision-making power.
When someone kills an innocent child with a firearm, is not the manufacturer of the weapon responsible too ..? or is it just the person who shoots ..?
We are all responsible for our actions or creations, so the consequences are seen in the third or fourth generation.
I understand your position but this is a very ambiguous issue. Were computers made to hack bank accounts, do digital scams, and more? No.
Were computers made to control weapons, robots, and any other military instrument? No
So we can't blame those who invented or revolutionized computers, can we? The point is that whether it's a weapon or a computer, it is usually done with a purpose (defense and work in this case respectively), and it is a problem of the human being that uses the tool.
It is not the same, because you are comparing ... Linux with a firearm? O_O.
Better let's compare Linux with a kitchen or household knife.
I can take the knife and cut the vegetables from home, that makes it a very good tool, as well as I can take Linux and use it on my computer, which also makes Linux an excellent tool.
I too could take the knife and murder someone in the street, would that make the knife a bad thing?
It is the same with Linux friend.
A firearm only has one purpose, to do harm and / or to kill the opposite, while a general-purpose tool (like Linux and the knife) does not fall into the same classification, and is neither good nor bad, good or bad would be the user and his intentions.
Very good answer.
On the other hand, it may certainly be unfortunate, but the reality is that technology often benefits from research carried out for war purposes, this is probably the case since the human being exists. A relatively recent example would be arpanet, which although created by a US defense agency, was practically the basis for the later development of the Internet.
In any case, the news certainly strengthens the position of many specialists who claim that the security and stability of Linux is not only caused by its lower market share.
Another classic example is simply: INTERNET.
The Internet was born in the US, as a military project, and then it grew a lot more, encompassing universities, and etc etc ... until it is today.
I do not agree with your position at all, if I accept that people are responsible for their actions, but they are not responsible for their creations. Is Marie Curie responsible for the development of nuclear bombs after discovering radioactivity? Radioactive instruments were also developed for medicine or the creation of thermonuclear plants. One is not responsible for its creation, but for its use.
Furthermore, the first computers were created to break codes in WWII, otherwise they would not have developed to what they are today. Even the internet began its use in the military.
That is not something anyone can handle, I do not choose my system because it is used or not used by someone. The problem is in that kind of limited thinking that thinks it can be bad or that Linux is going to be blamed; No one can blame any implementation of any system, simply because for things as specific as military software what matters is the implementation, the system will work depending on how they work it, and if heads are going to roll, rest assured that they will be that of those who implemented the system and not that of Linus or the system as such.
By God, the Hippie-type comments of "now they will use Linux to kill people" don't make sense ... yes, in theory they will use Linux to kill people, but Linux was not programmed for such a thing, it was programmed to be used wherever you want and its nature is to be 100% impartial, free ...
Here NOBODY celebrates that it is used for this type of purpose, because in fact that is atrocious, what is sought is to inform ... let the gringos do what they want with the system, criticize them and be anti-imperialist will not change anything at all, In fact, each giant falls under its own weight
In all the places except in the Disney studios !!
XD
What did they use before?
Similarly, stock exchanges around the world use Linux, and these have caused more people to die (of hunger, of course) than the drones of the Yankees.
By the way, BSD was not partly developed by the US forces? I remember reading it somewhere but now couldn't find it.
I suppose it is a decision that has to do with the recent news (from last year and the present) of espionage and cyber attacks received mainly and presumably from China ... it is natural that they want to "harden" their computer systems by opting for a unix-like OS.
Can I say I'm glad? The truth is not… I would rather continue to use Microsoft implementations….
What was missing hehe, I think that gnu-linux is a weapon "but of freedom", of course it depends on how you use the system or why, the one who tampers with the system is the one behind the pc.
I believe that it does not matter where Free Software is used, as long as it is used, and I imagine that the use made by the SL army will bring us benefits to a greater or lesser extent, perhaps.
blah blah blah, is all I hear, free software is as much theirs as ours, and the freedom of it is in the ends so that it is used, if they want to kill Jewish babies of color with it, go ahead, they will take care of the due agencies to punish such a slaughter, or if they want to create special operating systems for lepers with AIDS in Africa, go ahead! they are FREE TO DO WHAT YOU SEE WITH THE FREE SOFTWARE ...
