Ubuntu is undoubtedly the distribution that causes the most controversy among users of GNU / Linux. Some adore it, others hate it ... The reasons? Here are some examples:
- Ubuntu benefits from the work developed by the team of Debian and it does not reward the effort.
- Ubuntu add packages that are only supported on this distro and not on the parent distro (Debian).
- Ubuntu has behind a company and a man (Shuttleworth) which aims to profit first and foremost.
- Ubuntu it does not have the opinion of its users and imposes its changes as if it were Windows or OS X.
- Ubuntu it is unstable, they only worry about launching it every 6 months whether their packages work or not.
- Ubuntu copy to OS X.
- Ubuntu=Winbuntu
Anyway, these are some of the arguments with which I come across every day and for which, makes Ubuntu is a hated distribution within The Community of GNU / Linux.
If I have to be honest, I do not agree with some of them, although that depends on the point of view from which you look at it. I am not saying that the contribution and retribution of Ubuntu to Debian is null, but it is true that they could contribute much more than what they currently contribute. And if they do, I have not heard.
The fact that they add packages only for this distribution (Unity for example), or even, that they have their own PPAs and that some do not work in Debian, it does not make them worse or better than anyone else. Yes Debian (or any other distribution) it is not compatible with certain packages or their dependencies, it is simply because they do not want to.
Why? Well, because in general, each package in the repository has its source code, and already with this, it is enough for other distributions to adopt certain applications that only appear in Ubuntu.
I've always asked myself the same question, what's wrong with Mark Shuttleworth want to recover with Ubuntu y CanonicalHow much money you invested from your own pocket to create this distribution and company respectively? I've honestly never seen anything that I've done Mark Shuttleworth o Ubuntu that exceed the limits of ethics or violate the 4 freedoms of Open Source.
That the Community of Ubuntu It is not exactly the most listened to it is true, but you have to use apathy and take both sides. Is it possible to please millions of users around the world? I don't think that is reasonably possible.
If i think Ubuntu should have a more stable release cycle, or at least something similar to what you have Debian. Developing software, polishing its operation, correcting its errors and leaving it 100% functional every 6 months and against the clock, I don't think it is a good practice. This makes Ubuntu It can be truly unstable, although yes, at least to me in the time that I used it, it never gave me any serious error to bury it in the bowels of my hard drive.
What Ubuntu copy to OS X? True, many details in the design of Unity They are a true copy of OS X, even from its predecessor NextStep And that? What is the problem? On the contrary, many users who like OS X and they can't afford to buy it, they may feel comfortable having something similar and free, or it may just make the transition to Linux of users of OS X.
Bad or good, Ubuntu has marked a before and after in the history of GNU / Linux. Whether they like it or not, we must accept that thanks to its marketing, and all the philosophy behind creating a simple and easy-to-use distribution, thousands of users approached it for the first time. GNU / Linux, although after they have run to take refuge in other distributions.
I do not use Ubuntu nor its derivatives simply because I am comfortable with Debian, but I am one of those who think that, like Fedora, openSUSE, Archlinux…, It's a great distribution.
What I do not agree with some decisions that their developers have made? What do i think Unity isn't it maybe the best shell there is? It's true, but there is nothing inside the world Open Source that has no solution or alternative.
Anyway, there is little left for the launch of Ubuntu 12.10 And if you are one of those users who wants a friendly distribution, I recommend that you take a look. Always remember that you have other alternatives: Linux Mint, SolusOS, PCLinuxOS, Debian, openSUSE… Etc.
I am a Debianite to death, but we have to recognize that Ubuntu is a perfect system for curious people who are anchored in the Windows world. As Stallman says, Ubuntu is not the goal, it is just a big step in the right direction.
Not really. Ubuntu today is one of several options for those users and it is very reckless to say that it is the perfect alternative.
Windows users who want to switch to free software generally want something that is visually very similar to Windows so that it is familiar to them, but without worrying about internal bugs and malware.
Generally, most people are more struck by KDE at first glance because it is more similar to Windows 7 than other environments, and of course, those users do not know what a graphical environment is, they think that what they see in it desktop the operating system itself.
I agree with your comment, I install Ubuntu for all my friends and I always get someone to use it as the main OS, it always works the first time and it is easy for me to give advice and maintenance. In my case, I am a faithful user of the chakra project. ^ ___ ^
Quite agree with the post!
I use Unity and I really like it. I have tried other environments but I find this one fast (not light) and efficient. As long as you can install other environments to Ubuntu, it is normal for them to set one by default, and I will not criticize them if they choose it.
Hi, I have been an Ubuntu user for a few years until a few months ago I jumped to Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) and then Debian, to think that I will stay in it indefinitely.
There are a couple of things I don't agree with you on. First, wanting to copy OS X or Windows is not necessarily a bad thing, in fact Ubuntu has helped popularize Linux more than many other traditional distributions including the mother distribution, Debian. We may like it more or less, but let's be honest we like that LInux is used and has more and more support at the user level.
