After installing Ubuntu 12.10 on my computer to test the updated version of Unity and verify that it is stable (did not hang up on me in 1 week), and the Compiz plugin that replaces gnome-shell en Ubuntu By default, I found a desktop that doesn't suit my way of working, and what's worse, it's the flag of GNU / Linux for most new members of the Linux ecosystem.
There are a series of ethical values in the development of GNU / Linux that go beyond freedom, such as making more and more people able to use free software if they want.
And yes, we can show them a desktop cube or special effects that they will think are from Matrix, but it can't be that to do my daily work the user interface uses 130 mb of ram (Compiz after several hours of use) and makes me waste means.
Besides that technically Ubuntu patches Gnome to limits that I cannot explain. That is the reason why he does not behave Unity to other distros, because getting it to work in the same distribution Unity y gnome-shell it's hard work. Ubuntu it patches even the same GTK (Gnome Graphical Interface Base) libraries and is not efficient or effective.
So I think, Fedora shows a more open attitude and may be more helpful, but gnome-shell is a Unity more simply, the RAM is also shredded in special effects, apart from the fact that in Fedora 18 an installer was included in almost alpha state, but that is another story.
And without any sign of recovery from GNOME, there is its namesake Qt, KDE SC, which is highly customizable and does not force you to a way of use, rather you think it is a lack of control and where should I configure things, because it can get over You.
But I can disable effects, or semantic search (Nepomuk). Do not force yourself, it is a work of art and has great advantages, but it is impossible to have a productive desktop on the penguin operating system without any GTK application, such as Firefox, Gimp, Inkscape, the improvements without a doubt, no matter how hard one of the projects I value the most in free software, the Chakra-Linux distribution, tries to do so.
So I come to this conclusion, GNOME He is neither here nor expected, he is on a journey through the desert and cannot seem to find the exit to the labyrinth in which he has entered. KDE SC little by little it assumes the role that GNOME 2 had and meanwhile, the distributions little by little improve, but the fragmentation is serious.
Ubuntu has the best installer, Debian is the most stable, Fedora the one that updates the most and here appears the hidden distro that many ignore and that was the reference before the couple Ubuntu-GNOME 2: Mageia, which meets the requirements that are asked of it and maintains a pleasant user experience always thanks to KDE.
By the way, it is the only distro that I know of that releases versions with the difference that many linuxers ask for, one month up or down. I will dedicate another post to talk about Mageia, the hidden magic.
Since the launch of gnome 3 I have really felt somewhat orphaned as an end user since I have been using Ubuntu since about version 8.10 and when they came with that Unity witchcraft, well it seemed good to me and everything that they innovated and had their own personality, more still oriented to the left since I am left-handed, however, I had to settle with Kde for productivity reasons and well, it is a change of philosophy very focused on touch screens, when I have an All In One with Touch Screen, perhaps be a great option.
On the other hand, getting a good distribution with Kde is not an easy task, Opensuse is a very good distro of German stature, but its Kde is very heavy, and it depends heavily on Yast to do everything, Chakra's are hipters with respect to using Gtk libraries, so in the last few days that Canonical got rid of Kubuntu and the guys at Blue Systems took over, Kubuntu has become my distribution of choice. It is stable, fast and powered by the best application repository that Ubuntu offers you, others will forgive me but it must be admitted that it is the most complete.
But as they commented out there, at the end of the day we are all using the Gnu / Linux kernel, we must not put ourselves with those religious extremisms around a specific distribution, the most that can happen is that you get distro hopping and well that it is another story.
Very interesting, I agree. Although I am not very interested in Mageia. And as much as they say that there are tools to improve the integration of GTK applications in KDE, it is simply not the same.
Good post…
Everything is a matter of taste. Now, if I wanted to give users an environment like Gnome2, it would not be with KDE, but with Xfce. 😉
As always with these posts on desktops, it comes down to the same thing: it's a matter of taste.
Now, I believe that the best option to obtain a Gnome 2 type desktop is, more than Xfce, LXDE, which is also very functional and consumes very few resources.
Greetings.
