Why I stopped using Ubuntu and will definitely use Windows 8
«(Ubuntu)… it took me time to learn to use you, when you should learn to use me.«
gabriela2400
Surfing the net today, without trying, I came across a wonderful opinion article written by a girl who, surely, must be well known on this blog: Gabriella. With an excellent argument, peppered with a delicious and picaresque irony, Gabriela exposes the reasons why Ubuntu will cease to be, at least for the moment, your main operating system in favor of Windows 8.
The truth is that to say what Gabriela He has said up front you need two things: the first is to have your ovaries well placed to express an opinion of that caliber and then face the radicals GNU / LinuxGood for her; the second is to have the intelligence to present arguments that are true, although many believe that they are only pretexts.
Personally, I want to introduce you to Gaby My respects and admiration, to tell her that I feel fully identified with the problem she raises because it is also mine and, finally, to recommend that you read her article to which she titled Because I stopped using Ubuntu and will definitely use Windows 8.
I read the article in Artescritorio and was tempted to reply. The "truths" that Gabriela described a while ago were radically different from the current ones where Ubuntu happened to suck. At times it seems like the comment of a jilted girlfriend denying her old boyfriend, who They generally go from princes blue to ogres overnight.
Although there are many shortcomings in terms of desktop environments in GNU / Linux, there are also many other virtues that have to do with the performance, security and stability of the system. I do not like the desktop freezing or closing the application all of a sudden while editing an image or work in Blender ... something that happened to me quite often on Windows.
Let's see how it goes with Windows Seven after putting themes and a few months of use when the system slows down ... to defragment and pass antivirus.
There is no simple operating system, much less perfect and I consider that Windows is far from being so .... I always try to avoid talking about Ubuntu since it was the system with which I learned, I learned about GNU / Linux and the ethics of free software and although I did not I would use again (for reasons that I keep to myself) I would not criticize it, having given me so much ... it would be as lacking in codes as criticizing an ex-girlfriend, saving the distance.
Well that girl should try using a 100% free and extremely easy to use distro like Trisquel. Ignoring the controversy and the "holy wars" I think his experience was not entirely pleasant, and although it is true that you have to fight with configuration files and learn to do things differently, I do not see it as bad. Quite the contrary, in my case, thanks to all that I have learned a lot of things by myself, that just now I might not know. And thanks to everything I have learned is that I now have a medium with which I can subsist, so I feel that I owe a lot to free software and its wonderful community.
It also seemed a bit exaggerated, and well I do not see it to put together a whole drama, since Mandriva, Slackware, Mint, Trisquel, Debian, PCLinuxOs, or Ubuntu itself are too easy that it is almost impossible to get lost with them. I really don't understand, you support free software and you go and go that Ubuntu sucks.
It sounds a bit contradictory, but still, everyone is free to use what they want and save all their neurons to watch the movies they want in an infinite loop.
Greetings.
Have you not caught the irony of the post? Reread the phrase Tina put in.
Of course, I have read him in that tone, and with all his "irony" his arguments and phrases seem to me to be inadequate as far as I am concerned.
It is just my opinion.
Why does osx appear in your useragent xd? also with midori LOL.
Hello, good ... I have come to this topic a bit by chance, but I take the opportunity to give my opinion ... I agree with your opinion Maxwell and add:
First, and just in case, you are leaving an unfree system for a much less free one.
Ubuntu is not Free. It is a version of Gnu / Linux, not free, with proprietary parts. While an individual decision like that is totally acceptable, I think the argument is highly questionable.
The central argument is highly debatable, since it hides something from us:
"It took me time to learn to use you, when you should learn to use me."
In general, linux systems are developed based on collaborative solidarity efforts.
Except for companies that turn it into a business, Linux is not at its core for profit. What hides their argument is that by buying Windows, you are paying for the time it took to make it beautiful and usable. And when you buy a Linux totally free you are not paying that time. If you pirate the win, you are not paying that time, but others paid it for you. So the time you take to learn how to use it is the way you "pay" to put it in some way, the great effort of thousands of people who work for Linux for free, just because they want a Free OS. And that it is Free, it is not a detail. It implies that the 4 fundamental premises are respected, that these are the great and enormous difference with Windows. And all the analysis and criticism should start from there.
So he compares two totally different systems at his very birth. And what costs so much is to learn and be collaborative and supportive, because in a society like ours where individualism is increasingly encouraged, a collaborative project like Linux is hardly easy. And if Linux still does not offer the necessary comforts, it is because it is done by lung, and not based on monopolies like Microsoft's that has enough money to advance its technology.
And it should be noted that the other fundamental difference is that he thinks in commercial terms, he betrays him when he says: "user". I do not consider myself a "user" of Linux, but a collaborator, passive or active to a project that tries to make relations more fair, and that does not depend on having money or not being able to have an OS that moves our things.
And it should be noted that the other fundamental difference is that he thinks in commercial terms, he gives himself away when he says: “user”. I do not consider myself a "user" of Linux, but a collaborator, passive or active to a project that tries to make relations more fair, and that does not depend on having money or not being able to have an OS that moves our things. It is not about having time to “play” with Linux, but that with Windows, that time is paid, by oneself or by someone else.
And so is the world because of the division between those who can pay and those who cannot ...
Greetings.
Well, the same thing happened to me with all the ubuntu that I tried, they give me many problems and for that I better stay with guindous because; It's not that I'm lazy and don't want to be looking for settings and files; That's not the problem; the problem is that ubuntu gives me problems with my keyboard; with my mouse; with my internet (it is too unstable; when I connect it in Ubuntu in windows it does not depend on that) and a long etcetera etcetera (I write from echo from Ubuntu; I cannot correct the spelling because I have problems with the keyboard; for the eleventh time and also the startup problems
note: I have no compatibility problems or windows installed on the same machine; I do not have outdated the system; ubuntu just hates me for pleasure apparently hates me or ke?
interesting, but I don't know, each one with what suits them, each one uses with what is happy and comfortable. I stay with LMDE. Windows I will see it for my needs only as a video game console.
Well, just how right! This I had already said before to see if awareness comes, oh I use pirate windows too, problem bill?
Very valid and in favor, while your OS gives you problems or it is not what you are looking for, you can change it.
What I see a lot now, friends or acquaintances who used linux when using Mac are delighted.
In my case, I turned to Linux to make good use of my low-resource pc. But if my PC was better, it would still be on Windows or Mac OS. I currently use Arch, all in the palm of my hand with pacman, yaourt or packer.
But that feeling of having 100% compatibility with the market is missing.
When buying your Iphone, Ipad, a digital camera, a video game keep in mind.
Arriving at my pc I will use it, play it, etc.
With Linux:
Arriving at my pc I have to look for the compatible Sw or search in forums.
But it is SOFTWARE FREE.
Hmm ... I respect his decision, but like everyone else, he seems like too incongruous a person.
This phrase reminded me of the following:
https://blog.desdelinux.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/shutupandtakemymoneyt.jpg
Very true. Just look at the W8 interface and see EVERYTHING that has been copied from Linux. So it is actually M $ proprietary monopoly software that is learning from free software.
The girl is kind of not very well placed in life. But hey, it's your machine. Let him install whatever he wants. There she.
Always the same film: that if he copies from here, that if he copies from there. What if free software than if blah, blah, blah ..., what if safer (2 years old was debian and descendants with a bad cryptographic part and no blog post "auditor" noticed. What a mistake, by the way!) . I have been using SuSE Linux for about 15 years and if there is something that bothers me, it is this horde of pro-linux Taliban who talk about freedom but do not respect that of others and who do not see beyond their nose and, while their precious system is free, they leave their ass for an iPhone. You have to fuck more than remove the bad grape!
What a controversial post!
As for me, Gabriela can go to the windows whenever she wants, if she prefers. One thing is clear: Linux is NOT for everyone, you have to earn it. It demands interest, perseverance, patience, curiosity and the desire to put aside mental laziness. We all know the alternatives to Linux. Just choose one of them, drop your pants, pay the quota to the band on duty and let yourself be trampled, spy and used.
Freedom has a price and everyone is free to decide whether or not they are willing to pay it. Who does not want, then to continue through life with the tablet and mobile without administrator privileges (these people do not root) and pay perfumedly for the restrictive OS of their choice for their laptop. Having the potato ready and chewed is expensive and it is not only paid with money….
What a controversial post!
As for me, Gabriela can go to the windows whenever she wants, if she prefers. One thing is clear: Linux is NOT for everyone, you have to earn it. It demands interest, perseverance, patience, curiosity and the desire to put aside mental laziness. We all know the alternatives to Linux. Just choose one of them, drop your pants, pay the quota to the band on duty and let yourself be trampled, spy and used.
Freedom has a price and everyone is free to decide whether or not they are willing to pay it. Who does not want, then to continue through life with the tablet and mobile without administrator privileges (these people do not root) and pay perfumedly for the restrictive OS of their choice for their laptop. Having the potato ready and chewed is expensive and it is not paid only with money ...
Totally agree, witch, although with the rhythm of F / LOSS in a short time there will be "easy" systems for end users and with all the power of GNU + LInux. Clear examples are elementary OS, Mint and Ubuntu itself (no matter how many children resist accepting it).
Undoubtedly one of the great advantages that we have in GNU + Linux is that regardless of the desktop that the user sees - and who believes that the operating system "is like this" period, as in Windows or Mac - it will always run under a Thoroughbred ready to win the race presented to him.
What I would like to see is that the desktops will accommodate a bit to the time we live and try to bring 2013 closer to the average user with a greater cloud / local machine integration in every sense: technical and stylistic.
KDE has been working towards this for a long time and it shows, the cloud integration it has with its Social Desktop and its services is total, brilliantly executed, but of course, KDE is not for everyone, too many options for users who only need one use basic machine - regardless of the applications you use daily, always talking about the graphical desktop environment.
We are in the future but there are still some who do not realize it or do not enjoy it as they should:
http://i.imgur.com/Xe4tUSu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xr2MWRO.png
http://i.imgur.com/rE4CJEk.png
http://i.imgur.com/gGiyryS.png
Fucking awesome for a desktop environment, a set of applications and tools and in short, an entire operating system not only FREE but, more importantly, FREE AS IN FREEDOM.
Slds.
It will always be a war, there will always be fights, always, but always, there will be people whose opinions do not go according to what they say.
Well, like everyone else, I respect everyone's opinion, although for me it is not correct, it does not mean that for him / her it is something equivocal.
Now, generally the problems that I have run into in Ubuntu have been caused by me, and with Mint (the one I now use) as well. I use Windows on my laptop, but I don't feel comfortable at all, it seems ugly, not very functional and really stiff compared to Linux; But not being able to see my series or things in HD is a total lie, in fact I can without having to lift a finger, I can synchronize my music on my Android with a click on banshee, I can program in peace, navigate in total peace of mind, have my twitter open all day and do what I want and have a nice desktop ...
I don't know, it's all a matter of perspective.
First things first.
First, if you hack Windows you are not doing Microsoft a disservice, in a way you favor it. Why? Because more people can use it if it is a pirate and the more people use it, the more it is developed for that platform exclusively and the more it is developed for Windows, the more people are going to use it, the more they are going to acquire a license.
Second, each user is the owner to use what is best with their PC. Windows 7 doesn't slow down over a few months if used properly. I say this because I work in a company that provides technical services to companies. There is no comparison with XP. It works the first time and well as long as the hardware and the user are supported.
Third, unfortunately the console thing is not for everyone. And not all distros have a really useful software center. Let's not be more closed-headed hypocrites. Installing a program for the average user can turn into hell. For us it is faster than in Windows, but for someone who just wants to use their PC and not learn from it, it goes crazy. And that is the truth, we love to be at the bottom of the system to learn everything, when we have a distro to which we learned how to make it work at our whim and how we like it we end up either getting bored, or breaking it on purpose or changing for another to try. But why does the user who wants to get home, double click and listen to music or watch a movie have to learn to install programs through the console? It is easier for them to get there, download a program in 5 minutes and double click to install it and take possession of the files. I repeat that for us who have been using Linux for a while, it is much faster and more effective, not for the common user whose learning curve goes hand in hand with their desire to simply do the task they want.
Fourth, who are we to judge someone by the software they use? It is just one opinion among thousands. As hundreds turn to Windows because they just want to have to do a click without having to learn anything or repair or get their hands on configuration files, then there will be hundreds more who are hungry to know or in search of a more stable and faster system. move to GNU / Linux.
It is just a fully arguable personal opinion.
+100
Hello .. I introduce myself saying that I have been a regular reader of the page for two weeks and I love that it is updated continuously.
My comment would be the following.
1.- The girl leaves UBUNTU "that Ubuntu is not Linux" because she likes to use photoshop and on a whim, ideation or some other reason she does not want to use Gimp and feels more comfortable with photoshop "pirate" and that is one reason.
2.- To say that something for being easy is better than another is to say that automatic transmission is better than manual transmission or that NetworkManager is better than Netcfg. AND HE IS WRONG.
3.- WIFI card that needs to be configured only once in Linux but lacks time to do so because it has more need to consume bytes of American programming for the offspring.
4.- You have only used Ubuntu because if it is true it is easier to install than other linux distros and it is true Ubuntu is very easy to install .. but it gives problems.
5.- To say that Windows is better because it has Photoshop is a BIG shit.
6.- To belittle anyone who has a different musical preference "ahem: Reggeton" while trying to put your Q status and your IQ above average makes me drop their level of analysis to nothing because heck diversity is not sin. «But hey is your page and the truth is if you have other better articles.
7.- And going back to IQ, someone makes a comment:
I hope Linux between and learn from Windows and Apple that it is necessary to abandon the idea that Linux is for people with IQ over 130. Most of us are average,
I DON'T .. I don't identify myself if I'm one of those from 130 and more. I am not going to have a hard time in Linux and consider the idea of going back to windows because I am mediocre or average. TO THE FREG ***
8.- It BRONCA ṕrooks me about Photoshop, people who SWEAR that they need that software .. I am a musician and once I recorded a song "jam" with a cell phone and it turned out very well, but wow, it was a recording of a cell that had a lot of noise and distortion, I upload it to facebook to share it with my friends and as the Windowcero is never missing. Super Ready he told me .. use a program to clean the recording and I told him I cleaned it as much as I could "with Audacity by the way on Linux" and he told me improve it more as a studio .. I replied kindly: Are you idiot? Do you think that a recording with a cel will be as if it were from Recording Studio? Why do you think Recording Studios exist if Mastering can be done by software captured from a mediocre microphone? .. Do you think people spend thousands of USD on equipment and facilities if the same could be achieved by software? Obviously, since it does not have 130 IQ, I did not understand the sarcasm .. but in the same way that someone uses a program to give only small touches to an audio recording with high quality .. so Photoshop serves to give small touches to images that captured with a good camera, good lighting, good concept and talent of a photographer. Maybe photoshop will only serve to take the job to printing where the CMYK offset is necessary because the PSD file has been imposed as standard but there are still alternatives without leaving Linux. searching slightly. If I am also a designer «one of those who charge to work»
9.- I have also given up evangelizing the benefits of Linux ... I take it as a losing fight ... but now I also stop giving technical support to all Windows users with problems "Or that Windows doesn't give problems?" .. Those same who say that Linux is difficult had to install programs or remove programs because they were also unable in Windows .. format and install Linux in dual boot with windows and never use linux .. now as a Linux user I have more time to my .. to move to the conky and customize my very complicated Linux .. What happened to those people? They now have a pirated windows CD and an external hard drive because they don't know when or how, but Windows is going to fail them "and it's not because windows is bad but because they are clumsy = suitcases." If the truth was difficult to see my brother pay 300 Mexican pesos to a guy to reinstall his windows 7 with a list of pirated programs, but wow, I did them both good. To my brother so that he becomes aware that the team has to take care of it and the technician because he earned his 300 pesos for that, he studies computer science and incidentally I already have one less pending.
