Shekaru daya da suka gabata Joey Hess samarwa cewa fitowar Debian mai zuwa ta zo tare da Xfce azaman tsoho tebur. Yau…Joey da kansa ne ya sauya canjin. Na bar rubutun wannan aikin a cikin ɗawainiya.
Dangane da sakamakon farko daga
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Requalification/JessieWasu bayanan da ake so har yanzu basu samu ba, amma a wannan lokacin Na tabbata 80% wancan gnome yana samun ci gaba a wannan aikin. Wannan yana dogara ne akan samun dama kuma har zuwa wani lokaci hadewa da tsarin.
Samun dama: Gnome da Mate suna kan gaba da babban rata. Wasu daga cikin sauran kwamfyutocin sun inganta haɗin haɗin amfani da su cikin Debian, a wani ɓangare da wannan aikin ke gudana, amma har yanzu suna buƙatar gagarumin aiki na gaba.
Haɗuwa tare da systemd / sauransu: Xfce, Mate, da sauransu suna makale ƙoƙarin cimma canje-canje masu gudana a wannan yanki. Akwai lokacin da fatan za a fitar da waɗannan batutuwan yayin daskarewa da zarar tarin fasaha ya daina sauyawa daga ƙasa, don haka ba cikakken mai toshe wa waɗannan tebur bane, amma zuwa halin yanzu, Gnome ke kan gaba.
Abinda kawai nake tsammanin zai iya auna abin da ke sama shine girma, idan akwai matukar sha'awar Debian don ganin CD guda tare da tebur mai amfani. Koyaya, ƙungiyar Debian ta rayu kar ku damu da dacewa da CD ɗin gargajiya; kuma kodayake ƙungiyar CD ɗin Debian ba ta yi wani bayani ba, abin da nake gani a matsayin memba shine ba wani abu bane da ke damun mu isa ya sanya ta zama mai toshewa mai wahala a kan tebur ta tsohuwa.
Sauran abubuwan da ba za a iya gani ba wadanda suka yi tasiri a wannan shawarar sun hada da:
- Gungiyar Gnome akan Debian ta gabatar da ƙararraki don Gnome ya sami babbar al'umma, da dai sauransu.
- Gnome 3 da alama ya inganta sosai tunda sakin Debian na ƙarshe.
- Xungiyar XFCE akan Debian tana da damuwa game da ko yakamata ya zama tsoho tebur. Ba a ga ƙarin ƙarin gudummawar ba a lokacin lokacin tsoho ne a gwajin watanni 9 da suka gabata kuma har yanzu suna ƙaramar ƙungiyar.
- Mateungiyar Mate Debian suna ba da kyakkyawar fata ga Mate, amma a ɗaya hannun sabo ne ga Debian, ba tare da gwaji mai yawa ba ko tare da yawancin masu amfani. Duk da yake a lokaci guda yana da mahimmanci 2.0. Juyin Debian yana damuna, duk da kasancewa kyakkyawan yanayin tebur.
- Tasksel yana baka damar zaɓar wasu kwamfyutocin komputa daga jerin, don haka wannan kawai tsoho ne, wanda za'a iya canza shi cikin sauƙi.
A kan hanya, GNOME 3.14 ya zo gefen reshe.
Ina son XFCE amma gaskiya ne cewa watan da ya gabata matsalolin da ke tattare da tsarin suna barin shi sosai ko a cikin Debian kuma na fahimci cewa zai koma Gnome duk da cewa ba na son shi da yawa
Wannan daidai. Kodayake, a nawa, XFCE daskarewa yayin gudanar da Iceweasel da Chrome / Chromium a lokaci guda.
Xfce an yi watsi da shi, wannan shine matsala. Latearshen shekara da rabi dangane da kalandar da suka bayar don sabon sigar 4.12 kuma ba da niyyar ƙaura zuwa GTK3 ba tukuna. Kuma babban tebur ne, Xarchiver da sauran waɗanda ba sa cikin kwayar sun fi muni.