Yes, LXDE is a very good option, but it lacks some things that Xfce has ... but as you say, a matter of taste 😀
Ubuntu, everyone knows that it is not a democracy, and if you are in Ubuntu you bravely assume what it represents. Fedora works well with KDE, but it also goes the same way as gnome3, fedora is good with Xfce, give it a try, I recommend it. Mageia, it seems very slow to me, with kde. Cheers
Sometimes it seems like everything is going bad in the desktop realm. As I said when I wrote "Where do we go with modern desks?", We are going to have a difficult time.
Anyway, I've been using elementaryOS for a few days and I liked it. Not much in the shell aspect, but with the applications so well designed that they have one you cannot complain. They have truly realistic and usable HIGs.
KDE. KDE is very useful. And if you want a browser, use Konqueror, with Webkit. It is the best, although it has a design a bit stuck in the past when it comes to navigating.
I keep finding that Ubuntu has a good strategy, four images for four different hardware profiles / user interests:
- Ubuntu: Good Hardware / Basic User Profile
- Kubuntu: Good Hardware / Power User Profile, who likes to customize
- Xubuntu: Intermediate Hardware / Nostalgic User Profile, W95 style
- Lubuntu: Bad Hardware / Nostalgic / Advanced User Profile
It only remains for Bhodi Linux (Ubuntu With E17) to become one of the official Ubuntu images (Ebuntu?)
I don't know if I have understood correctly, gnome-shell is more functional than Unity !!! Wuala, what you have pulled out of your sleeve, surely what you need from a desk is not even close to what I need. The other day I installed Android in Virtualbox and it is more functional for desktop than gnome-shell.
I used Fedora 17 and the experience was nice while it lasted. This version has left me a bad taste in my mouth, a not very orientative installer, if you are not careful you load the partition scheme, SElinux impossible to carry.
Gnome-shel 3.4 after hard work I left it as is for my needs, and with this I say that a decent windows-list is requirement number 1. With 3.6 most of the extensions that I used to use have not been updated Finally, fundamental parts have been delegated to third parties. And the tracker, in 3.4 was controllable, in 3.6 is a spoiled child….
Cinnamon, my god, for what it is, it's not worth it.
And that's the way things go, like it or not, the most decent thing in gtk is Unity.
For the rest, kde far exceeds all the waste of useless code that is being generated around gnome.
Forgive me the drake community but Mageia 2 needs some more stability, it is the typical distro that one day because it stops starting, in a work environment it would give problems. However I like the concept of control centers like the YaST (opensuse), I applaud that they keep that of Mandriva. I don't know if PClinuxOS has a control center too.
I would like Mageia 3 to do a little better, it must be said that Mageia 2 came out at a critical moment in terms of the systemd implementation. Other distros were more cautious, opensuse delayed 12.2 several months.
It is very difficult to define a good environment or distro. The main thing is that it be productive. But beauty is also important.
I use XFCE with Gnome-Do and Compiz (and I was thinking of adding Conky) and it is true that the add-ons consume more resources but also make XFCE more productive.
From what seems to me the first thing to take into account is to choose which desktop environment best suits our needs and then choose a distro that gives excellent support to that environment and has the most suitable programs in the repository. we use, it does not matter if they are updated to the latest or not.
I agree with you.
It is depending on the distro the use of the desktop. Example in Debian I see it more adapted to gtk and gnome, where it gets lost in qt and KDE. Counterpart openSUSE and Chakra are perfectly suited to qt and KDE.
Although, Slackware and Gentoo are perfect on qt, gtk and KDE.
Yep, even if they support multiple environments, you will always see a "favorite" one.
In fact, you cannot say that one is better than the other, because there are people for each of them.
In my case, although some may not believe me, Gnome-shell is the one that has allowed me to be more productive, and the reason I think is that it does not distract me with too many "accessories" and allows me to concentrate more easily on my work.
I use XFCE but MATE or fork of gnome2 as you like it is the classic and configurable desktop wherever you look at it, I don't know why in Linux so much time is wasted in inventing desktops, when everything is already invented, it is as if now the monitors start to come out hexagonal or triangular, hahaha, it would be stupid to modify the screens when there is already an established and optimal model, that is, rectangular or square. 🙂
Don't think it's all made up. It's been a long time since the classic Windows-like desktop needed to be revamped, and here is where Gnome-Shell appears, offering a clean and productive environment without distractions.
