I-Systemd vs. ubuhlakani (intukuthelo evulekile evela kumsebenzisi we-Debian)

Umbhalo olandelayo ukuhumusha kwamahhala komyalezo obizwe umsebenzisi UChristopher Barry washiya phakathi I-LKML.ORG (okugciniwe kohlu lwamakheli lwe-Linux okungekho emthethweni), okunesihloko esithi «Incwadi evulekile eya emhlabeni we-Linux« (okuhlanganisiwe kanye nezixhumanisi ezingeziwe yizinto ezingezwe ubisi lwami olubi):

Kuyini ukuhlakanipha? Angiqondile into eyimpimpi, kepha iyini incazelo yokuhlakanipha kwabantu? Lokhu kuhle kakhulu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence#Definitions

Kubantu abaningi, abadali nabacabangi abanamandla amakhulu namuhla abasebenza ngokuzungeza umbono we "One Linux" bafanelana nencazelo yabantu abahlakaniphile - okungenani ngobuchwepheshe.

Futhi imilayezo yakhe iyakholisa impela:

  • Yenza lula ukuthuthukiswa kwama-multi-distro.
  • Vumela izikhathi zebhuthi ezisheshayo.
  • Vumela ukwakhiwa efunwa kakhulu nokususelwa kumcimbi, okufana nezinhlelo zokusebenza "zesimanje".
  • Letha ukuhleleka nokulawula kumasystems abenamathuluzi amaningi ahlukahlukene njengoba kukhona ama-distros.

Yonke imigomo ebonakala ihloniphekile. Konke ngokusobala kususelwe esifisweni esijulile sokufaka isandla nokwenza izinto zibe ngcono.

Akukho muntu ongathi laba bantu abahlakaniphile bacabangisise ngalezi zinkinga, futhi babeke umzamo omkhulu kakhulu ekuxazululeni lezi zinkinga. Ngeshwa, isixazululo abeza naso, njengoba kungenzeka ubusuvele wasiqagela, yi- "systemd".

Yize kungeyona into entsha, umthelela wayo omubi ekugcineni ungifinyelele futhi kufanele ngikuveze obala.

Manje yini i-systemd? Hlanganyela noNkulunkulu wakho omusha. Mhlawumbe ubulokhu uthandaza e-altare [uma-isebenza-ungayithinti] yobulula, kepha inkolo yakho iyaqedwa. Lokho kungenzeka ukuthi sekuvele kwenzeka ngaphandle kokuthi wena uqaphele ngesikhathi sokuvuselelwa komshini wakho we-Linux. i-systemd yi-meta-god eyazi konke, elawula konke, yokubona konke neyengamele konke. UnguMaster Master of Processes omusha ofisa ukulawula konke angakwenza - futhi usevele wenza okwanele. Yilokho okungenzeka ukuthi i-init ibukeka ngathi ngabe bekuyi-transformer kuma-steroids. Ingabeiphupho njalo] iyinkimbinkimbi, inezici eziningi, i-opaque, futhi inamandla amakhulu.

Ngezwa nge-systemd eminyakeni embalwa eyedlule lapho upstart nabanye abanye esikhundleni ukwenza ukuthi angikhumbuli bekuvela endaweni yesehlakalo. Futhi noma ngabe ibukeka ithakazelisa kancane, bengingahambisani nokuyisebenzisa, noma enye yazo ngaleyo nhloso. i-init yangisebenzela kahle. i-init ibilula futhi inamandla. Ngenkathi ukumiswa kwakunokwehluka okuqondile kwe-distro ngayinye, kwakuvame ukuthi lokhu kwehluka okwenza umuntu akhethe ukusebenzisa leyo distro kwasekuqaleni, futhi anamathele kuleyo distro [(futhi hhayi izinto ezifana nokuthi yiziphi izilaleli okwakuhloswe ngazo njenganamuhla)]. Amathuluzi empeleni babenjalo i-distro. Futhi-ke ngivele ngenza i- ukudehlisa kuJessie, futhi i-voila, I-PID 1 ivele yahlelwa ngohlelo. Hamba shit.

Ezweni le- "One Linux", yini okufanele ibe yi-distros? Akusasebenzi. Akusekho okusebenzayo. Amagobolondo ama-Archaic ayekade eziqhayisa ngawo [futhi ngokuvamile kuyingozi] ukuzimela. Ngokuyinhloko manje sekuyilogo nephephadonga elizenzakalelayo. Ngoba, ake sibhekane nakho, kunesidingo sokuthi kube khona "Oqhudelana Naye" Wesimanje Ohlukile kwisizinda seWindows / Mac sekhompyutha yomuntu siqu. Ingaphambili elihlangene lokulwa nemibuso enobudlova kaRedmond noCupertino yilokho okudingekayo. Umehluko ohlukahlukene odale "ukunambitheka" okwehlukile kweLinux kwakudingeka ukuthi kugxilwe futhi kufakwe ekuhambisaneni ukuze kuqhutshekwe kahle ngempi. Um, iyiphi impi?

Kimi, iLinux isivele iyinqobile leyompi emuva ngo-1994 lapho ngiqala ukuyisebenzisa. Lokhu ikwenze ngaphandle kokudubula isibhamu noma ukuzama ukufana nezinye izinhlelo zokusebenza. Uyinqobile [igcina njalo i-1% yemakethe] ukunganikeli ngesabelo semakethe. Wawunqoba ngokungafani ncamashi nabo. Uyinqobe ngokuba lula, kuqondakale, futhi kube okulungisekayo ukuze kufane ncamashi YO wayefuna. Ithole ngokuba iqoqo lezinto ezilula, ezi-modular ezinganamathelaniswa ndawonye ngentando ukwenza umsebenzi wangempela. Uyinqobe ngokunamathela kwifilosofi ebhekwe ngokujulile yokugcina umsebenzisi esihlalweni somshayeli, futhi ekhululekile ukusebenzisa noma yini ayifunayo, ngaphandle kwezendlalelo nezinhlaka zohlaka ezigoqa izintambo zazo ngaphakathi kwazo zonke lezo zinto okungafanele bazithinte. Uyinqobe ngaphandle kwazo zonke lezo "ShitKits" ezahlukahlukene eziqale ukubonakala ngaphakathi kwenhliziyo yesistimu yami yokusebenza. Uyinqobile ngaphandle kokuba yinkimbinkimbi kakhulu futhi engaqondakali. Lolo hlobo lwe-opacity luyinhliziyo yeWindows ne-Mac, futhi yilokho kanye engikuzondayo ngabo, futhi yingakho ngakhetha ukusebenzisa iLinux endaweni yokuqala. i-systemd iyagona konke engikuthandayo ngeWindows ne-Mac, futhi ukukwenza egameni "lesimanjemanje" kanye "nokwenza lula" komsebenzi wonjiniyela.

Manje kungani abantu Uhlakaniphe kakhulu lokho thanda futhi usebenzise i-Linux ngabe bafuna ukudala noma hug idimoni elinje "Umphathi Wakho Konke"? Ngokusobala, kungenxa yezizathu abazishoyo, njengoba ngishilo ekuqaleni. Kepha ngokwengxenye ngicabanga ukuthi kungenxa yokushoda kwesipiliyoni. Angiqondile ukushoda kwamahora wokuhlela, kepha ukungabi nesikhathi emhlabeni. Ubuhlakani bodwa abuyithathi indawo yokuhlangenwe nakho kokuphila futhi, yebo, ngizokusho, noma kungenxa yokuhlakanipha. Ayikho ibhukwana lokuhlakanipha. Ukwenza okuhleliwe kusistimu kuma-distros akuyona isinyathelo esihlakaniphile kubo ngokuhamba kwesikhathi. Lokho empeleni kuzoletha ukubhujiswa kwabo ekugcineni.

Ngokwengxenye zingama-egos amakhulu kunempilo abantu ababandakanyekayo. Othile ufunde uthini uPoettering ngezinto? Hewu. Lo mfana ngokusobala uyaqiniseka ukuthi unazo zonke izimpendulo zawo wonke umuntu. Imibono yendabuko ngobulula nenkululeko inemibala, kepha ayinandawo yangempela ohlelweni lokusebenza "lwesimanje". Bheka, uhlakaniphe ukudlula wena, ngakho-ke yeqa bese uhamba eceleni. Uyazi ukuthi yini engcono kakhulu, futhi uyilawula. Uneminyaka emingaki lowo mfana noma kunjalo? Iminyaka eyi-12 noma okuthile? Kuyidick fucking (ngombono wami othobekile).

Bayingxenye yakhe izintshisekelo zebhizinisi ezingenamqondo. Bheka, singenza imali ngokuthengisa izinto kubasebenzisi beLinux uma kunendlela elula ne "dystro-agnostic" yokwenza. Fuck izinketho, bazokuthanda abakutholayo.

Ngokwengxenye kungaba ukuthi iyesabeka futhi imnyama ngokwemvelo. Iringi eyodwa ukubabusa bonke, ukufinyelela okuphephile kuyo kungakhanga kulabo abazimisele ngokuqwashisa ngokugcwele imininingwane. Ukuzethemba akuyona into ephezulu kakhulu ohlwini lwami lwezinto ezizovuma kulezi zinsuku.

Ngokwengxenye kuyinkolelo yokuthi uMphakathi weLinux kumele ulwe nobudlova beWindows ne-Mac - kube sengathi ukuba khona kweLinux kuncike ekunqotshweni kwezinye izindlela. Labo abacabanga lokho I-Linux kufanele ikhathalele ngama-idiots nama-HOYGAN kufanele babuyele kuma-Mac abo naku-Windows, futhi bayeke ukuzama "ukulungisa" i-Linux. Akuphukile, konakalisa!

Ngokwengxenye - futhi yilokhu engingakwazi ukukwamukela - ukunganakwa okusobala nokungahloniphi - kungaba ngenhloso noma cha - kumigomo ebaluleke kakhulu ye- * NIX. Kuwukwedelelwa okungazi lutho ngabo, nokunyathelwa kwamanani engiwubambe njenge [okudala,] iyiqiniso futhi ayinacala, futhi angingedwa lapha. i-systemd iphikisana ngqo nalokho okumelwe yi-NIX. Futhi angikhulumi ngokubambisana kwe-POSIX. Yifilosofi eyisiphukuphuku.

i-systemd iyi-coup. Kungumhlaseli ongenela umbuso owenzelwe ukubhubhisa iLinux njengoba siyazi, esinikezwe isixuku. simazi kangcono kunawe I-CamelCase. Futhi abaqondi nje ngokujula njengoba kufanele. i-systemd ayikhombisi lapho kufanele ihambe khona. Ayisekeli inkululeko. Akukhuthazi ukukhetha. Akukhombisi ukubonakala. Akukwamukeli ukulula. Thatha ukulawula futhi ukuphoqa ukuba unikezele kuye. Kwenza izinhlelo zokusebenza nezakhi ezinkulu zohlelo zincike kuyo, futhi azikwazi ukusebenza ngaphandle kwayo. Uthola isivinini ngokuheha isibaya sabathuthukisi abangenalwazi noma abavilaphayo noma abangenalwazi nje ngesithembiso sokwenza izimpilo zabo zibe lula. Ukuwela kule ndlela yokucabanga ukungazinaki ubungozi obukhulu obumele i-systemd.

I-Debian ibilokhu imile ngokumelene nalolu hlobo lwento esikhathini esedlule, futhi ibilokhu izuza inhlonipho enkulu nokuthembeka ngobuqotho bayo. Isinqumo sikaDebian lapha saphoqeleka. UDebian wenze iphutha elibi futhi eliyigwala [lapho uTagliamonte engazange achithe igoli likaGarbee], futhi badinga ukulungisa inkambo yabo ngokushesha. Ukufaka i-systemd bekungeyona into ehlakaniphile, futhi impela akuyona into ecatshangwe kahle [(futhi cha, angikholwanga nganoma yisiphi sezizathu zikaRuss Albery)]. I-Debian kufanele yenqabe i-systemd ne-ilk yayo, bese ibuyela kumanani aholele i-Linux kuleli phuzu emlandweni, kwaholela hhayi engxenyeni encane kaDebian. Kumele bahlukanise i-GNOME ngokuzwakalayo nangokusobala, noma ngabe kubukeka kubuhlungu futhi kucasula kanjani esikhathini esifushane, futhi bagxile kuzindinganiso ezibaluleke kakhulu zobulula nenkululeko. Indawo systemd ne-clique yakhe ezinqolobaneni non-mahhala lapho bekhona uma kungekho ukukhetha. Vumela umsebenzisi anqume ukuthi ngabe yilokho akufunayo yini. Ukukhanyiselwa kunjalo inketho enhle yedeskithophu ezenzakalelayo lokho akunayo imfucumfucu ye-GNOME efuthwe. Futhi kubaholi bakwaDebian - ngemuva kweminyaka engama-20 yokwethembeka kwami ​​nokushumayela ivangeli, ungiphoxile mina nawo wonke umuntu. Badinga ukuba namaqanda ama-fucking futhi benze okulungile lapha namanje.

Thumela labo somathuba esihogweni!

I-GNOME. Isisekelo seLinux. freedesktop.org, [I-Figueredo] nabanye. Zonke ziyizinto [umkhono wamasela kusukela ekuqaleni kuye ekugcineni] amaqembu ane-ajenda. Akubona labo abakholelwa enkululekweni. Bakholelwa ekulawuleni futhi ukuqinisa. Bakholelwa embonweni owodwa. Bangobani laba bantu? Bangobani laba babheki abazinikezele ngokwabo belangabi leLinux? (okuyinkomba ngamabomu nangaphansi kwe-malware) Athini ama-ajenda akho wangempela? Ngubani oxhasa ngezimali laba bantu? Kungani befuna ngolaka kangaka ukususa inhliziyo yeLinux kude nefilosofi yayo yangempela? Bayeke bahambe bazakhele owabo "umncintiswano" wabo ku-Windows naku-Mac. Uma bekwenzile lokho, bekungaba opaque efanayo, ukulandela ngomsebenzisi, ukubuyela emuva kwangaphandle okwenziwe yiWindows ne-Mac. Abangikhulumi futhi nawe akufanele ubavumele nje ukuthi bakukhulumele.

i-systemd iyiTrojan. i-systemd iyi-jellyfish. i-systemd yi-Substance D. systemd iyakhasa - hhayi ngoba amathuluzi ayo emunca, noma ngoba iyi-hairball enkulu enegazi - kepha ngoba ngokwakha inamandla amaningi agxilile. Sidinga ukumxosha sisonke ngoba uzobe ephethe iLinux, futhi ngokusandisa kanye nenkululeko yethu. uhlelo kuyoba Linux. Hlala ungenzi lutho futhi ulishaye indiva leli qiniso lobungozi bethu sonke.