Second, that Cannonical is a company and what it wants are benefits, it is not bad, on the contrary, because it will only generate benefits if it manages to like more and more users. It is true, that this is incompatible with how little heard the Ubuntu community is, I hope this will be corrected, because I think it is not the right way.
For the rest, it is true that even if you get used to Unity, I never quite liked it, what's more, now I'm with gnome3 and its gnome-shell and I like it better than Unity, although they are not the same.
Greetings and except for these two points, the truth is that Ubuntu has its advantages and disadvantages that we more or less agree.
Well, it seems to me that I did not understand well in the article, because at no point have I said that I consider it bad that Ubuntu copies OS X and that Canonical has benefits, or if?
I think Israelem did not read the entire article but only the points you made at the beginning. And he drew conclusions based on that alone. I invite you to read it in full so you can see that your argument does not make sense.
What you say is the same as above.
There are several points that attract attention.
Point # 3: Canonical is a company and as a company it has to subsist in a way, is there something wrong?
Point # 4 I would think about it. As a company they have to have a kind of board of directors and responsible for making decisions, I think they should take note of some suggestions And how do you know that Apple and Win do not know what their users think ? Do you have contacts?
Point 5 # There is nothing to comment. 100% agree.
Last point .Ubuntu = Winbuntu. . Explain it better please.
First of all, these points of view are not mine, but the ones I hear on a daily basis, which leads to answering your following questions:
- I do not know, nor am I interested in Apple or Microsoft listening to their users, nor do I have contact with them.
- Ubuntu = Winbuntu is something that many users say, that is, Ubuntu is OpenSource Windows, for some of the points mentioned above.
regards
Elav, I think the structure of the post was not the most appropriate. Apparently people only read the points and think that is your opinion about it, and they jump to comment without reading the rest of the article.
It is true that we can be more or less in agreement with Canonical's decisions, but it is true that many of us entered the world through it (it was the first distro that I really used, before I went through several but they either did not convince me or I was not capable to configure it)
Interesting ... I am one of the many who started in GNU / Linux thanks to Ubuntu, because in my institute (in an unknown corner of Honduras) something peculiar happens, they believe that Ubuntu is all Linux, Is it for something not? (It is not ignorance, it is Microsphtonia) ... For me Ubuntu is a great OS, not the best or the worst, whether Shuttleworth is lined in wool at least it gives us this beautiful experience ...
Personally, it makes me melancholy to see my beloved Ubuntu treated as if it were a windows XD, when he was the one who showed me the way to Linux and that freedom ... It is perfect for the typical end user who listens to music and watches movies without becoming a geek expert, right? ...
I did not start with ubuntu, it was with linuxmint Elyssa 5, since I could never boot the cd, but I must admit that without ubuntu there would have been no linuxmint and therefore I would never have entered linux, so Ubuntu is not holy of my devotion but without it there would not have been that great distro that started me and to date I still can't start an ubuntu dvd so I tried with kubuntu and lubuntu and it was great for me but I always went back to mint and now that I know more I don't I am separated from my dear Debian.
Yes, well I had a lot of problems with the Ubuntu installation but haha I don't know why I didn't give up ... I wanted to try it, it's like a myth in GNU / Linux, to give it the title of a siren that causes you to use it, right? ... Thanks Ubuntu!
I used Ubuntu for a long time and I switched to Debian testing because of the stability issue and I continued with Ubuntu as a secondary distribution, but after Unity I totally banished Ubuntu from my pc.
ubuntu is what it is, if it is true that it is a bit unstable but with the LTS it goes very well, unity is fine wapo but for those who do not like it you can put gnome classic or gnome shell in 12.04, or else there is kubuntu or lubuntu, even xubuntu, all of them work great, I have lubuntu on my old laptop and I have brought it back to life after windows, I understand that many people do not love ubuntu, I understand why others love it, but the fact is that ubuntu It is a before and after in open source, and if you want to conquer the desktop world so much, the path is the one marked by ubuntu, for everything else in windows.
How we say in the field: "Ubuntu kicked the hornet's nest."
Hello everyone,
I have very little idea of Linux and I think Ubuntu has made things much easier for those like me (millions). At least off to a good start. Later, if people consolidate themselves in this system, they will already experiment with other "flavors."
At the moment my Xubuntu works, and it is a Linux that works very well for what I need. That is the most important.
all the best!
And I find it very easy and intuitive to use! 🙂 Isn't that important?
try openSUSE and your Yast2 or Mageia with your Mageia Control Center.
Ubuntu does not have a tool that reaches either of those two.
Do you have any idea that how much it cost me to install wine in opensuse ?, mageia I have not tried it I hope it is more intuitive than opensuse.
zypper in wine or zypper install wine
If you want the development version, add the wine repo from yast2 (community repositories) and then change the wine package repository,
as simple as that.