For me, who has always been from KDE, the Gnome-Shell thing was the change that I had been waiting for for a long time, and given my choice, I prefer Gnome-Shell and, failing that, Mate, a nice and simple desktop.
So much lack of control, for nothing Xfce is the best option for those who used Gnome2, I don't know why they fight so much for Gnome-Shell, just don't take it into account if they don't like it. Pretend that it is still a desktop in development that has not found the essence of a desktop ... .. and Kde is the most respectable desktop at the moment, YES, it is the one with the highest consumption, but they hope that a 2013 software does not consume memory, while increasing your visual appeal and capabilities.? Any pc from 2004 to here can maintain 300 to 400 mb of consumption (this without optimization, since it can only consume 150mb).
Greetings, just take what you like there are quite a few environments to choose from.
I really don't know if this article is about Unity vs Gnome vs KDE, the GTK vs Qt applications or Ubuntu vs Fedora and the poor little Maeguia that nobody pays any attention to, since you have forgotten the chameleon. (Of course it was camouflaged, you haven't seen them).
For the rest, it is a rather subjective, personal and little elaborate opinion that one can have when sitting on the ceramic throne, in those intimate moments and in which one usually thinks a little of everything
I totally agree with you deviltroll.
No "poor little Mageia" is second in Distrowatch behind MInt. I know that Distrowatch is not the exact measure, but it marks the fact that many Linux users are looking for other alternatives to the more "popus", and it is, in my opinion, a fact to take into account for the current large distros.
Nobody pays attention to Mageia, he says! xD
Wait for the stable version to come out and you will see how the USERS (not developers or fans, simple home-leisure end users) will turn upside down, especially with word of mouth recommendations.
Mageia has left me surprised at the ease of use, starting with the installation where you have the possibility to choose what or not to put, avoiding a lot of unwanted software and libraries (that reminded me of the old OSuse that I fell in love with and made me dive right into to the linux world), then the ease of installing sources and software (there is not much difference with other distros that have an extreme ease of installing software), and the vast list of software in their repositories, only comparable to the by Arch.
I was never able to test Mandriva, but if this way of working had it then that distro, and taking into account that most who worked with it are now with Mageia, I would not be surprised if it displaces Ubuntu itself in number of new Linux users not developers or within the technical computing environment.
+1
I have the same opinion
I have kde, gnome (shell) and unity on the same computer and in the same distro, which is not ubuntu, the ubuntu ones do not carry it, for exclusivity, but that all three work on the same computer is not a problem , especially with ubuntu packages, which put the name of the distro in the package (it is easier, to avoid them, or omit to install them) and that in the free world, sources are available. to me with having the rss in the background (thanks conky), and even if it touched a tiled environment, where you can use a console or replace the bbrun with alt + f2 that's enough for me, the menus with categories and subcategories to the long they waste time and are boring, the practicality of unity, as well as the shell goes that way, with two or three keystrokes, you save a lot of mouse movements, that when one is on the laptop you feel,
I think that little by little, people are going back to basics, like when there was only a keyboard and no mouse, there are specific tasks where it is impossible to do without a mouse, but for simple tasks, it is much more practical to do without the mouse (or pad) , and the good thing is that the movement (transition) is imperceptible, but marked and the destination of this change or current is the tactile environment, where each time it is more common to hear from 10 simultaneous pressure centers (10 fingers). where you can have the keyboard and movement (point and point), as close as possible.
things like software control centers, synaptic or similar, take away a little the grace and essence to build and manage the distro, things like urpmi, aptitude and yaourt (which for me with the -Syua takes the prize, but than aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade), in their way they are, in my opinion, more practical, than a set of sentences that installs a set of packages and suggestions based on statistics, (because one does not always use the equipment being guided by the statistics that sent another user).
The first time I touched a mandriva server, with kde in the administration, it really was something that shocked me, since a couple of years ago honestly. the good thing is that the ctrl + alt + f [2-6] are always waiting for me 🙂
And what I really enjoy is when you can copy the whole / etc folder and pass it to another distro, or that a home can be shared between several distros and it is really that (home). regardless of the preferences or fanaticisms that each of us may have because after all we continue to use a GNU \ LinuX.
regards
This is more of a post than a comment, ha. I agree that the keyboard is being used more, it is more productive.
