Although I have not been a user of Gnome, and much less than Gnome Shell, I think it is worth mentioning some of the most relevant changes that will come with version 3.5.2, which in all fairness, following the tour that you can see in this link, nothing surprises me.
I am not going to talk about all the changes or news, since in the previous link everything is well detailed, I am only going to comment on some things that I think about them, as a criticism, based on my personal opinion. Broadly speaking and without going into much detail, I think the guys from Gnome They should hire a good Gtk interface, icon and theme design team.
If you look at the previous image, I think many will agree with me, that the icons of Gnome they have nothing to do with the interface of the Shell, no matter how much you look at them, they still seem outdated, obsolete. They could use a facelift, I don't know, maybe a change in the color palette. The icons in the panel, in the upper right area, are far apart and the one of the ugliest user menu applet cannot be, although it has a point in favor, it now includes the option to Delete default.
Nautilus change your name to files, coincidentally the same name as the boys from Elementary OS they gave their File manager, and now includes in the context menu the option to connect to a server. Another that changes its name is Totem, which is now called Videosbut that is still as bad as usual.
Nothing new is added in the System configuration, and apparently the developers of Gnome they do not intend to include Gnome-Tweak-Tools as a default app: MISTAKE!!!! When will they realize that Gnome Shell is almost impersonalizable, if this word exists?
Although they say that Evolution will have some changes, such as using web kit instead of gtkhtml, just seeing its interface makes me want to uninstall it and delete it from the repositories. Maybe it's what I mentioned before, that the Gtk issue (adwaita) and the icon set need an urgent facelift, but the feeling that it is a "heavy" application does not get out of my mind.
An interesting detail. Have you seen the Copyrigth of the dconf-editor? So that later they don't say that Canonical does not contribute to Gnome hehehe. And finally, already the users of Gnome they will have a client for SQLite.
Don't see it as I have something against GnomeIt is simply that in all this development time, have they really contributed of interest to Desktop Environment? Okay, they may be polishing other performance details and things like that, but at least for the visual part they still leave a lot to be desired.
I said it recently and I repeat it again, Gnome Shell I don't think it's ideal for a computer. A user who masters the keyboard and likes to use shortcuts would have no problems, but an ordinary person, who only uses the computer for simple things, I do not think they can feel comfortable with the current interface. Just switching apps is a hassle.
However, if you reached the end of the article and you think that I am an asshole who has no reason in what he writes or foundation, you can download a Gnome LiveCD and prove it, so that that way you can think to me with all the morals in the world that I am wrong. Although this is my point of view and that's how I see it. Gnome 3.5.2 It is more of the same.
Tour and Images taken from: @ worldofgnome.org
Curious thing that I have seen that has happened in this blog "several times" ... it turns out that a matrix is created in any discussion ... the issue is ignored and then there is a brand new yellow post with bad foundations about the previous issue. Either it is a lack of arguments or simply creating hubbub to have more visits. And this comes out simply because Linus criticizes Shell and Linus apart from being an eminence and with all the respect he deserves, he is not the one to make an image criticism.
elav, this is not a criticism friend and excuse me for telling you, this is gossip, not because "it's your personal opinion" means that it doesn't matter anymore, -men have to take responsibility for their words.-
You lack real foundations to say what are the flaws in Gnome Shell and of course they lack you to say what are its virtues.
And why do you think I know? easy, you are talking to a person, older than you, who has more experience and who has to his credit two university degrees related to image, one of them is a Bachelor of Arts, mention Mixed Media ... I can tell you with argument which they are its faults and its virtues.
I am obstinate of the aggressive tone with which most of the forums and blogs respond to you, is it that because we are Latin Americans we are not going to learn? Are we going to continue being 3rd world and marginal, of thought? Enough, is that people who do not know about a subject should not give their opinion and if they do, with respect.
Now, if you're going to keep taking that childish attitude and you're going to keep ignoring me, welcome. People who love me, respect me, and admire me do so precisely because I tell the truth, not to go with the flow.
This issue has nothing to do with the Linus Torvalds, I simply found the Tour of the link that I put, and I wanted to give my opinion about the "supposed changes" that it includes Gnome 3.5.2. Having more visits was relevant if for each of them, in DesdeLinux money will be entered, and believe me, it is not the case. I only wrote this article, to express my criteria and of course, aware that many would not agree with it.
We agree on personal opinion, but not on "gossip." Because for me "gossip" is that malicious comment that is made behind the back of "something or someone" and I do not think this is the case.
I did not expect to give real basics friend, just my opinion. I have used Gnome Shell, and I have not talked about anything that I have not already seen in previous versions. Virtues? For me very few, indeed, I can tell you:
- Integrated messaging notifications at the bottom.
Already, I ran out of the virtues that I find in Gnome Shell.
Well, I respect that, because from a very young age they taught me to respect older people precisely because of their level of experience, so whenever you want (if you have time or desire) you can leave the same in a comment, as in an article on this blog , your point of view with valid arguments.
Already in this last part I lost myself, I do not know what all this has to do with the subject we are dealing with. However, your comment reflects your way of being, of thinking, and I, as I said before, respect that. 😉
Well, what about Linus does have to do with it, you left it reflected in your first answer, but going into details would create conflicts.
Regarding your response to my comment, it is totally accepted and grateful ... What I mean - it is not functionality - I am talking about aesthetics, which are different things. Can I explain myself well? KDE, which is very functional, is not aesthetic.
You are a programmer and on the other hand, I design, if you create a program, I can criticize it aesthetically, I can make you a -functional recommendation- what I cannot is criticize the code.
There are two things that are very important and a Cuban teacher taught them to me. Roberto P. Leon.
- Criticism is never destructive, criticism analyzes both the good and the bad parts. And to be able to criticize something you have to have sufficient knowledge of the subject.
- A social communicator apart from revealing news, does something more important ... Educate.
Now, what would be the constructive and educational part?
PS: thanks for the invitation I accept it with pleasure.
Well, no friend, as I already told you, nothing to do one thing with the other. What's more, for me Gnome Shell was a disaster long before Linus thought of saying something like that.
Well now I have been stunned. I would have to see the concept of aesthetics one more time, because maybe we are not talking about the same thing. It would be interesting if you argued your point of view a little more.
Interesting, although in this case I rather like the Design part. I just wanted to make it clear 😀
The teacher is very right ... although about my knowledge on the subject I already believe I have advanced something in my previous comment. I am not a Communicator, unfortunately sometimes I don't know how to reach the masses.
The pleasure is our. People with knowledge who can do their bit to make us better are always welcome.
"It would be interesting if you argued your point of view a little more."
