Kwanan nan ne Babban Taron Red Hat na 2013 kuma akwai wasu detailsan bayanai da aka bayyana game da gaba mai zuwa 7.0 na Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Sun ce zai kasance ne don rabin rabin shekarar 2013 (shekaru 3 bayan fitowar sigar 6.0) kuma ya dogara da sigar 17/18 na Fedora (saboda haka tana iya amfani da GNOME 3.4 zuwa sama) kuma hakan zai hada da sabon mai sakawa Anaconda. Amma ba shakka, ba za su yi amfani da harsashi na zamani da muka sani ta tsoho ba, amma bambancinsa na yau da kullun (harsashi tare da kari). A cewar Denise Dumas, Manajan Injiniya a RHEL, dalilin ba wai ya dagula masu amfani da kamfanin bane, "abu na karshe da muke so shi ne rusa ayyukan kwastomominmu," in ji Denise.
Sanin abin da suke tunani ("JANYA KYAUTA BA TA CIN ABINCIN KUNANTA"), bari mu kafa tattaunawa tare da waɗannan tambayoyin guda uku da Metalbyte ke yi.
1) Shin daga ƙarshe an yi la'akari da ra'ayoyin yawancin-masu amfani?
2) Shin dacewar da aka samu ta wasu abubuwan yana da alaƙa da ita?
3) Ko kuma wataƙila Red Hat yana da abin yi da shi?
Source: http://www.muylinux.com/2013/06/13/rhel-7-usara-modo-clasico-gnome-3/
Ban taɓa jin wannan magana ba tsawon shekaru: "Chocolate don labarai."
Nayi la'akari da kaina a zaman mai amfani na kamfani yayin da nake amfani da CentOS 6.4 akan tashar aiki na. Kuma a matsayina na mai amfani na kamfani mai kyau ina tsammanin cewa KDE da gnome> 2 suna tsotsewa da damuwa. Halin ƙarfin gnome 2 !!! (Wannan ɗayan ɗayan ƙofofin nan ne waɗanda ke kururuwa kiran kira hahaha)
Flamewar a cikin 3, 2, 1 ...
Da kaina na fi son Ubuntu Server. Yana rage min yawan ciwon kai fiye da CentOS da Debian.
Kuma tabbas Red Hat ya yi. Yana da farin ciki gnome. Kodayake gnome na gargajiya shit ne wanda ba za a iya canza shi ba da fatan ya inganta.
Ina tunanin zan yi amfani da sabon yanayin Shell na zamani + kari na hukuma kamar yadda aka gani a hoton kuma labarin ya ce har sai na karanta bayaninka kuma na rikice ... idan RHEL 7 yayi amfani da Fedora 18 a matsayin tushe, to yanayin da zai kawo zai zama Gnome Fallback dama? Wani ya gyara min.
Daidai. Ita ce Gnome Fallback, saboda Kundin Tarihi kawai ya bayyana a Gnome 3.8, wanda Red Hat ba za ta yi amfani da shi ba, tunda har yanzu yana da kore sosai.
Kuma ya fi kyau ta wannan hanyar, tunda Fallback baya buƙatar hanzarin zane kuma Classic yayi (ko tilasta processor tare da madadin hanyar zuwa hanzarin zane).
A zahiri sabon yanayin Classic shine Gnome Shell wanda aka saba dashi tare da kari 3, yayi kama da MGSE (Mint GNOME Shell Extensions) wanda Mint yayi a 2011 tare da kafin yin Kirfa.