The navy and even me… .heheheejjee
It must be a very hard blow for free software developers and programmers to see that the work that with so much love and dedication made and made available to the public, now it will be used to murder civilians all over the world and destroy the infrastructure and livelihoods of entire societies. But one of the four freedoms of free software says it very clearly: The freedom to run the program for any purpose ....
Moral conditioning factors must be considered in other instances, not in software.
Totally agree, that's what I mean.
For example, much later I want to package for Debian, can you imagine that these drones carry Debian? I would end up improperly helping Uncle Sam kill innocents everywhere, right? A very hypothetical case clear. It just gives a lot of outrage
But anyway….
It is that what you say is ridiculous, you would not be helping in anything to kill people, neither indirectly nor directly. First of all because they are not going to use any package or even any repository.
Another is that neither you, nor I, nor many out there are going to package something that really helps or interests the gringo government.
Third, use Debian? lol, they are going to take the core pure and simple and from there they will do what they want, come on, there IS NO distro capable of doing something like that; in fact, what they need is not a desktop system but a low-level system (at the programming level) that talks to machines in encrypted languages… it's not like writing something in Python or C ++.
I do not know until when they will continue to be alarmed by something that, although it is not good or beautiful, is going to happen, we cannot avoid it and ... if we try to do it we would be hypocrites because it is very clear in the opensource philosophy and free software: The freedom to run the program for any purpose.
You did not understand the argument, the same happens with the linux kernel developers, do you think that Alan Cox thought about these uses when he actively contributed to the linux kernel?
That's why he said it was a hypothetical case. And I repeat: I was expressing my disagreement with the foreign policy of the United States government. I agree with the argument that the bad thing is the use that is given to the software ... But since they did not approve my other comment: - /
I do not know what you said before, or what this is about right now, but you can be sure of something, your comment if it has not been approved or it was not approved, it is because no admin has had time to do it .. 😉
Not approved? Right now I check the comment boxes, we do not disapprove of comments friend 😉
PS: The Akismet filter is already bothering me enough ¬_¬
It was not the filter, that is, yes, but with good reason, because the comment had several links and you know that that could be SPAM.
Hey the part where it says:
«After problems with its control stations, the Navy has decided, hiring Raytheon, to change its control systems for unmanned aerial equipment such as its embarked helicopters. Your choice is to move to Linux »
Look at the size of the font ... This should be the case for comments and even for the Post itself
I was suffering with reading and when I began to read that padacito the size of the letters ufffff relaxed my eyes .. Please put everything like that with that font size 🙂
Well, if I'm not mistaken, the difference is not in the size of the font, but in its style. Anyway some browsers (like Firefox) support the combination of the control key with the plus / minus keys of the numeric keyboard to change the font size, I don't remember if it works in Chrome (I haven't used it for a long time), try to see.
Well, I do not see why so much problem that GNU / Linux is used by this or that institution or person ... that is what it is about, now, as they well point out in some comments above: -Everyone is responsible for the use given- and not therefore the operating system in question is responsible.
The truth is that these types of decisions do not surprise me ... the robustness and features that GNU / Linux possesses and offers in addition to its "price" are well known to all of us. The sum of all this moves many institutions and companies to use solutions free and reliable.
So are the Yanks, then they will say that without them Linux would be nothing and that we owe them our lives and Freedom.
Hehehe, relatively possible.
Well the Linux kernel is developed mainly by Ret Hat company .. which is a state-owned company
Correction, Red-Hat contributes, but the real work is done by about 20 people from different institutions together with Linus Torvalds. Anyway it would be necessary to investigate.
lol xD
killlinux
For me it is a government strategy to give bad publicity to GNU / Linux by programming the military with it. But it will play against them, because GNU / Linux is not just an OS, it is a very intellectual and very collaborative way of life. So GNU / Linux will end up changing the culture of the military…. Because there is something called the nature of the entity, and that does not change, I have used GNU / Linux since I was 11 years old (since I have a CPU), and now I am 29, and it is inherent to me to be supportive and intellectual, that is, to excel in everything besides being an excellent person, and that is the legacy of GNU + Linux ... Today I am a teacher, and my Linux students are all intelligent, capable and supportive ... That is, excellent students and excellent people.
It's funny because my students, when they saw me, started using Linux to know more than the other students, that is, to be "more" than their classmates, and then they end up being better people, not only with their classmates, but intellectually.
And that is the nature of GNU / Linux: to be supportive, capable and good people.