Ukukhethwa kwe-Linux == Zero.


U-Lennart kumele abe ulayini ngokumelene naye shit ngokuhleka ngomugqa onjalo. Ngakolunye uhlangothi uMartin Gräßlin ukumemezele lokho I-Kwin en Wayland kuzoya nge-logind.

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    1.    UManuel de la Fuente kusho

      Esikhathini esedlule, umhlaziyi wokuqala owine uhambo lwezindleko zonke-wakhokha waphuma. Ngenkathi ngilapha ngizobe ngishaya i-banhammer kanzima. Ukuphawula okuthukayo kanye / noma ngaphandle kokuphikisana kuya ngqo esihogweni, noma ngabe kungithukuthelisa lokho ngokucwaninga nokunye okunjalo. Kuhle ukuthi i-flamewar ibungaza kepha «konke ngesilinganiso» ...

      1.    yezimg kusho

        hahaha xD, ngiyibonile: v, impikiswano yakhe ibingeyimbi neze, kepha waya otshanini lapho enza i-xD

      2.    phumlani kusho

        Yebo, u-elav uvele wamvuselela futhi wamphendula.

        1.    UManuel de la Fuente kusho

          HAHAHAJAJAJAJAJA, bekumele kube njalo, bheka ukuthi angathanda yini ukuchitha isikhathi ezingxoxweni ezingenamqondo. Hhayi-ke, uma kuyilokho akufunayo, ngigeza izandla zami bese ngimnika ibhamhammer, kusukela manje ngilungiselela nama-popcorn ami futhi ngiyabuka nje ... http://i.imgur.com/YcJ0XpY.jpg

        2.    izinga kusho

          Akukho lutho olungalungile ngalokho kuphawula, kungumbono olula maqondana nokuthi angazi ukuthi iyiphi imbongolo ... XDD

    2.    I-Yukiteru kusho

      Lokho @tete konke kuhlanya 😀

      Ngendlela engivele nginayo isistimu yami ekhululekile kuConsolekit, Policykit, nangokuzihlanganisa ngaphandle kwezinkinga 🙂

      1.    yezimg kusho

        kuhle! Ukuguquguquka kwe-Gentoo xD kuyahlaba umxhwele

      2.    umgwaqo kusho

        Umm angazi ngecala lakho elithile, kepha i-systemd yami inginike izinkinga eziningi, ikakhulukazi nge-PAM, bengizolinda isikhashana ukuthi ngiguquke, okwamanje, njengoba ngisebenzisa nama-BSD, ngincamela ukusebenzisa i-OpenRC.

      3.    yezimg kusho

        @roader, u-yuki usebenzisa i-OpenRC ngaphandle kwe-Consolekit noma i-Policykit

      4.    I-Yukiteru kusho

        @roader, angiyithandi i-systemd, nginamathela ku-OpenRC ngoba konke engikudingayo, kanye nokuba lula ukuphatha. Ngisuse amaKits * kusistimu yami, futhi i-automount ngiyenza ngisebenzisa udevil ka-IgnorantGuru futhi ihamba kahle. Mayelana ne-PAM, lokhu kungaqedwa, eGentoo unawo lowo mthamo, angazi ukuthi kuzoba njani kwi-BSD.

  1.   igolo kusho

    Ngangiyifundile, futhi ngokuvamile ngiyavumelana nalokho ekushoyo. Yize i-imeyili enjalo kuhlu lwe-kernel ... kungabonakala sengathi kubukeka nje ukwenza i-flamewar. Kepha njengoba ngishilo ngaphambili, akusho ukuthi kukhulunywa ngamaphoyinti amaningi avumelekile, kepha angicabangi ukuthi yindawo leyo (ngombono wami).

    Kuyafaneleka ukusho ukuthi ezinsukwini ezintathu ezedlule ngenze i-tweet ethi: «i-gnome, i-pulseaudio ne-systemd zinokuthile ezifanayo: indlela engajabulisi abasebenzisana ngayo (t) nomphakathi we #Linux: - /» https://twitter.com/gorlok/status/500413760595849216

    Kwakungenxa yezingxabano eziqhubekayo zalawa maphrojekthi, ikakhulukazi abathuthukisi / abaholi bawo, ukuthi basebenzelane kanjani nomphakathi, ngezimpikiswano eziqhubekayo. Kuyacaca ukuthi akunakwenzeka ukwenza wonke umuntu ajabule, ngaso sonke isikhathi, futhi ngasikhathi sinye ahlangabezane nezinhloso. Ayikho ifomula yeprojekthi yokushiya wonke umuntu ejabule ecula iKumbaya, kepha ukusuka lapho kuye ezingeni eliqhubekayo lezingxabano nokushayisana okukhona okukhona kulezo projekthi eziyizibonelo ezi-3, kukhona ukunweba.

    Ikakhulukazi nge-systemd, ngaphandle kwezingxabano nefilosofi yokwakhiwa kwayo, iyasebenza, futhi ixazulula izinkinga eziningana zangempela neziphuthumayo ezidinga ukuxazululwa. Ingabe ikhambi elingcono kakhulu? Angiboni. Yingakho ithole isikhala yize kunezingxabano. Akungabazeki ukuthi kukhona indawo yokuthi amanye amaphrojekthi athathe indawo yawo. Kungakho kubalulekile ukunciphisa ukuncika nge-systemd (noma i-pulseaudio ngesinye isibonelo), futhi ngalokho ngivumelana nomsebenzisi, ngakho-ke senza lula leyo ndlela ngokungangabazeki ezohanjwa ekugcineni. Enye indlela engokoqobo yokusetha i-systemd bekungaphezulu ... nayo ebingenayo ngaphandle kombuzo noma ukungqubuzana, cishe efanayo.

    Ngakolunye uhlangothi ... lezi zingxabano azinzima kangako, zivame kakhulu kunokujwayelekile. Bekulokhu kukhona futhi kuzoba khona njalo. Kuyafaneleka ukusho amacala amaningi omlando nge-GCC, ngokwesibonelo, akhiqize amanye amaphrojekthi ngokuhlola ezinye izindlela, ekugcineni ezacebisa umphakathi.

    Ngibheja ekugcineni enye iphrojekthi izongena lapha futhi, ngaphandle kokuthi ekugcineni i-systemd isebenze ngemibuzo yakho futhi iyixazulule. Okwamanje ... kuyilokhu, futhi ngicabanga ukuthi abaningi bakuqonda ngaleyo ndlela, ngenkathi bencamela ukunikela ngemizamo yabo kwezinye izindaba eziphuthumayo.

    1.    I-Yukiteru kusho

      Iqiniso ukuthi kunemibuzo nezinkinga eziningi mayelana ne-systemd uLeannart angakhathaleli kangako ngokuyixazulula yize becindezela kwesinye isikhathi, noma kumane kufihlwe ngokwenza izinguquko ezimbi kusoftware ehlobene nesistimu (icala likaKay). Isithangami besivele siqalile ukukhuluma ngalolu daba futhi ngibeka etafuleni ezinye izinto obekufanele zenzeke nge-systemd nezimbungulu ezingafuni isixazululo (okwamanje).

      Link: http://foro.desdelinux.net/viewtopic.php?pid=21896#p21896

      1.    umgwaqo kusho

        Ungikhumbuza nge-OpenSSL ...

      2.    I-Yukiteru kusho

        Icala licishe lifane okungenani ngemuva. Kuyinto efana nokuthi: «Masenze imigqa eminingi yekhodi, masingaphawuli ngayo, masingayibhali, noma kunjalo akekho umuntu obukeza ikhodi kahle, futhi uma kuvela iphutha, sizobona ukuthi senzani ngayo»

  2.   U-Andrelo kusho

    KwiLinux, akukho lutho olubafanele, uma i-distro ngayinye yenza lokho okuculwa ngakho, baxoxa ngokungalungile, lokho kuqhekeka nokuthi ulwandle ngemoto, futhi uma bekuhlanganisa ukuthi bathathe inkululeko, uma benza bengayithandi, bezwa imbongolo nohlelo ...

    1.    izinga kusho

      Bengingalindele enye impendulo evela eWindosero? (Angazi nokuthi lelo gama lisetshenziswe kahle yini). Abasebenzisi beWindows nama-Mac bajwayele ukusebenzisa abakushoyo, YEBO noma YEBO. Lokhu akukaze kwenzeke nge-GNU / Linux, yingakho konke lokhu kuthukuthela, futhi ungikholwe ukuthi akungenxa yokushoda kohlelo, noma izimbongolo.

  3.   i-ecoslacker kusho
  4.   KZKG ^ Gaara kusho

    Ngiyavuma ezicini eziningi zalokho okuxoxwe ngakho lapha.

    Ngikhumbula nge-nostalgia lezo zinsuku ze-Arch lapho ngangingenayo i-systemd, lapho i-rc.conf yayikhona njalonjalo, ngoba ama-90% wokumiswa kwesistimu yami acacisiwe kulelo fayela.

    Kwamanye ama-distros (njenge-Debian) bekungenjalo, bekungagxiliwe konke kufayela elilodwa, kepha bengingenandaba, i-init ibimnandi kimi, ngiyiqonda kahle, bengazi ukuthi isebenza kanjani nokuthi ingayenza kanjani isebenze ngendlela ebengifuna ngayo, ama-runlevels , rcconf, njll.

    Manje nge-systemd ... ake sithi into yokuqala ukuthi yehlukile. iphephabhuku, i-systemctl, namanye amathuluzi yebo, akuvumela ukuthi wenze okufanayo kepha ngilokhu ngizibuza, ngabe lolu shintsho beludingeka ngempela? … U_U… Ngiyayazi impendulo yami, uzokwazi neyakho.

    Angizisoli ngokusebenzisa i-systemd ku-Arch manje (akusho ukuthi angikwazi noma ngeke ngizisole ... noma ngiyisebenzise, ​​noma ngikhohlwa i-Arch), kepha ngifisa sengathi ngabe bekungenjalo.

    Indatshana enhle kakhulu. Angihlanganyeli ne-crusade eyedlulele »ngokumelene neSystemD, kepha ngiyavuma ukuthi iqiniso elilula lokuthi i-systemd yi-« ring eyodwa ukubabusa bonke »akuyona inketho engcono kakhulu, akufanele yenziwe ibe yimbi nokuthi manje wonke ama-distros amukela le filosofi ... kahle, labo asebeke bayibona i-Lord of the Ring sebeyazi ukuthi leyo nkulumo iphela kanjani 😉

    1.    umgwaqo kusho

      Ungahlala usebenzisa enye i-initmanager, akunzima kangako, into kuphela ukuthi imibhalo ye-init kufanele ilandwe (noma ibhalwe) wedwa.

    2.    U-Alberto Cardona kusho

      I-rc.conf eyinqaba, angiqondi i-systemd, yisizathu sokuthi ngishiye i-Arch, ungayijwayeli, kuyisiphithiphithi sangempela 🙁

    3.    wakho kusho
      1.    U-Alberto Cardona kusho

        Gracias!
        Phendula ngokucaphuna

  5.   vicky kusho

    Hhayi, ngaphandle kwenhloso yokona, kimi kubonakala ngathi yindatshana empofu kakhulu. Kunemibuzo embalwa kakhulu yezobuchwepheshe, futhi umbhali ubonakala ebeka ukubaluleka okukhulu ekuzizweleni ekhethekile. Ngokubona kwami, ukumiswa kwezingxenye eziyisisekelo zohlelo akubonakali kukubi kimi.

    1.    phumlani kusho

      ukulungiswa: Kubonakala kimi kuyincwadi ebhedayo.

    2.    umfowethu omdala kusho

      Ekuqaleni kwendatshana kuyacaciswa ukuthi akuyona i-athikili yombhali kepha ukuhumusha kwamahhala kwencwadi eyenziwe ohlwini lweKernel ... kubukeka kabi ukuthi kuphawulwe ngoba nje.

  6.   I-Yukiteru kusho

    Le mpi izoba yinde, umbuzo uthi ngabe lokhu kuzoholela ku-init eyodwa kuwo wonke ama-distros (i-Ring yokubalawula bonke) noma omunye umuntu uzoba nokukhanyiselwa kokwenza i-init entsha ngokuthuthuka kwezobuchwepheshe nokwakhiwa maqondana ne-init yamanje , lokho yinto esazobonakala.

    Ngokwami, mina ngokwami ​​ngisebenzise i-systemd iminyaka embalwa (i-Archlinux ne-Debian Testing, futhi nginemishini yamakhasimende enaleyo init) futhi kufanele ngisho ukuthi ezikhathini eziningi bekuyisibusiso nakwabanye ubuso bukaDeveli ukukunyathela ngangokunokwenzeka . Izimbungulu eziyinqaba ngisho nokunye okuyingozi impela, ukuncika kanye nokuphambuka kwezinsizakalo, ngamafuphi, izinto ezihambisana nesoftware engakazinzi kahle futhi yona ehambisana nobunzima bezinhlelo obungajwayelekile impela.