Wannan bushara ce a gare mu kuma tabbatacciya ga abokan cinikin Red Hat.A kaina, na yi farin ciki 😀
Yi hankali, wani abu kuma .. RHEL 7 zai dogara ne akan Fedora 17/18 kuma ba 15 ba .. Yi hankali saboda banbancin yana da girma 😀
Na riga na gyarashi. Ina tsammanin za ku yi amfani da GNOME 3.4 ko 3.6 (watakila 3.8)
Labaran da nake samu daga abokaina da ke aiki a Red Hat a ɗayan ofisoshin su da ke duk faɗin duniya, Brno (Czech Republic), inda Fedora da RHEL suka ci gaba, shine RHEL 7 zai yi amfani da Kernel 3.8 wanda zai kasance ba da daɗewa ba da aka sani da LTS ta hanyar masu haɓaka linux.org kuma fasalin Gnome shima zai zama 3.8 .. Idan kuka haɗa wannan labarai, a bayyane yake a gare ku dalilin da yasa ƙungiyar Gnome ta samar da sabon yanayin "Classic" bisa ga kari. don sabon Gnome 3.8. : D. Koyaya RHEL zai sami Gnome da KDE a cikin ajiyar sa kamar da da kuma a cikin repo na hukuma akwai kuma Xfce a cikin sigar 4.10. Sigar karshe ta KDE da za'a aiwatar har yanzu bata bayyana ba tunda har yanzu ana duba yiwuwar aiwatar da sigar ta 4.10 maimakon KDE 4.11 saboda yanayin LTS ta kungiyar KDE: D. Sabuwar RHEL: D yayi kyau.
Correctionananan gyare-gyare: kernel 3.8 za a yi la'akari da LTS ta kernel.org ba da daɗewa ba kuma game da KDE version 4.10 tabbas an zaɓi 🙂
Ina shakka shi petercheco. Kernel na 3.8 ya riga ya isa EOL. Sabuwar kwayar LTS ita ce 3.4
http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/3.8-is_not_longterm_stable.html
a wanne hali ... to shin wani daga cikin wadanda kuke da su za ku ajiye?
Ina tsammanin zasu daina kiyaye kernel 3.4 tunda babu kasuwancin distro da ke aiwatar da shi: D. Kasance haka kawai, Ina tsammanin sabon RHEL zai ba da abubuwa da yawa don magana game da kuma shekaru uku masu zuwa zai kasance fiye da shirye 😀
Kuma idan a ƙarshe ba haka bane, watakila zasu aiwatar da 3.4 ko jira 3.10 .. Mun bar kanmu munyi mamaki 😀
Ga karin labarai (a Turanci):
http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/where-is-red-hat-enterprise-linux-7.html
Abinda ya faru shine asalin bayanin asalin da MetalByte ya ambata Fedora 15 a matsayin tushe.
Wikipedia jiya ta sabunta gidan yanar gizon su game da RHEL kuma sun riga sun ambata cewa zai dogara ne akan Fedora 19 .. Wannan yana ba da tabbaci ga mai sanar da ni daga RHEL ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux
Abinda ya rage shine cewa ya dogara ne akan fedora 15 ..., Ina tsammanin aƙalla ya dogara da 16 ..., amma duk da haka, distro ne don yanayin kasuwanci.
* dalili shine ba don damuwa da tushen mai amfanin ku ba *
wannan shine babban dalili, komai kuma shine mafi karancin sa.
Kuma lallai fiye da daya masu karancin haske ko kwarewar kamfani zasu ce irin wannan wauta: "JANYA KYAUTA BA TA CIN ABINCIN KUNNAN KAJINTA"
Haƙiƙa shine canjin da aka gabatar a cikin sabon GNOME yana da girma ƙwarai da gaske cewa dole ne su jira fiye da na masu amfani da tebur na SOHO kafin su gabatar da shi ga kamfanoni.
Idan RedHat yana so ya zama mai mahimmanci tare da masu amfani da shi: yi amfani da KDE .. Amma tabbas, kamar masu haɓaka GNOME, da yawa daga RedHat suke .. ko ta yaya.
Kada mu zama 'yan fage, kuna maida ni Alejandro-Archer. Shin kun tuna? xD
Gaskiyar ita ce, Ina ganin ta daga mahimmin ra'ayi. RHEL baya so ya zama distro ga talakawa, baya so a nuna shi a agogon dristro kuma baya son yin komai wanda ya dace da shi, wannan shine abin da Fedora take, filin wasan sa.
Ba za su iya canza canjin aikin dukkan tsarinsu ba, suna tallafawa LAN mutane da yawa kuma hakan, aƙalla, zai haifar da haƙurin abokan cinikin su, waɗanda a fili suke babban abu ne a gare su, ba al'umma ba, kuma ni fahimci hakan.