10.- Someone left Ubuntu who only came to ask the forums and never gave solutions. We are definitely not going to miss her, one left and others will arrive for the most diverse reasons on Linux. whatever. To say that as there is a great company behind a product makes it better is like saying that Coca Cola is better than a Lemonade because there is a great company behind it or perhaps that Maruchan Soup is better than homemade food and still for she is right for her, BUT that Canonical is behind Ubuntu does not make Ubuntu better than Debian but it shows that she has not used Debian and the truth is that neither have I.
11.- It is the same thing that contaminates Linux companies that want to bring Linux closer to the average than the common ones, because, promising that it is as equal to the usual "windows", if you are a Linux user and you have no problems or you solve them because your knowledge is greater than the others there is a phrase that Mr Incredible says: no one should be ashamed of his powers.
Man, is that an insufferable, macho and misogynistic garbage.
The other day the regaytón gave me a headache at the Décimas del Xanadú.
The same this woman was the typical Ubuntu user who wants to get everything done.
I am also a musician, or rather it was, and I do not agree with Audacity, because it seems more like a program shit that allows you to do very little, the filters are crap.
With the mobile it is not the same, of course, but the program is not good. In Linux we have good alternatives like LMMS, Ardor or Rosegarden without resorting to Audacity
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And also in the case of Ubuntu makes it worse with the hypocrisy of Mark $ huttlegates
Audacity is a shit like the recording and like my knowledge to use sound programs in linux because it is a struggle to configure alsa and in fact I have the suspicion that the sound programs in linux are also super SUITCASES. If you want good recordings, have a professional do it with the equipment that he pleases.
Ardor and Rosegarden are good, but it is the same as always, that the manufacturers do not support Linux and they do everything for Windows / Mac.
Take a look at those two, the same on YouTube there are videos.
Why don't you do an article about that little guy?
I must understand from your insistence that you would use Ardor or Rosengarden to edit the sound of an MP3 and you would apply filters to it from those programs .. ?? Because I clearly said to use Audacity to enhance the sound of an "mp3" sound file.
Although the truth is I think you rushed to reply without understanding the quote, you are trying to say that you would capture sound from those "Rosengarden or / and Arduor" programs which are obviously more advanced options than audacity to capture sound. But how would I use a laptop with a mediocre card "like all laptops" to use those programs "with what it would take to turn on and configure the computer? I prefer to use a CD burner that has a very cool button that I turn to limit the input of sound and avoid saturation .. «I already have this equipment and can use it» ..
nano: I have one in drafts what we talked about
Abraham Tamayo: Even if it is MP3, keep in mind that many backing tracks found on the web are in this format, so it is valid for any MP3.
The interface will influence any program
I subscribe to everything you say but like Courage I think there are things better than audacity.
I think we are a bit bored of those who return to Windows but first want to leave their «constructive criticism» which is always the same: Windows-easy / Linux-difficult. Perhaps a "farewell / criticism / justification" model should be created so that they can refer to it if they are not going to contribute anything new. But what is still endearing is that naivety of thinking that with Windows the problems are over and now if they are going to be able to access paradise, the promised land of computing where after years fighting with the console and the files of configuration everything is already automatic, it is still free (pirate) and works the first time ...
That entry surpasses me, is it irony from beginning to end? I'm going to assume it's pure cynicism.
The "I took time to learn to use you, when you should learn to use me" is amazing. I don't want to be manipulated, I prefer to manipulate myself. It's like having a girlfriend who tells you at all times what is convenient for you, what to wear, how to behave and who decides for you where you will go on vacation. I can learn to deal with the temperament of my operating system, but if I find that I cannot adapt it to my needs, I send it for a walk (no matter how good it is in the bedroom).
It also puts in bold "Free software must learn something from proprietary and that is that they know how to use the user." What a fixation on using you. Free software developers should think more about users to make applications nice and useful, but without adding the covert evil that certain non-free software promotes.
To use Windows 8 you don't need to learn, you are born knowing how it works. There if I agree. My grandmother, who had never touched a computer, was looking at the Windows 8 desktop and a few minutes later she was downloading the latest Titans movie.
It's like having a girlfriend who tells you at all times what is convenient for you, what to wear, how to behave and who decides for you where you will go on vacation.
I wish I had a girlfriend like that, I shouldn't worry about anything, just about the bed ahahaha
Menudo calzonazos XD. Let this stay between you and me: I do not make any important decision without consulting my wife, I better do it!
Seriously, if they make all the decisions for you (and they don't match your wishes) you're going to be unhappy, at least out of bed :-P.
Let them tell me, in the end it has taken its toll ...
The last girlfriend made decisions for me and since I liked them, it's not my fault that you don't find women who care about their boyfriends xD.
Healthy relationships don't work like that. If a girl is dedicated to taking care of you like a mother, sooner or later you will have problems. Either she reproaches you for not doing anything for her (creating a conflict) or you get tired of receiving orders (imposing your criteria). There must be a balance in the distribution of roles. If you turn your girlfriend into a slave and she leaves, it is not worth having her as a couple.
It is your opinion and it is respectable, but the word healthy in this case is not applicable, what is healthy for you may not be for me, just as you may like peanut butter and cause me an allergy. I never had problems with my ex-girlfriend on the subject, in the end always ends up sending one of the two more than the other, this is life and it is impossible to reach a middle ground, the one with the most leadership gift always commands, it all depends however you use it, there is nothing wrong with one of the two making the decisions. A clear example of the uselessness of many people deciding is democracy. If a girl does what you say, of course it is worth having her, it is a gift for few to trust in such a way in your partners, you have to understand that being a couple is not being two people, it is being one, it is being two halves that they complement each other and think for each other. That is the basis and that is why 2 out of 3 marriages divorce, there is no unity in couples.
I will not tell you how many years I have been with my current partner because it is something personal but I will tell you that the number has two digits. My experience makes me think like this (each one lives his own).
And you are right, I have given you my opinion, I do not intend to change your view on women. I just wanted to clarify my position on this.
PS: I don't think people get divorced more for lack of unity, but I already know where your shots go. The truth is that people now have a low frustration threshold. Hardly anyone is willing to suffer just for the sake of it (or for the good of their children).
Let's see guys, how about you go to the disco to dance regaytón? LOL
Well I'll only say 4 words
Love does not exist
But what a pity you give me Courage. So can you tell me what the hell you feel for the woman who brought you into the world?
Damn you have Alzheimer's ... Or I haven't explained it to you through the Gtalk ...
Search the history go
haha ... eloquent and accurate your comment ...
I honestly do not know which is worse for my stomach, if the reasoning of Mrs. Gabriela in question or the "pay Gaby my respect and admiration" that is read in the article.
(I was referring to Windówsico's comment)
It seems to me a legitimate decision. Regardless of what other users do, I will remain happy on Linux, with its pros and cons. I'd rather have a problem with the xorg and fix it than use a system like Windows / MAC, whose philosophy I don't agree with at all. I like to "control" the machine; otherwise it is very dangerous, and history will probably give us a few warnings when the time comes.
Be that as it may, I'm not trying to impose my point of view. As I have already said, that each one looks for what suits him best, because leaving aside the eternal war between free and proprietary software, in the end the priority is personal freedom. And you can choose anything, even get into a shoe box, haha.
A greeting.
If she needs to explain herself, it's because something is fucking her inside.
It's a bitch that something's not working for you on Linux. That's because you bought it using Windows and we're back to business as usual. Taking the easy path does not seem like the right thing to do in computing and in life in general, because it necessarily entails losses, although what it seems is that they are gains.
They seem to me to be reflections that start from a monopolistic vision of the world. Worse still, since its acceptance. And even worse, accepting their violation.
Very good that
I am not afraid of command consoles since I used MS-DOS for many years and was very comfortable with it once I had designed half a dozen "Config.sys" and "Autoexec.bat" that I loaded according to my specific needs and the kind of memory, "extended" or "expanded," he needed. I even designed some Basic applications for myself that worked properly.
I never got to use Windows until 1995 when some friends, after much, really hard insistence, installed it on my computer. From that year on I was pushed by the unstoppable tide that, despite being a simple evolved interface, applications that were not specifically designed for it began to stop being created.
With time and the new versions 98, 98 SE, and Millennium the issue worsened and my long-awaited MS-DOS was like a museum piece in an old 386 along with some floppy disks that I keep in a drawer as a souvenir.
That made me, out of spite, and also out of "Blue Screenshot" tiredness, jump into Linux and after touring Red Hat, SuSe, Mandriva, PcLinux and some more, I finally landed on Ubuntu around 2006 and even, somewhat later, at the indication of a friend I adore, in the "variant" Mint.
A long way and more than anything by idealism I continue to use it especially to work ... But how much truth is there in that article! And how accurate is the phrase that Tina has rescued from the set:
"I don't have time to learn to groom you, it took me time to learn to use you when you should learn to use me"
No, and even if I had that time, regardless of how more or less I have mastered its use, I prefer to use it in other things such as chatting with the people I love and are far away, looking for out-of-print or unavailable music, reading, writing ...
That is why the two systems coexist in my team and why lie? With its infinite applications my "all-rounder" is Windows (sometime I will also buy a very expensive Mac) that with XP and especially Seven, I do not know the Eight, it has made a great leap forward in stability and therefore I move regularly in it although without give up the Linux that I use frequently ... Like right now, although years ago I lost the taste for complicating my life investigating its "intimacies".
I must be a spiritual brother to that Gabriela, because by using both and not giving up any of them I always end up being attacked by one or the other side.
In the supporters of Windows it could be normal but among those of Linux, which I consider defenders of freedom it seems strange to me.
And is that a computer is to make your life easier, not a religion, so if anyone can start using it from the beginning for what they want ... BRAVO!
Gabriela you are spectacular, fine, direct, aristocrat in writing, a whole woman, idelist and earthly, I adore you in the distance and in my silence. Actually I started in Ibm Chile, a journey of the 70s, later the entire win line , less win 8 and in the last 8 or 10 years, linux, ubnutu, mint etc.
Everyone uses the distro that best suits them, you are free Gabriela, I like your frankness, I would say it in a different way to Linux: »Fly, be happy, my window will be open, waiting for your return, freedom my love is a gift or a curse, but you must follow your rationality, your impulses, Goodbye Gabriela.
Windows 7 or 8 only for games and to watch football matches on vshare, since I have never been able to configure the plugins for linux jojo ..
But if the lady is right!
I use Sopcast for Linux and it works like a charm.
veetle to see the games is going great
Is there an application other than the browser to enjoy Veetle? I don't like watching live streams with the embedded player on a web page.
By the way, Vshare works for me on Linux.
And to answer this, from what I see
There are more friendly distributions (Sabayon, Chakra, Pardus, ...) and I do not think that his monologue is well argued.
Ordinary people do not know how to install Windows, if you hurry me not even install Firefox. The adult Gabriela mentions Photoshop, how many users in the lot know how to hack that application? Most do not even know how to use the search engine as God intended.
In my case, I suffer from the problems of many windóusicos who cry when the computer does something that forces them to get out of their routine. They come to my house begging for help (then they are the first to spread the word about the superiority of Windows over other systems).
I am not saying that GNU / Linux distributions are perfect (which they are not), we need some desktop environment for computer-minded and also more "friendly" applications.
hahahaha what an excellent old comment, you have made me laugh a lot with your logic so refined and effective, excellent, excellent
It is very easy, those who say I do not have time to configure you are actually saying I have no fucking idea how to configure you and they do not want to learn, for those who want things easy windows, for those who want things their way linux ,
I have the three systems, win7, linux and mac;
and windows has become the distro that I use the least, to say I have no desire to get into it or to update it, with that I say it all, regarding win 8, I am not going to test it, I do not need it and if I try it it will be in a long time,
In summary; everyone is free to take the distro they want, but I will continue on linux until satiety
If he had told me I'm going to apple world I would have understood it, but tell me that windows is easy ..., someone tell me how long I spent a week ago when removing the fucking virus that I had to do that if I gave an access three would come out all of a sudden xD or the virus that redirected google to another website.
If you want ease and nothing else, osx, if you want ease, freedom and you don't care about commercial programs, linux, for the rest (there is little left), windows.
Without actually reading this girl's article, it seems to me beforehand that she is making a very drastic, albeit respectable, decision.
In the first place, Gnu / Linux is more than Ubuntu and with the amount of "flavors" that there are, I do not believe that there is not a distribution that adapts to it, without counting, with the infinite customization and organization options that they have .
Anyway, a very respectable but very radical decision.
Greetings all.
I just read the article and the only thing that has produced me is a lot of pity for this girl, given the reasons she gives.
Greetings all.
Well, there are no great distros out there that far surpass Ubuntu, staying alone in Ubuntu without trying the rest is like having a fantastic landscape in front of you and living closed in and with curtains ...
The opinions of people who try GNU / Linux for two days and say that it is horrible because their mojonipod does not work for them, like that boy from PCWorld, they should know that if something in Linux does not work it is because of the manufacturer on duty.
And if you don't like GNU / Linux because you have to configure two things and you don't have any neurons left because Windows is too easy and doesn't make you think, then don't use it.
And for the record, I respect that everyone uses the operating system they want (I alternate between Windows 7 and Sabayon), but to me the opinions of people who have no idea and who on top of it release pests of GNU / Linux unnerve me quite.
I agree with you. It makes me sad too. Whoever wants to use a computer and never have problems of any kind, whatever they use, they live in a fantasy world. The reality is that there will always be bugs, problems, drivers, viruses, configurations, updates and other inconvenient commands, regardless of the operating system you want to use. Like everything in life, it requires effort and learning, and a good dose of patience and a spirit of challenge. It is a pity that you do not value more what you have learned with Linux.
Each person uses the Operating System that best suits, likes or best suits their needs, be it BSD, GNU / Linux, Mac OS X or Windows. Reprimanding a person for changing platforms is a closed-minded Taliban. Sure, they talk about freedoms but they don't give you the freedom to choose your platform.
Anyway, good luck and remember to install an antivirus (avast! Free [free]) and an antispyware (SpyBot Search & Destroy) ... And never update your system if you don't have the WGA (Windows Genuine Advantage) cracked
The problem is not that you choose Windows. In my case what makes me funny are their arguments for doing it. Let her focus on the real reason, she's hooked on Windows. It was her first love, with him she learned many things and they have lived a thousand anecdotes together. His relationship with Linux was an adventure, he never took Ubuntu seriously. Someone who bets on Linux does not buy a peripheral without first checking its compatibility. It's like buying a Playstation controller for an Xbox and then since it doesn't work, you go back to the Playstation (basically it was what you wanted). And all his input are light justifications. If you use Windows because you feel more comfortable with it or because all your friends use it, then perfect. He dismisses the Linux users as teenagers with a lot of free time and that is totally false (very bad generalization). The entry is meaningless.
Totally agree, your comment is very accurate.
strongly agree
How much reason, you can say louder, but not clearer
I agree with your opinions.
I want to add that another comment within the girl's publication is that she "does not have time" to invest in Linux ... however in several publications of herself, she refers to her love for video games, which is not incorrect at all, but it makes me suspect that your priorities regarding the use of your time are a bit contradictory to your arguments ...
All this argument is like socks: We can turn it around and it works in the same way.
I ran away from Windows, for the same reasons that she expresses about linux, and the truth is, after three years with mint and ubuntu, I don't expect much from windows, the mere idea of reinstalling it (not being Xp) causes me pain upside down.
A greeting.
(By the way, Courage, I have seen that the Fnac has arrived in Xanadu ... it is appreciated when I accompany my family to their purchases ... Damn PrimarK).
Hahaha Primark, in Islazul there is another one, and since it is cheap they all go there to look at the same garment for hours and hours.
And yes, the Fnac del Xanadú seems great, although I have not entered
Obviously I meant that the Fnac HAS arrived….
lapsus trope torpis est.
Obviously some alternatives for Linux are less polished than the original applications for Windows or Mac, but that in Linux you have to configure everything is something relative. For example, I have used Linux Mint (both the original version and the one based on Debian) and as it comes standard and without investing time or money in looking for additional programs, it allows you to do much more than Windows itself.