    Engxenyeni yezentuthuko, bengifunda ikhodi ehleliwe, ukubona ukuthi ibhalwe kanjani futhi iphawulwe kanjani futhi empilweni yami ngibonile okuthile okuxakile, ngaphandle kwalokhu, ngeHero World abakuthumela ukuba ukwenze ekilasini lakho lokuqala izinhlelo.

  7.   Raul kusho

    Yebo, njenge-flamewar, kulungile. Kepha maqondana nendatshana ngizochaza umbono wami:
    I-init ayisasebenzi. Kungani? Yonke imisebenzi okufanele uyenze ngentambo eyodwa (ngicabanga ukuthi wonke umuntu uthanda izinto ukushesha futhi asebenzise lawo maprosesa we-multicore esinama-computer ethu). Akuvumeli ukuba nokuncika phakathi kwezinqubo ukuze kungaqali uma abanye bengekho (ngaphandle kokuthi siseshe ngomyalo we-ps, kepha lokhu kubukeka njengehlaya). Kubasebenzisi abathukuthele kakhulu ukuthi ababona onjiniyela noma abalondolozi bamaphakeji wokusabalalisa, batshele ukuthi uma singabanakekeli nabathuthukisi, lezi ezinye izindlela ekuqaleni (phezulu, systemd, ...) zisinika impilo ukuze sikwazi ukwenza izinto zisebenze lula , ikakhulukazi ekusatshalalisweni okufana neDebian ukuthi uma ufaka iphakethe konke sekuvele kusebenza (ufaka i-Apache futhi kusukela kulowo mzuzu sekuqalisiwe futhi kuzohlala kunjalo). Izinto ezine-init zingaba lula, kepha kuza iphuzu lapho kungakuniki isixazululo (ipiki lihle kakhulu futhi kulula kakhulu, kepha angiboni abasebenzi abaningi besebenzisa ipiki ukumba imisele ku-asphalt) . Ngakho-ke, kuyadingeka ukusebenzisa uhlelo lwesimanjemanje kune-Init. Yikuphi okumele ukhethe? Bebevele bephikisana uma i-SystemD, uma iqala phezulu, uma enye indlela ye-Init (manje angikhumbuli ukuthi yini enye i-init eyayibizwa nge-vr noma i-hr), ngisebenzise i-upartart ngokwanele ukusho ukuthi iluhlaza kakhulu izidingo zabathuthukisi futhi Ngiqalekise inkulungwane kanye kanye. Ngokuqala angikaze ngibe nenjabulo yokukwazi ukuyithinta kangaka, kepha uma ukusatshalaliswa okuningi (i-Arch, Fedora, Suse, Debian, Ubuntu ...) kuyikhethile, kuzoba yinto, akunjalo? Ngokwalokho engikubonile kungahle kube nzima kakhulu ukukusebenzisa (akubonakali kuyinkimbinkimbi kakhulu noma), kepha akuyona into abasebenzisi abajwayelekile beLinux okufanele bakhathazeke ngayo. Futhi uma ungunjiniyela / umlondolozi / i-sysadmin, awu, lapho usebenzisa ikhompyutha kufanele uvuselele kabusha futhi ufunde izinto ezintsha; Okuhle izolo, namuhla akusazanelisi izidingo futhi kufanele ushintshe ukuze uthuthuke. Mayelana nokuthi ivaliwe noma cha, uma abathuthukisi be-SystemD bevilapha futhi bengafuni ukulungisa izinto, kunezinketho ezimbili. noma udale olunye uhlelo lokuqalisa olwenza izinto ezidingekayo noma olufunda ukuthi isistimu isebenza kanjani futhi isize ngentuthuko.
    Futhi uma ungasithandi isinqumo sikaDebian, ungahlala uzakhela i-distro yakho futhi uyenze noma ngabe ufuna.

    1.    yezimg kusho

      mnumzane, ngithatha isigqoko sami ekuphawuleni kwakho

    2.    umgwaqo kusho

      Noma faka i-openrc (noma omunye umphathi) imibhalo ye-init oyidingayo bese uguqula inketho ye-init = ku-grub. Njengomuntu othanda uhlelo lokho. Ngenxa yezizathu zokwenza okusebenzayo, sebenzisa i-openrc esikhundleni salokhu kufanele ngisho ukuthi, yize ingathuthukisiwe kangako, ayinalutho lokunomona, inokwesekwa kokufana, iyahambisana kakhulu. Ngifuna nje ukuthi ushintshe induduzo endala ibe yi-logind.

      1.    u-raul kusho

        I-Openrc, leyo enye indlela eyashintshwa lapho kushintshwa i-Init nokuthi angikhumbuli. Ake sibheke, iningi lempikiswano elenziwe livela eqinisweni lokuthi ngenxa yohlelo lokuncika ebelinokuncika (ngicabanga ukuthi ngiyakhumbula ukuthi nge-kernel) ikhiqize ukuthi ayikwazi ukuhanjiswa kwezinye izakhiwo, ukuze ibe mahhala. Noma kunjalo, angicabangi ukuthi i-upstart ingaba enye indlela evumelekile kakhulu, futhi i-openrc angikayiboni nhlobo futhi angikwazi ukuphawula.

      2.    Staff kusho

        Ngaphandle kokuba ngaphakathi kulula kakhulu ukusho ukuthi yini okufanele uyenze nokuthi yini ongayenzi, ephepheni kubukeka kukuhle kakhulu, kepha uma usuvele ukhona ne-KDE entsha, i-GNOME, i-Wayland nezinye izinto eziya ngokuya zihlobene / zincike kusistimu zifika. ukwenza?

      3.    I-Yukiteru kusho

        @roader, kungenzeka ukuthi usebenzise i-OpenRC ngaphandle kokuthi kufakwe i-Consolekit noma i-Policykit 🙂

        @raul, ngoba i-OpenRC iyi-init elula kakhulu, inani lekhodi ekulo lingaphansi kwemigqa eyizinkulungwane ezingama-40, uma kuqhathaniswa nemigqa engaphezu kweziyizinkulungwane ezingama-400 zesistimu (futhi iyanda), kuyilapho inokuncika okumbalwa futhi kungaphezulu modular noma kune-systemd. I-OpenRC inokufaniswa, iyaphatheka kwamanye ama-NIX, iyakwazi ukukhawulela izinsiza ngezinsizakalo, ihlanganiswe namaCGroups ne-SELinux (lezi zici ezimbili zifana namafulegi ahleliwe).

        Ngiyisebenzisa ku-Gentoo, futhi ngaphandle kokusebenzisa ukufanisa ibhuqa uhlelo lwami ngemizuzwana engama-22,3 ngenkathi i-systemd ikwenza ku-Debian kumasekhondi angaphezulu kwe-18 (angikhumbuli ama-millisecond hehe) ngisebenzisa izinsiza ezifanayo.

      4.    Raul kusho

        @Yukiteru, inkinga engiyibonayo ukuthi nge-openrc kuzofanele upheke yonke imibhalo yokuqalisa, futhi kungumbhoshongo ukuthi ukwenze, ikakhulukazi uma unezinsizakalo ezincikene (ngokwesibonelo ama-glusterfs kufanele aqale ngemuva amabhuzu enethiwekhi, kepha hhayi ngemuva kwesikhathi kunesistimu yefayela), yingakho ngingeke ngenze umzamo we-titanic wokubhala kabusha yonke imibhalo yokuqalisa yolunye uhlelo. Uma lowo onqobayo nomphakathi we-systemD ethatha isinqumo, sizowamukela kahle, okuyi-Upstart, bese uqhubeka nawo.
        @ Abasebenzi, uma iphrojekthi ithatha isinqumo sokuthatha indlela, angikwazi ukwenza lutho ngaphandle kokuyilandela noma ngithathe enye indlela. IGnome yami ayikuthandanga lapho ngishintshela ku-Gnome3 futhi ngishintshela ku-KDE. Kwakunabantu ababengayithandi iGnome3 futhi futhi banquma ukudala iMate. Angikalifundi ilayisense le-SystemD, kepha ngenxa yokuthi kuncane kangakanani engikwaziyo i-LGPL 2.1 futhi okuwukuphela kwento ukuthi kubonakala ngathi isebenzisa okuthile okunelayisense yokuphathelene, ngakho-ke angicabangi (ngikhuluma kancane ngokungazi ngobunzima) ukuthi bukhulu kakhulu kunzima ukwenza imfoloko uma kufika isikhathi sokuthi konke kuncike kuSystemD. Nginesiqiniseko sokuthi ngeke ukhululeke ngakho konke okusebenzisa kwimvelo yedeskithophu yakho, kepha uma kukhona okunye, ungakushintsha, futhi uma kungenjalo, ngicabanga ukuthi uzokwamukela ngoba akukho okungcono, akunjalo?

      5.    I-Yukiteru kusho

        @raul With OpenRC kufanele ubhale kabusha imibhalo yokuqalisa? Nokho okungenani eGentoo angikaze ngikwenze ngisho nokusebenzisa ukufanisa, futhi uma kunesidingo kufanele isetshenziswe kwenye i-distro, kuyefana naseDebian noma kunoma iyiphi enye i-distro ethuthela eSystemD, kufanele ubhale kabusha okuningi yemibhalo yokuzivumelanisa ne-PATHs phakathi kweminye imininingwane eza naleyo distro embuzweni.

  8.   desikoder kusho

    Yebo, ngicabanga ukuthi i-systemd iyamangalisa, ngiyivivinye kuma-distros afana ne-archlinux futhi isebenza njengenhlamvu, futhi yize isetshenziswa ekuhlolweni kwe-debian kusenezinsizakalo ezithile ezindala ezinemibhalo ku /etc/init.dy okumele iqalwe ngokuhambisana okufana ne- "LSB", ngakho-ke ngesikhathi esithile i-debian isivele ifake konke kusistimu. Inkinga akuyona nje ijubane elikunikezayo kuphela, kepha ipharadigm yokuphathwa kwezinsizakalo ihleleke kahle futhi inhle kakhulu. Eqinisweni, uma ubheka / usr / lib / systemd / system kanye / njll / systemd / system ungenza isihlahla sezinsizakalo zengqondo ngesikhathi sokuqalisa, empeleni ngibhale ephepheni lomzimba umuthi okhishwe kokuqukethwe kwamafayela we-systemd futhi kuyacaca ukuthi kwenzekani. Isibonelo, ukuhlelwa ngokuzenzakalela kwethula i-default.target, okuyisixhumanisi se- graphical.target (noma ngabe ayikho indawo yokuqhafaza efakiwe), futhi ungaguqula okuzenzakalelayo.target ngezindlela ezi-3.

    1) Cacisa kulayini we-kernel inani lokuqondiwe okuzenzakalelayo kwe-systemd
    2) Ku / usr / lib / systemd / system guqula isixhumanisi esizenzakalelayo
    3) systemctl vumela i-multi-user.target || i-systemctl inika amandla i-graphical.target noma yini oyifunayo ngokuzenzakalela. Njengoba lezi zinhloso zinegama elithi default.target esigabeni sokufaka, ukuwafaka kufana nokwakha isixhumanisi esiqondiswe kokuzenzakalelayo ku /etc/systemd/system/default.target.

    Futhi, kuyabonakala ukuthi abaphathi beseshini bathanda i-slim, ngokwesibonelo ngaphansi kwe-archlinux, kungabonakala ukuthi bafakwe ne-alias session-manager.service (noma igama elifanayo), kanye ne- graphical.target ine (ukuxhomekeka kokuzithandela) session-manager.service futhi njengokuncika okuqinile ku-multi-user.target. Ngamafuphi, yakhiwe kahle kakhulu ...

    Ukubingelela!

  9.   edo kusho

    Futhi usho ukuthini ngemuva kokuthi iSystemD ifike kuDebian? Okungenani yilokho engikucabangayo, ngicabanga ukuthi kumele ngabe ukuthumele lokhu ngaphambi kokuthi kwenzeke lokho.
    Ngakolunye uhlangothi iSystemD ingcono kuzo zonke izindawo (ngaphandle (ngokusobala) kulokho okushiwo ngenhla) kunezinye izindlela, ngoba phela kuyiphuzu lokubuka elikudalula lapho.

  10.   umgwaqo kusho

    Hhayi ukuthi bekunzima ukushintshela ku-OpenRC. Impela kufanele wakhe ungqimba lokuhambisana (noma umane wamukele) i-logind.

  11.   Staff kusho

    Namanje nalokhu? Abantu kubonakala sengathi abazi ukuthi izimpi ze-init sezivele ziphelile ngo-systemd njengonqobayo, ngoba akusekho izimbangi.
    Yini okwakukhona / yiziphi izinketho?

    -Linda
    Ngokuqinisekile akunjalo.

    -Qala, i-OpenRC….
    Cha, akukho okukhethwa kukho okukhona okunenzuzo yezobuchwepheshe noma ukusekelwa komphakathi kanye nebhizinisi okusetshenzisiwe yi-systemd, sikholelwa ukuthi umdali we-Upstart (isitha esiqine kakhulu) uyakubona lokho futhi wasishayela ihlombe isinqumo sikaDebian sokuthuthela kusistimu.

    -Dala okusha.
    Lokhu akudingi ukuthi kuchazwe.

    Ngakho-ke uma sinomnqobi osinika isoftware yamahhala ngaphandle kwe-CLA ehlukumezayo, ngakho-ke masikusebenzise, ​​uma "kuyindandatho yokubalawula bonke" lapho-ke kufanele sibambe iqhaza futhi sithole indlela esingasebenzisa ngayo iringi ngesikhathi esifanayo.

    1.    u-raul kusho

      Mayelana neringi, kungani kungekho noyedwa okhononda ngokhuni? futhi kuyinhlamvu eyodwa yokubaphatha bonke, futhi akekho ovikela uHurd (futhi ngesizathu esihle).