Yanzu zaɓi KDE? Dukanmu mun san fifikon fasaha na KDE, aikace-aikacen sa, jigon sa, komai nasa ... Shin hakan yana da sha'awar RH? Hmm Ina tsammanin suna ƙoƙari su ganta daga mahangar fahimta inda zasu sabunta wani ɓangare na shirin tallafi na fasaha, zasu tallafawa masu amfani waɗanda har yanzu suke amfani da Gnome da waɗanda ke amfani da KDE, daidaita dukkan aikace-aikacen su tunda ba za su yi ba sanya tsarkakakkun aikace-aikacen GTK a ciki kawai canza DE, in shaa Allahu, wannan wawanci ne.
Yana da yawan magana game da shi, akwai wuta a cikin ernkernel akan yanayin tebur.
Kuma saboda wannan da wasu dalilai da yawa, an yanke shawarar amfani da tsohuwar Classic GNOME maimakon shahadar GNOME Shell.
Kuma Debian, masu ci gaban Gnome nawa ke da su? Kuma me yasa Kirfa, Mate, Consort, Pantheon suka bayyana ... kuma ba'a zaɓi KDE ba?
Ga ra'ayina: KDE fasaha ce mafi kyawun tebur, amma Red Hat da Debian suna son kwanciyar hankali. KDE 4.10 yana da gyara a cikin watanni biyar sau 4 (daga 4.10 zuwa 4.10.4) na reshensa na STABLE wanda yakai kwari 400: ƙasa da Nepomuk, Akonandi da "tebur mafi ci gaba a duniya" da ƙarin awoyi masu goge kayan.
Da kyau, bari mu tafi tare da tatsuniyoyi. A wani lokaci Qt mallakar wani kamfani ne wanda ke da ƙarancin yanayin lasisi haɗe da tsarin. Yawancin Puritan a lokacinsa ba su yi amfani da KDE ba don wannan gaskiyar, saboda lokacin amfani da Qt "ba 100% kyauta ba ne".
Wancan ne lokacin da Debian ya ce: KDE ya fi GNOME kyau, amma dai, ba shi da 100% kyauta kuma saboda haka baya bin falsafarmu. Mu dauki GNOME saboda bamu da wasu.
Kuma wannan shine yadda a cikin ƙarni Debian ke ci gaba da zaɓar GNOME, saboda ƙari, yana da ƙarancin fakiti fiye da KDE kuma yana ɗaukar ƙaramin faifai .. kuma blah blah blah ..
Shekarun baya zai zama kamar bayani ne mai ma'ana, amma yanzu? Da alama dai bai dace da ni ba. Ba zan fahimci dalilin da yasa suke ba da shi azaman madadin tebur ba idan da gaske ba sa son wuce-wuri da shi. Yourungiyar ku akan Debian ta fi girma akan Gnome. Kuma suna riga suna sanya Razor-qt, wanda shima yana tafiya tare da Qt.
Ina tsammanin, a hankali, cewa amsar ba ta da kyau ga Linux: Gnome 3 na iya tsotse (Ba ni da adawa ko adawa), amma babu mafi kyau madadin. KDE yana da shirye-shirye mafi kyau, amma yana ba ni kwari na wauta akan Debian barga (wawa, amma menene, banyi amfani da barga don tafiya ba). Nace: babban aiki, amma bai daidaita kamar yadda ya kamata ba, ba daidaituwa ba ne cewa manyan biyu a cikin kwanciyar hankali suna cikin Gnome duk da cewa ba sa son canjin; Xfce yana buƙatar shirye-shiryen Gnome (Xarchiver, sabuntawa na ƙarshe na 2008; Xfburn, daidai da kwanan wata), me zaku yi idan Gnome ya rufe shirye-shiryensa har ma da ƙari? Ba tare da ambaton cewa 4.12 za a sake shi a cikin Maris kuma muna cikin Yuni…; Ina amfani da Mate, amma makomarta ba ta da tabbas; Openbox, Fluxbox da sauransu: kamar Xfce, sun dogara ne da wasu shirye-shirye daban, amma da kyar suka wanzu.