In fact, at least my Linux has detected and correctly configured hardware that Windows itself does not install by default and for which sometimes you have to spend many hours searching the internet, just because the manufacturer decided to stop providing the drivers for a certain component that they no longer manufacture, or simply the manufacturer itself ceased to exist or the company was bought by another, etc.
I think Gabriela simply preferred a system visually more to her liking and that supports applications that are more convenient for her, but this does not imply that Windows is technologically superior.
Holding Canonical responsible for the quality of the software it includes in its repositories seems to me as absurd as wanting to hold Microsoft responsible for applications made by others.
Interestingly, each new version of Windows tends to produce the opposite effect because it disenchants me more and more (I am an enemy of cute but inefficient interfaces). I use it a bit at home to play games so I don't forget it and be able to give technical support at work, but in general I prefer the flexibility that Linux offers me.
I honestly believe that if Microsoft has not implemented the patent that was granted to them (and for which to install almost any application you would have to pay an installation key) it has been because of the competition of Linux and Mac. But they have not done so, no it means they won't.
I just want to leave this here:
Trolls:
A troll or troll is an Internet word that describes a person who only seeks to intentionally provoke users or readers, creating controversy, provoking predictable reactions, especially by novice users, for various purposes, from simple entertainment to interrupting or deflect the topics of the discussions, or provoke flamewars, angering your participants and pitting them against each other.
Taken from Wikipedia.
They have been trolled. 😉
PS: Courage, so much resentment in your heart is going to give you a heart attack.
Although I have followed this topic closely after I created it, and having read each of the entries carefully, I always decided not to answer any of them, although many of those answers are, from my perspective -I reiterate FROM MY PERSPECTIVE-, outputs from a radical logic.
Renata, I want to make several points clear:
1.- That I got to the topic written by Gabriela thanks to you, particularly for the link you provide in this comment of yours:
The complete topic, for those who want to read it, is called This gentleman using Windows, Ubuntu and Mac for the first time will remember you when you help your dad / grandpa to use the computer
2.-After reading it, it seemed to me a sincere topic, written from the heart and, from my point of view, well argued. I identified with what Gabriela writes because I also feel the same and go through the same thing: after spending 10 to 12 hours in the graphic design bureau, I return home and I have to be a mother and wife, a friend of my friends and the little time I have left I do not wish
invest itwaste it on learning how to configure my laptop's WI FI to work with Linux. Lack of neurons? I don't think so ... but the truth is that in return I prefer to read a good book in Spanish.3.-I don't know who you mean when you say that people have been trolled, but only two people can; Gabriela or a servant. Of Gabriela I can only say that I do not know his primary intentions or what he intended with the subject, but from my point of view, he seems honest and without bad intentions. For my part I only tried to make public my appreciation for his courage to express those ideas, also honestly and without bad intentions.
I want to end by saying that each of the answers given here I have taken not only as a criticism of the position of Gabriela but also towards what I think and feel, since I totally agree with what she expressed.
Hello Tina.
At no time have I wanted to make you feel bad with this comment that I have left, and I precisely think that everyone uses what they want. It's the same as with Android and Apple, I personally hate the second one but if you like it, then perfect, that's what suits you. And the lack of time is a problem, because when you "grow up" there is so much to do that what you want is for your PC to work and that's it.
I say about Troll, because I know that Gaby is very troll, and yes, her post is VERY sincere, but she knew that giving that point of view was going to trigger comments like the ones that appear here where they call her mindless and others. So let's say that although your first purpose was not to put yourself in a troll position but to say what you thought (it is your blog after all) but there are comments with people so outraged about your decision to use Windows 8 that it became something else. Or is it that you have to pay attention to these people by insulting what she thinks just because it is different? It does not seem to me because it is simply not the truth, but everyone sees the truth from their eyes.
I see you share a disease. I want my PC to "work and go" (and that is what it does with Linux). I can make it "work and go" with Windows, but it takes me longer to get there. So in my experience that argument is funny and false. If you guys are doing badly with my operating system, just drop it and spend your precious time on something else. But don't call the rest small, please.
And if your friend is a troll, let her come here and try to defend her arguments, she will have some free time (thanks to Windows).
xD
By the way, something that I forgot to mention and that I want to say again: here there is not a single person who reads or comments who does not know how to use a computer from head to toe, within the "normal" in the population, we are all intermediate users here -Advanced, or perhaps to be more specific, we use the computer for more than checking Facebook or Hotmail as most people do.
I say all this because the post I published about the man who had never used Windows 8 (and the other OS) is the average population and I call it that because most of them are like that, they do not know how to do things on a computer and even he does not I knew how to use Windows 8 (despite what Gabriela says).
When one / or is criticized for not using Linux but Windows, or having changed, or like me, having a dual boot forever, usually what they say is that yes, Linux is easy to use, but people who already are familiar with this OS -in any of its distributions, that's another discussion-. In my case, when I started using Linux it was in 2004 and I have tried about 5 distributions and although now it also seems easy and I tell other people that it is, when I started in 2004 I had not the slightest idea to do absolutely nothing and it took me a long time to learn, I was frustrated. Ok, now it's more user-friendly but there are still some things that are very confusing and still have to be done by console, which bothers me, because I, I, I am not finished learning the codes to do it because my brain is busy in other more important things. Taking into account that we come from a society, the custom is to double click on everything because we are stuck with the Windows idea, the transition is almost never easy.
I want to end by saying something and although I LOVE Ubuntu, it is my favorite distribution - I hate Ubuntu in 3,2,1 ... - the latest versions have given me problems, quite a few: with the updates I lose other things that I already had as flash support, Or I installed Cinnamon and the computer never started up again, just to mention two very recent ones. For someone who likes to test programs all the time and who has only one computer and who must work 8 hours a day with it, it is not worth fighting to see if it works again. And no, I'm not going to use Arch or any other because I don't like them, I've already tried them.
In conclusion, 1. you have to respect what each person decides to use, and 2. you have to ask yourself, can the average user?
I'll be honest with you, if the GNU / Linux distributions I use gave me more problems than Windows, then I would go back to Windows without a second thought. And I wouldn't write an entry trying to justify my decision.
Analyzing that post from a neutral point of view (something humanly impossible), I feel an unpleasant whiff. Deep down he believes he has matured by leaving Ubuntu and that is absurd. Linux takes less time than Windows. For easy systems you have Apple's. At the first problem you just have to take out the wallet.
When he argues with things like "He who is free from sin casts the first stone," I laugh softly.
If I continue with what he writes in the comments, I will not stop. You must respect if you want to be respected, always measuring the words. And I leave the subject because it is not relevant either, each one to use what suits him.
One last thought: Any advanced Windows user can learn in two kicks how to use a GNU / Linux distribution for the uninitiated (without wasting any more time). And by advanced I mean those who know how to install drivers or hack the system / applications.
ahahaha it's always like that .. xD
And what is that comment about?
Can you know what I have done?
If I get unemployed, then what are we going to do, it is not worth living.
What do I read?
Courage gets a free hint (very direct) from Renata (desktop) without having done anything. It seems very unfair to him, to tell the truth.
Nothing is free in this life. And it is Artescritorio, with a single E.
Well, you endorse it for free. And yes, there are free (and free) things in life ... the problem is that people live by seeing and determining a value for everything. It's the interest problem ...
Is that your argument against what he says TDE?
Let's see, I still want to know what I have done to take that comment away
You could explain better my daughter, it is as if I leave the definition of a word and do not explain why I define it, I think it is a lack of respect woman ...
Renata, what are you looking for with that message? You want to teach what a troll means with an example, right? Because your message seeks to intentionally provoke, creating controversy and eliciting predictable reactions. The same thing Gabriela has done in her post.
pandev92 y TDE:
Renata and I had a run-in in the summer at Artescritorio, as it didn't come from there ...
Because if not, I don't understand what your comment is about.
In passing also for Windousian.
Oh come on, is this blog linux or windows?
It is a news blog, it talks about all the topics, something that I like a lot about it, although from the name I can deduce that more than GNU / Linux, not like other blogs (I will not say names ..) that claim to talk about a topic (GNU / Linux) and it turns out that they only talk about Mojonbuntu (sorry, I respect whoever uses it, but I don't like it at all and as a distro and because of the company behind it I don't respect it at all).
And regarding the comments that I read above, you are right, the girl in the article liked Windows, tried Ubuntu, did not like it and fell even more in love with Windows, but I still do not know what people mean by easy-to-sell software, use and control (I don't know which is worse, knowing that they control you and not doing anything or not knowing it), I don't know, I install Windows on a PC that does not have it from the factory and since it is not very new, I have a very bad time To find the drivers, with linux I arrive, I test it and it recognizes more than 90% of the hardware the first time.
It belongs to people who have plenty of time and bad grapes.
I read the girl's Post and the only thing I understood is: «-I don't have neurons», »- I don't want to fight», »- I don't know what dual boot is», «I'm talking about free software and I consume pirated software», and She is still angry that they insult her, I would not have said anything in her place…. if Linux is not your thing, leave it! I'm not good at managing people so I don't! greetings 😀
If I found an original W8 CD lying on the ground, the first thing I would do would be to kick it and the second to throw it away. I want to clarify that I am not exaggerating, it is exactly what I would do and in that order.
Well, I would sell it second hand, at least we get some pasta in these times of crisis hahaha
ahahahaha xD
mhh, no matter how original it is, if it doesn't have the license paper it's like nothing xD!
Precisely what Tina said was what happened. They were all radicals to defend Linux and the free from the proprietary. It is seen that they only read what suits them: p hehehe
Well, I have read people amazed by the tease of a woman wanting to warm up the staff (I mean Gabriela). If she were my friend, I would tell her that she screwed up. He was able to be more stylish and leave the ninja turtles alone.
To do what "Gabriela" did you need 3 things:
The third is "social unconsciousness."
I could go and ask for a job at micro $ oft; presumably the private sector and its corporate culture should like it very well for the decisions it makes.
Where is it requested? It's that they pay well there, I'm running xd.
I want to thank Tina for being so kind in the way I review my post, decently.
I didn't bother reading all the enthusiastic comments from readers of desdelinux because honestly... it doesn't entertain me nor do I have the necessary time. Among those I read, I saw many agreeing with me.
Yes, giving me reason, apparently many do not know how to read or do not have time like me and they just skipped the Ubuntu part sucks. And they didn't read the first paragraph, thanks for agreeing with me, it wasn't what I was looking for but it feels cool.
It is likely that I who do not work in front of a computer every day, nor do I make a living from programming, being a technician, managing networks or websites, or whatever, I have tried more Linux distros than most of those who comment here and they rip the clothes and they call me stupid because I consume gringo series and I don't have time to "learn new things."
Fans always fall for the same thing, apparently all the knowledge in the universe includes learning to use Linux.
I have had to grow up and invest my time in other things, Linux doesn't feed me, it doesn't take me to work and it doesn't hug me at night (I don't know how foreveralone you are ...)
So I don't have any more time to "Learn and not be an idiot who uses windows because it's easy."
Nobody owes loyalty to a product, much less one that causes them annoyance, if your fanaticism makes them insult others they should think a little more how much it is worth it.
Ubuntu sucks, as does the restaurant where I was going to eat 1 year ago where they made an excellent cut of meat and that the last time I went it was terrible. It sucks like that, I stopped going, but maybe if a friend comes back and tells me the food is good again I will look out and give him a chance. But in the meantime I'll go for something with better flavor.
Try to write a short comment because since the article I wrote was very long, most of the comments skipped many parts and only those that would serve to drag me on the ground were read.
Greetings to all, use what makes you happy and stop spitting on others for changing your mind. They already seem religious.
I agree that Ubuntu sucks, however you make the following mistake:
linux=ubuntu
A very serious error, if Ubuntu gives you problems, which is normal since it is rubbish that does not even deserve to belong to the world of Linux because try another.
You have hundreds and hundreds to choose from.
It is as if you want to win the Primitiva and you don't play it. What are your chances of winning? 0%
So is…
completely true.
Cheers(:
I have tried all the systems that run on my pc and none is crap, what if it is true is that ubuntu is not the best, but you realize this now after as you say, that you have been years and years ? That is to be short-minded. It is clear that writing what you have written makes you want to put together a flamewar and I'm not going to go in because it is not worth arguing with women. What was said:
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You don't deserve an answer.
The best comment so far, here the aunt has come rather to touch the balls
It is very difficult for everyone to agree on such matters; Everyone has their opinion. However, as I said in my first comment, I insist that each one use what best suits their needs and point ball. It may seem good or bad, but it is her life, it is her decisions, and if they are good for her, olé, as they say in my country.
I may or may not disagree, but that is completely irrelevant. That is to say, that another user leaves Linux to go to Windows does not affect me at all. And if he's happy there, great. In my case, I prefer, today, my love affair with Arch, and in the last two years, I have used Windows for 1 week, of which 2 days were to install updates, haha.
On Linux, let's face it, once you configure the hardware and programs you are going to use, how many times do you have to reconfigure them? They work for life, unless you change them or change distro.
A greeting.
sorry:
Some VS are interesting and others annoying, everyone uses what they want and how they like, "but you have to be honest." After being a win user for 7 years, I fixed it, tuned it, installed everyone and solved all their problems. One day a colleague brought ubuntu with compiz and I told him that I would do the same and to tell me a more pro distro, he told me slackware. I'm not sorry to say that slackware ripped my pride off, chewed it up and spit it in my face and I was crying like a naked girl in a corner, how little I knew. I didn't say slackware slander by hiding my audacity and that I couldn't. Linux is not just another OS, it is very demanding but it rewards you by sharing its secrets and changes you in many ways and levels.
Okay. I have taken the trouble to read each comment and as several have done, I preferred not to comment…. however, this has gotten a bit out of control.
First of all and most important, read this article:
https://blog.desdelinux.net/mas-alla-del-tipico-no-me-gusta-linux-me-regreso-a-windows/
I quote a part:
The most important freedom that the user has to choose which operating system to use
Gabriela, Renata, Courage, Pandev, elav, and the thousands who visit us every day ... each one has the freedom to use the OS that he likes best, suits him, benefits him, etc.
As well as we all have the freedom to exercise our opinion, which has or does not have to be objective, grounded, logical, etc., and depending on the quality of the opinion and the quality / intelligence of the readers, it will be the reception that have the same.
Calling a user stupid, an idiot, or something else because they choose Windows over Linux, don't you think that makes the opinion-giving look a bit dumb? . I don't want anyone to be offended, but understand that freedom of expression exists, yes, but like all freedom: «individual freedom ends where collective freedom begins»
I'll take my mother as an example, she doesn't like working on Linux much less in LibreOffice, because she prefers Windows98 + Office 2003. Can you imagine my reaction when she says no? ... but hey, no way, she is an accountant / economist, her time and work DOES NOT include investing a few hours or minutes in understanding how another OS or application works, no matter how similar it may seem, she must dedicate her time to what represents money, profit, and be as productive as possible.
The same happens with Gaby, she is not dedicated to computers, she is an internet fanatic, yes, but that does not mean that her salary / salary is linked to computers, she (like almost everyone) uses technology to entertain herself, have fun, and if for her entertaining means:
- Press a button and the PC is started and ready
- Watch series / movies videos
- Edit photos in a program you know and master (PS)
And since she was little she knows how to do that with Windows, does anyone have the right to demand that she invest hours of her free time in stopping doing what she likes, learning something new, and then doing almost the same thing that she did before?
Let's put aside the issue of licenses, piracy etc, because she (like others) is a user who does not care about the issue of licenses, whether this is something negative or not ... for her it does not represent an impediment.
Anyway ... I just ask for a bit of sanity, by default we Linux users are classified as radicals, Taliban, stubborn, freeks, geeks, nerds, weirdos ... etc, let's not give any more reasons to be classified like that 😉
regards
Your article is respectful to everyone, as it should be. I suppose Gabriela is your friend and it is logical that you do not want to intervene.