Elav, Ubuntu is one of the answers to a question of yours, which was: What is the way for GNU / Linux to reach the user? And surely many comments will make repetitive, in the sense that the vast majority of us take seriously Linux thanks to Ubuntu, so I am eternally grateful to this distribution. The work that Ubuntu does in making Linux available to everyone, gives it greater importance than Debian, Arch Linux or Slackware, for a reason it will be, that in DistroWatch, Ubuntu is always in the first three places, and that is not free.
I do not know of any method of installing in linux that exceeds apt-get install xxxx and that gets all its dependencies is my opinion and that I have used different distro from ubuntu to redhat and its derivatives and suse and its derivatives
or is there any better
regards
I am an Ubuntu user. I've been using Ubuntu since 11.10 came out, which means I'm relatively new to the Linux world. Despite this, I have spent almost entirely in my spare time studying other distributions and testing them. It is true that some do not work as they should in a virtual way but I have achieved my goal which is to test them and see what I like about each one. I really like Ubuntu a lot. It is quite "user-friendly", Unity makes your life very easy when looking for files, programs, documents, etc., and they are usually doing "updates" of the programs. That is why I differ from some points that are mentioned at the beginning. Yes, every 6 months Canonical goes against the clock to release a new version of its distribution, Ubuntu. That does not mean that the programs and applications that are already there are maintained, improved, etc. I have seen it. Weekly there are several updates of the applications I use. As easy as adding your repositories to have the official "updates". Obviously, they already know that.
As for Shell, I hate GNOME Shell. I like the GNOME Fallback or Classic, which is the one I use and edit it however I want. As for it looks like OSX, aren't there a lot of VERY Windows-like distributions? I can't stand the Windows "look", and it's very personal. I have always used Windows for work but I really hate the desktop.
Canonical… doesn't Redhat do the same? Profits from their support. The GNU / Linux community, if they have to thank for something is for companies like Redhat and Canonical that have given themselves the task of promoting their services / products well. After all, what IT is not going to charge for its services, be it for Linux OS, Windows, Mac, Unix, etc.? He who works must have something to eat too. Today, if the users of any Linux distribution should be proud of something, it is the worldwide recognition that these companies have given us that have not gone outside the Open Source philosophy, as the author of this article says.
Honestly, I have never understood the quarrel between users of different distributions, for whatever reason. At the end of the road, we are all from the same community and the union of that whole community is preferable to diversification. Diversification is what has supported the growth of the different distributions for so many years. And I'm not talking about the diversification that exists as there are many distributions, that's the least of it. For the taste, the colors. I'm talking about the diversification that "you use Ubuntu", "I use Arch", "I hate Unity", "KDE is better" or whatever opinion you have. That is what I think is bad for the community. Even the commands in some distributions are similar. Almost everything is similar, what changes is the appearance and some details, such as those mentioned that Ubuntu releases some things for Ubuntu only. However, there are ways to install them in other distributions, as the author says.
This already seems like a testament.
Unfortunately when you take longer you will see that the mess between the users of the distributions and projects is a thornier and more unruly issue than that, and that for many people there is no reconciliation whatsoever. In any case, many of the objections and disputes have very well-founded and difficult-to-solve reasons that it is not good to ignore. The only thing I ask of people is that they know how to debate their differences with sobriety without fanaticism (holy war) since that is what harms the world of free software.
I understand many disputes, especially when it comes to the subject of what is free software and what is not, that Ubuntu is not a free distro, etc. The point I make is that the world has changed and the GNU / Linux community, instead of debating trifles, should come together because separated, nothing is achieved. Haven't you seen the mystery movies where everyone always decides to split up and everyone ends up dead? That's what I mean. This world of free software is much more complicated than I could ever imagine, but overall, I believe that a union between all of us would be the most convenient. And I repeat, I do not mean the different distros that exist, I mean community union as such. I think that the different distros that exist are very good and the variety is good. The variety in thinking of different people, opinions, is also good, because, can you imagine a world where everyone thinks the same? It would be very boring. But within the differences that may exist in opinions, the users of any GNU / Linux distribution have more in common than differences.
That's what I'm talking about, because sometimes we will see that wanting to bring together certain groups of users is like getting into a bag of cats, or worse, like getting into a lake of piranhas that have not eaten in a month. Many of us have resigned and we only ask those of us to dispute their differences with more serenity.
You are right. But I would not start looking for the union of someone, I would start with myself. I myself accept that I have differences that I must ignore, different opinions but that this does not affect me. Then I would search for users similar to me. Whoever does not want to be part of that community would be fully understood, but such a community should exist. Of course I just can't change the world ... can I?
Darko, I really love that thought, it's very positive. But even if we look for users who think similar to us, we form a community as you say and we help people, but suddenly we see that others who have also formed theirs, who are more numerous, who say they have the truth, that we do not contribute anything and they come for us or at least whenever they can speak badly they do so, so so as not to remain silent we respond to them by instantly setting up a flame war, so new users arrive and see the mess that has been mounted and take a terrible image of the whole Linux world, some leave and of those who remain, many join the endless holy wars. That is the history of the communities that we will always see. It only remains to take the party in peace.