Well, any visual work must be composed of basic composition rules, specifically the programming of interfaces enters what would be called a new experimental art that goes far beyond a painting, a photo or a film because it interacts and is related to the user.
In this case, Shell handles some elements that caught my attention to interact with the user. Balance and time-space.
Balance, goes beyond the design of the elements, the way it shows the elements on the screen perfectly centered and a very careful composition, exact space between aligned elements ... What is gained from this? unparable sensations of stability, security, among others that are appreciated after spending several hours in front of the monitor.
Time-space, Shell implements it in an interface and makes use of the classic selection bar. When selecting Activities, we dim the desktop, change planes and go to another space at the same time, selecting windows, the same when selecting applications. What this achieves is to focus attention, more concentration = better performance and better results.
Shell with these elements focuses attention on what is being done, as it does not have other elements on the screen, such as the taskbar, it concentrates all its attention on the current element, the same when changing to another window, the focus point is changed.
It is designed to be functional and dynamic, with one hand on the mouse and the other on the keyboard. It is the only desktop I know that in a simple way, pressing a key (Super) shows you all the windows and desktops, plus one click shows you "all" the applications, plus another click a category. Or pressing Super + B + Enter opens Blender (in my case) ...
For example.
I can make pressing Super + B + Enter open anything for me, run a script, or do whatever I want. This is done by almost any desktop environment, I say almost to not be absolute.
Of course if KZKG ^ Gaara, but it is not what I mean, Shell does not need to do anything to do it because it is its own style of work, apart from being intelligent, the program recognizes which applications are most used and puts them first by pressing one or two letters.
Friend, you seem to forget that not everyone controls (or works) using application shortcut. The simple fact of going to the HotCorner to show the open applications is an unnecessary step, which we save by having a list of windows in a panel. KDE, Xfce, they know it. KDE for example, has the potential to change the concept of what we know as the desktop, however, they have remained faithful to the same scheme that we have known for years: Panel, Menu, List of Windows, System Tray ... etc.
So we are talking about the same thing from different points of view, when talking about having to use the console. Anyway I have not yet its shortcomings, when I do you will think I hate Shell.
Sir;
I introduce myself first. I have two majors, mathematics and physics, and now I am with a doctorate. I'm only 25 years old.
You forget one thing. Both art and design are for everyone, not just designers and / or artists. As a "scientist" in art, you can see a lot of amazing details in Gnome-Shell, but the truth is that a lot of people don't like it. The problem exists.
I see mathematics and physics everywhere but if I understood that everyone saw it ... it would be fine.
Your art can be very good and you can know a lot ... but the "people" have to like it regardless of whether or not they understand this field.
I did not get away with the misunderstood artists and scientists who changed the world. You are able to understand what I have said without taking the last word home with you.
I liked your gnome shell reasoning, but I could have started there.
PS Forgive my level of Spanish, it is not my language. By the way I speak 5. Isn't the experience relative? Watch, there are many very capable young people.
A consumer of design and art. Let's see, where do I start with you….
Your CV is impressive for being 25 years old and having two degrees of 6 years or more and an ongoing PhD plus speaking five languages. That is the positive side of your parents being wealthy, they pay you everything, you never have a beer, you do not have a girlfriend and any kind of responsibility (if you are).
Again and I tell you too, there is the -context- consumer friend ... the before and after. Why should I start with reasoning for no reason?
Art is for everyone, obviously in that you are very successful, but it does not mean that art has to be understood, "art is not understood, it is felt" or is it that you understand something when you see Picasso's Guernica or Los Girasoles of Van Gogh?
If some like Gnome Shell and some don't, then you're on the right track 🙂 that's the rationale behind free competition.
There may be many very capable young people but if they do nothing to try to improve the needs of their environment, they are neutral.
If I had to analyze your writing, I would tell you that to be a mathematician, it is obvious that writing has a formula, that you have intentionally distorted Spanish and that from 17 years and wasting many hours of your time on social networks you do not spend.
PS: I would not have to forgive your Spanish, (I accept it) you are the one who has to forgive it.
Have you seen the part:
"I liked your gnome shell reasoning, but I could have started there." (and stop other nonsense)
If it seems to me that although your reasoning is good, you cannot pretend that everyone sees it. And there you enter with the comment, which I found interesting. I was just trying to say that sometimes, in my opinion, feelings don't need an argument.
I haven't messed with you directly. It is true that his first comment was superfluous, he seemed vain, arrogant and authoritarian.
I haven't messed with his life, just his ways.
If I have to analyze your writing, you seem like a 45-year-old man whose years weigh more than they should, arrogant and with nothing to do in his spare time. From the comment on money and social life, I must understand that you are frustrated by these two issues.
He would have to do more cervesas with his friends.
A greeting!
PS Excuse my Spanish again.
consumer ... I apologize if my comment made you wrong, but as I tell you the context is necessary, I have seen countless comments in all the blogs and forums from people who have no idea what they are talking about and do not even identify themselves.
Unfortunately it is necessary, why? because we are very badly accustomed to reading a review without analyzing and then using foul language to disqualify the author without arguments of any kind.
I live in a country where many know dadyyanky and very few know Lezama, if I am socially frustrated, but I will not explain why, you will not understand yet.
So not Lezama? Hehehe, because right now for work reasons I am involved in Lezama, Vitier, Retamar .. anyway .. But I will tell you something friend, as there are many people with a high index of cultural illiteracy (to put it in some way), too I know many university students with less knowledge than people with lower academic degrees. In the world (to be the world) there has to be everything
Do you and I live in the same country? O_O… LOL !!!
Country where listening to the Beatles is «old and outdated thing»And listening to reggeatón is«be cool and fashionable»... × _ × … Kill me please…
Lezama, Vitier, Retamar… What a simple job you are spending, I say Lezama to say something, although I think it would be a miracle.
If, also in this world of everything, and curiously, career professionals, self-taught people who do not study at a university are the best prepared, it will be because they do so out of conviction.
And I think we live in the same world, KZKG ^ Gaara this little reggaeton theme is a universal evil. Each generation has its style and its rhythm, well, it is that it does not enter my head that they have to denigrate women above all without any message, from perreo pa down: /
Don't say it, that's not even music. Every day I fear more for the future of the race… LOL !!
"KDE, which is very functional, is not aesthetic."
What?!?! EPIC WTF master xD
That you don't like the aesthetics of KDE SC is totally understandable since we don't all have the same taste, for example [trolling] @elav uses Xfce, VIM and Debian and I, who am already older, use KDE SC, Emacs and Arch [/ trolling].