      1.    yezimg kusho

        futhi ngithatha isibindi, manje ngakho konke lokhu "despiole" (ukunakwa, ngizosebenzisa ukwenziwa okungalungile ukugcizelela umbono wami) wonke umuntu ugqoka ihembe le-BSD ... ngokuzumayo bonke bangabasebenzisi be-BSD, futhi bakhuthaza lokho iyatholakala yonke isoftware ye-BSD, i-AmigaOS, i-BeOS, iSolaris njll ... asihambe bafana ... uma ukhathazeke kakhulu ngalezo zinhlelo, thumela ama-patches ukuze i-systemd ihambisane ... noma wehluleka lokho, faka izicelo lokho kuncike kusistimu ukuze isebenzisane NAWE ..

      2.    Staff kusho

        Impela, kunenkulumo ephindwe kabili esabekayo.
        Uma leyo kernel isetshenziswa, kungenxa yokuthi azikho izinketho ezinesilinganiso esifanayo sokuvuthwa, kepha akuyona inkinga, inelayisense yamahhala, singayisebenzisa, sizibandakanye ukuze sisebenze NJENGOBA SIFUNA nokuthi nini isikhathi sifika sokuyiguqula (Okuzokwenzeka) ukhethe inketho (yalabo asebevele bethuthukiswa) eqhubeka nokusinikeza inkululeko efanayo.

      3.    Staff kusho

        @ sbusisomngadi11
        Ku * BSD akulula kangako, ngenxa yendlela ephatha ngayo amaphrojekthi.
        I-GUN / Linux ngokwemvelo iyipharadesi lama-workaround, ama-patches nokuthelekiswa okungaphezulu, okuningi okungalungiswanga, okungabhaliwe kahle futhi ekugcineni kudinga ama-patches amaningi, adinga ama-patches, adinga ama-patches ...
        * Futhi qaphela * Angisho ukuthi enye yezindlela ingcono kunezinye, zimane zehlukile.

        Njengoba ngiphendulile ku-raul, kukhona indinganiso ephindwe kabili (futhi ngifaka ukunganakwa) kukho konke lokhu, okuthinta nokushoyo.
        Iningi lalabo abashaya ihlombe * i-BDS yibo laba abahlasela isimo semibono seFree Software ezintweni ezinjengabashayeli abaphethe bese begcwalisa imilomo yabo bethi bakhetha i-Open Source, ngaphandle kokubona ukuthi ngokwesibonelo, i-OpenBSD nabakhulumeli bayo abakhulu, okungenani baqinile njengoStallman uqobo futhi engateketiseki kangako.
        Ngakho-ke, labo bantu ekugcineni abanikeli kwi-BSD noma i-GNU, njengoba besho kwi-baseball slang: Akuyona i-pichan, noma ibambe, noma ivumele i-bat.

  12.   engaziwa kusho

    I-athikili ilungile, kuphela ukuthi esikhundleni sokuchaza ukuthi kungani i-systemd ingumdlavuza (okuyiwo), iyaduma ngaphandle kokunikeza izincazelo zokuthi kungani i-systemd imbi.
    Into embi nge-systemd yiqembu elincane (elikhokhelwe kahle) eliqhuba intuthuko yalo, alinikezi ikota lebhola kubantu, liguqula izindlela ezisobala njenge syslog-ng ne-journald ... konke kuba mnyama ngaphansi kohlelo.
    Ukuhlanganisa kuhle, kepha ukuze wonke umphakathi ukwenze, hhayi induku ekhokhelwa kahle enjoloba yebhizinisi nezintshisekelo zombuso.
    Ngenhlanhla i-gentoo ne-funtoo bathe cha, i-openrc ngeke iguqulwe njengohlelo oluzenzakalelayo, futhi sinenhlanhla yokuthi i-gentoo forked udev ne-eudev yadalelwa ukususa ugcunsula ku-udev / systemd.

    $eix -Ic eudev
    [I] sys-fs / eudev (1.9-r2@27/07/14): Idivayisi enamandla neqhubekayo ye-Linux eqamba ukwesekwa (aka userspace devfs)

    $ eix -I-openrc
    [I] sys-apps / openrc (0.12.4@20/04/14): I-OpenRC ilawula izinsizakalo, ukuqala nokuvala umphathi

    Akwanele ukubonakala ulungile, kufanele ukufakazele futhi lapho i-systemd yehluleka khona, okushodayo ukuthi bayimfoloko, futhi bashintshe abaholi bayo.

    1.    umfowethu omdala kusho

      Ngoba ukuhunyushwa kokuthunyelwe ohlwini lwama-imeyili lweKernel, hhayi umbono womuntu uqobo wombhali wenothi.

    2.    phumlani kusho

      Lennart uyakwazi torpedo eudev. Hlela ukuhambisa udev ku-kdbus

      http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html

      1.    I-Yukiteru kusho

        Ngicabanga ukuthi kungani i-torpedo iphrojekthi yemfoloko efana ne-eudev? Ngabe uLennart akanasithakazelo nakancane ekudaleni ezinye izindlela ezisebenzayo zesoftware evela kuRed Hat?

        Vele lokhu akusho ukuthi akunakwenzeka, kepha kuzokwenza izinto zibe nzima kakhulu futhi amaphrojekthi afana ne-eudev angawa ngoba awanakukwazi ukuhambisana ne-udev / systemd / kdbus nenani lezinsizakusebenza ezinikelwe kulo.

        Angazi kodwa ngezinga esizoya ngalo kwesinye isikhathi sizoba nomugqa olandelayo ekukhishweni kwethu: «Kususelwa kuRed Hat Linux OS. Wonke amalungelo agodliwe © 20XX »

      2.    yezimg kusho

        Angazi ukuthi abafana bazoxazulula kanjani nge-eudev, kepha i-KDbus yiprojekthi engiyibhange, kungubuwula obungenangqondo ukuthi kufanele ngiguqule umongo izikhathi ezi-2 noma ezi-3 ukuxhumana ngezinqubo nge-Dbus yamanje, kuyahlanya ...

        uma ingekho ngaphansi kwe-systemd, izoba ngaphansi kwe-init eyodwa, kepha i-KDbus akufanele ibe yinto ethathwa kancane ...

      3.    I-Yukiteru kusho

        Impela iphuzu ukuthi uLennart uzokwenza noma yini ayifunayo ngaleyo khodi, ilapho iphuzu likhona, uLennart nenkampani sebenabo abaningi abacasukile ngokweqisa kwabo, futhi noLinus kwesinye isikhathi uke waphonsa itshe lakhe elinye nelinye ngendlela yakhe yokwenza izinto .

  13.   engaziwa kusho

    Impela lapho imaski yawa, ayiyeki ukungimangaza amandla imali anayo.
    Njengoba kuzothinta abantu be-gentoo ukuthi le drone izama ukufaka i-kdbus ngaphakathi komgogodla, kuzofanele ikholise uLinus ukuthi abeke lokho kubola ngaphakathi komgogodla kuqala.
    Ngaphandle kwe-gentoo kukhona onjiniyela abangaluthwala ushintsho kusuka ku-udev naku-kdbus kuya eudev, akunzima nakancane ukucabanga ngosayizi wekhodi ye-udev / systemd.
    Kuyadingeka ngokuphuthumayo ukwenza imfoloko ehleliwe nokuthi umphakathi wonke ubambe izinqumo zendlela izinto ezenziwa ngayo.
    Okungicasula kakhulu nge-systemd ukuncika kwensiza eyodwa kokunye, lokho kulawula kufanele kube okwenziwa ngesandla, uma wehluleka ukulawula ukuthi iyiphi i-daemon esebenzayo noma engasebenzi, bese ulahlekelwa ukulawula uhlelo lwakho ... ngaleso sinyathelo bazophakamisa ukususa empandeni bese ufaka isithombe esingaguquguquki kudiski… ..konke kusebenza ngokufanayo, indlela enkulu uma kwenzeka kuba khona “isiphazamisi esingaziwa” ukuze sikwazi ukulawula wonke ama-linux pcs.

    1.    yezimg kusho

      nginike isizathu sokuthi kungani ukusebenzisa i-kdbus kungazuzisi (futhi angisho ukuthi letha yonke i-systemd, i-KDbus nje), kungubuwula obungasile ukuthi kufanele ngishintshe umongo izikhathi ezi-2 noma ezi-3 ukuxhumana ngezinqubo nge-Dbus yamanje, kuyahlanya .. .

      1.    engaziwa kusho

        Angisho ukuthi kubi ukusebenzisa ibhasi ledeskithophu esikhaleni se-kernel, engikushoyo ukuthi ukuqaliswa kwakho kwe-kdbus (Lennart's) ngeke kuthembeke ngoba uzokushintsha njengokuthanda kwakho ukucwenga umhlaba wonke yemigwaqo.
        Sengivele ngifunde eminye imibono yeLinus ku-systemd futhi angicabangi ukuthi ngiyisiwula kakhulu ukunikela.

        Ngubani owavumela uLennart ukuthi anamathele ikhala lakhe kwizingodo zohlelo? kuthinta iphakethe le-syslog-ng ne-journald yayo ngefomethi kanambambili, elula # ikati / var / log / umyalezo | grep -i okuthile
        Kuvumelekile kusuka noma ikuphi ukubona ilogi ehlungiwe ngaphandle kokusebenzisa noma yini engekho ohlelweni oluyisisekelo, kuvela ukuthi iphephabhuku lisebenzisa ifomethi kanambambili futhi kuphela nge-jpurnald ephathekayo ungabona okuqukethwe futhi ukukuhlunge ngamapharamitha akulula neze .
        Ungayisebenzisa kanjani i-systemd ne-syslog-ng ngaphandle kokufaka i-journald? … .Kungakho kungumdlavuza, usakazeka kuzo zonke izingxenye zohlelo, ukumboza, ukuvimba nokukhansela amanye amaphakethe.

      2.    Emiliano kusho

        I-log kanambambili, izwakala njengeWindows kimi.

      3.    I-Yukiteru kusho

        @emiliano, futhi ungaphuthelwa imininingwane yokuthi kufanele uqale kabusha i-PC uma kwenzeka i-systemd kanye nezinsizakalo eziningi zibuyekezwa ngasikhathi sinye, kulawo macala ngisho nokwenza i-systemctl daemon-reload izokusindisa ekwenzeni kabusha kabusha okuphelele kusistimu yakho uma ufuna isebenze njengoba injalo. Amawindi? Kuphi?

  14.   Domingo kusho

    Bengihlala ngisebenzisa ukwabiwa kwe -deb ngoba kimi bekulokhu kulula ukusebenzisa ukwedlula lokho komndeni wakwa .rpm.
    Lokho lula ngihlale ngicabanga ukuthi kuqalile. Ngangilimele ngosuku engathola ngalo ukuthi uDebian ukhethe i-systemD

  15.   I-Skarmiglion kusho

    Ngokwethembeka ikhodi yomthombo isazoba lapho, yenza eyakho i-distro. Angibonanga ncazelo yokuthi yini engalungile ngokuhlelwa okuhleliwe ngaphandle kokuphawula okuphakathi nendawo mayelana nokuthile kwezobuchwepheshe, ulwandle lwamagama athukayo olungenayo nencazelo, kulungile ngaphandle kokungafihli lutho (ukumelana noshintsho), usasebenzisa i-BSD, futhi le haiku os ... futhi kunezinhlelo eziningi zokusebenza mahhala uma ungazange uqaphele 🙂 ngincoma i-haiku os. Bengizothanda ukwazi ukuthi yini into kaSathane imayelana nayo yonke le nto kodwa ngabhema konke ukuphawula futhi angibonanga lutho olufanele ngaphandle kwesimo sefilosofi esiqinile (esivamile kuma-debianeros) ngicabanga ukuthi ngeke ube nguwe wedwa ukungavumelani nalokhu, kufanele kwenziwe futhi bakwenze kuphelele. Sanibonani, ngizoqala ukukhathazeka lapho ikhodi yomthombo ingatholakali, okwamanje neeee.

    1.    I-Yukiteru kusho

      Phezulu kwendatshana, kubhalwe ngokusobala ukuthi yincwadi evela kuDebianite ohlwini lkml.org, kepha hhayi ukugxekwa okuvela kumbhali (@diazepan).

  16.   Emiliano kusho

    Zonke "izinkinga" ze-init zihlobene nezinhlelo zedeskithophu, lapho i-GNU / Linux ingekho. Emkhakheni wamaseva, lapho i-GNU / Linux ingu- # 1, i-init iyona ehamba phambili. Uma ubona umsebenzisi ekhahlela iSystemD, nakanjani kungenxa yokuthi ilawula amaseva amaningi.
    Ukubingelela

    1.    Sawubona kusho

      Ngisebenzisa i-linux kepha angikaze ngizinikele ekuyazini ngaphakathi ngakho-ke lezi zingxoxo ze-upstart systemd nezinye zizwakala njengesiShayina kimi. Ngakho-ke ngibuza okuthile ukuthi kungani bethi i-systemd ingumdlavuza?
      kungakuthinta kangakanani ukukhula kwe-linux kernel. Kungenzeka yini ukuthi zihlukaniswe ekusatshalalisweni? ngiyabonga 🙂

    2.    eliotime3000 kusho

      Waphonswa ngaphandle ngenxa yokuthi nguyena owadala izimbungulu engazi ukuthi uzozixazulula kanjani. Ngakho-ke intukuthelo.

      Okokugcina, nansi imininingwane embalwa yokuthi kungani iLinux isuka kancane kancane kwifilosofi ye-UNIX:

      1.- I-FSF imelene ne-UNIX. Ngakho-ke, selokhu kwenziwa i-kernel, i-FSF iyiyona ethonye ibanga layo phakathi kwe-Unixeros.

      2.- I-UNIX kumaseva isivele ibonwa njenge-Windows XP kuma-PC we-desktop. Ngakho-ke, kungani ama-supercomputer e -ngxenye enkulu efakwe nge-distro ye-GNU / Linux.