You're right. We would go back to the same thing over and over again. Well, as they say on my PR island "I'm still on mine." I look everywhere, where I can get help and / or answers and if I can help anyone who needs it because the little knowledge I have is not mine. Also, freedom is about that, having an open mind to possibilities even if those possibilities are not what you have in mind.
Thanks to ubuntu I started in linux (like most) Which I really appreciate, I even have one or another CD (when they sent them free: D) I remember that the 7.10 issue was what I fell in love with, to this day I look very Nice that human theme and the orange icons, what I frankly don't like is its compulsive versionitis, (not only ubuntu, but most of the distros in general.) and therefore, its packages without support for other versions. I now use arch, but I must thank ubuntu for bringing me closer to the linux world.
Ubuntu is a good distribution to start with Linux or to have a complete and easy-to-use operating system, without complicating your life unnecessarily. I started Ubuntu back in 2008 and his Unity managed to scare me off to Mint, Chakra and then Arch. In retrospect, I thank him for having "taught" me what Linux is capable of, its simplicity, its intrinsic beauty.
So to speak, Ubuntu is one of the "doors" of a house, the entrance; If you are one of those who like architecture, you will want to see the basement, the roof and explore every room inch by inch. When that moment comes, if it comes, the user tends to jump to other distros ... or to look for one whose door is a different color. But, in short, it is still part of a huge painted penguin home.
A greeting.
Ubuntu is as good a distribution as any other. No more no less. With mistakes and successes.
That is why overvaluing it is a mistake.
That is why underestimating it is also a mistake.
I am an Ubuntu user although I have tried and continue to test other distributions. I am in love with linux in general. I really liked your article. I think you aimed right at the target. You have commented on what is often said about him and have written your point of view. For me Unity is quite comfortable when you get used to it. I was lucky enough to use it for the first time on a laptop so that gives me an advantage. On a pc it might have taken longer to use it. Ubuntu is not the only distribution that comes with a default desktop. All distributions of course have it and it is not complicated at all to use gnome, for example, both the oldest and the modern version and they are said by a negao for computing. On the other hand there are kubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu etc, etc which is the same Ubuntu with a different desktop. I think that makes things a lot easier. Ultimately Ubuntu is not the only one and I suppose it is not the best. Linux users should, and we will all get involved, stop being the "little guys" of the town and get off the cloud. A novice linux user is often afraid to ask about the nonsense that they usually answer and here in the comments you are seeing a lot of this too. I use Ubuntu because I find it beautiful, comfortable and it adapts perfectly to what I need and I can assure you that it has nothing to do at all with Windows and less with IOS, it is more I think it is Windows Vista, Windows 7 and I suppose that 8 is the which shamelessly copies a lot of Linux stuff (please don't kill me for this comment):
I agree with previous messages and with some things in the article.
It's ANOTHER distro ... who likes to use it and who doesn't ...
I have it on my work pc (until I have time to reinstall and remove it), I had it on many pcs before.
Now I prefer fedora, sabayon or arch.
What seems wrong to me is a version every 6 months ...
They should do 1 per year and the updates to put them rolling or semi rolling for the «news» that they want to do in unity are possible without reinstalling a new version.
I have a fairly formed opinion regarding Ubuntu; And it is because we must recognize Canonical for having found the way to make an end where Linux had not previously entered: in the homes and in the machines of the common user; And for that reason, even though it is not my favorite distro, I consider that it should be supported.
I have my serious criticisms as well, for example towards the latest LTS, which is made on the 3.2 kernel, that at least on my laptop it works horrible, and that with all that it has activated to make it more responsive it only warms up the processor like a grill, and the fan never stops making noise. Okay, yes, you can put 3.5, as I did, and with that it stopped heating up, but in the long run Ubuntu 12.04 starts to crash and constantly ask you to "downgrade" through its update manager. For me, they should have worked on that LTS more before taking it out and have waited a while to be able to include a more resolved kernel.
As @ sieg84 says up there, there are distros with installers and managers much better oriented to the end user; what I would give to have openSUSE Yast2 in my beloved Fedora, with that it would be 98% perfect.
Anyway, just an opinion.
regards
Ubuntu was my official gateway to the Linux world. and I used it for a long time (from 8.04 to 10.10, the latter undoubtedly the best for me). I stopped using it for quite common reasons among some of you: I didn't like Unity and the new Canonical policies less so, so I started looking elsewhere. And although I am happy in my current distro now, I cannot deny that Ubuntu was useful to me as a learning to use other distros. Something that I should highlight was that whenever I had any doubts, I was patiently and promptly attended in the forums of the numerous pages dedicated to Ubuntu, which I cannot say about other distros. I think that's the best memory I have of said distro and one of the reasons I opted for Chakra.
That such.