What version of KDE SC do you say is not aesthetic? I did not get to use the 3.5 but the captures that are everywhere show that it was very beautiful!
Are you sure what you say? You have not got the wrong desktop environment? Isn't FWM what you are talking about? xD
Man, you may not like KDE, but you are totally wrong, almost shod I would say that KDE SC 4.8.4 is not aesthetic.
Move along ...
I invite you to show a screenshot where you think that KDE is
We continue ... 🙂
- Clarification, something important to take into account is the user, there are thousands of ways to use a desktop and everyone is different, a gamer's desktop is not the same as a writer's desktop. -
KDE can be seen very well, another thing is to use it.
Functional it might be easy to use or powerful in its functions. Aesthetic it may be that it looks pretty or that it is correctly composed. And all the desktops fail in composition because they have never seen it from a synoptic point of view, the user - interface - applications relationship. An interesting and successful example is the iPhone's iOS.
Without putting screenshot, some examples of aesthetic failure:
- Use a blue glow in a selected window. If black is used as a shadow it is because it is not a color, it is a neutral element. Any other color explodes the view and is distracting.
- Windows translucent when dragging. I don't think I'm the only one who loses focus when moving a window in Plasma.
- Windows style menu. All the on-screen weight of the KDE main menu falls on the left side, that's a flaw of "balance in a composition" and it's a very long topic.
And speaking of functionality, let's be honest, that menu is a bit of a mess. The desktop, if the Shell eliminates the functions, the Plasma suffers from something similar because changing the wallpaper can be frustrating especially for a standard user.
...
KDE and the programs they develop seem to me to be the best of OpenSource, the more I see aesthetic flaws. Krita example: Tools at the top right, "Tools options" at the bottom left.
Interface programmers deserve special attention because they handle elements of photography, film and animation, and worse still, they relate to the user.
+1 With the comment. Now, let's talk about other desks. I prefer Unity a Gnome Shell Why? Well, a question of functionality in this case .. Let's take an example:
- We have 4 applications open.
If I want to select any of them (by clicking), what happens?
- In Gnome Shell I have to press the Super key (Windows) or move the cursor to the HotCorner, and click on the application, that is, three steps.
- In Unity I just have to move the cursor to the dock (which Mac does not like) and voila, one step.
@ Lex.RC1. In KDE you can change the aesthetics of almost everything, including blue glows, transparencies, menus,… You can change the arrangement of elements in an application, add / remove buttons, create keyboard shortcuts,… You just have to do a little research to leave the environment to your liking and with the functionalities you need.
Unity ... awakens in me a love and hate relationship like few others, it is like the mix of all the desks in one.
I liked his intention to correct the deficiencies of Shell. They eliminate all the things that Gnome works half as Online accounts or Evolution and use things that do work, Thunderbird. And the desktop is usable 🙂
The Mac-style top menu gives you utility and saves a lot of space. A Windows 7-style Launcher is extremely useful for quick app switching. The Dash like the Shell but with hormones. Clear intentions to match the visual spectacularity of Plasma. And it can be functional in touch too.
Now anyone who reads this will think that it is the perfect desktop, well no, it is the same as the Shell, it is impersonal, it is extremely heavy, it fails very often.
With all that I could live if the Launcher did not exist, a MULTICOLOR bar, chameleon, phosphorescent, «pasted to the left of the screen and crossed with the menu bar (¬¬) That they are African and want to represent their heritage and their colors. I applaud, but that they put it on you, no, who can concentrate with that bar even if he can hide. The only thing it is used for is to quickly access a favorite, but when you have to search for the program in the Dash it is like this:
Click Dash / Applications / Installed see results / Filter results / Type / application… in total 6 clicks to go to another application that you do not have in favorites.
On the other hand, and it is not to contradict you elav, in the Shell there are 2 steps to open a favorite; In a single movement of the mouse Hotcorner - favoritor and click… just like Unity or Plasma.
But as Windóusico says, in KDE it can be customized, true, but I see the default state, the product they offer you, which is roughly the first impression.
And I better not continue talking that I will end up using KDE ^ _ ^
Mr. Lex.RC1, just two things:
1. There is not a single argument in his entire claim.
2. There are many fallacies, such as the so-called "fallacy of authority": "you are talking to a person older than you", "I have two university degrees."
Sir, it is shameful that at his age and with two university degrees he throws a little tantrum because he was criticized for his favorite environment.
"Salud"
elav, this is what I mean about the part you didn't understand ...
Luis attacks me with invasive language (which I accept) to express his opinion - without knowing the context.
Luis, I will explain myself better in two points.
- I'm not talking about functionality, Shell's functionality is deficient ... I'm talking about aesthetics.
- I do not throw a tantrum, I admit that I like Shell but I can work perfectly with LXDE, my environment is the least important thing on a system, I am more concerned about the programs that I use and that run on that system.
And it is worth noting that it is not a "fallacy of authority", I establish a point to imply that I am not speaking just to speak.
Okay, Lex.RC1. !A hug
Friend Lex.RC1, but it is that everything is then a matter of taste, and that is why I support my own opinion even more. We already agree that the operation of the Shell is deficient, but aesthetically for me it is too. Both black with rounded edges ... or not ... Also, look at every detail, every element and you will see that Gnome Shell could be "aesthetically" much better.
On this point, well then I could tell you that without being a University, I have been a Network and Systems Administrator for 5 years, dominating many services that run on GNU / Linux, with which, incidentally, I have been for more than 5 years for what I have gone through more than 3 Desktop Environments, and several Windows managers, installing machines with different distributions, which has given me the necessary experience to write an article like this that so many have criticized.
It could totally improve and one of the things that sounded bad to me when I opened Shell for the first time was that big title bar, plus the menu, plus the black bar at the top, you lose a lot of useful space, but as mentioned above, there is also other elements that come into play such as composition. The fact that they do not have a default theme manager I totally condemn it, you know that I am one of those who like easy computing / all user.
Criticism is acceptable and taking into account that reading is personal and subjective, many times the reader can interpret things that the writer does not want to say.
And taking advantage of your experience in networks, could you make a dummy post (very simple) to share folders from a server to several machines? if you can mount that folder as a windows-style hard drive 😉
I find the argument "you are talking to a person older than you", "with two university degrees" and blah blah blah… Do you expect them to respect you for that? I am not going to treat you because you are older than me, respect does not come with age, YOU WIN. In your professional area, you may be an eminence, but in Linux: what have you done? Have you patched something? Collaborate with code for the kernel maybe? Have you written your own programs? Are you a packer? Show us what you have done and I will start to show a little respect for you and even apologize for this post, if not, do not come to say that you are an old man who deserves respect simply because I am older and have more university studies.