      Ukube bekungekho lawo maphuzu amabili, uChristopher Barry ngabe wamukelwa abasebenzisi be-Linux bebonke. Kepha njengoba sikhohliwe ukuthi i-UNIX ayisasebenzi ngokufana naphambilini (yize kufanele kuvunywe ukuthi ngaphandle kwayo, i-intanethi noma ikhompyutha njengoba sazi ukuthi ngabe ikhona), nokuthi umkhakha webhizinisi uncike ngokuphelele kwiLinux (thatha ukubheka ukuthi iyiphi i-distro iNew York Stock Exchange ehweba ngayo).

    3.    I-Yukiteru kusho

      Lowo kwakunguKay Sievers, futhi uLinus wamenqabela ukufaka ikhodi ku-kernel ngoba inika izinkinga eziningi kunokuxazulula, ngaphezu kokufuna ukuvala iphutha le-kernel ukufihla amaphutha ekhodi ayibhalela i-systemd. Umbiko woqobo ungapha:

      https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935

  17.   mnyama kusho

    Ekugcineni, kuzofana nokusebenzisa iWindows ...

  18.   engaziwa kusho

    Futhi ngikhuluma ngeRoma… bavele bakhipha izinhlobo ezintsha ze-udev-init-scripts ne-openrc

    https://packages.gentoo.org/package/sys-fs/udev-init-scripts
    https://packages.gentoo.org/package/sys-apps/openrc

    Ngiyakhumbula lapho ngishintsha kusuka ku-udev ngiya ku-eudev, konke kuyingozi ngoba kufanele uqale ususe i-udev bese ufaka i-eudev, okwamanje usebenza emoyeni, uma kukhona okungahambi kahle ayikho enye indlela ongayenza ngaphandle kwe-chroot hehe

    1.    I-Yukiteru kusho

      Hahahahaha uma uhamba onqenqemeni lwentaba, okuhle ukuthi inesisombululo se-chroot hhayi okunye 🙂

  19.   eliotime3000 kusho

    UTheo de Raadt uzobe ehleka ngohleko kule flamewar (futhi ukucabanga ukuthi iLibreSSL yazalwa ngaphandle kwenkinga yokugcina i-OpenSSL nokungasebenzi kwayo kwesoftware uqobo eminyakeni yayo edlule).

    Okufanayo kuzokwenzeka uma iSystemD ibizoba nentshisekelo kaTheo kanye nama-hooligans e-OpenBSD (bazoyibiza I-SystemX maqondana ne-UNIX nomndeni, ngaphezu kwalokho bazoyenza ihambisane ngangokunokwenzeka, futhi -njengeLibreSSL- nekhasi lewebhu eline-Comic Sans typography).

    Noma kunjalo, kubonakala sengathi iSlackware neGentoo bangathola abalandeli abaningi ngenxa ye-flamewar (ngokujulile, iSlackware iyona enamathiselwe kakhulu ku-UNIX nefilosofi ye-KISS uqobo).

  20.   i-vinuk kusho

    Ukushiseka ngokweqile konke lokhu kuzwakala kimi

  21.   Mario kusho

    Ngingakutshela ukuthi isikhathi sakho ku-debian sesiphelile, uma ufuna ukugcina imikhuba yakho ye-UNIX, uzozizwa ukhululekile kakhulu nge-OpenRC ku-Gentoo - ungafaka ngokuphepha i-KDE futhi ngeke uthole isifuba se-Gnome. ISystemd neGnome ziyahambisana, kungaba yikhanda ukumaka iphakethe ngalinye, njengoba ngangifuna ubuntu nge-upstart. Ku-debian popcon ulokhu ethi iGnome iyasetshenziswa, izinsiza zikhawulelwe, futhi bakwi-beta yesibili yokukhishwa.

  22.   sf22 kusho

    Ngabe kukhona ongangichazela ukuthi iyiphi i-systemd futhi iyini inkinga ngayo (yize ngicabanga ukuthi isibhamu siyaphi)? Ukuthi yize ngisebenzisa i-Linux angazi kahle ukusebenza kwayo kwangaphakathi.

  23.   I-Yukiteru kusho

    i-systemd wuhlelo olubhekele ukuqala uhlelo lwakho olusebenzayo (i-init) nazo zonke izinsizakalo ozozisebenzisa kukhompyutha yakho, ukusuka ekufakeni i-hard disk ne-usb, kuya kuma-daemon azokuvumela ukuthi usebenzise i-inthanethi, kanye ukuvala uhlelo kanye nomkhondo wamaseshini womsebenzisi, phakathi kwezinye izinto eziningi.

  24.   Xerix kusho

    Akunandlela, ukuthola i-Hardware esekela i-FreeBSD kahle 😛

  25.   Xerix kusho

    Lokho yi-eliotime3000 yamanga
    1. I-FSF ayizondi i-UNIX. Bathanda kuphela ukukhuthaza isoftware yamahhala. Ukube i-AIX noma i-HP-UX bezingamahhala bezinganconywa yisisekelo. URichard Stallman uthe ukhethe ukukhetha uhlelo olufana ne-UNIX ngenxa yokuphatheka kwalo okukhulu nokuhlanzeka, yize ayegxekwa ngokujwayelekile.
    Futhi izenzo ze-FSF azihlangene nokwehlukaniswa kwe-UNIX ne-GNU / Linux, kepha kunalokho lokhu kususelwa kumodeli yabo yentuthuko ezuzwe njengefa noma etholakele. Ngenkathi eyokuqala iphakathi nendawo, izinzile futhi ihlolwe, eyesibili ifaka ukusebenza nezici ezisheshayo, ngaphandle kokwenza izivivinyo eziningi ezinzima.

  26.   engaziwa kusho

    Ku-gentoo ungaba ne-linux kernel noma i-freebsd kernel, yingakho nje i-gentoo eye yaba nayo yokwenqaba i-systemd, njengoba uzokwazi, i-systemd iboshelwe kumaqenjana okuyi-linux kernel kuphela futhi angahlanganisi ama-kernels afana ne-freebsd.

    $ eix -c imithombo ye-freebsd
    [N] imithombo ye-sys-freebsd / freebsd (-): Imithombo ye-FreeBSD kernel

    Izingxenyekazi zekhompuyutha zanamuhla ziyahambisana ngokuphelele kuma-95% wamacala, enye inkinga ngama-asics netbook angajwayelekile noma ama-chips ezincwajana, kodwa ngokuvamile okunye akunankinga, amanye ama-bios ngaphandle lapho namatafula e-ACPI angaqediwe kahle, kepha akukho okungakwazi lungiswa ngokuhlanganisa i-kernel noma ukudlulisa ipharamitha ye-kernel ku / etc / default / grub

  27.   engaziwa kusho

    Ingabe amagama ahambile nomoya

    Ngamazwi nje angenazimpikiswano, idatha ephathekayo, eqhathanisa ...

    iyinkulumo yefilosofi

    Ngingathanda ukuthola izizathu ezibhaliwe kuyo yonke leyo nkulumo, kepha angitholi lutho

  28.   UTina Toledo kusho

    "Labo abacabanga ukuthi iLinux kufanele ikhathazeke ngama-idiots nama-HOYGAN kufanele abuyele kuma-Macs naku-Windows, ayeke ukuzama" ukulungisa "i-Linux."
    Lesi yisibonelo esicacile sokuthi kungani iningi labasebenzisi beWindows lisibona njengesigejane sama-geeks azizwa njengenkaba yomhlaba ... mina, uBarry angagoqa incwadi yakhe encane ayibeke lapho, kuleyo ngxenye lomzimba lapho ilanga lingaphumi khona.

  29.   pvv92 kusho

    Yebo, i-systemd yami ayingicasuli, ayizinzile njengoba yayinjalo ekuqaleni, futhi iqiniso ukuthi angikhathali noma ngabe ivulekile, i-upstart systemd, inqobo nje uma i-pc yami iqala ngokushesha.

  30.   pvv92 kusho

    UTina, iningi labasebenzisi yilabo abangakaze bangene esithangamini sokubheka izingxoxo, abangazi ngisho nokuba khona kweLinux futhi uma benza kanjalo, bayazi ukuthi kukhona into exakile nebomvu ebizwa nge-Ubuntu. Ngakho-ke lezi zingxoxo, umsebenzisi ojwayelekile akafinyeleli noma athole, empeleni iningi alazi ukuthi liyisebenzisa kanjani iWindows kahle.

  31.   UTina Toledo kusho

    Pandev… uqinisile impela emhlabeni; iningi labasebenzisi beWindows abafundeki noma ababambiqhaza ezingxoxweni ezinjalo, futhi yingakho benesithombe esingesihle somsebenzisi we-GNU / Linux. Futhi ngemibono ewubuwula enjalo, njengaleyo ebhalwe nguBarry, abanantshisekelo kangako. Ubani ofuna ukuphathwa njengo "silima noHoygan"? Ngubani uChristopher Barry ocabanga ukuthi angabhekisa kwabanye ngaleyo ndlela? Ngakho-ke i-GNU / Linux yayikhona, ingabe futhi iyohlala iyiwo umhlaba ilungele kuphela "abakhanyiselwe" abaqonda izici zobuchwepheshe kanye "nenkululeko" edumile? Abasebenzisi abajwayelekile abafuna i-GNU / Linux ukuthi bakhiqize ama-distros anobungani, asebenziseka kalula futhi abanamakhono amancane noma abanandaba nolimi lohlelo kanye nemfundiso yeStallman, asibali ngoba ngokusho kukaMnu. UBarry »siyiziphukuphuku?

  32.   phumlani kusho

    tina, pandev. Qaphela ukuthi ukuxhumana engikubeke engxenyeni yama-hoygans ngikubeke ngendlela embi.

  33.   UTina Toledo kusho

    Sawubona Diazepan. Ngiyabonga ngokucaciselwa, kepha bengivele ngibonile. Empeleni, ngaphambi kokubeka umbono wami ngafunda incwadi yokuqala ukuze ngicacelwe yilokho uBarry azama ukukusho futhi kwakuyiqiniso impela ukuthi ugxeka ingemuva - hhayi ifomu- ngalezo zengezo eziyindida, futhi linembe impela impela.
    Kungumongo ofanayo "wobisi olubi" engiwusebenzisa ukubhekisa kulokho "Mnu" UChristopher Barry uveze ukuthi ufuna ngokungazi.

    Ngiyakuqonda, njengawe Diazepan, ukuthi uBarry uthini phakathi kwemigqa futhi ngivumelana ngokuphelele nokugxeka kwakho.

  34.   engaziwa kusho

    Ngicabanga ukuthi kufanele uzibeke kumongo, le ncwadi yathunyelwa kubani? yebo, kusuka kule Berry kuye ku-LKML.ORG, okungukuthi, kungenzeka ukuthi ungumsebenzisi wohlelo othuthukile okhuluma nabanye onjiniyela abaphambili ... hhayi abasebenzisi abajwayelekile.
    I-GNU / Linux ifikile lapho kubonga khona kubahleli bohlelo, kusengabahleli bohlelo abathuthukisa futhi bathuthukise konke lokhu.
    Sibhekene nohlelo lokusebenza nezinhlelo ezenziwe ngabantu hhayi izinkampani, enkampanini umphathi uthi lokhu kwenziwa ngaleyo ndlela ngoba ngithi futhi ngalokho siyabakhokhela, isitopu, ngaleyo ndlela umsebenzisi akasoze ahlehla kumdali wohlelo noma uhlelo.
    Manje bona ukuthi kwenzekani ku-GNU / Linux, abasebenzisi ngaphandle kokwazi okuningi bangena ezingxoxweni nabahleli bohlelo….
    Angifuni ukuphakamisa impikiswano ngalokhu kuphawula, nami angisiye umqambi wohlelo, ukusho nje ukuthi kufanele uzibeke kumongo wokuthi kwenzeke kanjani.

  35.   eliotime3000 kusho

    Ukucaphuna ukukhishwa okukhulunywa ngakho:

    Ngokwengxenye kuyinkolelo yokuthi Umphakathi weLinux kumele ulwe ne-
    i-hegemony yeWindows ne-Mac - sengathi ukuba khona kweLinux kuncike
    ukunqotshwa kwezinye izindlela. Labo abacabanga ukuthi iLinux kufanele babhekelele
    iziphukuphuku nezidilidili kufanele babuyele kuma-Mac abo naku-Windoze boxen, futhi
    yeka ukuzama 'ukulungisa' i-Linux. Kwakungeyona i-fucking ephukile!

    Ngokumaka abasebenzisi beWindows njenge iziphukuphuku nezilibazisayo kungaphezu kokwanele ukubheka uBarry a isilima ne HOYGAN (Baningi abakwaziyo ukusizakala nge-Adobe suite, izinhlelo ze-Autodesk {ezinjengama-video game studios, afaka iValve neBandai Namco}, abalingisi abasebenzisa iSolidWorks namaphrinta abo e-3D kanye nabanye ochwepheshe).

    Ngaphandle kokungabaza, lesi esinye sezizathu zokuthi ungacabangi umbono walo fanboy wokuthi angangcono uma esebenza noTheo de Raadt ekwakhiweni kweLibreSSL ne-OpenBSD.

  36.   hamba kusho

    Into e-systemd isiphenduke impi yama-egos, onkulunkulu abakhulu abakholwayo. Umqondo we-systemd wawungemubi ekuqaleni kepha kubonakala kimi kuyinto enkulu kakhulu futhi eyinkimbinkimbi yohlelo olufana ne-Unix, lusasebenza uhhafu (izinkinga zokulungisa iphutha le-kernel ngokwesibonelo). Yize uma lowo owenza inhlekelele ye-pulseaudio ekugalikhi (ngezikhathi ezithile izinto ezingajwayelekile zenzeka kimi naye), akudingeki ukuthi kushiwo okuningi. Ngenkathi ngiqala nge-linux upstart yayingekho ngisho, yayiyi-init futhi iyasebenza.