When Ubuntu came out at the end of 2004 (in October to be more precise) I was using SUSE Linux (openSUSE didn't exist then) 9.1 PE and I really loved it but I felt the need to explore the sea and when Ubuntu came out I decided to use it. The truth up to version 7.10, from my personal perspective Cannonical and Mr. Shuttleworth were walking forward at a steady pace. In fact, I used practically all versions of Ubuntu up to 7.10 because the following ones were in my opinion a setback since many things that worked in the previous versions did not work in 8.04 LTS. It was then that I returned to SUSE and then to openSUSE which I had for 1 year and then I left it for Mint Debian Edition and then to Arch Linux which is the one I currently use.
We must acknowledge something to Mr. Shuttleworth and that is that his company and vision (in its beginnings) was to put Linux and Ubuntu on the table and that it was considered a serious and reliable alternative to Windows and MacOS. Of course, Cannonical is a business, but I think they have lacked the vision that Red Hat and Novell with SUSE Linux once envisioned. These latter companies have shown that Linux is a true competitor of weight and made a good amount of money, so much so that they have the luxury of sponsoring open projects and that are the basis of their paid products (understand Fedora and openSUSE).
The path taken by Cannonical and the vision of Mr Shuttleworth may or may not be open to criticism, but considering that he is an entrepreneur and looking at current trends, I think he is trying to form an ecosystem very Apple-style, with Ubuntu on PCs and Android on mobile devices, with a level of integration that points to the same as iOS and MacOS.
Who knows what will happen and what will be the repercussion that this may have, but as I mentioned in other spaces of this blog, Apple and Microsoft are closing the circle of their ecosystem and for better or for worse Ubuntu (Cannonical in reality) is chipping stone to make space to have an alternative to these environments.
I have not been an Ubuntu user for 5 years and the truth is that Unity makes me a terrible copy of the MacOS desktop (it is my personal taste, nothing else, technically speaking it is something else), and that a derivative of this product is the most ranked (understand Mint) they also show that not everything is honey on flakes.
Let's hope that Mr. Shuttleworth does not gorge himself and eventually become another Jobs or worse yet, another Bill Gates.
Good to read a comment as sensible as yours. For more I want to add that among the points made at the beginning of the article that show expository some things that people talk about Ubuntu, in reality not all of them are true nor all are false, but to recognize how true they may have would be a good way to improve Ubuntu if the main people in charge of it apply it critically and sincerely, but as you say in your comment, if they gorge themselves on something else, although at the same time many others say that this is practically already happening since a while ago, will it be true?
I have tried many distros. There are many users like me, happy on Linux but no longer willing to spend hours troubleshooting problems. There is no perfect distro but the one that best suits you. I do not like many things about Ubuntu, mainly its distance from Gnome and the happy Unity ... but it is the one that suits me best and has never given me big problems. For example, I wanted to use Fedora when Unity finally came out and it was one problem after another…. and I did not understand the good reputation of the distribution. It is true that I did not spend more time on it. But that's what Ubuntu saves me: install and use. Soon I will use Ubuntu Gnome Shell Remix and in the future the distro that Gnome releases. For my impression Gnome is doing a great job, slowly but surely and is achieving an identity based on simplicity and simplification while introducing modernity. If you achieve a base like Ubuntu / Debian or based on Ubuntu, correcting your errors…. for my ideal. More orthodox distributions like Arch I don't doubt its power…. But like I say, it's been a long time since I've battled every time something happens. Ubuntu has a reputation for failing…. but I've never had big catastrophes so I don't care what they say. Too bad about Unity, which is becoming an incomprehensible hodgepodge.
I totally disagree with your article. I use xubuntu 12.04 (among other distros) and it is the best I have tried and it is LTS.
Point 1.- How many distros benefit from the work of Ubuntu? Lots.
point 2.- Most distros do the same, the packages only work in their distro.
Point 3.- There is a company behind it, but I have not paid anything. I think a lot of developers look for that. I prefer the community, but at least ubuntu doesn't quit the project all of a sudden.
point 4.- It does not take into account the opinion of the users, I hate Unity but it does not impose anything, since you can choose another desktop. Chakra abandons the 32 bits is not to impose ?. Of course this is modernity.
Point 5.-unstable ?, Maybe yes, but from the list you have given, several distros have hit me when updating, which at the moment Ubuntu has not done it (errors in packages yes, but the graphical system at the moment not).
point 6.- How many distros are copies of Ubuntu ?, Lots, including Mint, which gives me absolutely nothing.
point 7 ,. Winbuntu. thanks to this many have started in the Linux world.
At the moment my Ubuntu has never given me big problems, that the many of the ones you mention have given me.
You actually disagree with the opinions the article author disagrees with, not the entire article.
morpheus you are right maybe I have expressed myself wrong. I quite agree with the opinions of the author of the article and in total disagreement with the nonsense that is said about Ubuntu.
However, some of the explanations you have just given to those points are as questionable as the very points you criticize, and you even totally disqualify the work of one distro based on another just as those who disqualify Ubuntu for various reasons do.
Anonymous, the explanations I give is my point of view and therefore totally questionable, like any other point of view.