Don't treat me as your please (I'm not that old either)
Well no, nothing I have done for "Linux" is that you have to understand two things proper ... I am not a programmer although I would have liked to. And I in my country have my own battles to fight. With this I want to tell you that I do not separate the Open world but I do work socially, especially with education and child and youth culture so that in the future young people do not have the same attitude that you have at this time.
And yes, I have earned the respect of some, but there are others who hate me. 😉
PS: I appreciate the good spelling and grammar
1) You don't need to be a programmer. When you said the word "arts" I thought you would show workart, wallpapers, icons, skins, etc.
2) We all have our own battles.
3) I find it excellent that you teach education and culture to your young people. Now if you are what you teach, you could start to put bragging aside and teach to be more humble.
I do intend to do something to support Open Source, but I assure you that if I do get it done, it will be more socially productive than a wallpaper.
proper, there is also the context, the before and the possible after and your words express an intolerance to the fact of being a professional that you confuse it with bragging. I do not expect your respect with what I say, I am one of the people who believe that facts speak louder than words.
«... to try you because ...»
*you
From what he says, his strength is not programming, but to give an opinion with such confidence, it must be that he belongs to the design team of some distribution or some desktop environment.
Commentator, I have not had the pleasure of working on an Open Source project, but I have been involved in projects on freedom of thought and especially on audiovisual semiotics. 🙂
Commentator, (I think I have answered you and did not give it to publish) I really do not work with any Open project, if I share the philosophy of freedom and I dedicate myself to the semantics of the image, mainly in audio-visuals.
Damn, this is better than movie: P.
Mr. Lex:
I am a 14-year-old teenager, who wants two things, first of all, to be a professional graphic designer (I am especially interested in iconography) and second, to live in Norway.
Why am I writing this? To introduce myself, and to tell you that I was impressed by your response about Gnome Shell, and that I share your opinion that this article/opinion is very yellowish, with no arguments other than the icons, an opinion , even though it is an opinion, it needs arguments to support it, it is as if he were saying "I hate Desdelinux.net", and someone will ask me "Why?"
So sir:
Applause and a cordial greeting.
Ch
Thanks Carlos and Mr. is of more ...
If you are going to study design I wish you the best and like all professions or careers they need a lot of perseverance and study. But you liked the analysis, you go more for the semiotics of the image.
Criticism is always constructive, even if you write that you don't like it Desdelinux and you base it respectfully, I'm sure it won't go unnoticed 😉
I agree with what you say, the gnome-shell theme is very ugly, they need to modernize it or something (kde's default oxygen is not that I just liked it, but better than gnome's).
It also opened to add some program or indication or something so that people could install the extensions easily. It is very good that from the browser you can, but if you do not know the web where to look, you will not find these extensions, at least one access in the sidebar to the extensions web or something similar.
And finally add customization. Users like to customize their desktop, kde offers you hundreds of options (sometimes they are too many) so that a user without much knowledge can leave the desktop to their liking, gnome in this field hardly contributes anything.
That's something I've always liked about KDE. Want a theme? Well, you go to the control panel, and choose the ones that come by default. You do not like? It doesn't matter, you click on the option to add other themes and from KDE-LOOK, you can download the ones you like the most. Is it very difficult for Gnome to have something similar? I do not think so. But you see, if you still don't decide to put Gnome-Tweak-Tools, which is a super useful tool, what you can expect from the rest.
Although I agree with everything mentioned in the article, only two details. To my knowledge, Gnome 2 wasn't really usable until version 2.20 or so, and KDE 4. until 4.4. Gnome 3 has just come out like the one that says, both the community and the developers are working hard. I think what is needed is to give it time.
Yes, you are right, but we have already gone through Gnome 3.0, 3.2, 3.4 and this version 3.5 is a preamble to 3.6 and it seems to me, that it is time to mature a little 😀
Also I think version 3.0 came out a year late, because it was polishing and stabilizing.
PS: I didn't like the new version of gnome, I was very used to versions 2.xx, since version 3 came out, I'm with xfce; I have tried to use KDE, enlightenment, LXDE, etc. but definitely with the environment that I feel most comfortable with is with xfce.
Actually KDE in v4.2 was already really usable, much more than 80% 😀
What kills me about all the things mentioned, which is each version of gnome shell breaks the scheme of the themes for the same, I like to make themes for gnome shell, I made the first one for gnome shell 3.0 when I went to 3.2 it did many changes, and incompatible, and the same towards 3.4. I already give up with gnome, it's not worth doing work on it.
When I try to be with Gnome 3 I despair of configuring it to my liking, installing an extension to fix the shell issues is outrageous, in addition to installing gnome-tweak-tool because it is useless to have the extension without being able to configure it.
Maybe Linus Torvalds is not so wrong after all 😉
Let's give them time, GS proves to be very powerful and flexible, only that there is no way to configure it from a centralized place and you have to hack half the system to accommodate our taste / needs / use ... but it can be customized, it can be proven. Mint 12, Mint 13 Cinammon, SolusOS 2, Pinguy112.04, elementary OS and all the distros where those responsible have taken the trouble to tweak the system by hand.
Come on, they talked about KDE PESTES when it first came out and today it is an impressive desktop environment.
Well friend, it's just my opinion and I'm sure many don't share it, but now Gnome 3.X It cannot be classified as a "Just out" Environment, they have been around for more than a year if I'm not mistaken and they continue with the same errors, without contributing anything new. Tell me sincerely, do you think how things are going Gnome Shell give your philosophy a twist? Because I don't think so.
The but of everything is that before "this" was gnome 2 and the high expectations arose disappointment
But remember what KDE 4 was when it came out, impossible to use!
I remember the criticisms that rained from all sides, it was like they returned with their tails between their legs to the branch 3.5 ...
Only when they reached 4.4 it was possible to say that KDE 4 was beginning to mature and take the form that the devs had planned to give it; version 4.5 was a game changer in the sense that it was the first release of KDE branch 4 to be totally stable and above all USABLE, from there to this part KDE SC has matured and grown in functions and features by leaps and bounds, I would almost say that at an exponential or geometric level rather than arithmetic ...
I insist: GNOME 3 / Shell is a marvel and we have to give it time, now I'm not following the project so I have no idea where the emphasis is placed in its development, but obviously it is not in the appearance customization part, or the control panel or the details that we all consider minimal and necessary 😉 but are obviously working and a lot under the hood.
I also hoped that by now the graphic aspect was more finished but obviously they have not yet dealt with it or it is not a priority, I don't know ...