  37.   UTina Toledo kusho

    Ongaziwa:
    Umongo walokhu incwadi evulekile ebhekiswe kuwo wonke umphakathi:
    Usuku Lwesibili, 12 Aug 2014 15:38:12 -0400
    Kusuka kuChristopher Barry
    Isihloko se-OT: Vula incwadi ku-Linux World

    "Manje bona ukuthi kwenzekani ku-GNU / Linux, abasebenzisi ngaphandle kokwazi okuningi bangena ezingxoxweni nabahleli bohlelo…." kulingana "Labo abacabanga ukuthi iLinux kufanele ibhekele izidididi kanye nama-droolers kufanele babuyele kuma-Mac abo naku-Windoze boxen, bayeke ukuzama 'ukulungisa' iLinux."

    Usikisela ukuthi ngenzeni lapho Ngingaziwa? Ngibuyela kanjani kwi-Mac yami noma kwiWindows yami? Kubonakala kimi ukuthi ingxenye yomphakathi we-GNU / Linux yakhiwe ngabantu abasebenzisa i-GNU / Linux ngoba isinikeza uhlelo lokusebenza esiluthandayo. Lelo qembu, engikulo, asibona abahleli futhi, njengoba kunjalo, asizitholi iziphakamiso zikaStallman. Kukhona abasebenzisi, njengami, abangakhathali futhi asinantshisekelo yokwazi ukuthi ngabe i-systemd yephula inkululeko - ngicabanga ukuthi uBarry ubhekisa kulabo abamenyezelwa nguRichard Stallman, yize engasho kanjalo - ngoba sibona ku-GNU / Linux a ithuluzi elinekusasa ... yize indlela izinto ezihamba ngayo kubonakala kimi ikusasa lizoba ngaphandle kwe-GNU.

    1.    engaziwa kusho

      @Tina - Le ncwadi yathunyelwa ohlwini lwamakheli oluyisisekelo, kuyaqondakala ngesihloko sayo ukuthi ibhekiswe kubo bonke abathuthukisi abaphambili, noma okungenani yilokho engikuqondayo.
      ISystemd iyagxekwa ngoba iqale njengohlelo lokufaka esikhundleni se-init futhi kuvela ukuthi manje seyisebenzisa inethiwekhi ne-dns. Noma usho kanjani ukuthi awunantshisekelo yokwazi ukuthi isebenza kanjani, uma izokuthinta ukuthi uqhubeke njengoba kuhamba ... lokhu ngokuqinisekile kuzoya kurimothi yangaphandle futhi kuvunyelwe abasebenzisi abangalazi ikhukhamba futhi bacabange sengathi benze njalo.
      Ezokuphepha ziyisisekelo se-GNU / Linux, ukuphepha imininingwane engatholakali noma ukusetshenziswa kukho, ngaphandle kokuqaphela komsebenzisi (ngesitayela esihle kakhulu windows kanye nesitayela se-mac).
      Yini umuntu owazi okuthile ngokuphepha angacabanga ngokubheka isifundo asithathayo? ijubane liyibhaxa lokuhlanekezela ukuphepha.
      Ngikhathele ukukusho, i-logind, i-consolekit, i-policykit, i-selinux, i-multiseat futhi manje ese-systemd amaTrojans okuphepha okungokwemvelo i-GNU / Linux ehlala inakho, kusuka ezinkampanini zangaphandle nakwamanye amazwe akhokha kahle kakhulu abaholi bamaphrojekthi athile abalulekile shintsha ukuphepha kwe-GNU / Linux kube yinto ekwazi ukukhohliseka… .akekho noyedwa okusho kanjalo, ngiyalokotha ukukusho ukubona ukuthi bakuthola ngasikhathi sinye yini.
      Eminye imizamo kuleyo ndlela iku-kde, kdelibs nepomuk strigi ebizwa nge-semantic desktop.
      Angifuni ukuthi uhlelo lwami lokusebenza oluthembekile kuphela lonakaliswe, kepha kuvela ukuthi i-systemd isivele ine-PID 1… futhi iphazamise izingodo zenethiwekhi nezesistimu.
      Ungaphikisana isikhathi eside ngisho nangezinsuku, kepha bheka izimpendulo zale imeyili futhi uzobona ukuthi akekho noyedwa owafika wathi wayengenasizathu sokusho lokho akusho.

  38.   I-Yukiteru kusho

    @Tina okuningi okuyiLinux namuhla, kungenxa yokuthi imibono kaStallman nabanye abaningi ilandelwe eduze, abamele inhlonipho yesoftware nenkululeko yomsebenzisi yokuzikhethela abakufunayo, ngokwezidingo zabo, futhi lokho kube icala hhayi ezingeni lomsebenzisi kuphela kodwa nasezingeni lesikhungo, lesayensi kanye nebhizinisi. Ukunikela nokulahlekelwa yile nkululeko akusho nje kuphela ukuthi ushiywe ungenawo amandla okukhetha, kodwa futhi kuzoguqula iLinux ibe yinto ebikade ilwelwa kusukela ekuqaleni. Ukuthi amaphrojekthi afana ne-KDE, i-GNOME ancike ku-systemd, azokwenza izinto zibe nzima kakhulu kulo mongo, futhi ngenxa yesimo esikhona manje kungenzeka ukuthi lokho ngeke kube khona nhlobo, ukunweba ukuncika kohlelo. Ukwenza nje isibonelo, i-FreeBSD ifaka i-KDE ngokuzenzakalela, kepha uma i-KDE incike kusistimu ukuyenza isebenze kuleso simiso kuzoba yinkinga ngoba ikhodi kuzofanele ifakwe isichibi ukuyenza isebenze, ngisho noMartin Gräßlin, ngiyakuqinisekisa ukuthi izogcina i-init yakudala ye-KDE yezinhlelo ezisebenzisa i-X11 kuphela, ngakho-ke lokhu ngeke kwenzeke okungenani okwamanje.

  39.   UTina Toledo kusho

    Futhi okuningi okuyiLinux namuhla - ngaphandle kwe-GNU- kufinyelelwe ngokubonga kulabo abangayilandelanga imfundiso eqinile kaStallman: iLinux OS esetshenziswa kakhulu emhlabeni yi-Android ne-GNU ayinalutho, ama-distros athandwa kakhulu futhi asondele kakhulu umsebenzisi ojwayelekile njengo-Ubuntu kanye nokutholakala kwakhe kwe-Linux Mint, Elementary futhi muva nje i-Deepin ngokuzivumelanisa nezidingo zethu, kuvela ukuthi ekugcineni abasaseyi-GNU kakhulu.

    Bengihlale ngisho lapha, nakwezinye izindawo, ukuthi ngibahlonipha kakhulu labo abakholelwa futhi abenza ifilosofi kaStallman, yize ngingakutholi kuwusizo - okungenani kimi - kodwa-ke, kufanele futhi kwaziwe ukuthi kune-GNU eningi / Abasebenzisi beLinux esisebenzisa ama-distros abo ngezizathu ngaphandle kwezinkululeko ezikhuthazwa nguDon Richad nokuthi okubaluleke kakhulu ukwazi "amathumbu" wezinhlelo zokusebenza ngoba asibona ochwepheshe noma onjiniyela bezinhlelo. Lelo qembu - elikhulu noma elincane yilona elincane - lifanelwe ukuhlonishwa, iqiniso lokuthi asazi ukuthi ukwenza izinhlelo akusenzi sihlakaniphe ngokwengeziwe futhi singabi nentshisekelo enkulu yokuzithuthukisa njengabantu. Siyakwazi esikudingayo ohlelweni olusebenzayo - kungaba yi-GNU / Linux, iWindows noma iMacOS - futhi sinelungelo emhlabeni ukwethula imibono yethu. Kwenzekani uma izidingo zami - ezingaba futhi nezidingo zabanye abaningi - zingqubuzana nenkululeko kaStalin? Iqiniso ukuthi angivumelani kakhulu nokuthi uma sonke singafudumali, ake siphonse isitofu emfuleni.

    1.    yezimg kusho

      Masivume ukuthi labo basebenzisi obachazayo abanendaba ne-systemd, upstart, openrc, njll njll 😛

      1.    UTina Toledo kusho

        Kunjalo @ x11tete11x. Lapho ngivula i-PC yami, ngokungafani noNeo, angiwaboni amakhodi weMatrix kusiqaphi sami, ingasaphathwa eyokwazi ukuwahumusha. Anginandaba noma ngabe i-OS engiyisebenzisayo ineSystemD noma enye enye into ngoba ngezinjongo ezisebenzayo engikufunayo ukuthi i-OS iyasebenza ... nokuthi isebenza kahle. Leyo SystemD izogcina isikhona yonke indawo futhi ngabe lokho kusho ukulahlekelwa yinkululeko? Jeez, umbhedo lowo!

        Leyo SystemD iyinkimbinkimbi, ukuthi inezinambuzane, nokuthi abathuthukisi bayo bayavilapha kangangokuba benza izinto ngamahhafu? URaul ukusho ngokusobala kangangoba akudingekile ukuthi umemeze; Esikhundleni sokukhononda, ake labo abaziyo ngaso, uma benesikhathi, basize ukusihlanganisa bese besilungisa. Yebo, akusikho ukuthi isoftware yamahhala imayelana nani?

      2.    eliotime3000 kusho

        @Tub:

        Ukuphinda okweshumi nambili engikushilo kumazwana adlule: funda kuTheo de Raadt, ngoba ube nesibindi sokufaka imfoloko ku-OpenSSL ngenkathi wonke umuntu ekhononda nje.

        Angisho ukuthi kuwumqondo omubi ukusebenzisa iSystemD. Eqinisweni, lapho ngisebenzisa i-Chromium / Chrome / Opera Blink Developer ku-Linux, imvamisa kuthatha iSysVinit ku-Debian unomphela ukuvala uhlelo ngokuphelele, okuvamise ukwenzeka nge-SystemD. Futhi, iSystemD, kubonakala sengathi izinsuku zayo zingaba nezinombolo uma ifolokiwe (futhi ngaphezulu kwakho konke, ngokuthuthuka nokufana ne-OpenRC, SysVinit nokunye okunjalo ama-sysadmin amaningi afisa ukuba nakho).

      3.    UTina Toledo kusho

        Sithandwa sami @ eliotime3000… uqinisile impela emhlabeni. Yize ngingasiboni isizathu sokuthi kungani kuzodingeka ukuthi imfoloko. Wow, ngiyaqonda ukuthi kungani, kepha angisiboni isizathu salokho.

      4.    I-Yukiteru kusho

        @ eliotime3000 okushoyo ngokukufaka imfoloko ngiyibona iyinkimbinkimbi okungenani kwi-BSD, kwiLinux kungenye into, ngoba ingenza uhlelo olukwaziyo ukwenza izinhlelo ezincike ohlelweni zihambisane ne-init efana ne-OpenRC, ngokusebenzisa ungqimba maphakathi phakathi kwezinhlelo ezincike ohlelweni nohlelo uqobo. Okuthile okufana nokuthi bekuhlelwa nge-OpenRC-settingsd, noma ngabe le phrojekthi ibonakala imisiwe kusukela ngo-2013. Omunye umbuzo uthi: Uma wenza into efana naleyo, ingabe uLennart uzokwenza into efanayo naleyo ayenzayo manje nge-eudev ehlasela lo msebenzi ngokuthwala i-udev / kdbus futhi ihlelelwe ukuhlanganiswa okuqinile kwe-kernel?

        I- @ Tina, oyivula kwikhompyutha yakho futhi ongayiqondi ikhodi ye-matrix evela ngesikhathi sokuqalisa, ikwenza ube ngumsebenzisi ophakathi weLinux, okungabaningi kakhulu * babasebenzisi * balesi simiso, labo abavela emazweni IWindows ne-OS X, befuna enye indlela, ukuhlola noma ukuzama, futhi babone okuthile kuLinux okuvele kwawaxhuma, noma ngabe yisiphi leso sizathu, futhi kuyahlonishwa. Okuxoxwa ngakho futhi kungumthombo oyinhloko wokungqubuzana phakathi kwepro kanye ne-systemd okungenani ekuqondeni kwami, iqiniso lokuthi le init iba uhlobo lwesikhungo samandla adonsela phansi okungekho lutho olungaphunyuka kulo, lenze izinto i-init evamile okungafanele do, futhi ube ukuthembela kanzima kukho konke okwenziwa yiLinux (amademoni, isoftware yokuphatha, i-DE). Ukuthi ekugcineni kusho into eyodwa: Izosenza sincike esicelweni esingaba nezinkinga zokuqamba nokuphepha (manje noma ngokuzayo), ngaphandle kwalokho ayemukeli lutho ngaphandle kwezakhiwo zayo (uLennart akasebenzisani kakhulu, ukubhuqa). Kunezizathu eziningi zokukugwema lokho, futhi akuthathi imemori eningi ukuyithola, icala le-OpenSSL lisanda kwenzeka, futhi liyisibonelo esicacile sokuthi kuya ngesoftware uqobo kuwumqondo omubi (i-OpenSSL yisoftware enkulu kunazo zonke i-cryptography esetshenziswe cishe kuwo wonke ama-distros) futhi isinikeza isibonelo esicacile salokho ukuthembela ngamehlo esoftware okungaletha emphakathini nakulabo abasebenzisa i-OS. Futhi kunezizathu eziningi, kepha ngiyishiya lapha ngokungazandisi.

        Sanibonani

  40.   engaziwa kusho

    Manje bheka ukuthi ungene kuphi, yebo, ngamatheminali wangempela we-VT, kubonakala sengathi ufuna ukuwabeka esikhundleni sawo .. ..umuntu kufanele ayeke lo mphambili noma izinto zizokonakala.
    IMFUZO uyaphuthuma ngicela!

    Izinqwaba zeSystemd 216 Ezingxenyeni eziningi, Izinhloso ze-New User-Space VT
    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc2Nzk

    1.    I-Yukiteru kusho

      @ engaziwa futhi akugcini lapho manje usunayo ne-DNS Cache. Ngabe i-init yenzani ngesevisi ye-DNS eyakhelwe ngaphakathi? Anginawo nomqondo omncane empeleni, kepha * isilo * sizoba nokuxhaswa kwe-DNSSEC ne-mDNS. Ngiyethemba nje ukuthi ayitholi * iplastiki * nenye i-daemon efana nokubopha, ukubopha noma i-pdnsd.