Your partner doesn't do the same. It sounds like you've had a reveal and wants to share it with your readers (Linux teens and Windows adults). If she were respectful, she wouldn't get so many sticks. Linux users are radical for her (yes or yes). Otherwise we would not use an operating system that sucks and wastes your time. No matter what is written here, she was already clear about it before ;-).
PS: He considers you immature by the way :-P.
Respectful to everyone yes, and regardless of whether you previously know X or Y user. And, contrary to what I know many people think, no, it is not my intention to defend Gabriela… in fact, she is not the type of person who would need it.
When you say "your partner" I don't understand, who do you mean?
Similar happens to me with the ending (the PD)… I can't understand what you mean, could you be a little more explicit?
regards
Blog partner (artescritorio).
If you wanted to defend it, you would have intervened before (I think). I meant that I understand that you want to stay out of it because you are colleagues at the desk.
About the PD: [joke] That Renata and Gabriela in privacy must call you immature for being a "GNU / Linux Freaky". [/ Joke]
100% agree KZKG ^ Gaara .. I no longer pay attention to everything that is spoken here "because it is more of the same" ..
Use what you want and be happy \ O /
First of all greetings to everyone!
We are going to the same, respect first of all, using such an OS does not make me a better or a worse person, they are questions of practicality according to needs. No OS is more difficult or easier than another. For most, Windows is easy because it comes by default and is configured as standard on almost all computers and it is what we have wanted to get used to all our lives.
Windows on my old computer only for virtual machine to see very specific things. I banished it was my choice and I do not regret it, I enjoy my Linux installation and everything I have learned.
In my case, I told my brother to have a dual boot on his machine, since he first bought his own machine to play games. I installed Linux Mint for him to work on documents, surf the internet, among others. and that windows 7 will use it to play (to be honest sometimes I play), but that it will not use to do everything in windows because we already know that at the same time it is necessary to reinstall it, in addition to the problems that it usually gives for the reasons that we all know.
If we like Linux but we don't have much to configure x or y, there are options, there are rolling distros realize or semi rolling, the * buntus have LTS versions (I personally lost ways to install and test a new version every 6 months, to mi doesn't make much sense).
Let's be honest and realistic about one thing, as they said before, the Linux universe is not just Ubuntu and Windows in a clean installation for a common user who tries to get on track to maintain a computer itself is chaos (more if people lose the drivers discs and machines are a bit old, and I say that because I went through it).
Nor is it necessary to be so papistic on these issues, it is like in my case, I am a Linux Mint user and I deny and attack Ubuntu and its users just because I don't like the interface or things like that.
This fight for the OS is like a fight between us Linux users for desktop environments (I personally use the 3 "big" KDE, Gnome and XFCE and you learn a lot, but that if I don't buy Unity), each who uses the most comfortable according to the needs and their abilities.
Personally, I am definitely staying at LMDE. I'll also wait for the Mint 13, as the Mint 10 I have on another partition will run out of security support shortly.
absolute truth…. this is to give a comment
thanks!
very good article .. I myself have to die at the hands of WIndo $ since I work with iTunes to be able to Jailbreak the iDevices, and personally I do not care which one has less trash or more, my goal is to be productive and that have a good performance, I currently have a pc with my LINUX, and I use XCFE as a desktop manager, and I have another with windows xp, with itunes, net framework, to the network drivers. more nothing, no sound, no graphics controller.
Anyway @Gabi I am 100% in agreement with your decision, and that is not why I will stop loving free software as I love it, only you have to be realistic, Windows has many good things that Free Software developers could use, one of That is the easy installation of programs and configuration, another thing is the Environment of the Applications that are super nice.
Anyway, I'll be the happiest guy in life when iTunes for Linux comes out 😛 and I put a phrase that a friend told me: Dream, with a tomorrow, a new world, maybe it will come .. Dooooondeeeee, iTunes will serve in Linuuuuuxxxxx, goodness, Steve Jobs will be rebornaaaaa .
AJAJAJAJAJAJAJA….
Why do you put my phrase without asking my permission? I'm going to sue you ... 😀
For peace and harmony to return xD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s4dAIado0w
Hehe More provocative could not be the article. And considering the analytical skills and malice that Tina often reflects in her articles and comments, I would have no doubt that she had every intention of setting up a "flame war" with this article and perhaps even cruelly amused herself with it.
I even got tired of reading so many comments.
But hey, what I'm most interested in discussing has to do with a particular aspect. Tina points out that Gabriela offers "true arguments," and some comments endorse her saying that Gabriela is right, while others say she is not. I do not intend to evaluate the validity of the argument, but to make some clarifications about the use of these terms.
An argument is a set of propositions (or statements), which express a reasoning, where the conclusion is supported by the rest of the propositions (called premises or reasons).
However, although all types of reasoning present this supporting relationship, there is only one type of reasoning that has a demonstrative character: deductive.
It should not be said that an argument is true or false, since what are true or false are the propositions of the argument. When non-deductive reasoning is used, the argument is said to be reasonable or rational. When deductive reasoning is used, the argument is said to be valid (or logically valid).
It is also important to distinguish between reasons, reasons and objectively sufficient reasons, since only in the latter case they have the character of evidence.
The reasons for affirming or believing something refers to expectations, desires, emotions, etc. that a person has to believe or affirm something.
The reasons refer to everything that gives certainty to the person himself that what he affirms is true or probable for him.
And objectively sufficient reasons are those that can be accepted independently of the person who declares them, with a character of sufficiency (coherent, complete and conclusive) for any subject with pertinent knowledge of the subject in question (pertinent systemic community).
Source: Villoro, Luis (1986), Believe, know how to know, Siglo XXI, Mexico.
Greetings.
Very interesting about the arguments, I suppose Tina has taken note.
I have not read any comments that speak of true or false arguments. Thus above I only see that his argument is praised or criticized (and there are good or bad arguments).
I'd like you to try those claims -since you give a whole lecture on how to do it, I think you can achieve it without any doubt-, otherwise I DEMAND YOU that you apologize. You may or may not like what I wrote, you may or may not like my style, you can even say that the subject is bad ... or insufferable if you want. It is part of the freedom of freedom of expression and I am aware that any point of view that is published is subject to criticism, but to affirm that I do it with malice and to suppose that I am cruelly amused with it is to cross the line of freedom of expression and your freedom of expression does not include judging my person, much less foiling me with the adjectives of malicious and cruel. I do not allow that and make it very clear why YOU ARE NOT ANYONE TO JUDGE MY INTENTIONS BECAUSE THOSE ONLY I KNOW THEM.
I will debate the rest in a few moments because right now I am going out.
In the world no one is anyone to judge others.
First of all, I apologize for any kind of offense that my comment may have caused you.
I accept that the way I expressed myself in the first paragraph of my comment was inappropriate, but I never intended to disqualify or judge your intentions. Now that I reread it, I understand your discomfort, because I know that in its literal form it can be interpreted as an injury.
However, I would like to clarify some things that, although they do not justify my mistake, if they could explain a little the meaning that my ill-fated comment originally had.
The first mistake I made was not being clear enough when saying "I would not doubt that" because although it is an expression that indicates a mere opinion without assuring anything (and it was in that sense that I used it), it can also be interpreted as the antecedent of an affirmation.
The other mistake, which was also a semantic mistake, was in the use of adjectives like "malice" and cruelty. " In my context, we do not usually use the term "malice" not in its sense of evil, but in the sense of "mischief" "sagacity" or "calculated cunning." On the other hand, "cruelly amused" in a literal sense, is a very strong qualifier reserved for people who enjoy the suffering of others, and in no way did I have that in mind at the time of writing. This expression (which I assume to have used responsibly) carried rather an ironic sense with reference to the fact that the uproar and confrontation that arose with your article could be satisfactory, to the extent that it was foreseeable.
I still think the same as I did when I wrote my first comment (in the sense that I have just explained), but I regret the careless series of misunderstandings and ambiguities. At no time did I mean to offend you, but the fact is that I did and for that I reiterate my apologies.
Greetings.
PS The apology is the result of my moral convictions, but not of your demand.
🙂 What I understand is that the apologies, which you so kindly offer me, are the result of my demand -if I don't protest, you don't realize the matter- but it's not what motivated you personally to offer them.
In any case, of course it is appreciated and, as your nobility requires, my sincere apologies for all the fuss in hopes that this will definitively settle our differences.
Thank you again.
ps I clarify that my native language is not Spanish, but English, that is the reason why sometimes it is difficult for me to understand some expressions in Spanish.
I'm really sorry but ... I'm completely agree with this.
It seems to me that it is already good on this subject. I think it is time to clarify things a bit.
Everyone thinks as they want and that does not exclude the editors who kindly collaborate in DesdeLinux. I do not understand why so much trouble has been made with the article of Tina, which in all fairness, is very well written and only shows the intention of reflecting their point of view through the post written by Gabriela.
Regardless of whether or not what you have written may be true, it is your opinion, your way of seeing things and ALL we have to respect that. That the article could generate a Flame wear? Of course. Can someone tell me when they have seen an article on a blog (other than technical) that does not generate an almost always heated debate? That will always happen, whether the content is objective or not, because not all of us think in the same way.
Pandev with your article of OS X, Courage always attacking whoever listens to Regueton, myself defending Debian o KZKG ^ Gaara defending ArchAll of us here have generated "Flame wars" in one way or another, and let the one who has not done it cast the first stone.
I like GNU / LinuxI don't think I can feel more comfortable in another Operating system, but that passion does not blind us, there is still a long way to go before new users (using any distribution, from the easiest to the most complicated) arrive, install and start working without having to configure something or without presenting a specific problem.
We cannot go through life criticizing and offending those people who for one reason or another, want or are obliged to use Windows u OS X. I repeat: We have to respect each other's decision and opinion. We have always wanted DesdeLinux be a place where Freedom of Expression is always at the top (even when it is above logic and objectivity) as long as it does not fall into disrespect towards the rest of the users.
PD: I have many more things to say, but right now a situation arises and I am on my way out. Excuse me, but the keyboard has no accents and I was unable to type some words well.
The main theme already smells. I have two dual-boot computers. In one I have Windows XP and in another I have Windows 7. I hardly ever use them (this year I calculate 4 starts with each one) but it doesn't seem like a sin to use them, nor is it a crime (unless you use pirated software). My partner uses Kubuntu on his laptop and since Windows Vista won't start he no longer complains about his shitty computer (we're talking about a woman who doesn't know about computers).
We all participate in discussions often, it is entertaining. But if you participate, you must accept the criticism. Someone who uses pirated software can not come to me justifying himself with "throw the first stone ..." because I throw it at him. If you want Windows 8, pay the license, if you want Photoshop CS5, pay the license, if you want Trine 2, pay the game. It is not the same to share audiovisual material than software (at least in my country).
Respect and tolerance have nothing to do with pissing on you and saying it's raining.
And your point of view is? Because you haven't said anything that I haven't already said myself. I do not understand. 😕
@elav, I put it by points in summary plan:
1. We should leave this entry once and for all.
2. Many things can be improved, but new users CAN ALREADY USE GNU / LINUX just as normally as with Windows.
3. That everyone respects everyone but if you need to defend a point of view do it, which is not bad.
4. We cannot ignore someone promoting illegal behavior in public.
5. Let's leave the subject.
It is true that point 4 does not go with your comment, but I was lazy to write it elsewhere.
I answer you in order of summary friend 😀
1-. Agree
2.- Remember that many devices (Hardware) do not work as they should in GNU / Linux, and if you do it in Windows y OS X. I think we all know reasons and causes here, but don't expect a new user to know how to open a terminal and execute a command or modify a file, so that said device works as it should the first time. I don't know if you understand my point of view.
3.- Exactly. But to issue a personal criterion, it is not necessary to offend another person who does not think like us.
4.- Can you tell me in which post of <° Linux Has someone done something similar? Although I remember you, each one adjusts as he wants to his code of ethics and morals.
5.- As in point 1.
I insist on point 2: you can buy equipment / components compatible with GNU / Linux (I'm talking about everyday hardware obviously) and easy to install (or with the same difficulty as Windows).
There are tutorials to use Playstation controllers on a PC and they are not easy to apply, it is not your PC's fault.
Hopefully we have good support from all manufacturers soon. But I can assure you that if we buy components that do not have it, they will continue to pass from us.
On the 4: Tina links an article where an apology is made about that.
And what does the regayton have to do with here?
It's just that I can not explain.
But well otherwise you are already defending whom we already know, even though Thirteen has spoken a truth like a temple.
And don't be mad, but it's true
I already told you once, that if I have to defend Tina, like any other user on this blog, or on the forum, I will do it without thinking twice. To this day, I have never had the slightest negative brush with her, on the contrary, I really appreciate her, but my comment is not to defend her, if that is what worries you, my comment is simply to defend "Freedom of Expression" and "Respect" that should be taken for the opinion of others, something that you unfortunately do not do.
The truth is only one, like the lie, without middle points. Thirteen did not tell a truth, Thirteen he simply expressed his opinion and criteria towards a certain topic. Let his comment be "a truth" for you, because everything that serves to attack Tina, does not mean that it is for the rest. Fuck Courage, you look like a 5 year old baby.
Leave it uncle, you don't know. Besides you say that I have a mania for Tina, how could you not say that.
I am neutral like Swiss :).
And like Johnson's baby shampoo ^ - ^.
Haha well it stung my eyes
Thirteen:
Regardless of what your comment demonstrates or fails to demonstrate, I appreciate the fact that you take the time to teach us what louis villoro supports on how to evaluate an argument.
To all that you have written I would add:
Within the journalistic genre, that bad or good, is what we intend to do in this blog there are two great genres; those who disclose facts as they occurred -the news, the report and the chronicle- and those who share ideas and / or express a point of view -editorial and opinion piece-. Both genres are based on the premise "Facts are sacred, ideas free" -"Facts are sacred, ideas free"-.
If I had intended to give a noticia I would have just written: "A few days ago, in her blog called Artescritorio, Gabriela published an article in which she exposes her reasons for leaving Ubuntu to use Windows 8 as an operating system"
Can anyone accuse me of telling a lie? No. They will judge Gabriela and her motives but not what I write unless I am missing the truth -the facts are sacred-
When, then, does it stop becoming a news item and become a Editorial or opinion piece. Well, precisely when, who writes it, gives an opinion or opinion about it: «A few days ago, on her blog called Artescritorio, Gabriela published an article in which she explained her reasons why she left Ubuntu to use Windows 8 as an operating system. This from my point of view seems fine to me«.
The simple fact that I express "This from my point of view seems good to me" he leaves it aside as a news fact to frame it within the sphere of opinion. So is this an editorial? No, it is not. I only express that something seems good to me, but I do not determine that: Does it seem good to me that Gabriela You have written your article expressing your ideas or it seems good that you abandon Ubuntu to use, from now on, Windows Vista? This example illustrates what you have explained so well about the validity or not of an argument.
Let's see why:
Can anyone, without violating freedom of expression, say that it is wrong for them to Gabriela express himself? I do not doubt that there is ... but they will be the least, however things change if it is interpreted that what I wanted to imply is that "... I think it's good that you use Windows 8 instead of Ubuntu«. The latter will be accepted as a truth or a lie depending on the context and the prevailing ideology, among other things, on the site where I publish it. Thus, therefore, for some it may be stupid what for others it may be an intelligent act. Here we enter the field of the asegunes where the "truth" is not universal or demonstrated by axioms of logic but by cultural baggage, knowledge and, above all else, very personal experiences.
However, this that I put as an example does not seem to me to be adequate to be considered a responsible editorial, because the ambiguity of the opinion leaves an easy and comfortable exit for the opinion-maker and leaves a vacuum of responsibility. I didn't do that, I poured out my ideas and took a stand; I wrote my opinion and, most importantly, by making it public, I made it aware of two things: the first is "… ideas free"; I have the right to express my ideas and, the second is that others, as a consequence, also have the right to have an opinion. This second point leads me to assume the responsibility of accepting all kinds of criticism -favorable and unfavorable- and it is my obligation to respect them and I think I have done so to the extent that I have not tried to refute any of them.