Let's see what it holds for version 3.6 😉
For a laptop I would see it well if they advanced a bit, but certainly the fact that the configuration is done through extensions and that they are not included by default makes me go directly to another environment. Icons in general have always seemed outdated to me and still are. Honestly, I'm already a gnome, at least until they reconsider (that at this rate until gnome 5 or 6 nothing xD)
I agree with the theme and the default icons. But personally, once the theme and icons are changed, I love the usability and simplicity of gnome 3. Both fedora and Ubuntu gnome shell remix suit me like a shot, much better than KDE. I consider it more complete than XFCE, not as customizable but much more complete, except for the little wonder that is midori. More stable than cinnamon. Totem simply meets my needs. I don't use an email manager so I don't think about evolution. In short, I usually test many environments but I've been using gnome 7 for 3 months and I'm very comfortable. Of course, for color tastes.
Ah, congratulations on your wonderful blog, one of the best in Spanish. Greetings from Andalusia.
KDE being my favorite at this point, and while rivers of blood are sure to flow around here, I prefer Unity to Gnome Shell. I agree in many respects with the Elav article, but above all, in terms of flexibility to modify the environment. I didn't notice about the icons until you mentioned it in the article, although it is true that they have always seemed excessively large to me. And although not installing gnome-tweaks seems like a mistake, it is still not enough to solve the shortcomings of Gnome 3, and it would be necessary to put a lot of hand in areas that are not comfortable for some users. I personally tried Gnome 3 with Fedora, which I think is the one that best integrates it (I used Suse and Ubuntu also with it), but, to my surprise, the extensions, which add some functions that seem logical, the only thing they achieve is greater instability .
I did almost your same tour and ended up with Fedora-KDE. The problem with extensions is always the same, many are not compatible with recent Gnome-Shell versions, and when you put them in, your desktop gets teased, or crashes, or etc ... Regarding the icons, you can change the size by touching a file that I don't remember now, but, as you say, sometimes you have to put too much hand to get it right.
Sure, a lot of Gnome Shell stuff can be modified by tapping on the theme's CSS, for example, but not just anyone can get there.
You're right, customizing your desktop environment should be a simple activity; I don't think that file editing is the best option today for setting up a desktop environment.
Exactly .. At this point the least they should have is a tool to adjust the desktop without having to touch an iota of code ..
Well, changing icons in fedora is not as complicated as it seems and well hehe… it depends on what kind of icons of course (: if they are faenza or elementary, then with typing: sudo yum install faenza-icon-theme or sudo yum install elementary-icon -theme ready are changed with gnome-tweak-tool, although as you say, if they are other icons then ... yep you have to put your hand: /
Cheers(:
Well, color tastes, I have been using gnome shell in my file for a long time and I agree that the icons do not go with the proposed design, but? Doesn't the same thing happen when you want to configure xfce or openbox? In GNU / linux you have the option to adapt everything, or can you do it in winbug ?.
I think I start by criticizing without founded support as opposed to Malcer's position:
http://ext4.wordpress.com/2012/05/05/probando-gnome-3-y-su-shell-una-menospreciada-rara-y-atrevida-obra-de-arte/
Is it a bad idea.
regards
Of course, friend, the difference is that Xfce, for example, has no more than 5 developers who can hardly cope with programming. Gnome for its part, not only has more developers, but important companies are behind it, and for more motivation, they receive donations.
I am a simple and vulgar user who in 2007 installed my first Ubuntu and after a short time at home I already adopted Linux with Gnome 2.x as my only operating system. I lived happily until Ubuntu made Unity mandatory, at which point I switched to Mint, until Gnome Shell came out. From then until Mint 13 I was tempted to switch back to Windows, while trying to get used to LXDE or XFCE, which looked more like the old Gnome. Fortunately, Mint 13 incorporates Mate which is now my desktop.
I am not a geek but a simple user and as such I seek simplicity, comfort and configurability. Unity or Gnome Shell may be a good idea for a mobile phone, but for a normal user they are totally unusable and very difficult. When will desktop programmers understand?
How about you give SolusOS a try? a very interesting option for those who prefer a gnome 2 desk and with a very well-kept aesthetic
Welcome ozozo:
You are not a common user, you are just a "simple user", the kind of user I mean when I say that Gnome Shell is not intuitive or usable at all. I share with you this idea:
Still Unity not so much, but Gnome Shell.. poof
The author has a way of making posts about what he doesn't like, disgusting
Oh Michel, if you knew what I think about the way you express yourself Ubuntu… But nothing, that's the way we are, you think yours, I think mine.
For my gnome 3 it is generally disgusting, it is not possible that for it to be usable you have to add extensions and that these when they want to fail, besides that it is a headache to give it some personality, also as it will not be I may not integrate gnome tweak tools once and for all, these guys went overboard with the minimalist, which to be and look simple, but they have removed many features that are missed. I stay with KDE and XFCE
Everything the post shows is Real
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XD
I kill the forcefulness of your argument, I was stunned
I think Elav is right about some of the things he criticizes, the theme and the visuals are horrible, the icon theme is very ugly, and to be new it feels old, and Adwaita is not very pretty. I agree with him, and not only me, but a lot of people who use Gnome 3 and think the same, I think they should give priority to dark colors, like dark gray in photo applications.
What I do not agree so much with is Totem, I respect your opinion, but for me it is not horrible, Totem works well, it is stable and does not consume much, and its interface is quite simple.
In conclusion, I think that to be Gnome 3.5.x they should solve once and for all the problems that it has dragged on since Gnome 3 exists, such as the visual aspect of Gnome, as well as more customization options (I do not ask that they integrate the Gnome Tweak Tool, but if they improve the extensions and add the options of this program by default) I think that if it is a very usable environment on PC, it is a matter of adapting to the changes, that with patience it can even be beautiful, and that it still has a long way to go, greetings
Welcome ergean:
On this you comment:
And I am glad that you do not agree with me, because that shows that we are human beings and we do not have to think the same. My problem with Totem is legendary, it has always given me problems with some types of files or with subtitles. It is true that the interface is very simple, I would say even pretty, but I still prefer more powerful players such as Gnome-mplayer, VLC or even Parole.
It's the same as I think. They should polish the image a bit more.
I have tried the Gnome shell in Opensuse, Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian testing and in the Ubuntu Gnome Shell remix, I also tried in Linux Mint and in Mageia, now I write from a Debian with Kde (from a minimal installation) and so I will continue until Let the Gnome team really get on with it. Gnome-Tweak-Tools is essential that it came standard, it would greatly facilitate part of the shell configuration, it should not be subtracted, it must be added, I agree with Elav.