Na sake kawo shi: lokacin da Cinnamon, Comfort, Mate, Pantheon suka fito ... Matsalar ba wai kawai Gnome 3 ba ya sonta ba, matsalar ita ce ba sa son KDE ko Xfce ko dai. Kuma waɗancan kwamfyutocin ya kamata su soki kansu, suna tunanin dalilin da yasa wasu gungun masu shirye-shirye suka fara ƙirƙirar sabon tebur na Gnome wanda zai zama dole su sake fasalinsa a bugunsu na gaba saboda daidaituwa ta baya baya da kyau kuma ɗakunan karatu suna rufe. Ba na tsammanin cewa "muna cikin GTK rayuwarmu duka", a'a: wani abu ne dabam, madadin ba su da kyau kamar yadda ya kamata.
Kamfanoni suna son su mallaki samfuran su, wannan kawai zai iya bayyana yawancin ayyukan Red Hat (ko Canonical)
Tebur ɗin da aka samo daga gnome, bari muga me zai faru. Ina tsammanin za a sami ƙaura daga aikace-aikace da yawa daga gtk zuwa qt, amma tare da yanayin tebur wanda zai zama mafi rikitarwa yana ƙara cewa a cikin ba da nisa ba nan gaba zasu sake rubuta wani ɓangare na lambar su don iya amfani da wayland.
vicky, wannan yana bayanin Red Hat da Canonical cases, ba wasu ba, wadanda suna da yawa.
Matsalar ƙaura ita ce cewa yawancin aikace-aikacen Qt suna da ƙarfin dogaro na KDE (kde-base da akonandi akan Debian), don haka idan kuna son KDE lafiya, amma idan baku so kuma kuna son amfani da Qt ku fara zama mai iyakancewa. Ya rage a gani idan ƙaura aikace-aikacen shima yana jan yawancin abubuwan dogaro na KDE ko a'a.
Ina amfani da kde, amma ina tsammanin xfce zai zama cikakke ga yanayin kasuwanci. Hakanan aiki ne da ke buƙatar ƙarin tallafi 🙂
Kuna da kowane dalili a gare ni mafi kyau a cikin yanayin kasuwanci shine Xfce, Ina so a misali in sami al'umma mafi girma na masu haɓaka wannan DE ko kuma distro don ɗaukar nauyinta, misali Mint ya tafi daga Gnome zuwa XFCE, da dai sauransu.
Kamar yadda sakon ya ce ba sa son damun masu amfani da su, idan har ya zama da wuya a saba da tebur don jin dadi, yanzu ku yi tunanin sabawa da aiki, ba ni da wani abu game da gnome-shell, hadin kai ko kowane irin tebur na zamani, ina son su kuma suna da masaniya kan aiki amma ka tuna cewa na bata lokaci kafin mu saba da aiki dasu, don haka yayin da nake ganin su sai su taka kaffa-kaffa gwargwadon iko a cikin fakitin gina rarrabawa, a wuraren kasuwanci rashin nasara shine komai
Ba amfani da harsashin gnome amma har da sabon Anaconda? Wataƙila ana amfani da mai shigar sau ɗaya kawai a kan kwamfuta, amma ya zama kamar matsala ce a gare ni
hahaha yanzu da yakamata sun sami damar samun mutanen da suke amfani da gnome (bana nufin troll ko kde fanboy da dai sauransu) suce "..che a karshen cewa gnome-shell din ba haka bane", Red Hat zaiyi amfani da sigar gargajiya, hahaha.
Yanzu abin hauka game da duk wannan shine wanda ya saka kuɗi a cikin Gnome shine Red Hat kuma yanzu sune waɗanda basa son gnome-shell hahaha. Lokacin da wadanda suka fito daga Ubuntu suke son yin tsokaci game da sabuwar hanyar zuwa gnome3 sai suka yi biris da su saboda wadanda suka sanya kudi su ne na Red Hat kuma yanzu ba sa son amfani da harsashin hahahahahaha.
Wane irin zazzabi dole ne mutanen Gnome su samu hahaha
Gaskiyar ita ce canji daga Gnome 2 zuwa Gnome shell yana da girma, kuma gaskiyar ita ce bana tsammanin ƙaura ta kasance da daɗi sosai (ban samu ba). Ganin haka, ƙaura ta fi rikitarwa ga masu amfani da ja, tunda suna amfani da wannan tsarin don aiki, kamar yadda suke faɗi a sama.
tabbas saboda wadanda suke amfani da debian basa aiki da gnome-shell basa aiki hahaha
Ina amfani da GNOME 3.4.2 kuma ina amfani da faduwa saboda a ganina ya fi kwanciyar hankali fiye da amfani da yanayin "shell". Ina tsammanin shawarar da RHEL ya yanke na amfani da yanayin yau da kullun shine a kanta babban mari a fuska ga fewan masu sha'awar GNOME Shell.