But this responsibility to accept criticism of my opinion does not imply, as I said before, that my person or my intentions be judged: you can say that from your point of view I am wrong, that my topic -not me- is biased and manipulative, which is a "Flamewar" -Byzantine discussions have been created even because someone says they don't like it Unity- and even up to «With those opinions I piss myself off the potty»… Like this, with those words. But, on the other hand, I am not responsible for the reactions and the comments made afterwards, except for my own. No comments have been edited, scratched and / or deleted. Each of them reflects the kind of respect we feel towards others, the opinion of the opinion maker and their ideology. Just like you, Thirteen, I will not judge each case in particular because if I did not do it before, I will not do it now.
A very good and thoughtful comment, now well:
This second point leads me to assume the responsibility of accepting all kinds of criticisms -favorable and unfavorable- and it is my obligation to respect them and I believe that I have done so to the extent that I have not tried to refute any of them.
Refuting is not disrespectful (I mean refuting of course), indeed, for me it may be the opposite. Especially if you bother to read the reviews, take your time to understand them, and then respond politely (no offense).
At this point I think the discussion has lost interest and there is no point in continuing it.
Respectfully Windousian, nothing obliges me to answer or refute a statement, certainly I could have answered each of the interventions but for personal reasons and that, of course I do not have to explain, I decided that my silence would be the tacit respect for the right that everyone had to say what is best deemed convenient. Answering within a framework of respect was just another option and I decided not to exercise that right, because it is not an obligation. On the other hand, I didn't think it was convenient to defend the case either, because in the end what almost everyone did was criticize Gabriela and absolutely no one questioned me why your article seems to me, in the background and in the central point, correct. In other words, what they criticized was her actions and not my reasons.
On the other hand, I don't know if this discussion should be closed or not ... or should it be forgotten or not, but if you wish you can stop participating at any time. And I say this with all due respect, I'm not trying to prevent you from giving your opinion, far from it. Now, if what you ask is to close the topic, you do well to request it from elav, but at least, that request should be accompanied by a «... what if Tina agrees »at least out of respect for my work, that I eat elav He said he does not disrespect anyone, does not promote immoral behavior or violates the values of ethics.
Just in case I clarify for you, the issue of pirated software seems to me to be one more thing than a substantive issue on the subject and I do not judge that when evaluating the reasons for Gabriela: she did not move to Windows 8 to use pirated software as the main motive… abandoned Ubuntu for very different reasons. Unfortunately, in a period of honesty, she admits to using pirated software, I don't know if she uses it or not, it's up to her, but my intention was never to promote such actions.
And after Courage asked why I made the comment what did I do to him.
By the way, I know it is very off-topic but it is highly homophobic to call reggaeton "regaytón", especially because being gay IS NOT AN INSULT OR NOTHING BAD, and secondly because this "music" is far from being homosexual, quite the opposite. .
I would not like to answer but this is already beginning to touch my heartstrings
That was unnecessary, because with that antipathy what you do is give up what according to you do, respect
The typical phrase when someone does not know what to say
Yes, but it just so happens that you are not an administrator (like me). So you don't have to ask anything, the administrators have enough judgment to know whether to close.
I would close it (And I could, but I abstain because I am not an administrator)
Framework of respect? Now you have not been so edge, but ... And to Thirteen? Did you answer him correctly? I don't think so, and all he has done is give his opinion.
For my part, I already close my mouth because on top of that they will scold me.
Luckily you don't have a mania, if not ... but nothing, I better not tell you anything else lest you come up with the little topic that I always defend Tina and at this time of day, I am not to read children's responses. Come on, come to Cuba, I'm going to buy you a "wooden" horse, the real ones are very expensive 😛
It's that you always defend her, whether she's right or not
No CourageLook, in the first place, the topic of the discussion is not my antipathy, if any of you have a personal problem with me, this is not the right place to deal with it. On the other hand, I believe that I was clear that my freedom implies refuting an argument or stop doing it if it seems like that, that is my decision and no one else's, whether you like it or not.
If you think "On the other hand, I don't know if this discussion should be closed or not ... or it should be forgotten or not, but if you want you can stop participating at any time" It is not knowing what to say, because I do not know of another way with which I can respond to the fact that she insists that she considers that the subject is no longer enough and / or that she does not like it. And it is not rude, nor do I pretend to be impolite, but hey… if I go into a theater and halfway through the film it turns out that I find it boring because I leave, I don't have to ask for the screening to end. And the same would happen with a book or a lecture ... if in the middle I don't like it or I'm not interested, I'll abandon it, period. No one should take that wrong.
As for closing the topic, of course elav He has the faculties to close it whenever he wants and without telling me anything, however I am sure that doing so will not act unilaterally.
A Thirteen I have already answered you and I think my answer is clear: you have every right to criticize my opinion, not to judge my intentions or my person.
It seems to you that my answer is rude, I would like you to cite the part where I offend, or it is understood as an offense, in my answer to him. If he says that I am a malicious and cruel person in public I think I have every right to
ask himrequire you to check it out.Of course, the point is to put the matter aside because you know it to be true.
Don't you know so much about everything? Well think
As you wish, my Lady:
@Tina Toledo, you have all the right in the world not to participate in the topic you have opened, it would be more.
And the truth is that nobody has criticized you, in fact nobody has criticized the move from Ubuntu to Windows or the disenchantment with GNU / Linux. If you look closely, they all focus on what Gabriela has written and how she has written it. That someone goes to Windows matters little to me, you only have to see my comments on a similar case (Archer's), but if I see scratchy arguments I complain. I can't imagine you writing something similar, I think you have more style.
If you identify with her in something it does not seem strange to me, I felt that way a long time ago (and I downloaded "free" games for my "unattended" Windows, I used Photoshop, ...) but I have matured and now I do not use Windows 8 because more "eye candy" (notice how my last sentences can irritate more than one, the article you link is full of many similar).
I don't think it's necessary to close the post, just letting it die is enough (buried by new entries).
When you say that they have not criticized me, do you mean my subject or my person?
WindousianHere is the history of all this, I only intervened once to clarify some points with Renata I did not want to intervene in the others, for better or for worse, I even bit an ovary and went through things like this:
… It is not worth arguing with women.
I intervened when Thirteen began his participation calling me malicious and cruel and with Courage seconding it. Most complain that what was written by Gabriela It is provocative, although I do not see the names of any of those who have participated here in the GabyThey have written what they wanted and as far as they wanted without any impediment.
You yourself affirm:
. Do I not have the right, then, to demand an explanation from whoever calls me malicious and cruel? Those adjectives with their own name are no longer within the debate of ideas but within the personal.
It has also been the only thing I have claimed from Thirteen, you read his comment and said:
And indeed I took note and argued perhaps not what Thirteen I expected, but what I thought was pertinent. I did it with all education and even you said:
And, curiously, the only one who can claim to have been rude, without pretending to be rude, in my answers is you, Windousian Therefore, if any of my words or my attitude has been rude to you, I extend my sincere apologies and I clarify that it has been unintentional.
Finally, this theme, like all themes, will eventually get old, run out and end up buried by other new frescoes as you say.
And you don't stop pouring bile.
Right to ask yes, right to demand No.
By not being our boss or our mother, you are at the same level
But you have
Renata, if he said that, courage is because he is homophobic and I believe it exactly the same as him at that point, reggaeton or whatever it is written is shit, it is not music or nothing, even a Gregorian song has better musical quality than songs What do they say * perreala, touch her, dominate her, teach her, hit her hard…. *, if it really seems like they're singing porn.
@Tina Toledo, Courage has criticized you (then I was wrong to write that nobody had done it) and Thirteen I don't know very well what he was trying to do but I took it for granted that you would answer.
About "it is not worth arguing with women", well, what am I going to tell you, I like to debate with any civilized person.
@Renata, it's not a lucky expression. On the one hand it offends the homophobic reggaetonists and on the other hand the reggaetonphobic homosexuals ;-).
Oh God the one who armed! And all for the same old thing: everyone uses what comes out of their balls, period. This, almost, is like arguing about which color is better than another, anyway.
Yo, I better pass by ...
me too ... better posts are needed that don't talk so much about KDE but about other things ... and less discrimination against ubuntu and more info about the linux world.
It is something for which I have routinely stayed out of the Linux forums, however the "magnet" attracts iron. I thought that certain bad rolls would be a thing of the past but I see that they are still valid.
There are not only the logical exchanges of opinion more or less intransigent but insults and contempt between and towards the other linuxers for the type of desktop, Gnome against KDE and both against minority ones. Also some distributions against others, even sisters, that is, each one that I cite against the others Red Hat, Fedora, Mandriva, Slalkware, Suse, Gentoo, Ubuntu, Mint ... and so on "to infinity and beyond." Denying some even their legitimacy as Linux.
So what to say against the "enemy" whether Apple or, above all, Windows? If he is also a "traitor" who claims to be more comfortable on the other side and who prefers to work, study or have fun than digging into the guts of the system ... if they do not shoot him it is because they do not know where he lives.
I use the OS (s) that I want and no one has the right to recriminate me or call me lazy or ignorant because perhaps, and I do not want to refer to me specifically, the person that the assailant has worked more than what he is going to do in all his life and his careers, doctorates and masters can wallpaper the entire house of those who call him ignorant ... Who knows!
On the other hand, what is seen in this discussion, not only by them but especially by the so-called Courage and TRECE, is outside the furthest limits to so-called education. It is not that they show their disagreement by issuing more or less exalted arguments, it is that they insult and belittle the author and the messenger who, on the other hand, and it is enough to read their contributions, gives them a thousand turns in writing, expression, experience and open-mindedness.
On the other hand, this misogyny, this hatred of women in some interventions, I see it as simple resentment that they prove to be more intelligent than oneself. In short, an inferiority complex.
I do not know how administrators will take this intervention of a newcomer but, precisely as new I think illustrative that they appreciate the image of the Blog shown by some.
As Alvaro de la Iglesia said in Spain in the magazine La Codorniz in times of the dictatorship after a “dangerous” article:
Bombín is a hottie
how cushion is X
and I don't give a couple of X's
to close the edition for me.
And how could it be less at that black time: THEY CLOSED IT!
We will see this time, in another place and time ...
P.S. In use of my freedom I have closed Mint and send these lines from Windows 7, because I feel like it.
Let's see, nobody is interested in you using mint, windows 7 or osx, I write the posts in this blog from osx, what is about is that you do not justify your decision to use one operating system or another, fuming and talking shit, that's the problem.
I understand more and more that Spain is the country with the least reading comprehension in Europe.
Indeed, I am free, so now I write from Mint and maybe tomorrow from SuSe ..
On the other hand, and referring to reading comprehension, I don't know where you are from but I have understood you despite the fact that in Spanish you don't say "speak shit" but rather "throw shit through your mouth."
I also understood what you said that you were "neutral like Switzerland." You can be neutral, acidic or basic, your PH is up to you, but Switzerland is "Neutral". 😉
On plagues and other stories, reread many comments and you may be able to understand what he was talking about.
Greetings.
You see, before writing you would need more Spanish classes, an Italian tells you.
neutral, tra.
(From the lat. Neŭter, neŭtra, neither one nor the other).
1. adj. Indifferent in politics or refraining from intervening in it. Neutral mass.
neutral.
(From the lat. Neutrālis).
1. adj. That it does not participate in any of the conflicting options. Apl. to pers., utcs
2. adj. Said of a nation or of a State: That it does not take part in the war moved by others and embraces the system of obligations and rights inherent in such an attitude. U. tcs
In fact the two terms are exact, that happens to you to go smart.
About talking shit, it is just as correct as shit, grammatically it has no errors, so I do not see the problem.
My last answer about this because it seems to me a simple attempt to divert attention from the real problem, that is, from the incredible attacks of some.
I think that maybe if you follow the links you will come to understand the difference between neutral and neutral.
http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=neutro
http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=neutro
You're welcome.
About your little phrase I only found this, of course in a so-called "Free Dictionary" of local idioms.
http://www.tubabel.com/definicion/5144-hablar-mierda
Yourself if you want to use it. Of course you will be understood but ...
You're welcome, again.
Sorry, I made a mistake on one of the links.
http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=neutral
Do you see that you have even bothered to read what I said? you have put exactly the two links that I used for my previous post…., then they will say that I am and the other.
The dictionary of idioms specifies that this way of understanding it is from Honduras so it does not work.
It is not to contradict you, but I remind you that neutral has several meanings such as "Indifferent in politics or that it refrains from intervening in it." Although it is true that it seems more appropriate neutral (for the context), pandev can consider this issue a political issue. And you can consider Switzerland neutral because of its lack of interest in international politics XD.
Indeed my friend, excuse me, I had not noticed your intervention.
Switzerland can be politically neutral because in principle its ideology at any given time will depend on the party in power, but in terms of disputes of any kind, it is historically neutral.
And from the looks of it there must also be a lot of dwarf penis. But that, behind a computer is not seen.
There is a lot of cock of the bar in this country, that's why we do so well. Unfortunately in Spain there are too many "Spaniards": I used to fuck that one, that goal was even scored by me, me, me, me ... and only me. He certainly fucks little (is it because of the dwarf penis?)
He will write better than me (each one has his style) but his speeches and his interventions in this post are very "pipe"
Hey now stop the thing ... ¬ ¬ already boring to see so many comments
There has to be some way to turn all these comments into a video, a soap opera episode, to make it more graphic. What a soap opera! Don't miss the next chapter.
idem ... and totally agree with gabriela2400.
reading (some) comments I realize that fanaticism is extreme and extremes are bad, even going so far as to offend a lady ... that's wrong, very wrong
is that they do not finish understanding that linux in their majority is useless ... and not because they constantly tell them it will be.
but exceptions can be made and in the field that concerns me (art, design and animation) I can say that blender (example to follow) krita and mypaint are exceptional tools.
of the sismeta as such fedora for its support to the drivers and gnome3 for its original interface, see if linux already has its own identity and stops looking like a winclon or macclon
"(Ubuntu) ... it took me time to learn how to use you, when you should learn to use me." And so, they have to learn from users, not just Ubuntu, ALL opensource programs should read these lines, if they are not sentenced to 1%.
I think this topic has been forgotten, however I will only tell you something: You have to learn to use GNU / Linux as you have to learn to use Windows o Mac OS. Well, until now, I have not heard of any baby that was born knowing how to work on an Operating System.
Thanks for stopping by and commenting.
Excuse me, but your comment is absurd for saying it in any way, why would I have to learn to handle an operating system? If I learn to handle design tools, which is what interests me, and as an office worker I imagine that he would learn to use office suites, the case would be of a person who works with computer science and the like, that if he has to learn all.
Friend you are very wrong, one cannot be subjective when expressing an opinion of something general, and much less fanatic.
You're wrong if you think I'm a fan. Also, where is the absurdity in saying that you need to learn to work with Windows As with GNU / Linux?
As you say you use design tools, very good, but how would you know how to get to it if you are not able to move in your OS? How do you know where to save your work, where to install your applications? A secretary, even if she only uses a text editor, will be much more efficient if she dominates and knows how to control (or at least move around) on her Desktop or OS.
exact! is that to open a program, save a file or print a sheet you do not need further knowledge ... another thing is to install programs, configure systems, networks, etc ... for that is the technical service department that takes care of that, am I wrong?