A gefe guda yana ba ni baƙin ciki ganin Gnome ya ci nasara. Saboda gajiya, rashin kishiyoyi, komai, amma da kyar za a iya gyarawa game da abin da masu amfani da shi suka nema (har yanzu ba shi da ajiyar allo, har yanzu ba zai iya canza kwamitin ba, har yanzu ba ya mayar da aikin rarrabuwa ga Nautilus, da komai. wasu, ee, yana da ban sani ba waɗanne taswira, abin da zan san me) a ƙarshe masu amfani sun saba da shi. Na gwada Cinnamon akan Jessie ba da dadewa ba kuma babban tebur ne, amma har yanzu yana dogara ne akan aikace-aikacen Gnome kuma baya haɗuwa a waɗancan lokuta, abin kunya. Har yanzu watakila zan girka shi lokacin da Jessie ta daidaita.
A kowane hali, zan yi fare akan Mate, ba zai iya zama cewa Gnome yana yin abin da yake so ba kuma a ƙarshe hukuncin waɗanda ke rage masu amfani na ɗan lokaci ne kawai, 🙁.
Ni kawai ko kuwa wani ya lura baku ambaci KDE a cikin duk hujjarku? Ban fahimci menene matsalar KDE da Debian gaskiya ba.
Dangane da mahaɗin da Joey ya kalle shi, KDE yana da fa'ida idan ya zo ga samun dama
Don Allah .. fada min menene ma'anar saboda ban fahimta ba. Duk da haka dai, za su sani ...
@bbchausa https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Requalification/Jessie
dama :: Matsayi
Shin teburin na iya zama makaho da wadanda ke da nakasa? Da fatan za a auna matsayin damar kowane tebur daga -1 zuwa +1.
Rahoto daga ƙungiyar masu amfani:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/2014/09/msg00008.html
Asali, MATE shine mafi kyawun tebur. Gnome ya kawo wasu canje-canje masu amfani idan aka kwatanta da hakan. lxde da Xfce ba su da sauƙi saboda abubuwa kamar allon su ba. kirfa tana da lamuran amfani mai ƙarfi (farkon menu, panel). KDE ba shi da damar.
Akwai kwari tare da Xfce wanda ya sa ba za a iya samunsa kwata-kwata ba a yanzu, ya zama mai sauƙin daidaitawa: 760740, 760777, 760778
@diazepan Wannan baya fada min komai. Deungiyar Samun dama ta kafa ta Teamungiyar Debian don wannan dalili, amma zai zama dole a ga menene jagororin da suke la'akari yayin bayar da mizanin su, saboda suna iya zama cikakkun masu amfani da GNOME waɗanda basa son KDE, shin kun fahimci my ma'ana?
Yanzu, Ina so in san ra'ayin sauran game da wani abu, menene abin da ke sa GNOME ya fi sauƙi fiye da KDE? saboda daga gani na akasin haka ne.
Gyara ===================
Ainihi dangane da samun dama mai zuwa yana faruwa, bisa ga sakon daga Joey Hess akan jerin aikawasiku:
A wannan lokacin dole ne in ce ban taba aiki tare ba arsy, kuma da yawa game da KDE, don haka ban san yadda yake aiki a cikin wannan Mahalli na Desktop ba don mutanen da ke da ƙarancin hangen nesa ko wata nakasa ba.
Koyaya, kuma kallon saman kawai, akwai kayan aiki da yawa don wannan dalili: Kmouth, Jovie, Kmag, KMouseTool, KChartZaba.. don haka na koma wurin farawa .. Me yasa ba KDE ba?
Menene ƙari, Na sake bincika matakan na, Na ci gaba da karanta zaren da ake magana akai kuma akwai wani abu mai ban sha'awa:
WTF? Menene XFCE zai yi da OpenBox. Ko dai Joey Hess ya samu ba daidai ba, ko kuma da gaske bai taɓa gwada yanayin da yake da shi a matsayin madadin ba.
Yayinda nake amfani da XFCE, daidaituwa ta GTK3 an sami nasara tare da Murrina, kuma a ganina wannan wata hanya ce ta ɗan lokaci don rashin dacewa da tsarin da aka faɗi. Hakanan, ana samun abu mai amfani ta hanyar shigo da fasali daga GNOME 3.14 kuma ta haka ne kuke kiyaye kanku matsalar samun damar (koda Ubuntu yayi ta tare da Unity).