Ina tsammanin hakan, yana magana game da hargitsi kamar redhat, yanayin zane-zane na asali abin ado ne. Ba na nuna cewa ni baiwa ce kwata-kwata, amma ina aiki tare da sabobin ne bisa tushen rhel da centOS; Kuma dole ne in faɗi cewa ana amfani da zane mai zane don takamaiman abubuwa.
Alherin redhat ana yaba shi a ƙasa, koyaushe yana sabunta sabbin ayyuka da sake aiwatar da waɗanda ake dasu a halin yanzu. Don kawai ambaton wani abu shine kyakkyawan aikin da suka yi tare da kvm da kuma tare da mai kula da ƙwarewar kulawa Ovirt, wanda tuni an riga an masa alama a matsayin tabbatacce a cikin sigar 3.2.
Zargin jan baki na tsoron kirkirar abubuwa saboda karamin abu kamar wannan na dauke shi ba wani wuri ba.
To duk wannan a ra'ayina na tawali'u.
Gaisuwa.
jar hula ce ta ɗauki gnome ƙarƙashin hancinsu kuma yanzu ba sa kula da dodo da suka halitta
Da kyau cewa suna kula da yanayin da muke so fiye da ɗaya: D!
Na al'ada, RHEL na aiki ne kuma ba an shirya taɓa hancin wani wanda ya cika aljihunka da kuɗi ba.
RHEL zai sami GNOME # Fallback ta tsohuwa. Abu mai kyau basu yanke shawara suyi amfani da GNOME Shell ba, saboda zai zama babbar masifa ga waɗanda suke aiki tare da RHEL a yanayin tebur kuma suna ɓatar da ƙarin lokaci don dacewa da wannan sabon yanayin.
Amma zasuyi amfani da GNOME Shell, Shell ne kawai tare da kari don amfani mai kama da tebur ɗin gargajiya.
Amma game da MyPES da SMEs a cikin Peru da sauran ƙasashen Latin Amurka waɗanda ba su da ikon sabunta kayan aikin komputa kamar yadda hukumomi ke yi, to kai tsaye ne ga kwayar halittar saboda buƙatun zane-zane a cikin GNOME Shell, da ƙarin horo don amfani da wani GUI da / ko hayar masu fasaha don shigar da GUI kamar MATE / XFCE. Hakan zai ƙara zuwa kuɗin da ba dole ba kuma yawancin waɗannan kamfanonin zasuyi la'akari da amfani da Debian don wuraren aiki saboda GNOME Fallback GUI a matsayin GUI na asali.
Abinda nake nufi shine RHEL zaiyi amfani da GNOME Classic, ma'ana, GNOME Shell tare da kari, ba zai yi amfani da GNOME Fallback ba.
Ba zan iya yin sharhi a kan sauran ba, ni ɗalibi ne kawai wanda ke koyon Linux.
GNOME Classic / = GNOME Fallback
Da alama wannan da yawa sun ruɗe.
jar hutu za a dogara da fedora 15 .., don haka zai zama gnome 3.4, wanda har yanzu yana da gnome fallback.
@ kwankwasiyya92
RHEL 7 stara dangane da Fedora 17/18 kuma a kan 19:
http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/where-is-red-hat-enterprise-linux-7.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux
@ kwankwasiyya92
Zai ɗauki GNOME 3.8 saboda har sai wannan sigar aka gabatar da GNOME Classic.
Abin da nake so in sani shi ne inda suka samu cewa zai dogara ne akan Fedora 15 ko Fedora 17/18, dukkansu suna yin tsokaci akan abubuwa daban-daban: S
@bbchausa:
An riga an tabbatar da Wikipedia na Turanci cewa zai kasance Fedora 19. Sauran ra'ayoyi ne kawai.
@ eliotime3000
Na riga na fahimta. Saboda wasu dalilai ban ga sharhin petercheco ba inda ya sanya mahaɗin zuwa Wikipedia: P.