I didn't know that Unity could be installed on Arch, but I'm not going to test it anyway, heh.
Hello, how are you @ passing by here, I would like to know what method or step you used to install unity in Arch and I wanted to try it, but ubuntu gives me errors in Efi enable which Arch has never done to me, not to mention that it is my preferred distro , but right now I'm going through a desktop identity crisis: Yes, I await your answer or a link, Greetings!
Hello, it's just a matter of following the wiki, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/UnityYou can do it both ways, if you compile it takes time and a couple of gigs of space, but it can be done (a while ago there was no repos for x64 and there was the ayatana 🙂)
I still think that until Consort comes out with SolusOS PISI we will not see a good replacement for the old Gnome 2.
That project looks very good. If they manage to land it as they have planned, it would be nice if they released it to be able to use it in other distros, but piano piano let's let the stages pass as they should be.
I feel like it's the desktop option that the Gnome workgroup left behind and focused only on touchscreen and 3D.
Well, according to Ikey, the desktop will not be exclusive to SolusOS, but it will be compatible with all distros that have GTK3.6
Slackware + kde works great !!
Long live Slack !!!!
Long life!!! hug slacker mate.
Slackware + KDE = Boringly stable!
Stop arguing for the DE. Stop customizing and start working.
Long live Slack
Then they say that Slackers are few!
Every day I like Slackware more.
It's not that Slackers are few, I think it's just that the community is not as visible as Ubuntu, Fedora or the covered distro, on sites like LinuxQuestions you can see a bit.
Unfortunately, and laziness to google, I do not know a current Slackware community in Spanish that is wide, out there there are two or three sites from some countries but nothing in general.
Everything is a matter of taste and needs, and personally I have done very well with Kubuntu 12.10, not so with Chakra, Mageia, OpenSUSE, Sabanyon and Ubuntu because I could not adapt them to what I work.
I found Pear Linux (emulating MAC) and tried it on version 5, then 6 and finally 6.1, which I abandoned because I was testing the others with KDE.
But now I went back to look for it and I downloaded the alpha of Pear 7 64 and I would like to give it a taste, because it is with everything you need and it is very fast, so much that I hardly use Kubuntu anymore.
Wenas ..
I sincerely like the post .. and the comments a lot ..
If we spin a little fine, we find experiences, tastes and practicality ... always depending on what you want to do with the machine ...
It is good to argue the improvements we find in one environment or another, but always under the idea that what could or is ideal for one, not always going to be for our partner.
I have only been in this world for 3 months ~ .. and I must admit that I felt obfuscated with the environmental choices that were offered to me ... because there is always something missing or excess (according to my criteria) .. ..and the most practical thing for me and the way I work..I was satisfied with my ArchLinux with OpenBox .. ..and surely for someone else it is not comfortable, pleasant or efficient to develop on their computer ..
At the end of the day we have the freedom to choose .. ..and that is the most important thing .. ..we support the idea of being able to share what we have .. and to be able to have this great variety at our disposal .. 😉
From already thank you very much..
RAW-Basic ..
Pear is, without offending you, a bad copy of elementary with many additions, that they go directly to meet an attack on the HIG proposed by the elementary team and that they use without giving credit for it
Sometimes we forget how really well LXDE works. After going through Gnome 2, Shell, KDE and XFCE; it gave me a pleasant surprise.
True, LXDE is great and I still use it on my Debian desktop PC, and it tends to be more stable than other environments.
Excuse me but I disagree slightly, I use Fedora with GNOME and for me this is fine, it is just my opinion, it is neither that of many nor that of few users, but I don't think I am the only GNOME user there are many people interested in GNOME 3, not all of us have been using Linux for years and we are not the only ones who are going to use it. Time to time.
Use XFCE and you will save yourself all those problems that you mention.
You can use Xubuntu if you like Ubuntu, Linux Mint Debian Edition if you prefer something more standard and closer to Debian, but easy to install and configure. And, of course, you can use Debian and install XFCE and avoid having to reinstall your operating system ever again. 😉
JEsuSdA salu2 8)
You forget something, it is very stable.
And it is highly configurable, and it is combined (for example) with Compiz, Cairo-Dock, Conky ... and with LOTS of IMAGINATION it can easily surpass KDE or Gnome.