Kawai KDE bashi da mahimmanci a cikin popcon ... duk waɗannan watannin GNOME da Xfce suna cikin ƙulla fasaha wanda aka fi amfani dashi. Tabbas, da alama suna ba da mahimmancin kulawarsa. Bayan fewan shekarun da suka gabata debian koyaushe tana da halin kasancewa da tsohuwar, kusan watsi da KDE, yau ba haka bane, shine DE inda nake rubutu, kuma ba shi da kyau ko kaɗan.
Ina jin kamar kusan yaƙi ne da kde, wannan shine ainihin gaba ...
Qt shine gaba, Ee, amma ba a cikin ɗanɗano na KDE ba, don haka zan sami matsakaiciyar fare akan lxqt
Duk bayanan da kuke buƙata Elav:
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/tasksel/tasksel.git/commit/?id=dce99f5f8d84e4c885e6beb4cc1bb5bb1d9ee6d7
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Requalification/Jessie
Da alama MATE zai zama maye gurbin GNOME 3 a cikin magajin Debian Jessie, kodayake wannan lokacin ya ci GNOME 3.
Hakan ba zai faru ba @ Eliotime3000 tunda ba a tallafawa cigaban Mate sosai. Debian za ta ci gaba da yin amfani da DE sosai wanda yake da matukar tallafi tunda suna neman kwanciyar hankali na distro kuma babbar kungiya ce kawai za su iya ba ku .. na 16 mutane yana da kadan. A gefe guda, Gnome ya samo asali da yawa kuma ƙungiyarsa tana da yawa.
Wannan daidai. Bari mu gani idan na ɗauki matsala don gwada GNOME 3.14 da zaran na sami lokaci don girka Antergos akan PC ɗin aboki na (GNOME 3.8 kamar fiasco ne a wurina).
Allah Yayiwa Gnome.
A cikin jessie installer betas, xfce shine tsoho tebur, Na fahimci cewa lokacin da suka isa beta mai sakawa, babu sauran gyare-gyare da aka yi, amma gyaran bug.
Ba zan fusata da gaske ba game da cewa an kashe tsoffin teburin debian, xfce bai gamsar da ni ba kuma yana ba da kuskuren wauta da yawa tare da hawa naúrar da abubuwa kamar haka
Kawai nayi girkawa tare da beta na jessi, netinst ya zama daidai, kuma nayi mamakin farin ciki cewa lokacin da zaku zabi yanayin muhallin tebur zai baku zabin gnome, kde, xfce, da aboki, banyi ba san ko Wani sabon abu ne, a wurina a, a karo na karshe da nayi amfani dashi idan ka zabi shigarwa ta atomatik (wanda bana yi, kasancewar "aptitude -R" girkina yana da tsabta kamar kowane maharba) Na girka gnome , da alama yanzu zaka iya zaɓar.
Na gode.
GNOME yana ci gaba da jagorantar aikin cikin aikin yin amfani da tebur kyauta. A gefe guda, suna kula da AT-SPI, wanda shine yarjejeniyar da ke aiki a matsayin gada tsakanin aikace-aikacen mai amfani da aikace-aikacen samun dama. GTK + yana amfani da wannan yarjejeniya kuma yawancin aikace-aikacen GNOME suna da dama. Bugu da ƙari, ƙungiyar masu amfani da GNOME sun taimaka wa abokan aikinsu Qt / KDE don tallafawa amfani, wanda har zuwa lokacin babu kusan a cikin GNU / Linux. Qt yayi amfani da AT-SPI don bayar da dama akan GNU / Linux. Kodayake Qt yana da sauƙi, har yanzu akwai sauran aikace-aikacen KDE waɗanda ba su ba. A ƙarshe, ana iya amfani da tebur ɗin GNOME ba tare da matsala ba tare da linzamin kwamfuta ba, ta amfani da maɓallin keyboard kawai.
Orca, mai karatun allo wanda GNOME ke kula dashi, shine mafi shaharar aikace-aikacen samun damar. Additionari ga haka, ƙungiyar masu amfani da GNOME suna aiki don samar da takaddun PDF mai sauƙi, ƙara tallafi na amfani a cikin poppler (injin PDF da Evince da Okular ke amfani da shi), da kuma yin amfani da waɗannan sabbin damar a cikin Evince.