What the operating system does is facilitate these operations, I see extremely tragic having to open the terminal and write lines of code in these times that everything is beautiful and easy
The users who know how to configure the system are a minority and from my own experience I can tell you that they do not leave the default document folders and the shortcuts, I know segregated, engineers, etc ... who do not know how to change the screen resolution or install Quicktime
what I mean and cites this article is that the system has to be done to the user, not the other way around
With KDE you don't have to open the terminal at all 😉
Have you seen their 'Control Panel'? 😀
Not KDE anymore but has tropo hundred simple distros to not use terminal
I mentioned KDE because in reality the user does not work with the OS as such, but with the applications, and KDE seemed to me to be the one that offers the most customization options 🙂
Nor that he has read all the encyclopedias or knows how to drive trucks. You understand me?
Well I hate you, fed up
And me more, although you and I are the same. But it's normal, those of us who use Linux are always doing the apostolate and when they don't listen to us we get along very badly because everything is the result of a great inferiority complex that we feel when we go out into the real world. But when we return home, behind the computer, we are gods for a few hours. We even jerk off playmates.
Hahahaha windero suppressed.
Now man, come out of the closet and stop modifying the useragent that you are not fooling anyone.
Dude.
That last word was more ...
windero? Modify? no heart, I do not pretend to be anyone, I am an adult and mature person, the opinion that I gave, I gave it, based on knowledge that I have thanks to my experience and my studies.
And if Linux does not improve the product-user relationship, unfortunately it will not come out of the hole, do you want examples? iphone, chrome ... and so on.
I did not know that opening the "Interné Echplorer", chatting with "er Mesenller" and entering the "Féisbuk" is to have studies.
You have no idea what Linux aims to do, but not the slightest idea.
You didn't hit a single hahaha. I use chrome, I don't chat (never) and facebook, by God ... I make animated audiovisual productions for educational target aimed at a child audience, (comics) and I would also like to do ulgo in openmovie ... that's why I'm interested in blender
but ... enlighten me! what is opensource?
Hahahaha what a championship masochistic trollaco we have here.
Let me break me, break me, pee me, slap me, tear me apart and laugh in your face JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Do you call making a puppet with Corel Draw your animated production?
http://www.subeimagenes.com/img/house-facepalm-55453.jpg
The goal of any real distro is to offer an open source system where there is a community to help.
Nothing to want to succeed
You write that you "agree" with Gabriela. Well, not me and many others. I seem to understand (from your comments) that if someone says that the GNU / Linux distributions are good operating systems (on a par with Windows and Mac-OS), then they are a Taliban or a fanatic. If you really believe that, you need help. You are a Windows addict or a joker (much worse). I know it is difficult to adapt to Linux at first (due to withdrawal syndrome) but it is worth it. It has many advantages over other systems and you can take advantage of them. Don't be as shy as Gabriela.
Windousian:
Please stop with this topic now. Do not force us to close the comments of the post, because maybe someone has a point of view to give without the need to offend or attack anyone.
@elav, I didn't mean to offend anyone. If someone is offended, please cite what bothers them and I will respond with an apology or clarification.
well ... you didn't understand well.
rather I say that fedora and gnome 3 seem excellent
that blender (example to follow) is major words and I would dare to say with the little I have tried it that it surpasses 3ds max in performance and virtues (which I have always used)
krita is a photo editor at the height although it can improve and I can easily replace photoshop,
Gimp that is mediocre and kde seems like a tragedy to me.
etc ...
but let's see if we understand each other, I am not saying that the system is bad, that it does not work ... what I am saying is that it should improve its relationship with the user.
The problem is that throughout history, for example ... let's take Windows and Mac for example. These OS were thought from the beginning to be UserFriendly, that is why they are recognized as the simplest or easiest to use.
While, if we go to the history of Unix-like systems (Linux for example), you will see that they were thought and developed from the beginning to work and work WELL, the developers did not care much about making it friendly, it is not that they thought that a housewife or secretary were going to use it, that ... that at that time was unthinkable.
With the arrival of Gnome, KDE and other environments, that began to be corrected, to the point that KDE has many more options and is a thousand times friendlier than Windows (just to give an example).
In other words, Linux was designed and developed to be collaborative, stable, functional and safe, not friendly ... the latter began to be taken into account later 🙂
@ KZKG ^ Gaara, according to what you write but KDE has a desktop since 1998 and GNOME since 1999. From the beginning, these projects tried to make life easier for new users (housewives included). Sad that I have to bite my tongue when reading opensanctux stuff like:
If KDE is a tragedy, Windows 8 is the downfall of Wilhelm Gustloff.
do not bite it hehehe, express yourself that with decent words it is digested better
I have many points to say that kde is a tragedy but I have not defended windows at any time ...
An OS is simply a means to be able to develop a job, it depends on the operator of its functions, its tastes or its state of mind, whether or not to have minimalist or cluttered desktops with gadgets, utilities, etc ...
if windows is a tragedy also that I do not deny, it must be less tragedy than all, that is taken by statistics.
The fear of using something new, the pre-installations, in short, all the marketing makes it the most used
marketing! Bill gates has been very good at that
@opensanctux, don't be offended but your arguments are more than hackneyed. If Windows has a gazillion users, it's because a gazillion computers are sold with Windows pre-installed. Ordinary people are pretty clumsy with computing. Many do not know what the desktop, the taskbar, or the control panel is. If you mention the term "regedit" they have a stroke.
These people cannot live long without an "expert" explaining how to change the desktop background, how to launch the browser, or how to save a PDF document. I'm sick of solving absurd and ridiculous "problems" of people who don't bother to use Google (sometimes just a little poking around with the mouse pointer is enough to get what they're trying to do).
Some give you the excuse that they don't have time, but then you discover them playing Spider Solitaire or Minesweeper. That crowd has the audacity to write that Ubuntu sucks because it doesn't bring them coffee in the morning. The funny thing is that they say the same about "YOUR Windows." When their incompetence comes out, they blurt out something like "My Windows sucks" (other people's wipes your ass when you go to the bathroom).
not at all annoying, but the truth is that you are not right.
the user does not have to know how to configure a machine, so easy it does not matter.
If a doctor buys a machine with a webcam to chat with his daughter in another part of the world "he does not have to know how to configure a machine" he will simply open messenger and that's it.
If a secretary, find out where this minesweeper is. It is not a big thing, we are all curious by nature, which does not mean that she has to know how to change the resolution of the screen ... she simply does not care, she does her job (and technical service does hers) and from there to her house to doing homework, fighting with their children, worrying about debts and a long etc ... He has things in his head to worry about how a pc works.
to say something and to give examples, and without going into details of age, gender, social level ...
friend, THE CONSUMER in this case the user is respected, listened to, consented, etc. So sell the OS or give it away. why? It is the cornerstone of any project, what happens is that as Windows lives off its clients it pays them much more attention than Linux does in general. that's why I'm telling you that kde is a tragedy, because it doesn't even have an identity.
and to leave you something, I am not defending windows.
I quote that snippet because it is your main idea "opensanctux". People do not have to know how to configure a machine, which is true. Unfortunately, current and old computers can't do everything for you. So the consumer sticks around and learns how to configure the printer, the webcam, or the Internet connection. If you do not want to solve the problems that arise in the normal use of a PC, you will have to turn to a cousin to solve them for you (or pay for technical assistance).
When computers speak and understand our frustrations, it will not be necessary to look for the beans. Meanwhile, neither Windows, nor Mac-OS, nor OpenBSD, nor Linux,… will know how to read your mind. Learn and stop nagging.
Many have asked me how MSN and Skype work, or how to change the screen resolution. And they used Windows or Mac-OS, those wonderful systems that pay so much attention (to your wallet).
I had not seen your page, you like kde! that's why you defend him tooth and nail and that's fine, but you also have to know how to criticize him, criticism is the best way to progress.
"When computers speak and understand our frustrations"
but if there is, an example is the iPad
Likewise, it happens to me with many people ... and you explain it to them and they understand it and after a week they are asking you about the same thing, I cannot judge my uncle who is 64 years old and all his life was a mechanic for not learning to install games. that's what we are for.
now ... this discussion focuses on the discontent of a linux-kde user, the question is not to attack her, the same would be to ask why, define the problems and find the best possible solution. agree?
@opensanctux, I know there is a virtual attendant on some Apple toys. But he has the artificial intelligence of a high school student high to his eyebrows. It won't fix all your problems (although you'd like to).
Gabriela used Ubuntu with Unity (not KDE) because it is the coolest desktop on Linux. Now the Metro goes.
By the way, I know the weak points of KDE, do you know them? You haven't named any in your long comments. Tell us what makes it a tragedy. Give concrete examples and stop rambling.
Let's see, see….
is that I told you, kde has no identity and that goes beyond operational problems, compatibility or programming. I'm talking about a logical approach, a target, an operability, a synoptic logic, a production study, a marketing ... the almost divine relationship with the user ...
is that it does not have production planning or design, and if it does, it was not done by someone professional.
I hope you understand me! What I am talking about is precisely what the subject is about, it is that it does not face the interface with the user "even if you like it and it is well programmed" it does not mean that it is well done, that it is a product for the public and hence part
And I gave you the example of the ipad, iphone and chrome, behind those products there is a team of professionals who did and do a huge MARKETING STUDY
is that it is difficult to speak like that if you do not follow the threads, I leave you this link that I find interesting from another user who does not like KDE and expresses it why:
http://noesbuenosersincero.blogspot.com/2012/01/la-larga-agonia-de-kde.html
@opensanctux, at least you've put a link from someone that's pretty clear. In that opinion piece some weak points of the KDE project are mentioned. It is true that Plasma is a monster that allows extreme customization, reducing the simplicity of the whole. It is true that there are plasmoids of doubtful utility, but there are also very interesting ones. I am still not convinced by the activities, since I am more of using several desks (I use them lately). You are wrong when you write about KWin. I have tried KDE on several computers (with Intel or NVIDIA graphics cards) and it works fine on all. If he has a bad experience it will be because he does not know how to choose the right equipment.
He has an apocalyptic vision about the project that I do not share. KDE is reaching some maturity and the number of users is growing rapidly. Whenever a desktop or environment survey is launched, KDE and its applications (such as Dolphin) appear among the best. Look at an example:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/2011-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-award-winners-928502/
KDE should prepare a simplified interface (with many customization options hidden and blocked by default) that does not scare off beginners and clumsy. That would avoid the complaints of the less capable. I also see appropriate a kind of "Kaptan" (as in Pardus), an assistant to help the newcomer. And another point to improve is the documentation that accompanies the project, but that I suppose will improve little by little.
And as a personal opinion about the author, he seems like a first-rate curmudgeon. You must take more fiber.
I think our views have been well established and we can close the dialogue. I don't like zombie themes.
A greeting.
I don't know why you doubt my word, it's that you don't even know who I am ... anyway
But it does not make sense, that of wanting to make an operating system (that does not work) and that no one uses is not relevant, then why look for stability, compatibility, alternative programs and so many stories ... being great has nothing to do with being opensource , and if you reflect a little, the bigger the better.
Let's see, dummy, I see that you still don't find out.
That you do not like it or that you do not know how to use it does not mean that it is an insufferable shit that is useless.
It works for me, I don't need Windows at all.
I will explain it simply:
Windows is highly unstable, contains thousands of bugs, errors, and is highly insecure since viruses and Windows are almost close relatives. What good is an OS that 98% of people use it, yes, but if it is that bad?
However, 1% of people use Linux (a figure that is not so ...) yes, but it is stable, contains fewer bugs, and is so safe (and I repeat, stable) than Facebook, Google, MySQL, Oracle, etc. They use it on their servers, the world's banks use it on their servers, stock exchanges, etc. etc.
Understand what I say? 🙂
KZKG ^ Gaara.
If I understand you and I agree with you, although many of those things are moved by myths, Linux can have viruses and Windows is much more stable than it seems.
Now answering, what is the use of it? you can do a professional non-linear editing on windows or mac, on linux the only professional alternative is cinerella and to use it you have to compile it ... that's not normal.
Hello
First let's start from: what is a virus? … I won't dwell on the concept too much, let's just say (and I hope we both agree) in which it is malicious code that is included in the software automatically 😉
Starting from this principle, yes, in Linux there may be viruses ... technically it is possible, they have existed, but without wanting to be exaggerated I tell you that out of every 1.000.000 Windows viruses, there are only 2 viruses for Linux.
I recommend you read this article that we put, there it explains in a really detailed way why, even though it is possible that Unix-like systems are vulnerable to viruses, we still cannot find them:
https://blog.desdelinux.net/virus-en-gnulinux-realidad-o-mito/
About the last thing you say, I don't remember the name right now because I don't work with this type of software, but once I read about video editing software for Linux, which is paid but according to the comments it was more professional than the free ones.
Be that as it may, let's not fool ourselves either, if you are someone who is dedicated to professional video editing and treatment it is obvious that you will find better options in Windows, likewise better in Mac, it is not about that Linux is the best solution for everything ... well no This is the case, as well as the needs of each user are unique and different from the rest.
Where I want to go, is that yes ... Linux technologically (technologically yes, because philosophically it is a different matter) is not the solution to everything, but its many virtues cannot be easily covered, and it does not have as many defects as people say / think 😉
regards
malware! I am learning little by little
Windóusico, we are understanding each other ... there are no real threats of viruses in linux, there is no perfect sismeta
Who benefits that there are viruses in linux? 1 microsof, 2 those who make antivirus programs ... out there you can deduce many things.
good dynamics of the post although we left the subject, I am only going to leave you a wikipedia link, yes, I know it is not reliable, you can search and check ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware#Viruses
agree with you and read the article, very good!
but ... in the world nothing is impossible and in the computer world less, also keep in mind that a virus is not the only threat in an OS
Indeed, nothing is impossible. The computer scientist who says: "this is not possible" ... that is not a computer scientist or anything, he is mediocre haha.
Yup, there are backdoors and more problems, curiously there are much more in Windows (and its applications), and I'm not being a fan ático
PS: what I do not understand is because there is antivirus for linux?
To clean Windows viruses desde Linux
And also so that the developers / vendors of these antiviruses get fed up saying: «Our product is multiplatform»And nonsense like that 😉
Reading Courege's comment I started looking for "list of viruses for linux" I found this:
http://www.taringa.net/comunidades/ubuntuparataringeros/1328507/%28On-topic%29-Listado-de-virus-en-GNU_Linux.html
that, if they solve it immediately, if change user, etc, is another story, the annoyance is.
@opensanctux, if a taringuero were to make a list with all the malware for Windows, it would take months to achieve a fairly representative one.
Malware exists in Linux, but it is much less dangerous than in Windows. Viruses cannot replicate themselves and cannot infect USB sticks on their own. The user must be more stupid than in Windows. If you search the forums, you will see that nobody complains about having their GNU / Linux system infected by viruses.
Every now and then I scan my hard drives and find only malware for Windows. So that's not a Linux problem. Don't try to convince us otherwise, antivirus developers already do it for you (without any clear success).
wait, there's something wrong ... you're basing your argument on attacking windows.
You are simply telling me that there are no viruses in Linux, if there are! what are two? it doesn't matter, I already create a precedent.
Yes, the KZKG ^ Gaara has that fucking mania, as much as I tell him it's like talking to the wall.
Looks like an Ubuntu fanboy at times.
Yes? … O_O… it was not the intention.
I do not need to discredit another OS (Windows) to defend or say the positive points of Linux or SWL, to do this second, just start writing ... and the list will be extensive in a few minutes
@opensanctux, the problem is that you do not know what you write. A computer virus is a program or software that executes itself and spreads by inserting copies of itself into another program or document. In Linux that does not exist or has not been proven to exist. So you will have to give me a concrete example to believe that there are 1 or 2. I am not worth worms, Trojans or back doors that need human stupidity to work.
I write about Windows because it is the system that popularized viruses and other malware, thanks to its popularity and lack of security. I don't attack it, I just compare it to Linux. That it turns out very badly is not my fault.
Put a link to that fantastic precedent you mention. I want to read something about the devastating effects of that terrible infection that spread affecting thousands of users (on Linux a few thousand is outrageous).
Courage and Windóusico too… 😀
ok Windóusico didn't know the exact definition of a virus and I don't have to know it either, but I'll be frank, I was referring in general to a software that causes harm.