      Into ye-systemd-terminal iphathelene ne-KMSCon (KMS Console), umzamo wokukhipha ama-VT esikhaleni se-kernel futhi ungene esikhaleni somsebenzisi, kepha futhi nokulungisa ezinye izinto eziningi, ikakhulukazi nge-Mesa, KMS, DRM, ku ngaphezu kokwenza lula ukukhula okuncane kwe-kernel. Umzamo muhle, kepha ukusetshenziswa kuzoba nenkinga ngemuva kwesikhashana ngoba ukuncika kwe-KMSCon yile: itafula (libdrm, libgbm, libEGL, libGLESv2), udev (systemd), xproto (ukuncika kwesikhathi sokusebenza), libxkbcommon, freetype2 kanye ne-glib (ukwesekwa kwe-unicode ), ngamafuphi, enye futhi i-lunge ye-init ayihambelani ne-systemd.

      1.    Isibindi kusho

        lokhu kungenxa yokuthi i-systemd kudala yamisa ukuba yi-init kuphela. i-init ingenye yezinsizakalo ezilethayo. olunye uchungechunge lwamademoni wesibili (njenge-logind, nakho konke okuphela ngo-d) okungama-binaries ahlukile futhi agxile emsebenzini owodwa. futhi empeleni ungasebenzisa i-systemd ngaphandle kwamaningi ala mademoni wesibili noma uwakhubaze. okwenzekayo ukuthi lawa ma-daemon, ezimweni eziningi, ahambisana kuphela ne-systemd futhi awakwazi ukusetshenziswa ngaphandle kwalokhu (i-logind case kusukela ku-version 205) lokhu kungenxa yokuthi zenzelwe ukusebenza ngayo kuphela. lokhu kuletha okuhle nokubi.

        izinzuzo

        -systemd imodular kakhulu, ungayisebenzisa kuphela ngezinsizakalo ozidingayo (empeleni yingakho i-systemd isetshenziswa kakhulu ezinhlelweni ezishumekiwe)
        - yakhelwe ukusebenza kuphela komunye nomunye. inikeza ithuba lokuhlanganiswa okungcono ohlelweni. ukwenza ama-systemd script asebenze cishe wonke umuntu (lena bekungezinye zezinkinga ezinkulu ze-sysvinit, imibhalo evela kweyodwa ibingenakuthunyelwa kwamanye ama-distros, kube lula ukuyakha eyodwa isuka ku-0 (eshiwo ngonjiniyela abaningi be-debian)

        -standardization: lokhu kufanele kuchazwe.

        - Ngokunciphisa izinketho zakho, ungagcina isizinda esincane necocekile sekhodi, ngaleyo ndlela uthuthukise ukuphepha (ngoba khumbula ukuthi insiza ngayinye ehleliwe iyi-daemon ehlukile kunambambili ohlukile) izinkinga eziningi ezibucayi kakhulu zokuphepha zibangelwa yikhodi endala esese lapho ngenxa yokuhambelana okubuyela emuva noma ngoba kufanele ubekezelele izinketho eziningi kakhulu.

        ukungalungi

        -Ukuntuleka kokuphatheka: njengoba yakhelwe ukusebenza kuphela ngezingcezu ezithile zesoftware futhi akukho okunye, uma izidingo zingafinyelelwanga, izinto azisebenzi noma zidinga umsebenzi omningi owengeziwe ukuze zisebenze.

        ekugcineni, ukuthembela okubucayi kwazo zonke izinhlelo akukubi. sincike ku-X11 iminyaka engama-20 ku-linux kuma-interface wokuqhafaza nama-DE. Lokhu kusilethele izinkinga zokuphepha zomhlaba wonke (izinkinga ze-x11 ku-debian ziyefana naku-arch ngokwesibonelo) kepha isixazululo akukhona ukudala amaseva wemidwebo ahlukahlukene angama-20, eyodwa ekusatshalalisweni ngakunye, okungenza ukuthuthukiswa kwe-linux kube yiphupho elibi kakhulu. Kubonakala kimi ukuthi izinzuzo "zokuphoqelela ukuhleleka endlini" zingcono. umhlaba we-linux ubulokhu ucela iminyaka ukuqeda ukuhlukaniswa futhi i-systemd iyisiqephu esiseduze kakhulu sesoftware esilethe lesi sifiso esinesikhathi eside

  41.   UCarlosMC kusho

    Sawubona,

    Uma ngabe basebenzise i-systemd ngempela angiboni ukuthi kungani izikhalazo eziningi kangaka, bengisebenzisa iGentoo iminyaka enginike inkululeko yokukhetha izinto eziningi futhi ngizivumelanise nezidingo zami.

    Ngikhumbula ngithuthele iGentoo yami nge-OpenRC futhi ukuthuthuka kwejubane le-boot kwakumangalisa. Ngemuva kwalokho kwavela iSystemD kwathi ngemuva kokulinda isikhashana ukuthi izinzile esihlahleni se-portage nginqume ukufuduka ngikuhlole. Ngivele ngiyigcine ngoba inginika engikudingayo kwi-laptop yami, isistimu ebhuqa ngokushesha, yebo, esheshayo kune-OpenRC, ngaphandle kokwenza ushintsho lwehardware!

    Awungeke nje ube yi-geek futhi ufune konke okwenziwe ngokwezifiso, sisebenzisa amakhompyutha ngoba siyawadinga futhi ngaso sonke isikhathi adinga ukuqala ngokushesha, kalula futhi afushanise indaba.

    Yebo, lokhu kuyi-linux, kuyohlale kunemibono ehlukile nezinye izindlela zazo zonke izinto ozithandayo.

    Ngaphandle kokugxeka nje uthando lokuba yi-geek nokwenza konke kulungiswe ku-OS yethu, kungcono ukuchaza izixazululo nezinye izindlela ... siza abanye abazizwa sengathi okusha akubamukeli ama-howo nabanye abanikela ngaphezu kwanoma yini enye ku umhlaba weLinux!

    Ukubingelela!

    1.    engaziwa kusho

      @Ukhozi_fm
      ... .. futhi ngaso sonke isikhathi badinga ukuqala ngokushesha, ngokulula nangokufushane.

      Bheka, anginalutho oluphathekayo futhi isikhathi sami sokuphumula sansuku zonke imvamisa singamahora ayi-14, nge-openrc kuthatha cishe imizuzwana engama-20 ukufika ku-slim graphical login, ngo-sistemd ingakwenza ngemizuzwana engu-12 noma eyi-14, esikhuluma ngayo Imizuzwana engu-8 cishe emahoreni ayi-14. Angidingi isivinini sebhuthi, ngidinga ukuphepha nezinsizakalo ezisingathwa ngesandla njengokulula njalonjalo.
      Ukube i-systemd bekuzofakwa imfoloko, ngeshwa izinto eziningi bekuzodingeka zilahlwe ngokuphelele, njengokusebenzisa amafomethi kanambambili acindezelwe ... kuyihlazo ukubona ikhodi engenamsebenzi.

  42.   UDraco Metallium kusho

    Lapho ngifunda kakhulu ngeSystemD ngiya ngesaba kakhulu. Uma nje sengivele ngenze 'i-sudo apt-get ukufaka i-sysvinit sysvinit-core sysvinit-utils'.

  43.   dmy kusho

    Umlayezo unzima, kepha isizinda siyiqiniso ngokuphelele, iningi labahleli bohlelo abasiza ukwenza uhlelo lwe-kernel ngabahleli abakhokhelwa izinkampani ezingenza noma yini ukuthola imali ethe xaxa, futhi enye yezinkampani ezinolaka kakhulu kulokhu iRed Hat lokho abahleli bayo ababekwe lapho ngenhloso yokuvikela kuphela intshisekelo yabo yezohwebo, ukudala intuthuko yezobuchwepheshe eyenza ukusetshenziswa kwesoftware yamahhala kungahambelani kwezinye izinhlelo ze-Unix-Like ezinjengezinhlelo ze-BSD nezinye.

    Inkinga ukuthi ukudala lokhu kusetshenziswa okungahambelani bakha ubuchwepheshe obufana no-systemd obuyinto ehlasela ngokuphelele nobuyingozi kuzintshisekelo zomphakathi, futhi ngokwandiswa nokusabalala kwabo kuzokwenza ukuthi uhlelo luphele lungabi yi-Unix-Like, bese luyeka ukwenza into eyodwa nje futhi uyenze kahle, ukwenza izinto eziningi futhi uzenze ngokungafanele, okuzoholela kumthombo oqhubekayo wamaphutha nokuncika okungenangqondo ngaphandle kwesinye isizathu ngaphandle kokugwema ukwanda kwezixazululo ngezinye izinkampani, ngamafuphi, elinye icala njengaleyo ye-pulseaudio.

    Futhi ngaphezu kwalokho, manje nge-systemd ngemuva kokufaka izibuyekezo kuzodingeka ukuqala kabusha uhlelo, oluncane ngokuhlobene nefilosofi ye-Unix, futhi ngokwenza konke kuncike kusistimu bavimbela i-distro ngayinye ekusebenziseni ezinye izixazululo ezinjenge-openRC, Init , njll.

    Asethembe ukuthi uLinus Torvald usenokuthile angakusho mayelana ne-systemd, ucezu lwesoftware okusobala ukuthi aluhambisani nefilosofi ye-Unix noma nesoftware yamahhala.

    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY1MzA

    futhi uma lokhu kuphumelela, kuzofanele siqale ukusebenzisa izinhlelo ze-BSD ngokwengeziwe.

    1.    Isibindi kusho

      Kuzoba ukuthi i-linus ayinandaba nefilosofi ye-unix engeyona inkolo. i-linus isivele yakusho. I-Linux ayikho ngenkululeko noma ifilosofi eshibhile, imayelana nokunikeza izixazululo ezisebenzayo zezinkinga zangempela. i-systemd ixazulula ngempumelelo izinkinga eziningi zamanje ezingcono kunezinye izindlela zamanje.

      Ekugcineni. Ngizosho ukuthi leyo systemd akuyona i-unix-like ingamanga. i-systemd akuyona into kanambambili enkulu eyenza konke yodwa. Kunezindlela ezi-2 ezihleliwe, eyokuqala iyinambambili ye-init, lokhu kuncane impela. empeleni incane kune-upsart ne-sysvinit. okwesibili iphrojekthi injalo futhi wonke amaphrojekthi angaphansi kwesambulela esifanayo. ngakunye kwalokhu kungumbinambambili ohlukile (kunjalo, insizakalo ngayinye ehleliwe iyinambambili ehlukile kokunye, inikezelwe ekuphatheni kuphela futhi isevisi ekhulunyiwe kuphela hhayi enye. Lokhu kuzwakala kimi njengokuthi "ukwenza into eyodwa futhi uyenze kahle") into okuhlupha abaningi ukuthi lawa ma-binaries ngamanye amademoni angasetshenziswa kuphela (amanye, ngoba hhayi wonke) ngaphandle kokuhlelwa njenge-PID 1. ekugcineni. Leyominye imiklamo i-systemd "eyiqedile" yingoba abasunguli bayo uqobo banqume ukujoyina ngokuzithandela. Ngingabazi ukuthi ulennart ufake isibhamu emakhanda wonjiniyela we-syslog noma i-udev. ngokwabo banquma ukujoyina.

  44.   engaziwa kusho

    Ukusho ngamagama ngqo ... .amen.
    Akunasidingo sokukhathazeka, noma ngubani angakha i-distro esebenzisa i-openrc, akekho ozokhubeka ... futhi kulabo abafuna okwabo, sebenayo i-gentoo / funtoo, ngicabanga ukuthi i-sabayon ne-slackware nazo ziyangena.

  45.   engaziwa kusho

    @ukhozi_fm
    ukungalungi
    -Ukuntuleka kokuphatheka: ukuklanyelwa ukusebenza kuphela ngezingcezu ezithile zesoftware futhi akukho okunye, uma izidingo zingafinyelelwanga, izinto azisebenzi noma zidinga umsebenzi omningi owengeziwe ukuze zisebenze.

    Ukwehluleka okuphelele, kungaba nazo zonke izinzuzo ozifunayo, kepha uma ekugcineni kuhambisana nakho kuphela, kuphoqa wonke umuntu ukuthi akusebenzise noma kufanele aqale ekuqaleni ngokungafuni ukukusebenzisa ... uma lokhu kungenjalo ukubekwa, kuyini?
    Isikripthi singafundwa nganoma iliphi iso lomuntu futhi sihunyushwe nge-bash ... impela kuhamba kancane ukwenza, i-kanambambili ayinakufundwa ngeso lomuntu, kufanele ufunde ikhodi yomthombo bese uyihlanganisa ngokwakho ukuze uqiniseke. .. okusho ukuthi, ngaphambi kokuthi wazi ukuthi ungafunda kanjani imibhalo ku-bashy manje kufanele wazi ukuthi ungahlela kanjani ngolimi lwe-C ... noma ubeke umphefumulo wakho kuLennart.
    Mayelana nokuthi uLennart usebenzisa isibhamu, angicabangi kanjalo, uyinhloko yesibalo seRedHat ukuqala kwakhe futhi uma esebenzisa okuthile, noma kunjalo kufanele kube yizinqwaba ezimbalwa zama-greenbacks ... azibulali muntu, kepha bayaqiniseka lapho kwenziwa izinqumo.