I have been a gnome user for years and in kde I will continue, I think, until the Gnome shell 4, where I will try again. Regards.
Very true Gnome 3 really is ugly they should focus on aesthetics also with a good theme, icons since the ones they have look very old, nothing modern and simply HORRIBLE !!
That horrible Gnome 3 Shell theme with that ugly window border and just the close button, unforgivable ¬__¬
I just installed to test Debian testing Gnome Shell 3.4.2 and I have customized it to the Artwork of SolusOS 2. The change is spectacular 😉 http://deblinux.wordpress.com/2012/06/25/como-instalar-el-artwork-de-solusos-2-en-debian-testing-wheezy-gnome-3-4/
All the best
I have been a visitor to this blog for a short time and I had not come across so many "personal" "opinion" against something for the simple fact that you do not like the image, same discussion about Gimp 2.8 the fact that it does not look good or that it does not resemble the "beauties" that exist in the world of proprietary applications is rated with such low intention (I'm not saying that everything in the free world is good, but you have to provide good, not so subjective criticism).
I am the one who thinks that Gnome 3 does not look good or is "usable" at the moment but from there to give such low subjective ratings is too much, this whole article enters into the ridiculous of the subjective as he does not like said environment he attacks him with "moral" contempt that is ugly yes but from there to get to this is too much, net disappointment I have been receiving from this blog to which I had high esteem for its topics that hovered in objectivity as a novice-intermediate user. but if these subjectivities continue, I predict a bad future for him.
I hope they give reasons for their reasons "worth the redundancy" and establish new horizons before writing articles so poor of objectivity and reason for discussion.
It is incredible how everyone who has disagreed with me, and emphasizes that I have not been objective, nor has they commented on anything that proves "objectively" that I am wrong. Apparently many forget what a blog is. This is not a site where I have to please each user who enters, this is a site where I publish what I think, what I believe, and I respect the thinking of the rest whether they share my opinion or not (hence freedom is respected expression and all comments are approved).
As you say, you are new here. If you had read other comments or articles that I have made about Gnome Shell, you would understand that I do not only speak for the image (that if it needs to be renewed urgently). I have thoroughly tested Gnome Shell as if to say with reason, that for me, it is neither accessible, nor is it pretty. Now it turns out that I can't say what I think? Maybe you wouldn't be so disappointed if I had approached the article in a different way, but what I wrote was what I thought at the time.
Can you quote me some of those subjective ratings as low as you say? By the way, you also quote me where I attack with "moral" contempt and if I'm wrong, believe me, I'll be the first to rectify it. By the way, if you're so kind, could you give us some tips to make sure the blog doesn't have such a bad future?
Thanks for stopping by.
«Looks» «beautiful» «qualifications» «ridiculous» «stable»
And you should learn to write before commenting on this blog
Without acrimony 😉
the matter seems more of troll origin than anything else. the same, criticizes without any foundation.
I see it the same as the first gnome 3.
And I thought I was the only one ... 😀
It is an opinion that is out of the question, but I would like to see in this blog a little more articles related to the use of GNU / Linux; In a past comment I already said, I think they focus too much on the visual and aesthetic issues of the distributions and not so much on the functional. It's just my perception.
PS: I would like an article on Wine. Sometimes there are people who do not switch to GNU / Linux for the simple fact that there are programs that only have installers for windows. Take advantage of the fact that Wine is in the Debian GNU / Linux repositories (Sid and testing) in its latest stable version (Thanks to Michael Gilbert, Hilko Bengen, Stephen Kitt and others); and that is the distro that you use.
Don't worry, I have several articles in mind related to settings, applications, etc ... that is, not so much the visual aspect. Only time and the internet are not enough for me at the moment to publish more, or at least publish more in-depth articles.
I understand your commentator point of view, and believe me that we would also like to write more technical things, what happens is that this type of post sometimes takes research and above all time, something that we lack at the moment .. But don't worry , articles of that type will always be present here.
Well, to my gnome 3 it does not seem so terrible to use nor so cryptic or complicated, everything is there, I personally got involved with KDE more, I used it little but I could not get hold of it, I think it is only a matter of time to get used to it gnome shell
Yes, you are right, I think that what Gnome 3 is failing right now is in the visual aspect, not in the usability as a desktop environment. It seems VERY usable and a great alternative to the rest of the desktops. It is a matter of discarding our fear to change and not to have prejudices.
Well, as in a previous comment I already commented, "we lack the maturity to read / listen to a comment without feeling attacked" elav comments "they seem to me" that is to him, I say I don't like it and the others listen it is useless.
Good article, I agree with you in what you expose.
regards
PS, I don't like chayote (I hope they don't crucify me for this, saying I'm attacking this noble vegetable hahahahahaha)
By the way elav, weren't you going to take a year off?
regards
It was only a couple of weeks, the first ones where he started the new job... it didn't even last 5 days HAHAHA. Fortunately DesdeLinux It doesn't just depend on me, because as you can see, I'm not the one who publishes the most by any means... elav is the perfect complement, because he does publish a lot 😀
Hahaha more or less, but as I adapt to the new job, time goes by to DesdeLinux.
I am frankly disappointed with the current free interfaces. It seems to me they took a step back from everything. Gnome and KDE mainly. How difficult was it to modernize what we had before? I loved KDE 2.x and 3.x, and gnome was not bad until version 2.16, then it stalled and then well, this they call revolution.
It is obvious that the KDE and Gnome developers have every right to do what they are told, but that does not mean that I lose faith in free software for the desktop. Of course, as a server it is flying.
The only desktop shell that I still like is Enlightenmente, too bad that unlike Gnome it has little business support, and very little software based on its framework.
KDE 2 better than KDE 4? GNOME wasn't bad ... until version 2.16?
Certainly, there are as many tastes as there are colors.
It is impressive how Gnome threw everything away, I really thought that KDE 4 had a lot of kicks and cymbals but it is functional and every time it has been right in terms of more stable, on the other hand Gnome the change was very drastic and still shows no signs of customizing. simple as it always was. luckily there is XFCE it meets my needs long before Gnome 3. Greetings.
If I agree that at this point it should be a much more mature desktop environment - which I do not believe has not improved because it has - but if it seems to me that it has many flaws in some aspects that one would consider basic such as customization, As for example the issue of extensions that randomly fail or have incompatibilities, that should be much more refined. But Elav also seems to me that you should try to moderate the tone of your articles a bit when it comes to topics with which you disagree because although they are opinionated (and you clarify it yourself) they can be seen with a certain derogatory tone as already happened. at the time with the Open Office article.