But the limit is in one and as far as your imagination goes
I like mageia because it is the heir to mandriva, which was always my beloved distro when my VGA AMD was a nightmare, now it is a trivial thing, but honestly it is still an alpha, beta-flavored, even in its stable version
I think it will have the necessary maturity when its third version comes out, and I think they realized that they could really be number 3, and that is why they extended the testing period a little more, well ... I at least continue with fedora 17 (f18, it's just infumable, unstable, buggy shit)
ROSA linux is the distro that has been kicking the butt of the well-known and popular Linux distros. If you did not try it, I recommend it ... then tell your experiences!
I haven't heard from Rosa for a long time.
Redirecting to the official page of the project in 3, 2, 1 ...
ROSA Linux is excellent, the bad thing that in these parts they only talk about the deb ...
Does Rosa Linux have enough programs in its repositories? , Can you install programs like FreeCad ?.
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Fedora is a magnificent distro as long as it is used with KDE, the rest of the environments personally are no longer to my liking xD
Testing Fedora 18 with MATE desktop environment, it suits us nostalgics, and for those of us who come from Ubuntu and when Debian was Debian. Cheers
Every so often a debate like this is proposed, where it is impossible to reach a conclusion above subjectivity. Everyone has their tastes ... and based on this condemns the other options. And that, no matter how much knowledge the commentator has.
In my case, I have the problem that I don't like many of the things Ubuntu people do, but, by far ... it is the distro that gives me the least headaches, for years and despite the fact that I always give opportunities to distros like Fedora. I therefore accept it as a lesser evil. I am also one of those who are delighted with the path taken by Gnome, whose criticisms always have version 2 as their ultimate origin, something that should be outdated as something of the "paleolithic" in the post-PC era. Little by little they are making an integrated whole, without closing doors thanks to the extensions. Without going any further, the next version 3.8 will include an extension for an experience similar to Gnome 2…. similar to that initial Mint before developing Cinamon.
In short, there are many grateful to the Gnome team and trusting in an increasingly better product.
Interesting the INFO…. I prefer Fedora with KDE… KDE is the desktop that suits me best and the one that I find the most customizable… with its errors like all but it is the one I like the most 😀
I have tried everything, I started with KDE, then Gnome Shell, Mate, and finally Unity with Ubuntu 12.10 and beta 13.04 (these days)
Finally I stick with Unity. Gnome Shell and Unity are the most productive desktops that I have tried, but finally Unity takes better advantage of the workspace, presents the applications better, and is just as visual and productive as Gnome Shell only in another aspect. Let's say I see Unity more mature and better focused.
I think that of those mentioned, not the ones that exist, mageia takes all the awards in the installer, especially compared to Fedora 18 (it's disgusting what they have done with something that was so good), and compared to debian Although it is very complete, for newbies it is not very pleasant.
For the rest, I can say ... that mageia is more stable than Fedora in terms of updates, and it is understandable, because they do not always have the latest, Debian is another market, another song, it is for the server, Ubuntu, Fedora or mageia cannot be compared with Debian, for that we should talk about slackware or CentOS.
In what I know about Fedora, I can tell you that every day the quality of its packages is worse, every day they are encouraged more to launch things in alpha or beta state and with known bugs, the truth ... is leaving much to be desired.
It is not understood what the post is about, yes, to hit Gnome-Shell, it goes by what it shows ... Now it turns out that KDE is the one loved by the community ... first they complained that Linux was a headache to configure ... I advance and now with gnome-shell you do not configure so much, they also complain ... anyway in LATAM there is no linuxero happy ... and then they wonder why there are "few" Linux blogs in Spanish
I've been testing you since Ubuntu 8 and mandriva 2009, since Mageia came out I don't know why whenever I start testing, I end up in Mageia. I have version 3 installed and it works great, the only thing I find is that it is a bit slow when starting (I think it is more of a KDE problem) but the rest is perfect, customizable, stable, fast, you can't ask for more . And one of the advantages I see is its remake period. I don't need to be changing version every six months… ..
But there are many people who do not like KDE. I prefer a lightweight desk even if it is not so picturesque. Now I do not move from linux mint MATE.