Dole ne a yarda da wannan, saboda ba tare da GNOME ba (kuma har ma da mafi munin, ba tare da GTK +) ba, da ba za a sami damar yin amfani da shi ba. Hakan zai cutar da mu duka waɗanda muka watsar da su da zaran fasali na 3 ya fito.
KDE na iya zama kyakkyawar madadin, amma kun gani, waɗanda suka san shi bai isa sosai ba, ban sani ba, amma abin da zan iya cewa a matsayin mai amfani na ƙarshe shi ne cewa zaɓin (GNOME's) ba ruwana da ni ... , kawo yanayin da kowannensu ya kawo zai iya zabar da shigar da wanda yake so.
Idan ka cire "Alternate Desktop Enviroments" zaɓi a cikin Debian, zan barshi a can.
Ta hanyar tsoho za su sanya duk abin da suke so, amma a cikin distro kamar Debian da aka tsara don waɗanda ba masu farawa ba, kowa ya girka abin da yake so. Abu na farko da nayi a Debian Testing shine cire Xfce da saka KDE, wanda yake tafiya daidai da tsari, yana da kyau, mai ƙarfi kuma nesa da almara, yana cin raguna da processor fiye da Gnome ko Kirfa.
kuma na ce, menene matsala? debian koyaushe tana sanya takamaiman iso ga kowane tebur dinta da yake tallafawa kuma masu amfani da ita suna saukar da iso tare da teburin da suke so.
kuma tabbas al'umma ita ce mai karbar bakuncin kuma, yin duwatsu daga yashin yashi. to mafi yawan waɗanda suke amfani da debian suna girka tsarin tushe kuma suna gini daga can.
Amma ra'ayina, bana son wannan gnome3 shine zaɓaɓɓe daidai. Ina amfani da xfce kuma ina son shi amma na yarda cewa abin ya doru saboda rashin ma'aikata. Na fi son aboki, da gaske.
Bari mu gani idan don debian 9, mun riga mun sami lxde-qt, wanda shine tebur mai wadata da makoma mai yawa.
Da kyau, daga ra'ayina, ban san dalilin da yasa suka zaɓi gnome ba, ido yana da girma DE, amma a halin yanzu ana sabunta shi saboda shi, ban sani ba amma da gaske don kwanciyar hankali ya isa gare shi ba zan iya samu ba a cikin gnome, don gaskiya zan ga wani abu mara kyau don shiga reshen barga ma'anarsa zai fi kyau gwaji ko gefe.
Xfce yana da ƙarfi da yawa amma a lokaci guda yana da babbar ma'ana, shi ne cewa ba a sabunta shi sau da yawa kamar yadda ya kamata yayin yanke shawara, wane ɗakin karatu ne don amfani da shi don zama tebur na zamani LXDE ya yanke shawara kuma yana kan gaske hanyar zuwa gaba tayi kyau. A cikin wannan XFCE yana ɗaukar lokaci mai yawa kuma ya kamata su mai da hankali a kai, ni mai farin ciki ne mai amfani da XFCE, amma wannan batun ɗakunan karatu ya sanya ni yin tunani, idan ina ganin azaman Haskakawa a matsayin kyakkyawan zaɓi kawai don gwada yadda Na dace yanzu ina farin ciki a XFCE.
Murna !.
Na yarda da hakan. KDE yanayi ne mai kyau na tebur, amma na ga ya ɗan yi nauyi (duk da cewa na lura cewa ya fi Windows Aero da Aqua daga OSX haske). Koyaya, Na sami matsala ɗaya ko wata yayin amfani da GIMP da lokacin sauya jigogi waɗanda suka sanya ni daina amfani da shi cikin Debian.
Ban fahimci dalilin da yasa basa la'akari da kde ba
kuma na dogon lokaci ya kasance mafi daidaitaccen tebur na zamani
Hakanan gnome bashi da fa'idar amfani a iso
Kamar dai shawara ce mai kyau a wurina .. Ka tuna cewa Gnome daga na 3.8 zuwa gaba ya san wani abu .. Yanayi ne mai kyau kuma shine mahalli mafi inganci wanda ke cikin Linux. Hakanan ku tuna cewa XFCE "an dakatar dashi" a baya, matsawa zuwa GTK3 bai kammala ba kuma sigar 4.12 ta san lokacin da tazo ... Kuma ga waɗanda basa son Gnome, koyaushe suna iya zaɓar girka wani yanayi.