Something very curious just happened to me, a process had the processor cores at 100%, the machine was hot, the solution was to uninstall the program and the totem player stopped working. that's serious.
without going too far, wikipedia.
"One of the vulnerabilities of GNU / Linux is that many users think that it is not vulnerable to viruses."
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware_en_Linux
If you mean in general, I recommend using the term "malware". In any case, do not trust Wikipedia too much since any troll can modify it, the same a resentful winder put that.
@opensanctux, there is no invulnerable system. GNU / Linux is developed by human beings who make mistakes and make mistakes. Someone with bad intentions can take advantage of a security bug to do harm. But I can assure you that the scope of his attack would be very limited.
If you install the applications that are in the official repositories of your distribution, the possibility of suffering an attack on your PC is negligible. If you are a brainiac who accepts executables from a stranger, there is a small chance of being affected by some malware.
@opensanctux, you shouldn't quote Wikipedia so much. I might think that you take everything that comes there seriously. It has well-written articles but there are also many falsehoods and errors.
I'm not sure why they identify Badbunny as a virus when it is a worm (according to Wikipedia itself). Then they mention Bliss but put in parentheses that "needs administrator privileges." If it is not self-executing, it is not a virus. And on the rest I do not start looking because they will be other gaffes. If you want to prove something, look for a story from a reliable source or a serious article with data that can be verified.
wikipedia does not work? Then I'll look for it in Encarta, do you think?
It is a matter of contrasting several sources, which among them Wikipedia can be included, without going any further, I did it in an article
precisely for that reason it has a section of references, the same wikipedia has 11 references and 3 external links and says at the beginning of the article "The existence of any threat is not known"
I've seen the references and most are unreliable. But it is normal, there is little quality information on the subject.
What should reassure any new Linux user: Most of the viruses described for Linux are almost never found in the wild. When discovered, they disappear in a matter of days, leaving no trace of their existence (or damage).
That is precisely the point, it works for you ... but you are subjective
I did not say that it is an «insufferable shit» I like fedora, I already said it and I like blender, also krita and others ... but it takes a long time to reach a professional level, maybe for firefox, chat and play in the forums and blogs if it works 😉
by the way you reflect something inescapable in the linux movement in general ... the lack of SELF-CRITICISM, which is the best of all.
If the gimp programmers instead of presenting a 2.8 (mediocre) as the eighth wonder, they dedicate themselves to exploring its faults and shortcomings, I assure you that something else would be gimp, but that's the way it is, fanism, talibanism, lack of understanding and above all the acceptance of external criticism has them marginalized to a small group of strangers or in the best case a poor windows pa ... give thanks to blender and the like who are standing up for all linux distributions.
Now, I leave it to you as an analysis, because I already have to go to work ... if a user like me, who is just entering the linux world and meets such charismatic characters, bad spoken, fanatics, optuses and out of focus ... you do you think i would really be interested in continuing with linux?
I'm an uncle ...
This is a great truth, but it is unique and exclusive to one distro, Ubuntu.
No longer a Windows for the poor, but a Mac for the poor, who in the absence of a Mac, Ubuntu is installed to look cool
It's like everything, there is always a bastard, but there are bastards in Windows, Mac and Linux (especially Ubuntu)
You will find people who will help you and others who will despise you.
If you want to get into the world of Linux, don't let those bastards turn you off, if you want to give a shit about the type of users you're going to find.
Courage excuse the mistake, the avatar confused me.
and you are right, there are poorly born and I am not one of the people who change their mind because someone says so, but to be honest that a manager of a blog talks to you that way leaves a lot to think about.
I will continue with Linux, now if I would like to see in the great Linux community a sense of healthy and respectable criticism.
If the developers of Gimp (less than 10) who, by the way, develop it for free ... yes, they could work on the shortcomings, but then this Single Window modality that so many users have requested, would not be ready for this version, nor for the next one.
It's simple, you don't like Gimp and consider it mediocre? Well, no problem, pay the thousands of dollars that the Adobe suite costs and voila, everyone is so happy (especially Adobe) 😉
ok ok ... first of all, a law of life
if you're going to do something .. do it right!
The logic of developing (broadly speaking) a product is this.
IDEA (gimp)> DEVELOPMENT (programming)> CONSUMPTION (users)
where the last establishes the guidelines for the first and the first guides the second in order to obtain the third.
You can make any excuse, that if it is a programmer and a half, who work for free, x, the truth is that gimp does not meet expectations and the end user (who is not stupid) notices, that's why gimp is not used in environments professionals.
now, i don't like gimp, i have photoshop, illustrator and after license, and i haven't given gimp a dollar, but that doesn't mean that i can't reflect my decision, why? simply because it is a product that they offer to everyone.
Agree with you, but ... so Photoshop was born like that with all those options and things it offers?
No my friend, PS was growing over time, the same thing that has happened and I hope it will continue to happen with Gimp.
Why is Gimp still behind in many ways today compared to PS? ... simple, because of the amount of manpower that one has in difference with the other, and it is not a complaint, since one pays its developers while the other cannot afford it.
If I were a millionaire, believe me I would sponsor many projects, paying their developers full time, but… unfortunately, I am not 😀
Of course not, you have the right to leave your opinion 😉… you just have to keep in mind to be objective.
Greetings.
Personally, these types of issues make me laugh, because the one who rants against an SO is never lacking, apparently these issues make their shares fall in value in the stock market.
That you leave Linux, it is your decision, that does not affect my taste for this or that system.
That courage suddenly "fell in love" with ubuntu, perfect.
We lack a lot of maturity to read the opinions of others without feeling attacked, if not, I do not understand why so much discussion.
Personally, I am not against paying for licenses, if the programs you pay for feed you, go ahead, if it's a hobby, go ahead too.
I have original licenses, I am not sorry for having paid.
Those of us who know at least a little about the world of free software, we know that the vast majority of developers do not receive an income for what they do, not all, and many work in their free time, well, for me that is worthy of respect.
Instead of criticizing, I am giving myself the task of learning to contribute.
I make an invitation not to feed the trolls and ignorant (without acrimony, except the / the officials of this blog 😛).
Greetings.
"We lack a lot of maturity to read the opinions of others without feeling attacked, if not, I do not understand why so much discussion"
exact! there must be tolerance and respect!
"Instead of criticizing, I am giving myself the task of learning to contribute."
Same…
I don't use ubuntu anymore since it broke 3 3 mp4 memories. specifically version 9.04 ... I liked it until version 10.04, 12.04 is sooo slow with unity. Should it get better and better .. or not?
you should see if your hardware is compatible with the new versions
So that curious girls like her leave linux look at my initiative:
https://getsatisfaction.com/adobe/topics/create_a_team_of_volunteer_programmers_to_port_free_adobe_suite_to_linux
Hello! everyone. Interesting article by Tina. In my personal case, at the moment I am using Ubuntu 12, because on the machine I use, it is more important to be aware of my work than to bother to fight against Windows viruses.
It seems sensible to me, although yes, I criticize, and well raised, against the idea of tolerance in relation to operating systems, and the disagreement that each one gives: There is no perfect OS. (There is no case, but you have to learn how to use them if you take the adventure of installing one, and want to discover something new in how to use the information on your computer, which is the most valuable thing, right?)
After all, each one uses the operating system based on the arguments that, in the experience of use, allows him to use the computer to do everyday tasks.
No operating system is utopia, to paraphrase Tomas Moro's book, Windows is a commercial system, and linux is a kernel used in the creation of Linux distributions, with free and non-free components: I have used opensuse, fedora, mandriva, trisquel , and ubuntu, and in practice, you cannot have a system 100% in reality completely free without being free of problems, such as graphics, drivers, nouveau for example, or finding that the flash videos do not work. I recognize that the current system, in my work as a teacher, solves in my case, the problems of Windows, (virus) but here is a very relative issue: the support of the manufacturers for each operating system.
I have read the philosophy of free software and it is ethically possible. but each person has the right to choose the OS they want for their computer. Entering a war on Windows, Ubuntu and Mac Os does not seem like a sensible solution to me, because even though I have not used Windows xp / 7 for a long time, and its software model is the same since Windows 95, only that it evolved technologically up to Windows 8, because whoever uses the computer sees that it suits them.
The idea that the system learns to use you instead of each other fits perfectly with Windows, because that is their software model. But in life you have to learn everything, don't you think? I respect your decision, and with respect to Microsoft's So it is used by 95% of the machines on the planet, and it is convenient for manufacturers, because it generates a profit margin, and that allows them to pay for their investment.
Another thing, Stallman's argument is also remarkable, having a programming degree at MIT, exposes reasons that proprietary software prevents you from sharing, and it is true, and I have observed how most people do not even read the contract of license. why? simply because, they may not agree and it is respectable, they are interested in the practicality of the operating system. What do you think?
I am using Ubuntu because I get tired of the problems that Windows has given me so far, and Windows 8 does not convince me, because each version is less compatible with the user than the previous one, the system is very rigid in customizations, for at least not to the extent that linux-based distros allow.
Although I respect the opinions of those who have written here, it seems to me that there should be tolerance, everyone has the right to assume the decisions they make, in this and in any aspect of life.
For me she has personality problems lol, because her title is that she leaves ubuntu, and at the bottom it says that she is going to test version 12.04 .. also .. if she uses her device only to watch videos, movies and listen to music - what It is the safest thing - because obviously it is a waste that he has linux and that he messes with the console ... by the way the guy who says that since he was 4 years old he handles the computer perfectly hehehej
How funny! If you use the computer to do just that, it is just the tip of an iceberg. Linux has a lot more possibilities than a canned system like Windows. A curious thing is that before Windows existed in the 1980s, if you wanted to use a computer you had to know how to program, and that was not for everyone. (Basic, Cobol) If they complain about the console, I imagine the rest. It is not that difficult, it requires patience and a desire to learn.
I forgot: Nowadays you have the possibility to choose, Linux, Windows, mac, and that was not possible until a few years ago, and all systems require taking charge of the choice to use them, their pros and cons, that They have, and the ideal thing, I think, is to find a way not only to use the computer to watch videos, the internet, but also to make life easier for us. The generations to come will have the possibility of using technologies that were unthinkable until a few years ago, the question is to use them wisely. At the end of the day it is a machine, and without the proper program, it would only serve to be a lot of purposeless circuits. Cheers!
Always the same and always the same.
What if windows is easier than if everything is better etc, etc.
I do not pretend to praise Linux but, have you stopped to think the first time you got your hands on a Windows PC?
My personal experience was that I did not even know what the buttons on the windows were for, and from scratch I had to learn to manage the system and consequently the programs that were available for it.
Well this is three quarters of the same.
It is a different system and you have to learn to use it to be able to tell if it is better or worse.
How difficult is it to open a terminal and type sudo apt-get install?
Or even easier, Open the software center and type in the search engine what you want and then click the install button.
Can it be easier?
Thanks to Linux now I know 100 times more than before in this field, and I am not one of those who likes to get everything done, I like to do it myself and in my own way.
I just needed that in my own machine I had to have restrictions, if I want to move this here or this there, it moves, period.
This will always continue like this, simply because of that, there are people who do not want complications and do not care how this fact and what is inside if it gives a good result and if you do not have to warm your head, then better than better.
It is human nature, what cannot be controlled is destroyed.
Greetings.
Excuse me mate, but uncle BillGates had good worldwide financing for his product which totally eclipsed Uncle Linus, you can also see how financing can lead to a person to president, the product does not matter, if you have enough capital for people just see your product, you will sell it xD
Try Zorin 5.2. It is not the latest version, but it is the best I have tried, with gnome 2.3, compiz pre installed and activated, light and very fast, fully configurable to personal taste, I do not plan to change to any other distro, because none of it equals and less exceeds.
"It is based on Ubuntu which is the most popular Linux operating system in the world."
It is Ubuntu with a WinXP skin.
To install Windows is to carry a Golf with a 4L engine, to install Linux is to mount a Mercedes engine in a Land Rover body, I have been using Linux distros for a short time but quickly someone who understands a little of the subject realizes hahahahahaha. IGNORANCE is happiness, it's a shame that people don't realize it but anyway ... hehehe Greetings
It is logical that when opinions are sought, they are sought with people who know in order to solve the computer problem since we are talking about operating programs that is the factor to search for everything within all the files and other things but in the case of gabriela It seems to me that she puts windows very high and it is not like that because with that operating system as it has so many tools and so many aeros and a lot of mushrooms they have not looked for power and apart from that the wifi that interrupts it bye
Hello no, I understand this girl, lady, whatever she says that she pirates software left and right, the net penalty of having if Microsoft charges a high price is because they want to hack it is to steal, friend, I'm totally blind, I have a disease In my heart I fight day to day against Eya and I use Linux it has worked for me at all times if I break my head it is to have a better computer knowledge
Whoops!
Linux works for you at all times ... except for writing on this blog. If you were consistent you would have left your answer using Linux, not Windows. Remember that the word Preach is not a noun, it is a verb.
It is good to acquire more knowledge about computers, but it would not hurt to try to improve yourself in writing and spelling ... unless, of course, the total blindness that you say you suffer prevents you from doing so.
hehe for sure it was because of the ease of use that windows has, but come on .. at this point any of the most popular distributions and not only ubuntu knows how to use a 10-year-old child ... I've already tried all of them .. Well, windows will lift all the configuration at once, you should always go looking for patches, antivirus and service packs and those things that only fill the hard disk with space .. are irrelevant for one that is in linux. He liked his windows better because he just likes the convenience and is not motivated by computer and systems learning.
My eggs that a child uses ubuntu, I can not put flash in xubuntu to an old pc, and see that in windows xp I uninstall flash and reinstall a previous version and the videos are already fluid in less than half an hour, in Ubuntu you have to go around looking for how to install the aforementioned tar.gz, if I don't have internet under the program in an internet cafe and that's it, but with ubuntu, you have to download alien and who knows what else, and the ubuntu updates xubuntu and others also occupy hard disk space, why would a mechanic want to learn computer science? If you have a car, should you learn mechanics? Even tuning and electricity of the car at once, do you live in a house then are you an expert bricklayer, plumber, electrician? Do you have wooden doors? So you must know about carpentry?
Hello! Tina, your article has been very interesting to me.
In my case, I have stayed with Ubuntu until version 13, and the machine works wonders for me. It seems to me that no system is completely invulnerable. The machine is a work tool, and whoever wants to can install the system they want. I used Windows until version 7 but I left it due to the problems that the viruses brought me, and the characteristic instabilities of my computer.
All systems require learning effort, both Windows and Linux in any of their distributions, and the choice that each one makes defines what can be done with the machine, because without the right program, the simplest task becomes an odyssey.
I was the last windows that I used, on my computers on a daily basis it was the xp, I tested the view a crap, the win 7 a crap more full of graphics that consume your ram, and the win 8 a crazy interface called metro, I decided to change to ubuntu because the successors of xp are shit, ubuntu and derivatives, as well as linux mint and linux mint should the geniuses creators of the breeding of viruses and malwares called windows, have products with that quality and performance, this girl is stupid
There's no arguing for me: Windows is a gooey, colorful ice cream from McDonals. Ubuntu are freshly picked fruits of the forest. Let each one choose their diet.
Each one to use what they want and that's it. Certain things are good Windows, others some Linux kernel os, and other times Mac OS.
Well, if I continue with ubuntu I use windows choto and it is jna reverend shit
oh no, Windows 8.1 the best out there right now. Linux is far, far behind, it has no comparison.
This person is only changing because of a lack of intelligence, a lack of dedication and the lack of that thing in our head that says "I'll do this better." I can't believe there are people like her, but if she's stupid enough to push herself a bit, let her continue with the pratería, with the "easy" and "asshhh because I have to learn."
Poop? Is that why it is the most used and the most friendly for ordinary people?
You follow the same stupid reasoning as those who run off to use Windows.
Well, don't use it.
I'm a linuxero to the core and I have to say that Ubuntu is CACA.