I do not disqualify the work of Mint, on the contrary I respect all the work that is done in Linux, I put it as an example that if you put yourself in a negative plan, there is no perfect one and you can find the reasons you want.
Platonov, the point is not to get negative but to be honest. Many things that are said about Ubuntu on the net are false but others are not. When something becomes popular, many stories come out, but also certain things, and the duty of those who want Ubuntu to be given a fair treatment is to clarify things, not to put themselves in the same negative plan by disqualifying others in the same position as those who criticize him perniciously.
Read the full article.
I can understand that you do not like Ubuntu, I can understand that you do not share its philosophy, but that you lie like a scoundrel so that we can reaffirm your convictions makes me sick.
Ubuntu benefits from the work done by the Debian team and does not reward the effort. LIE DOES UPSTART SOUND YOU?
Ubuntu adds packages that are only supported on this distro and not on the parent distro (Debian). A HALF TRUTH
Ubuntu is behind a company and a man (Shuttleworth) who aims to profit first and foremost. LIE, I DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO HAS PAID FOR USING UBUNTU, UNLESS THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE MONEY WITH IT and in that case they will pay for the technical service, not for the software.
Ubuntu does not have the opinion of its users and imposes its changes as if it were Windows or OS X. LIE, NOBODY IMPOSES ANYTHING, IF YOU DON'T LIKE UNITY YOU HAVE XUBUNTU, LUBUNTU, KUBUNTU AND NOW GUBUNTU
To say that a distro forces you to use what comes pre-installed is a LIE, you can install and uninstall whatever you think is convenient, you can even make the distro to suit you by downloading only ubuntu-minimal
Ubuntu is unstable, they only care about launching it TESTING, SABAYON, FEDORA, OPEN SUSE, CHAKRA none of them seem more stable to me and they all seem less usable to me
Ubuntu copies OS X. LIE How is Unity similar to osx?
Ubuntu = Winbuntu FINALLY ...
Reviewing, criticizing, proposing ... all of this is commendable and necessary. But LYING or Speaking without knowledge to try to convince others of your point of view is something Creeping in my opinion.
I've been using Linux since 2000 and Ubuntu is what many of us asked for in those times, everything that Debian seemed to be and never was, linux has never been so used on the desktop and Ubuntu has a lot to do with it .
It would be good if we read the entire article before giving our opinion (I mean, because your opinion is not contrary to that of the author… and because of «Rastrero»).
Read the full article
For God's sake, please read the article more carefully sir, but complete and you would have saved your bile.
totally agree with you platonov
A recommendation before posting opinions right and left: READ THE FULL ARTICLE !!!
I consider myself quite open to the opinion of other people regarding Ubuntu (except in the case of the extremist fanatics of the distros, even the Debian ones), complementing what elav says in his article:
It is true, in the case of Ubuntu it does not care about giving back its work, at least, to Debian, which is where they rely on each LTS (especially) to make their distro, bad for Ubuntu… ..but for another On the other hand, we know perfectly the closure that exists in Debian, they focus even more on them before accepting new currents of work, bad for Debian.
It is said that Ubuntu does not listen to users, but the same could be said of Debian, and of Fedora the same (the distro in which I have had to move more), on the one hand Ubuntu comes out with drastic changes like Unity, which has been The most popular, on the other hand, there are users who do not like the revision requirement that Debian packages suffer, that border on paranoia and make many packages slow down for passing revisions over and over again (simply the kernel, already I have tested in a stable way and without problems in 3.6.1, and in Debian they still do not reach 3.3, and if you want to install 3.5 it must be from the experimental repositories); Fedora has also been almost PRAYED by the community that they do not have that versionitis, or at least that the support time is greater than 13 months.
The stability of Ubuntu, badly the Ubuntu distros have been handled as "final", they do not explain that they are for Ubuntu what the Testing version is for Debian, the strong one is the LTS.
What if I don't like Ubuntu and these days they are making me turn away from it again and once and for all say goodbye to Gnome Classic and get fully into Gnome Shell, is that they prioritize work for "the current version" , that is, now that 12.10 is coming out, they are focused on fixing the errors that arise, while on the other hand the launchpad is filling up with people lining up to have problems with the programs used in LTS 12.04 solved… .. aren't they supposed to give priority to that version and not to the test version?
And well, Ubuntu is a very good option, not the best or worst, everyone who accommodates himself where he feels most comfortable, for now I do not want to wait for the errors in LTS programs to be resolved, or use Betas ... much less stay stopped until the final version of a test comes out, such as 12.10,13.04,13.10,14.04 and 14.10, for what I NEED (which is not what others need) I have to go to a rolling release, or another version that gives priority to its stable version and not less than the test version.
I went packed, the prox LTS will be 14.04, the previous 3 are the test ones.