  46.   inhlukano kusho

    Angiyena umqambi, ngivele ngangena esikhungweni, kepha ngiyakuqonda okushoyo, ikhodi evulekile nenkululeko yokufunda kuyo, futhi ukuyiguqula kuyingxenye yaleyo filosofi "yeNkululeko" okusakazwa yi-gnu / linux futhi, ngeshwa; Uhlaka, namuhla yisilonda esikhulu enhliziyweni yeGNU / LINUX. Ngicabanga ukuthi, kulabo abanokuqeqeshwa kwezemfundo, akufanele kube nendaba enkulu, ngoba njalo, bazokwazi ukwenza ngaphandle kwama-distros athatha i-systemd futhi; yakha uhlelo lwakho lwe-gnu / linux, okusho ukuthi, yenza uhlelo lwakho lwe-gnu / linux kusuka ekuqaleni, ngaphandle kokuya ku-systemd.

    I-Archlinux, use systemd bese ukholwa ukuthi ngiyayisebenzisa futhi isebenza kahle impela, kepha mathupha ngizozama ukuyishiya ukuze ifike ku-gentoo futhi ukusuka lapho iye kwi-linux kusuka ekuqaleni.

  47.   engaziwa kusho

    Okungenani baqale ngokuduba okuhle, okuzobe kamuva kube yinkosi yeFork for systemd.

    Izingcingo Ezintsha Zeqembu Zesistimu Yokuduba
    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc3OTM

    Kokuphawula othile udlulise izixhumanisi ezimbili lapho bachaza khona ngokuningiliziwe ama-horror wedizayini (akwaziwa ukuthi inhloso) ye-systemd.

    http://ewontfix.com/14/
    http://ewontfix.com/15/

  48.   UJristz kusho

    Futhi siphi isihogo uRichard Stallman nemibono yakhe ngalezi zinto?
    I-log kanambambili, konke kulawulwa yi-systemd, kungalalelwa umphakathi ...

    Angimele noma ngimelene nesistimu kepha NGIMANGALISWE ukuthi uRichard Stalman akashongo lutho.

  49.   UNico Fuenzalida kusho

    Brrrp!

    Bengicabanga ukuthi ngizofunda iposi lobuchwepheshe ngeSpanishi.

    Phendula ngokucaphuna

  50.   YEKA ISIKHATHI kusho

    I-Systemd ngumqondo omuhle kakhulu owenziwe ngokungenaphutha. I-Version 217, esivele iku-Arch futhi eminyakeni embalwa ku-Debian - LOL! - iqukethe izici zokuphepha ezingasebenza ku-PID1 kuphela, ngokwesibonelo, ukwahlukaniswa okuphelele kwezinsizakalo nezinqubo, into uSELinux nanoma iyiphi enye i-MAC engake iphuphe ukuyenza ngokuqalisa ngaphandle kwe-systemd.

    Ngokwami ​​angazi noma ngubani osebenzisa i-systemd futhi ofuna ukubuyela ohlelweni oludala lokuqalisa nokulungiswa kohlelo; Eqinisweni, wonke ama-archero engihlangana nawo futhi engiphawula kuye ngale ndaba, ngoba sonke besikade singanaki nge /etc/rc.conf, iyavuma ukuthi i-systemd imane nje ayinasici kusukela endaweni yokubuka yokuphathwa kohlelo nokuthi akunandaba ukuthi kanjani kakhulu ngasikhathi sinye kungenzeka ukuthi ubuyithanda inqubo yakudala yokumiswa kwensizakalo namuhla. NGEKE UBUHLUNGU ubuyele kulokho ngemuva kokusebenzisa i-systemd.

    Bantu, yekani ukwephula amabhola enu, sekuvele kuliqiniso, selikhona futhi uma ungathandi, sebenzisa ezinye izinto ezinjengeDevuan (hahahahahahahahaha) noma iGentoo, noma iSlack noma neManajaro manje esekela i-OpenRC.
    Futhi-ke, ngenkathi ukhotha amanxeba abo usebenzisa noma yini ephikisana nesistimu, bheka i- openSUSE, iFedora noma iArch bese ubona ukuthi ulahlekelwe ngokungenathemba kanjani ngokuphila iqiniso elingelona iqiniso, konke ukulunywa okulula ukwenqaba okubonakala kuyikho abazi ahlulele ngokusho kweminye imibono esikhundleni sokwenza eyabo.

    Isifebe, uma ngabe ama-devs ayisisekelo weFreeBSD asevele ekhuluma ngokwakha uhlelo olufana nesistimu ukuhlangabezana nezidingo ezintsha ezibonakala ngokushesha okukhulu, phakathi kwazo ukubonwa okuhle kakhulu, ubuningi bamadivayisi axhunyiwe, ukuphatheka kumagajethi weselula, ukuphepha nokwenza lula nokuphathwa okwenziwe kahle phakathi kwabanye ...

    Ngaphambi kokuthi uphendule umbhedo ozelwe yimizwa ye-visceral, funda lo mbhalo omfushane wenkulumo kaLennart yakamuva mayelana nezici ezintsha zokuphepha okuxoxwe ngazo ngenhla:

    Zonke izici zingena ngaphakathi ngamayunithi wensiza futhi kuhloswe ngazo ukuhlukanisa noma ukufaka endaweni eyodwa ukufinyelela kwemithombo yohlelo amademoni anayo futhi asebenzisana ngezikhala zamagama we-kernel:
    - I-PrivateTmp: nikeza i-daemon ethile / tmp kanye / var / tmp
    - Ama-PrivateDevices: dala i-daemon ethile / i-daemon ngayo yonke into edingekayo: null, random, urandom, njll., Kuphela okudingekayo ukuze isebenze kahle. Ngale ndlela uvimbela i-daemon ukuthi ingafinyeleli kudiski noma kunoma iyiphi idivayisi exhunyiwe (ibhulokhi noma umlingiswa). KUMANGALISA.
    - I-PrivateNetwork: dala isikhombimsebenzisi esihlukaniswe ngokuphelele nento yangempela (ukuze ungakwazi ukusifinyelela kusuka kumsingathi okhomba ku-127.0.0.1). Into enhle kakhulu ngalokhu ukuthi ungabelana nge-namespace efanayo phakathi kwamademoni ahlukene ngakho-ke, ngokwesibonelo, ungaba neMariaDB exhunywe kuphela kunethiwekhi ye-backend eyisebenzisayo futhi laba bobabili bangene kwi-Nginx okungukuthi ukufinyelela kusixhumi esibonakalayo senethiwekhi.
    - I-PrivateSystem: isinyathelo esisodwa ngokuqhubekayo, uma uyisebenzisa, ivumela i-daemon ukufinyelela kuphela / njll kanye / / usr (/ usr kwimodi ye-R / O); uma usetha njengokugcwele, ungafinyelela / njll kuphela kumodi ye-R / O
    - I-PrivateHome: imbondela indawo engenalutho / ikhaya kusikhala samagama sedayemon ukuze ingakwazi ukufinyelela kulwazi lwakho
    - ReadOnlyDirectories: njengoba igama layo likhombisa ukuthi kwenza lezo zinkomba zifunde kuphela
    - Imikhombandlela Engafinyeleleki: njengoba kuyigama 🙂
    - MountFlags = isigqila: lapho kusebenze noma yikuphi okukhethwa kukho kwangaphambilini kwedayemon enikeziwe, izimpikiswano ezihlanganayo zizifihlwa ngokuzenzakalela njengezigqila, okungukuthi, itafula elijwayelekile lokuphakama kohlelo alishintshiwe, kepha amapharamitha athinta kuphela ukukhweza okwenziwa yi-daemon usathane (moi groso!).
    Ungasebenzisa futhi le nketho ukuzimela wedwa.
    - I-CapabilityBoundingSet: iyalela inqubo ukuze yonke imicu eyakhiwe incike kuyo isebenzise kuphela amakhono achazwe ngumlawuli (http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/capabilities.7.html) futhi ngaleyo ndlela uvikele ukukhubazeka kokukhuphuka kwemvume - sexy, huh!? ^ _ ^
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw3eycS9_SPaQnFHZjU5TURxdmc&authuser=0

    Umthuthukisi oyisisekelo weFreeBSD owenza ukuqagela eminyakeni eyishumi ezayo yohlelo lokusebenza futhi ekhuluma ngesidingo sokusebenzisa isixazululo esifana nesistimu:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mri66Uz6-8Y

    1.    msx kusho

      * aphonse

  51.   UFernando Cortes Aviles kusho

    Ngibe ngumsebenzisi othembekile we-Debian iminyaka futhi kungiphatha kabi ukubona indlela ethathayo. Abanye kuphela onjiniyela abavunyelwe ukuvota, kepha umsebenzisi wokugcina akanakho okunye angakwenza ngaphandle kokwamukela lokho kuzala kwesihogo (systemd). Ngithemba nje ukuthi iphrojekthi ye-devuan iyaqhubeka futhi ithole ukwesekwa okuningi.
    Kunama-distros ambalwa athembekile ku-SysV njenge-Gentoo nama-pclinuxos futhi ... i-slackware!

    Phendula ngokucaphuna

  52.   Alberto kusho

    Ngicabanga ngobuqotho ukuthi kulabo abenza imali ngeLinux, lolu hlelo luyiminyaka elula kude neWindows ne-Mac ngakho-ke wonke ama-blowjobs, kits namaqhude. Ngiyavuma ukuthi eminyakeni engaphansi kwengu-8, uNod, Avast, Kaspr nabo bonke ababasizayo bazongena ezweni leLinux, nazo zonke izifo zabo. Kuyibhizinisi futhi lapha ngeke kususe noma unkulunkulu. Nsuku zonke umsebenzisi we-Linux? ipipi woza paca ngidinga imali yakho. Ngeshwa kunjalo. Manje sebebeka kuphela ithiphu futhi ngeVaseline .. linda iminyaka embalwa uzobona hahaha

  53.   UMarcelo Lopez Foresi kusho

    Ngicabanga ukuthi okushiwo ngumbhali wencwadi kuwubuwula. Ngenkathi kunokuphikisana okuningana okusetshenziswayo, noma nini lapho kuba nezinguquko ezinkulu, bekukhona ukuphikisana okukhulu.
    Futhi, ukuba ngumsebenzisi we-debian (nami ngokunjalo) akubonakali njengokuphikisana okuvumelekile kimi. Uma ungabathandi bakunqumele izinto, vele usebenzise enye i-distro "enzima" bese uhlanganisa konke ngesandla, kufaka phakathi uhlelo lokuqalisa.
    Awukwazi ukwenza sengathi unazo zonke izinzuzo zokusebenzisa i-apt exazulula konke ukuncika, ngaphandle kokubi.
    Kumsebenzisi we-slack noma i-gentoo, bekungeke kwenzeke lokho, "ewu ... ngivuselele futhi kukhona izinto engingazithandi." Ngoba ukuvuselela uhlelo ngesandla, kufanele uchithe amahora amaningi wezimbongolo ubuka okwenzayo.
    Ngiyaxolisa uma onjiniyela be-distro oyithandayo benze into ongayithandi. Nginombono, kungani ungenzi okufanayo neLinus futhi wakhe i-OS ehlukile?

  54.   Jorge kusho

    Sawubona, ngisha sha ku-linux futhi iqiniso ukuthi lo mbhalo ubonakala wethusa futhi ungakhululeki ngempela. Mina ebengijoyine iDebian ngayo yonke inkohliso yokuthi isoftware yamahhala isho ukuthini (inkululeko, usizo lokuzidela kubo bonke abayidingayo, mahhala, lula) ngamafuphi, lokho bekubonakala kimi kuyindlela yokuqonda ikhompyutha emnandi futhi enhle (nokuthi ngicabanga kanjani ukusebenzisa ikhompyutha kufanele kube kusukela ekuqaleni). Eqinisweni ngigcine kule webhusayithi ngoba bengiqala ukubhala iDebian ukuze ngifunde ukuzisingatha nokwenza izinto ngedwa, ngiyabona ukuthi konke engifuna ukukukhomba kuyanyamalala.

    Kuzofanele senze ukwahlukanisa okusha eDevuan, ake sibone ukuthi kuhamba kanjani ...

    Siyabonga ngalo mnikelo wendatshana.
    Ngiyabingelela, Jorge.

  55.   Jorge kusho

    Kunoma ikuphi, isikhathi sizofakazela ukuthi ngubani onelungelo.

    Esikwazi ukukwenza njengabasebenzisi ukuzama ezinye izindlela eziningi futhi sithembe ukuthi iyiphi egcina iba ngcono.

  56.   Jorge kusho

    Ngokuphathelene noDevuan, ngingathanda ukuzama, kepha okwamanje kunguqulo yayo yokuhlola. Lapho nje inguqulo ezinzile iphuma ukubona ukuthi ngiyazama yini, ukubona ukuthi injani.

  57.   Sebastian kusho

    Kuyamangaza ukufunda esihlokweni esingakajwayelekile futhi nivumelane ngakho konke. Ngisanda kufaka iDebian Jessie, bekuvele kufanele ngifomathe izikhathi ezi-2 zokuphahlazeka kohlelo okuphelele kuzibuyekezo ezilula. Ngangizibuza ukuthi ayikho into enjengale eyake yenzeka kimi futhi ngokungazelelwe yonke into yaqala ukuba yimbi. Bengisebenzisa i-wheezy futhi njengoba i-Debian jessie cd ilanda ikhasi (noma ngabe lirekhoda i-dvd noma i-pendrive) azisebenzi kimi, ngifaka i-wheezy bese ngiyavuselela. Njengoba kuthatha isikhathi ukwenza izinto phansi, akuyona into engiyenza ngokushesha ngakho-ke ngisebenzisa uG Wheezy izinsuku ezimbalwa futhi ngabona umehluko ekusebenzeni noJessie engingazange ngikubone kuzibuyekezo zangaphambilini. Ngokufunda ngengozi enye indatshana engiyitholile mayelana ne-systemd futhi ngabona ukuthi kwakungeyona impikiswano engamanga engingayibona noJessie (umuzwa wokuba semawindini okungazinzile).
    Ngenxa yendatshana yakho kanye neminye engiyifundile engazisile ngalesi sihloko, nginqume ukushintsha ukusabalalisa kwami.