Ina cikin kwanciyar hankali da XFCE, kodayake abin da ba shi da dadi shi ne cewa ba ya zuwa tare da maɓallin gajeren hanyoyin maɓallan maɓalli da ke maimaitawa (kamar hoton allo, Babban maɓalli don buɗe menu na aikin Windows).
don haka bayan shekaru da yawa ... KDE ya ci nasara don haɗin kansa. Bari komai ya manna.
Tare da sauƙin shigar da Crunchbang ay .ay.
Debian Stable + Openbox, menene zai iya yin kuskure?
Goge abin birgewa daga umarnin aiki kuma bakada wata karamar fahimta yadda za ayi amfani da gajerun hanyoyin maballin Openbox? : v
Duk abin da suke faɗi, Ina so a sami Mate a matsayin tsoho tebur, lol, yana da kyau sosai kuma har yanzu yana kan teburin duniya.
Debian zai zama mai ban sha'awa tare da gnome 3.12 duk da haka, tun da 3.4 har yanzu bai dace da abin da gnome ke son gabatar mana ba, ban da wannan sigar 3.4 tana da matsala tare da fakitin tracker-miner-fs wanda ya bayyana dalilin da yasa baya cin komai duka cpu da wani ɓangare na ragon an yi sa'a daga 3.6 zuwa gaba wanda ya daidaita shi, a gefe guda kuma na kasance ina amfani da dukkanin gnome 3 har zuwa 3.12 kuma a wani ɓangare 3.14 Zan iya cewa daga 3.8 zuwa gaba yana nuna halaye masu kyau, samun damar har zuwa batun shine tattauna, yana da kyau kuma yana da sauri a kunna, saboda haka shawara ce mai kyau cewa debian sun dawo cikin gnome, ga waɗanda suke sukar ba tare da sun gwada nau'ikan gnome 3 ba, abin kunya ne ga waɗancan mutanen da suke Rayuwa daga baya , saboda kamar yadda nake jaddadawa a cikin kowane sabon juzu'i suna inganta kowane daki-daki.
Wannan daidai. GNOME 3.8 yana da ruwa sosai kuma gaskiyar ita ce, ya bambanta da abin da suke son nunawa a cikin GNOME 3.4, yanzu zaku iya cewa GNOME 3 yayi kyau.
Game da GNOME Shell Classic, shin wannan saitin zai zama na musamman ne ga RHEL / CentOS? Domin na riga na saba da GNOME 2.
Tsarin ba shi da keɓaɓɓe idan ba yawan rikice-rikice da yawa da suka sanya kwasfa na yau da kullun ko sha'awar yin hakan ba, shari'ar kawai don ba da damar wasu ƙirar harsashi, don haka ya ba ku sakamako iri ɗaya a cikin wannan yanayin akwai plugins 5 don gnome shell yana ɗaukar nau'ikan zaman gnome na gargajiya, sune masu zuwa: gnome-shell-extension-alternate-tab, gnome-shell-extension-apps-menu, gnome-shell-extension-launching-new-misali, gnome-shell-extension -wurare-menu, gnome -shell-extension-window-list, zai zama wadancan kuma babu wani abu da zai rage don daidaita kowane fadada don dacewa da kowa.
Ba na son gnome, amma idan dai za a iya amfani da MATE a kan Debian, ban damu da abin da tsoho Debian desktop yake ba. A halin yanzu ina amfani da Point Linux dangane da debian 7 barga, tare da rubutun MATE 1.4.2 kuma yana tafiya da sauri, komai yana aiki sosai. 🙂
Abin takaici, nayi tsammanin zasu canza yanayin teburin su amma har yanzu suna rufe a ci gaba da amfani da GNOME ta tsohuwa ba tare da gwada wasu hanyoyin kamar KDE, XFCE ba ko kuma don batun matsalolin albarkatu kamar LXDE tunda rarrabawa ne yawanci ana amfani dasu akan sabar yanar gizo.