People please read the article several times ... the items "for example" that I mention do not reflect the personal opinion of the author but rather opinions that he has read and then expresses his personal opinion refuting them. I had to read it twice to fully agree (yesterday I was enraged: P)… Canonical is a company and quoting the RedHat ad in 2003 “it is not public charity”. Thanks to your marketing, many of us are using linux today, it would be nice to have a bit of gratitude to this distro. The goal of ubuntu is to reach the novice user and businesses, not to be a toy for geeks. And on top of that, it does it for free, you know how many times it reminds RedHat that it had achieved that facility 10 years ago and it became paid (and how many users left or went to debian or fedora core). I hope Canonical does not follow that path, there if you will see the value of this distro. It has happened before.
It's interesting how this type of post always captures people's attention. While others are hardly commented. For example, if someone thinks about gnome2 vs mate or the new shell, the same! a huge amount of comments. Could it be because we are interested or does it have to do with day-to-day Linux users? Anyway, in my opinion in particular, we are currently in a society in which everything has to be fast and without time to stop to analyze things; understand advantages and disadvantages. Myself, I started on linux not because I wanted to experience something new or because I was fed up with windows; simply because my job so demanded it. I remember when I started in Linux my first distro was opensuse 10.2, I had already seen that Ubuntu was very good for new users. However, of all the distros, the only one that did not have problems when installing or during the installation on my laptop was opensuse 10.2, later when I changed the laptop I went to debian, to ubuntu until I appeared unity, I went to LMDE, traumatized by the amount of updates after each update pack I have finished with Kubuntu 12.04. Similarly, I have installed Ubuntu for several colleagues, according to this because it is easy to use, fewer problems with viruses, and later they abandon it, simply because they are not used to the system and do not have time to invest in learning about it. Thus, if Ubuntu or another distro is good or bad, if it contributes or not to that cause, the answer (trite I know) will depend on the type or needs of the end user. Finally my recognition to the author of the post.
I just don't like it, since version 11.04 it has never gone well for me and something has always failed me and not to mention the poor performance that compiz gives me, the only thing that saved is kubuntu.
Ummm, well, where there is always a monopoly and power with large alliances, nothing will be impossible in the computer business.
PS: Personally, I don't like ubuntu at all, although my first contact with linux was with ubuntu version 8.04
Regards!
Ubuntu (some) don't like it because it is popular. And being it, their decisions are magnified because they can imply changes in others. They are wrong? Of course, as we all do. A few years ago using ubuntu was cool. As now you can use everything pichiblás, the thing is to say that I passed by there and ran. I use ubuntu, I use debian, I have used opensuse, others I have tried virtualized, and I have all loved them. I always managed to "make" my own machine from each one, which was what I wanted.
I also think that the user community is confused with the developer community and that is why there are problems. Users have the immense power to choose something else, and that is heard from leagues.
Congratulations on the article. Everything is correctly expressed and I agree with the author's opinion. Although I couldn't resist adding mine.
I tried Ubuntu as my first distro when I was introduced to GNU / Linux (I come from Window $), and now, that I have tried around 8 distros, Unity seems to me a nice desktop and at least I like it, the bad thing is the Dash on the left, I don't like it, I always put my desktop like this: up a panel and down a dock, just that (and sometimes a Conky)
Of course Ubuntu is not just the desktop, and if you don't like it, you have these alternatives:
Ubuntu 10.04 (take advantage of the end of the support in April of next year)
Kubuntu (although I didn't like KDE)
Xubuntu (now I am downloading it)
Lubuntu (featherweight champion)
I am returning to Ubuntu (more like Xubuntu) due to my various problems with Debian, it is not a bad distro, but some packages are missing and Wine (I usually play) was not working at all.
But hey, for color tastes.
The article is very good, I read it completely and I share the opinion of the article, I am not a computer scientist or anything like that but I love reading and always trying to learn a little of everything, I started in the linux world with U-10.04 lts from scratch And I broke my brain first looking for how to connect my mobile Brand to be able to use the internet and it was quite gratifying to achieve it maybe something insignificant for you but for me that came from the next one, next and end it was something super and then I dedicated myself to learn half use the terminal and learned the basics. the truth is that ubuntu was my entry to the linux world and I am very happy that I decided to try something different from what people are used to.
I tried to use slax I don't remember which version but it was last year I think it was 6 but I gave up because I couldn't connect my mobile modem and I went back to Ubuntu with 10.04, but I was curious to try debian and I downloaded an iso of almost 500mb and it was I installed and had no environment or anything someone on twitter told me that I chose the wrong download and then the same thing happened to me with arch so I stopped joking and downloaded the ubuntu 11.10 until a few days ago I decided to use kubuntu for KDE my experience with ubuntu has been good since I am a user for web, chat, music and things like that and I have everything I need. but I'm curious, there are many distros that I want to try but I don't know if I can connect my BAM mobile brand modem to all of them and I've always played it safe.
I do not enter into debates that if ubunto is better or worse than I know which, the truth is that I am not interested in what I want is to learn and feel comfortable with Ubuntu or another distribution since in the end I will continue to be part of the GNU user community / LINUX and that's the important thing. Greetings and I always read them, it seems like a fantastic blog.