Nothing like creating a flame war to create positioning for a blog.
The one who writes is not without reason, but they are circumstantial reasons, very personal.
Valid? for her yes, but very subjective suspiciously "subjective."
Holy wars of SO, nothing better to win a troubled river, such a destructive attitude ...
Friend Gabriela, reading you has been like reliving my experience. I am neither an engineer nor a computer scientist, I have learned like you everything I know based on taking hours from sleep, studies and friends. I have enjoyed doing it and it has given me many satisfactions and perhaps the biggest headaches. And after this time that I do not consider lost, I come to the same conclusion as you. I also go to the other side of the scale, to the side where I want to be calm, that things work when I need them. I will never deny Linux. Not from the people who have helped me even if I don't share their views. Like you, I think I'm getting older and let's say that since I've gone over to the dark side of the force, Windows pampers me more and gives me more affection, and at this point, it's what we're wanting. A big hug.
Reading the comments, most say goodbye to linux in the same way
that they would say goodbye to a boyfriend ... it seems that people project
your personal and professional frustrations on poor linux.
The most pathetic thing is that surely 99% who comment have a
Pirate Windows.
Absurd, mediocre and ridiculous people.
The arguments presented by the author are already out of date, debian 7 is an experience to install and use. there is no problem with codec, wifi, or many other things
It is a bomb-proof stone and easier to use than Ubuntu itself.
Gabriela, if every time your computer doesn't work you kick it, with Windows 8 it will look like a soccer ball.
The problem of plugging in and that it does not work for you (whatever it is) is one of the manufacturers that does not come out of the cushion. make linux drivers, although lately it seems that the picture is changing. Anyway, there are always solutions. In windows you will also have problems, if you do not want to waste time looking for a solution that will fit you, switch to Mac?
I have been using Ubuntu 3 years ago and it seems great for an end user although I am currently also testing Linux Mint and Huayra Linux.
To express my kind of comment to what he says, I quote some phrases that I really like.
- The mind is like a parachute if it is not opened it is useless. Albert Einstein
- In times of change those who are open to learning will take ownership of the future while those who think they know everything will be well equipped for a world that no longer exists. Eric Hoffer.
- True ignorance is not the absence of knowledge, but the fact of refusing to acquire it Karl Popper
- The illiterate of the XNUMXst century will not be those who cannot read and write, but rather those who cannot learn, unlearn and relearn. Alvin toffler
On the other hand, hacking is a crime.
regards
Waw
Very good opinion of this girl, in fact she is very right in many things, but nevertheless that is life without the freedom that knowledge gives you, it is not that she is an expert in Operating Systems, the truth is not ... But I am very sure of something, I prefer to strive for something and learn while being free than to give up my freedom and become one more mass consumer of the lot, I like to make a difference and I hope I never get tired of it; although to a certain extent we will always be consumers and there are fragments of my life circulating on the net, I prefer to save what remains of my dignity rather than hand it over to windows by clicking I ACCEPT THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT. I respect everyone's opinion, this is mine.
I have a computer with Ubuntu but reading this I am considering removing it ... let's see what I do
In my opinion, things should not be done like that gabriela that the only thing that gives the impression is of being a windows official doing bad propaganda to linux. In fact, it is a comment from a person who is not at all interested in seeing how Linux evolves. Today one installs Linux and any asshole takes the shot very quickly, obviously there are distros friendlier to the new user than others, there if it is a matter of information and choosing well. Now, in the network there is already a lot of information to be able to catch the shot, it is a matter of wanting. Rather that he respects us, like so "you should learn to use me"? plop,
Sometimes people are uncomfortable with mental gymnastics ... hahahaha ... it's easier to get everything ready, click and that's it ... get everything from others without contributing anything, I was always a Windows user, I got patches and never paid for one ... But in addition to just playing on it, if I navigated viruses, malware and everything that surrounds that OS, due to a lot of security that they offered you at the time it shitted the PC, I used linux 6 months ago, I learn a lot from the errors and I love it because I can LEARN ON A DAILY WAY, I am not a person who has been working for a long time but it does not hurt to think from time to time ... to the friend who thinks about the distro just one detail ... remember that those of us who use Linux do it to support and collaborate with free software ... we don't have the millions or the power of bill ... so you can't compare ... but remember that David beat Goliath ... and linux is a growing David. Well, keep using your win8 ... win10 or whatever is sold in the market, I will continue learning to use linux since I waste less time reading how to do something than to spend an antivirus 10 hours on the pc ... and I forgot ... I DON'T HAVE BLUE SCREENS ... no loss of information ... they are fine.
My God, I have read each and every one of the comments (some more slowly than others), because I found it interesting. I have read many times discussions between what operating system to use, what flavor to choose ... well, but never one that long.
And to top it all, I see, Gabriela later wrote a similar post where she left Windows 8 to go back to Ubuntu, specifically to version 13.04….
I have also had my comings and goings on this operating system.
Having Windows XP, I went to Ubuntu 8.04, but since it didn't work very well for me and I didn't know much, I used Mandriva 2008 which existed at that time, and it was going well for me, and it was going well there. Then I went through several more Ubuntus, Mandriva again, Kubuntu, Xubuntus, Fedora attempts, Debian 5 attempts, Linux Mint, Lubuntu, I spent a lot of time with Ubuntu 12.04, and in between sometimes I returned to Windows 7 for a while.
Windows 8 I do not know and I do not want to know much, really. Since my pc only has 2Gb of RAM, I don't have many aspirations either, but now, since I've been using OpenSuse 13.1 for a few months, the truth is that I'm doing quite well, everything is very fluid, and everything is very stable. Some time I have a little toast left in the machine, but very rarely. Instead Windows 7 I was getting slower and slower…. I was already getting desperate, and with OpenSuse the truth is that no. Therefore, here I stay.
What if it tired me, and the truth tires me, is to be all day watching that everything works well for me, and that it does not fail every two by three. Or to spend all day changing the appearance or things from here to there. Much less than being every 6 months changing the version of the distribution with a clean installation, or spending all day changing the distribution (unless everything goes fatal, and only if I have the / home in another partition apart, because otherwise you spend your days making backups).
For me, it is true that I like more to use Linux, and more things can be done. But there are applications that are better in other operating systems where there is more investment. And the issue of hardware, is a point against because manufacturers still do not pay them to invest in making drivers for Linux, and the entire hardware does not end up working well at all.
Gimp is not comparable to Photoshop, really, and I don't think Krita either, although I've seen it less. There are also no decent video editors, because KDEnLive also leaves a lot to be desired, even so, let's say that I use Linux every day, because I feel comfortable, and I am defending myself. But why do I defend myself more or less? Because I'm used to looking for technical solutions by googling and searching from there to there. Maybe it's because I work in this world and with computing and programming in tow, which is why I have the habit of trying things and learning with the trial and error system, and if one thing doesn't work, look for another.
But I know that normal users are not like that nor do they have to be, although it bothers me personally when people ask me such easy things, you see that if I had bothered a little searching, I would have found a solution in a very easy.
I mean, it bothers me a lot that they don't want to waste time, and prefer that I lose it. It is like when you are waiting for a traffic jam on the road that you do not have to wait because you have taken the wrong way.
Anyway; It is done. I just wanted to leave my point of view (I have many, but it is impossible to summarize them all). Since it took me a long time to read all the 276 comments, I wanted to leave mine, and in the end I got involved.
As a postadata, in addition to opensource we all have to be more OpenMind (and I include myself), and understand a little that we are not all the same, nor do we use the same thing, nor do we like the same thing, nor are we interested in the same thing, nor do we have to learn the same. Those people who are not interested in this in the least, in other things they will surely give us a thousand and one turns.
To be honest, (and I quit), I use Linux, because I don't like using Windows. The main reasons are: viruses, that programs are better installed and uninstalled in linux, and you don't have to go around with CDs or hacking, or serials, or things like that. That linux is neater. Which is more serious, and you can do more things than in Windows. I like that there is a root on the machine. And in Windows I don't even feel comfortable surfing the internet quietly.
But if I'm really sure, if I had a more comfortable economy, I would use Mac, because it goes wonderfully everything (I admit). But if I'm even more honest, even if I had for example an iMac on this table right now, surely I would have at least one other Linux computer, because if I didn't I would miss it ... and I like to keep learning and customizing, and I do like to lose time learning these things (but because it interests me).
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They are all right, and reasons. But being free is priceless, and the most free that can be used is not mac and not windows, so linux is the best option. Of course it lacks a way, there will be more free but more limited as a freebsd. On my own, I repeat everyone is right, now how I explain how to use a machine with windows to a totally neophyte user and how to use a machine with linux ... simple linux is easy and orderly, without rolls, with all its software in a repository and the system is fully updated. In windows updates are individual, mess with viruses, temporary, malware cleaning, and impossible to explain how and why things happen ... In short. As I am bago I use linux, windows is for those who want to complicate life.
I am a developer of vb.net that is in some way 100% use of windows, however I have my respect for the linux community for a great reason and it is because thanks to this community large non-proprietary projects are possible so that now I'm looking for something in linux that is very important…. It will warm my head but I know that it is convenient, very convenient… ..
I don't know much but I have tried almost all operating systems and I stick with guadalinex so far. It has not failed me. I recommend it.
I am not going into fanaticism of using one system or another, whether paid or free, free or closed ... But at the user level I understand you and you are absolutely right, Linux / Unix systems are not made for end users (when I talk about end users I mean people outside the technology area). I give you an example. virtualize with vmware or xen, both are good, they have their pros and cons, their benefits and their limitations. But where is the difference? That whoever works with xen will learn more about the concept in detail of everything that virtualization encompasses. In short, it is actually knowing how things work beyond a next ... next ... next. It's a matter of knowledge, a Linuxero who sells Windows and proprietary systems tells you, in the end if the client wants to pay, that's what I care about, but my servers do go with Linux.
What a pathetic person who could not adapt to unity? What's up? Never used OSX?
Unity could be declared as the free OSX, the interface is very similar, I am very comfortable with it, I would never get SHIT 8 or 9 or 10 it does not have the menus above as in OSX it is very convenient for all applications to share the menu above, it is also closed expensive and with virus, she will see
Do not worry about this person this person after a while made a new post titled:
"WHY I STOP USING WINDOWS 8 AND GO BACK TO LINUX"
http://artescritorio.com/porque-deje-de-usar-windows-8-y-volvi-a-linux-26567/
Well, in a few months it will say "Why did I quit Linux again and will definitely use Windows 10" ...
Perhaps many of you see it normal that in the middle of 2015 Linux is still an extremely unstable platform, that you have to use a terminal constantly and that you do not find many specific software to be able to work freely with it ...
Linux promises, but those who develop in Linux do not know what the user wants, make everything simpler, minimize the use of terminal, change the interface to be more innovative and not try to imitate OSX ...
Google came very close to this reality with Android but with Chrome OS they have screwed up, hopefully someone decides to take the step and make an OS that can really compete against Windows or MAC.
It doesn't matter, use whatever OS you want. I use Windows 7 but I emulate Linux and I have a lot of fun, of course, when I'm not at work ^^
It's been a long time since this post, almost 3 years, I've been using Ubuntu for about a year because of a horrible problem in windows and now I don't see any reason to go back to windows. It is very true that Ubuntu is not for just any user but it is also true that the effort made in that distro to bring it closer to the common non-technical user has been very valuable, especially in recent years where the new versions are increasingly stable and compatible With almost any possible hardware, let alone 10 or 15 years ago where the world of unix was perceived only for scientific or engineering environments, the progress of Ubuntu is a monumental step, it is not that it should not improve but its friendliness has improved 1000% compared to old unix systems and that must be recognized, even its focus is still for technical users who are looking for something more than just a computer to surf the internet but with a few more years of development we will see an ubuntu or another linux distribution at the same level of ease of use of an android, mac or windows with a great advantage over them for technical people beyond the fact of being free (which is already something wonderful) and is the power possibility of having a universe of free software for huge development, that is not very common in other systems, in addition, the power of the linux kernel leaves the performance of other operating systems on the ground, do not forget that many of the servers to which that enter through the internet so they do not realize they are linux and the main reason is that, robustness and much higher performance (a windows server versus a unix or linux have no way to compete), there is also the portability approach that canonical is handling in ubuntu creating a system that is compatible with hardware beyond just PCs or servers, the software can be installed on cell phones and now on intel pendrives that operate as PCs connected to televisions, that is a very step forward to what we have today.
Well, I have been using Ubuntu since 2006; the same computer, no errors or viruses, but it is true that those long nights with friends are over with installing and reinstalling windows, antivirus, those sweet talks on the phone to try again and again to make the aforementioned work, infin, the fight for the pc, it is so boring to have a computer that always works, that never breaks down, that you put a printer on it and it prints directly without drivers and without restarting ..... so lacking in emotion, i so cruel the reality of being alone with no excuse to invite the friend on duty to reinstall windows that I do not recommend Ubuntu either.
I find Windows 8 very appropriate for a 94% wife. Try again with Linux when you stop being a wife or mother at the maximum 20%.
This week reinstall ubuntu 14.04. I am happy for almost two years I took it off because I did not want to heat my head, I just want to be a user of xls files and little else. With windows "it didn't warm my head" or yes. The computer was very slow (I imagine because of the amount of virus it must have) Internet was an odyssey. Watching a movie with the family was painful since we had to load it before and it still looked stumbling. With this I draw the conclusion is that with any operating system you have to warm your head. So why not do it with a very very good one?
Even if I don't convince you, I'll be happy to see you back. 😀
What can I tell you about your comments, do you think that an ordinary user like me wants to spend it looking for tutorial after tutorial, to make his hardware work correctly? It is easier to use installers visually than to execute commands in the msdos style, we are already in an advanced era, that of the commands will be fine for programmers, geek, etc., but for an average user (most of them), it is not necessary so much annoyance.
I have tried Linux, my WiFi performs terrible, and after trying to search for solutions on the internet I have been left with the square eye that such a command, and such a repository, bah, that gives a serious scare, so I returned to Windows, my graphics card is much more fluid, we are going to those who want to deceive with so much geek fanaticism that instead of offering us ordinary users, an operating system to waste time configuring one thing or another in the most complicated way possible, using a box text with special commands to memorize.
Stop being fanatic and accept that Linux is disgusting in terms of usability for an ordinary user, and which should be targeted instead of a few wise men who boast of being anti windows, with poor quality free software, I prefer to pay For something well done than to be suffering trying to find something decently useful like Photoshop, I have tried Gimp and it is stupid that it takes time to load as if a new operating system were loading, with so many files that it loads that I don't even know what it is for. There is no Adobe suite, Corel Draw among other software that free alternatives are totally basic.
Until when linux is not going to advance well? Many years have passed and I only see aesthetic adornments and no useful software, it continues with the same hardware problems, terrible wifi, slowed graphics.
Some say that it runs better than Windows, lighter etc, but on my computers I have noticed that it is worse, and sometimes with black screens and the LEDs flashing that only remains to restart, so far it does not have a decent clipboard to copy (or drag) from one application to another. Some programs with a different type of window from the other, with ugly buttons and in other applications with ornate buttons, totally inconsistent.
The mouse disappears, and every moment it launches an error window that then says that it will report but finally when clicking on send report it mentions that this software is not part of that service, it makes me waste my time with unnecessary clicks for a report that does not even they will take into account.
In short, the fanaticism with so much dedication that you commentators defend this incomplete desktop system, will not make a normal user use it, and less if they despise us as I read in some comments, the truth would even discourage anyone with such comments.
PS: In your comments you can see the intolerance towards other things such as musical tastes, and other things that differentiate us as human beings, and impersonating or being an intellectual is not justification to expel your prejudices by evaluating people with disparaging tones, it is unfortunate read such comments, but well that is everywhere, from those who propose freedom in one aspect of life (in this case free software) but hypocritically do not support that other people practice the freedom of musical tastes, books, software is their choice despite exposing your privacy, bah, what irony!