I gladly accept your criticism RayonantWell, it is true that sometimes I spend a bit with the way I write (it will be because it reflects my personality a bit), although if you allow me to defend myself, I think I did not offend anyone with my article, do I? 😕
Man was not missing, offend anyone of course not, but if generate a certain indisposition towards your opinions. In any case, it is also part of the occupational hazards.
Yes, unfortunately, although I speak beautifully, not everyone will always agree with me 😀
I have to say that I strongly disagree with this post, Gnome has ceased to be the boring and copycat desktop to become the 21st century desktop (no one can say that it is not revolutionary), we must recognize the innovation it made from its concept desktop. Let's copy gnome 3.0, 3.2 and 3.4 that I have tested as the main desktop, the stability grows satisfactorily, I no longer have any complaints about crashes and slowness, it is faster than unity (I have tested it and no comparison).
What if it cannot be saved is that it has external extensions and not one of its own, gnome should adopt the most popular ones and give the option to activate them later. KDE can be everything beautiful, with a thousand functions and traditional that you want, but working with it is wasting time with the options scattered everywhere (in my opinion, I have always found it beautiful but I cannot work comfortably with it, unlike the rest of linux desktops)
Well, that some extensions fail is understandable, the page says BETA, there are people who don't seem to know what this word means.
And finally Elav, if you don't like Gnome, why don't you go back to XFCE and stop touching the eggs? With all due respect, but your tone deserves "strong" words. One thing is to give an opinion and another is to believe Linus and rant like that no more.
don-kmi, first of all welcome to the blog. About your comment Who said I stopped using Xfce? And if I used Gnome, would not be exactly the shell, but Gnome classic.
Why don't I stop touching the eggs? Well, because the only ones who feel alluded to with my post are users like you (pro Gnome-Shell) that they are not able to respect my opinion. Furthermore, I am free to express my opinion however I want and it seems to me that I have not offended anyone. To finish, I don't have to be Linus Torvalds to speak ill of something that I do not like, because I repeat, I have not offended anyone like my article.
Hey but you have to be clear about something .. That Gnome Shell in Ubuntu behaves very well ..
I loved the article, in muylinux I got to comment on it and here I comment it again:
Gnome 3 cannot be compared to KDE. I haven't used KDE, but I read about it when Unity and the Gnome Shell came out. If I'm not mistaken (and if I do, correct me) the problem with KDE 4 was that it was very unstable, many defined it as "heavy". However, the problem with Gnome Shell is functionality, stability is perfect, but it is "uncomfortable" and that is not solved over time (they have already had it).
KDE4 in its early days also had functionality problems. In other words, KDE3 allowed MANY more things than KDE4 in its beginnings, many users felt unhappy and switched to Gnome…. me among them.
Today, KDE4 far surpasses KDE3 in terms of options (at least that's how I see it).
regards
+1
An article a bit concise but I quite agree with what it says: GNOME 3 / Shell sucks in design and functionality ... unless you settle as it comes from the factory or you get your hands on everything. The first case will be acceptable to "a few", but the general public that is not going to reach a joke. The second… Well, maybe Linux Mint will accomplish something.
And although it has nothing to do with the subject, I can't help but be a little amused by the comments of the "disgruntled readers" (to put it mildly), after which I have eaten lol. I can only congratulate elav for his opinion article (there are people who still do not understand this concept), and remember that behind Windows, Mac OS X or KDE there are also professional designers, both visually and practically, that they have chosen other paths. Let's see if it now turns out that the GNOME designers have the absolute truth.
+1
Well, here is another that fled from Gnome 3 (Shell and Unity) to take refuge in Xfce.
For me the biggest mistake of Gnome 3 (Shell and Unity) and Metro (of Windows 8) is "forcing" the user to use an operating system that in my opinion is only intended for touch devices.
Time will tell what happens with so many changes
I do not care about the aesthetics or theme of gnome shell, in a plas plis you leave the shell fixed with another theme. I would rather speak of functionality. For example, to install the gnome shell in ubuntu you must delete any trace of unity and compiz (optional), default to automatically enter gnome shell to the desktop, add the gnome 3 launchpad repository, go to the gnome extensions website shell and more and more ...
Come on, make it easy, for one that comes from cherries, for them it is better to try Ubuntu Gnome Shell Remix that brings a 100% gnome shell or a Mint that already gives you everything.
I don't know if the gnome team were thinking more about tablets and the like, what is clear to me is that for a PC it is not the best option, in Gnome2 it was.
And as for the configuration of the upper bar fonts, what am I going to say and as for changing the theme colors more of the same and as for changing the shell size icons in Applications the same etc, etc. Yes, everything has a solution, but there are people who do not have that much time and precisely gnome shell is not as friendly as we expected, for now.
mc5, I have not had problems when installing the Shell, from the same software center I installed it and it works as solid as in Debian.
Also install KDE (kubuntu-desktop) LXDE (lubuntu-desktop) Xfce (xfce4) and they have all worked perfect for me.
Gnome shell is not my devotion but it does not seem so bad to me either. That would seem a good idea to me, if they change the default theme and icons. It would also be nice if you can download add-ons and themes through a kde-style interface. Or that definitive that they facilitate the configuration a little more, since not everyone works the same, to me the configurations of kde and xfce by default are very uncomfortable for example, so I modify them to my liking, do this in gnome shell although not impossible, it is more difficult.
For tastes, colors…. I'm just saying that I love Gnome. And I have tried almost everything. If the main rival is KDE, step…. and look that I have given him opportunities. And the rest of the "light" environments are a backlog with the excuse of minimal requirements. Exist, all the environments that are demanded must exist. And the one I demand is Gnome, that little by little…. get moving…. not as fast as we would like, but it advances and always, in my opinion, with successes.
And as for Gnome Shell, the same story. It is already known that, dry stick, it is an environment to use the fingers and the keyboard, which is the evolution of all existing environments. Let's not forget that more and more people are opting for portability, be it tablets or laptops…. and that touch devices will soon be popular on the desktop. Therefore, the logical thing is to work along this line. But since the "traditional desktop" still reigns ... there is nothing that "two extensions" cannot solve to achieve a fully functional and productive environment.
And as for the icons…. no distribution fulfills its function of being pretty and with adequate icons. Sooner or later we end up changing the theme and the icons. In Gnome they are very slow with the icons and follow a line of, respecting the old designs, stylizing them, which seems appropriate to me. Although it is difficult to supply the missing ones with icons of the same style (almost realistic). In particular, I have always used the same icons, retouching them whenever I can and I like having old-fashioned icons (but svg quality) in designs on the modernity of Gnome Shell and ensuring an integrity that few icon packages give you if you don't work on it a little.