A ganina kuna rikita abubuwa, kuna zaton ba zakuyi amfani da kwanson gnome ba, amma abinda na fahimta shine zakuyi amfani da shi amma tare da fadada hanyar ta gargajiya, ma'ana, IDAN zakuyi amfani da kwanshin gnome, don haka Ban san dalilin da yasa duk wannan hayaniyar ba
babu shakka wannan labarin yanada rauni ga Gnome
Me ya sa? Haƙiƙa suna amfani da GNOME Shell, amma tare da ƙari.
Blowananan rauni ga abin da su da kansu suke tallafawa da jagoranci?
Tambayi hakan ga kananan, kanana da matsakaitan kamfanoni wadanda basu da isasshen sabunta ayyukkan su, da kuma masu amfani da saba da GNOME 2 kuma wadanda abin takaici ba za'a iya canza musu fasalin su ba ta tsohuwar kayan GNOME.
Mutum "a ƙafa" wanda ya saba kasancewa a cikin Gnome 2, ba zai iya shafar kusan komai ba ta amfani da faduwa, kodayake a wani lokaci za su kai matsayin da ya kamata su fara amfani da kayan aikin " na al'ada »daga Gnome. Ina tsammanin sun riga sun shirya wannan lokacin da yadda zasu aiwatar dashi.
shekaru biyu tun daga fitowar harsashin gnome kuma har yanzu yana haifar da rikici. Da alama a gare ni cewa Elav ya yi daidai, cewa suna yin abin da nake yi, sanya Kde. Kodayake ba shine mafi girman abin mamakin duniya ba aƙalla suna da kyakkyawan aiki ba tare da ɓarkewa ba.
Yanayin gargajiya na Gnome 3.8
Yanayin al'ada sabon fasali ne ga mutanen da suka fi son ƙwarewar tebur ta gargajiya. Ginin gaba ɗaya daga fasahar GNOME 3, yana ƙara abubuwa da yawa kamar menu na aikace-aikace, menu na wurare da maɓallin taga tare da ƙasan allon. Kowane ɗayan waɗannan fasalulluka ana iya amfani da su daban-daban ko a haɗe tare da sauran haɓakar GNOME.
https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.8/
Burke ya tabbatar da cewa da yawa daga cikin sabbin fasalin RHEL 7 suna cikin wadanda aka saki kwanan nan Fedora 17 al'umma Linux rarraba, kuma akwai kuma wasu sabbin abubuwan RHEL 7 da zasu fara a Fedora 18.
http://www.serverwatch.com/server-trends/the-future-of-red-hat-enterprise-linux-7.html
Wannan labarin ba shi da ɗan lokaci .. Yuli 6, 2012: D. Tare da tsare-tsaren bara sun yi babban canje-canje :).
Bayyanannu. Saboda Red Hat yana da halin ƙirƙirar tsarin aikinsa cikin watanni biyu 😀 Duba wannan, wanda shine sabo-sabo:
http://www.serverwatch.com/server-news/where-is-red-hat-enterprise-linux-7.html
Yanzu, nemi «bambance-bambance» 😀
Hankali ga kalmar:
Ronald Pacheco, Babban Manaja, Gudanar da Kayan Fasahar Fasaha a Red Hat, ya ce kamfaninsa na aiki a kan RHEL 7 NA LOKACI.
Kuzo, sun fara jiya 😀
A takaice, sai dai idan kuna da matsaloli game da abin da kuke yi, ba za ku ga sabon sigar Gnome ba (3.8). Maimakon haka, za su kasance tare da 3.4 ko 3.6 a mafi akasari, kuma mafi la'akari da cewa za a saki 3.8 don Fedora 19, wanda bai ma bar lokacin beta ba. Lokaci zai nuna 😉 Ko yaya dai, bari su yi abinda suke so. Idan suna so su "kashe kansu" tare da yanayin da ke buƙatar hanzarin zane (mara kyau AMD graphics waɗanda) ko bulala mai sarrafawa, tafi don su. Amma ya ba ni cewa ba salon su bane 😉 Koyaya, idan maimakon sakin fasalin na ƙarshe a ƙarshen wannan shekarar ko farkon shekara mai zuwa, ana tsammanin su a ƙarshen 2014 ko 2015, saboda zai zama wani abu ne else