I started Linux with Ubuntu, in version 7.10 to be exact and I must confess that the more I got to know about Linux I was leaving this distro little by little (to leave it completely in 10), for others with greater stability and that will stick more to my needs (performance above all).
Although it is very important to emphasize that obviously each and every one of us has different tastes and needs and as Elav says; Everything mentioned here can be found in many other places and even said in an unseemly way. So, in fact, it is a very respectful way for me and with strong points that do not insult anyone.
Many people hate it because it became more known and it is not as underground as before
The argument that if so and copy so, and that if it is true or not seems so stupid to me. That is as if a company makes very comfortable motorcycles using a new motorcycle concept because another company cannot improve its product in that aspect as well? Obviously it will do something different but is that with that we win the xD users and we complain ??? If they "copy" things that help users, where the hell is the problem? More fanboyism than anything else I think
In this world of freedom, everyone can use whatever they need, in my case I prefer minimalist desks but that is not why I will criticize other environments. What should be taken into account is the opinion of the community and apparently Unity and Gnome 3 do not end up being well received.
I think Ubuntu is a great distribution, it makes things easy that in others may be difficult, for people who don't have time, but if you want to have an optimal system ... it also allows you to have updated software sooooo easy and on top of it all this is easy And if not, you have a great community behind you, what else can you ask for to enter the linux world? Then each one leaves or stays or improves, I for example put a kernel 3.6 in any ubuntu and I see my system fly, in an easy way also, instead with others I would have to compile it with how tedious it is and its continuous failures for not doing it right at all ... etc ..
Undoubtedly Ubuntu is not the best in terms of the particular, but I think that at a general level it covers a lot of what users with a medium-advanced level want in our day to day, comfort, performance, speed, and a lot of information if you want to go deeper
What's wrong with profiting? Let's not confuse free software with free software because they are two totally different things.
What would Linux be without Ubuntu? Maybe nobody would use it and it would disappear, everyone has ever been on Windows, and then they move to Ubuntu, if what you want is to completely marginalize the Linux OS , the best way is to discredit the distros that make the transition from Win to Linux easy, and in this world there are many such "smartass"
Before Ubuntu, Linux already had a wide advantage in the fight for servers, there were already distributions such as Fedora, Debian, Slackware, Gentoo, Arch, Mandrake and SUSE, and there were much simpler distributions for the user at the time of Ubuntu's birth, such as what it was Lindows, Xandros or Knoppix (the latter still exists, but is forgotten).
The world of Linux is much more than Ubuntu, but much more, perhaps it alone is one of the ones with the most users, but it is far from representing an important fraction of all Linux users (I'm sure it doesn't even at 20% penetration, even including its derivatives like Mint which is also very popular).
Do not believe so much marketing! 😉
The same mistake made by those who demerit a distribution for being easy and friendly is also made by some 'smart' users of those easy distributions when they demerit the rest believing themselves to be the center of the world. World that, as they already explained, existed and had been growing since before Ubuntu appeared.
The problem with Ubuntu is not that it pretends to be easy, but the many other things that are loaded along the way, the attitude it takes towards the community and the final product that launched at an exact date every six months makes it come out halfway finish and be as painful as a toothache multiple times. I would not be surprised if, thanks to Ubuntu, more people have gotten a bad image of GNU / Linux than those who have gotten a good image.
Hi Elav,
I fully agree with your opinion regarding Ubuntu. I started in the Linux world with Ubuntu and from there I went on to try other .deb and .rpm distributions. In the end I stayed on Debian which I have been very comfortable with. Now I have switched to Centos 6.3 for its stability, full support until 2017 and maintenance support until 2020, Gnome 2 and 100% RHEL compliant. The truth has convinced me not only on my server, I am using it on my desktop and laptop and I have not had any problem with the drivers.
See my configuration post and I highly recommend it:
http://www.taringa.net/posts/linux/15694975/CentOS-6_3-__-_Que-hacer-despues-de-instalar__.html
Greetings,
PeterCzech
Thank you .. interesting your article 🙂
The truth is, this is one of those few posts where people speak realistically, fully agreeing on each of the points discussed.
Cheers(:
Thanks Diego..
Well, I also don't know why but I don't like that disstro, as I don't like it at all, it will be because when I installed it (ubuntu, kubuntu), it gave me a very bad impression, because of its slowness and because of that horrible gnome 3 desktop, and Maybe because well I think it should not be the most popular, opensuse and mandriva left me quite surprised, they are very good distributions and very easy to use, I recommend openssuse 100%, there I installed all the programs I wanted, and quite easily .
also open suse installed pretty fast and his live cd is perfect, this distr. It loads fast and closes quickly, I hopefully recommend it and advance its popularity.
Good article, you cover a lot on the subject, I was also reading this article and I would like you to consider it too https://compucell.info/introduccion-a-ubuntu-que-es-y-como-funciona/