Well elav I have to say that I totally agree with you, Gnome Shell is 'simple' but without the extensions it just doesn't work: / a total disaster.
Cheers(:
Uhumm ...
That's what you get …
It only remains to wait
Look .. let's see pass a couple of lines of code to the developers .. maybe they better listen to you.
Why do most of us think that we only contribute to Open Source when we write a line of code? Sometimes "criticizing / suggesting" also helps.
because if they do not contribute almost anything, how could they be so demanding?
What makes you think that we do not provide (or I contribute in this case) nothing to OpenSource? Also Fernando, every consumer / user by nature is demanding, and believe me, I am not the worst case scenario.
Do you see the plugin that shows the distro and browser in each comment?
This plugin is used in thousands of sites and blogs in the world, we have contributed between 20 and 30 lines of code to this plugin, and thousands of people benefit from this.
This is contributing according to your concept, right? 😉
Do not take a fight partner, as many think that it is very easy to write an article and criticize without basis, it is also very easy to speak without knowing the cause, as in this case. Realize, that the mere fact of helping people in the forum, or through the blog itself, is already an enoorrmeee help for Free Software. Or does that not count?
I know, contributing is being useful. Either helping in a chat, in a forum, writing articles in a forum, contributing code, etc.
Only ... if you want to talk about code, I will gladly begin to list the scripts, functions, lines of code that we have programmed and put to the enjoyment of all 😀
A little exaggerated and without solid arguments, you have not done an analysis, you have made a very unconstructive criticism.
The fact that you do not like gnome does not let you see its virtues, that it has them and many… .You should not close in a band that way, but it is your life, it is your tastes, you are free to express your opinion and I am happy for it.
Greetings.
Thank you for your comment. My article was not intended to be done in Review, because Gnome Shell has been talked about a lot, I only intended to point out that they continue to make the same mistakes from my point of view.
What I was referring to is that you have not seen a single virtue, and what for you are mistakes for others are virtues, but hey, yourself. 🙂
I said it before, but I repeat it again. The only virtues I see for Gnome Shell are:
- Notification system with the possibility of answering an MP <I love that .. - It makes use of technology / web programming for the themes. - Great for touch devices. Outside of that, I can't find anything else.
I have no advanced knowledge of linux, or aesthetics, or codes, all I know is that this blog makes me laugh a lot (as I said in another article), with these debates, and Mr. Elav is always involved.
Hehehe, then they will say that within OpenSource the most controversial figures are:
Linus Torvalds
Richard Stallman
elav
Hahahaha
What I think of your article is that you have given an opinion on something (in this case Gnome Shell) with all the freedom that any human being could have, and it is also your blog. I really don't see a problem with that. You are not the only one who thinks that way, I have also tried the Shell and I must agree with you on the above. I do not deny that I do not like the concept but from there to praise it and not look at the negative it has, that is a lot of fanaticism. a greeting
Good! I like this Blog, it is updated daily with interesting topics. And I understand that there are informative, tutorial and opinion entries. As owners of the blog, it is great that they can express their opinion and much cooler that the appreciations of who we are your visitors are always added to the table. This is not always seen, and less around computing.
So what I read I take as a very personal appreciation of Elav, which I do not see aggressive at all.
Gnome 3 is a good concept. I tested it in its early days from ArchLinux. I gave him a lot of time and version after version I looked for the revolution he proposed. Until mysteriously I couldn't use my battery-powered notebook on Gnome-Shell, which doesn't happen anywhere else. I share with you, the desk has a lot of potential, at the time I got used to working with it and it was very productive. But it falls on very important points and artistic work is one of them. There are sooooo many themes for windows! Why choose that horrible one. And trying to change things only brings trouble. One of the coolest things about Linux systems is that you can have everything to your liking! How is it justified that the revolutionary new version of the long-established environment does not consider customizing it? It is not justified.
When using Gnome I never thought about the possibility of using KDE. The symptoms are clear, Gnome 3 has left a big gap that is shown in the new options that are displayed. I had to migrate myself and now I am happy in KDE.
Greetings and thanks for the space!!!
Thanks to you for the comment Carlos, really. I mostly stick with this part:
Thanks to you for stopping by, reading us and giving us the comment 😀
Really thank you very much 😉
I remind you that gnome 2.X default was also aesthetically horrible
At least it was highly customizable.
I very much agree with you. Before Gnome Shell I prefer Unity, but following your steps I prefer Xfce ... I remember I loved your blog xfceando.wordpress.com 😀
For Lex.RC1.
It is true that gnome shell can be installed from the software center, but my way of doing it is as follows:
1- At the end of the installation, I get to the Unity desktop, update and restart.
2- I open the terminal and install aptitude and update with sudo aptitude update.
3- Now I install the following packages:
sudo aptitude install gnome-shell gnome-tweak-tool synaptic gdebi
4- Once installed, restart and choose in the login menu: Gnome.
5- I add the medibuntu and gnome3 repositories from launchpad (optional) and reload synaptic.
6-I close synaptic and open terminal to install the following package:
sudo aptitude install ubuntu-restricted-extras
7- Go to the gnome shell extensions web page and choose.
8- Now we only need to remove unity, compiz, ubuntuone, shotwell etc very etc ...
As you can see, each one has its own procedure, hopefully all of this could be done from the Ubuntu software center, and in part it can be done, but installing only the shell can leave you with an unfinished gnome shell.
A greeting.
Hello everyone,
In my opinion as an ordinary and very personal user, I do not like Gnome Shell, no matter how hard I have tried, I have used it for more than a month and it does not convince me, Unity is better in terms of usability, at least for me. I had Ubuntu 12.04 installed on my laptop and I had it quite customized with extensions, themes and icon pack; but I tried SolusOS 1.1 and I was delighted with it, so much so that I immediately uninstalled Ubuntu 12.04 and to be frank I am not going to uninstall it, I am going to stay with it for a long time, because, my answer is simple, Gnome 2 is very customizable, Gnome 3 no, you have to install the Gnome Tweak Tool and an endless number of extensions to be able to customize it. Gnome 2 has many more functionalities that Gnome 3 does not provide so far, which at least for me, that 4 years ago I switched to GNU / Linux was because I could fiddle with the system and customize it to my liking, which with Gnome 3 is not like that, I imagine a Windows to which you have to put TuneUp Utilities in order to customize it, in short this is in my humble opinion.
Greetings.
Nobody does as much for the guys from Redmond as the creators of Gnome3, Bill, will be proud and satisfied.