[An sabunta cikin Turanci]: Na tambaya a shafin na OSananan yaraOS game da yadda ake girka Marlin akan Debian ba tare da tambayar ni abin dogaro ba Ubuntu kuma da dabara sosai nayi shawara wacce nake ganin zata iya zama mai ban sha'awa.
Me yasa OSananan yaraOS maimakon zama a tsarin aiki full ba wani irin Shell o Kammalawa na rarrabawar da muke amfani da ita? Don ku fahimci abin da nake nufi, zan bayyana kaina kadan.
OSananan yaraOS rukuni ne na aikace-aikace, tare da ƙaramin tsari wanda yake aiki Ubuntu. Kuma anan ne babbar matsalar take, cewa idan bamuyi amfani da rarraba ba na canonical, ba za mu iya jin daɗin cikakkiyar kwarewar da muke bayarwa ba OSananan yaraOS. Me yasa za'a iyakance ga masu amfani da wasu abubuwan amfani da Fasto, Maya, Marlin, Lingo, Dexter ko wani aikace-aikacen OSananan yaraOS? Me zai hana a tattara duk waɗannan aikace-aikacen kuma a sanya su tsaka tsaki, cewa ba sa buƙatar dogaro da takamaiman rarrabawa? A cikin Debian misali, muna da kawai Fasto a cikin wuraren ajiya.
Abin da ke faruwa a gare ni shi ne cewa sun haɗa duk waɗannan software ɗin a cikin wani nau'in MATAPAQUETE ko daban, kuma an girke shi a kan kowane tsarin kamar yana dacewa da shi. Wannan hanyar ba matsala idan kuna amfani da Fedora, Arch, Ubuntu o Debian, zaku iya more duk aikace-aikacen da zane-zanen OSananan yaraOS. Ko rarrabawar da muke amfani da ita to zai iya zama: OSananan yaraOS. Shin ina fahimtar da kaina?
Me kuke tunani game da shi? Shin muna haduwa tare da aika wasika zuwa ga shugabannin OSananan yaraOS da wannan shawara? 😀
Turanci.
Na tambaya a OSananan yaraOS shafin game da yadda ake girka Marlin a Debian ba tare da wani ba Ubuntu dogaro, kuma da dabara sosai na saki wata shawara wacce ina tsammanin zata zama mai ban sha'awa sosai.
Me ya sa OSananan yaraOS maimakon cikakken tsarin aiki ba zai iya zama wani nau'in Shell or tsawo na rarrabawa? Zan bayyana kaina yanzu.
OSananan yaraOS Aikace-aikacen aikace-aikace ne tare da ƙaramin zane wanda yake gudana Ubuntu. Kuma wannan shine babbar matsala, cewa idan ba muyi amfani da Canonical rarraba, ba za mu iya jin daɗin cikakken ƙwarewar ba OSananan yaraOS. Me yasa masu amfani da sauran abubuwan rarraba baza suyi amfani da su ba Mai aikawa, Maya, Marlin, Lingo, Dexter ko wani OSananan yaraOS aikace-aikace? Me yasa baza mu tattara dukkan wadannan aikace-aikacen ba mu sanya su tsaka tsaki, don haka ba zasu bukaci wasu dogaro da takamaiman rarrabawa ba? Kunnawa Debian misali, muna da Postler ne kawai a wuraren ajiya.
Abin da ya zo a zuciyata shi ne cewa duk wannan software za a iya haɗa ta cikin wani nau'in MAGANA ko ma daban, don haka ana iya sanya su akan kowane tsarin kamar idan ƙari ne. Wannan hanyar, ba matsala idan kuna amfani da Fedora, Arch, Ubuntu or Debian, kuna iya jin daɗin duk aikace-aikacen da zane-zane na OSananan yaraOS. Hatta rarrabawa da zamu yi amfani da shi na iya zama OSananan yaraOS. Shin kun fahimci abin da nake nufi?
Me kuke tunani game da shi? Me yasa bamu tara mu aika wasika zuwa ga shugabannin OSananan yaraOS da wannan shawara?
HOYGA alama ce mai kyau a gare ni. Dan Rabbit ya gaya muku can cewa dogaro na gaske da yake da Ubuntu shine 'yanci. Zai yi kyau a sami darasi akan yadda ake girka "elementary" a wani distro.
Zabura: turancin elva yana da daɗi hahaha
Juaz juaz ... Ba Turancina bane, Turancin Google ne, kuma kalli yadda nake kokarin sanya shi aiki yadda yakamata hahahahaha .. Na yi kokarin tattara Marlin kuma ba wai kawai ya dogara ne da 'yanci ba, yana bukatar abubuwa daga Unity , Gtk3 ... duk da haka.
Hahaha kun kira ta Elva, wanda shine sunan inna hahahahahaha. Yanzu na san yadda zan kira shi idan ya kira ni emo hahahahahahaha
Hahaha ka ceci kanka cewa kai dubun dubbai ne daga Kyuba, yaro, saboda ka sami ostia (ko kuwa hostia ce?) Cewa zaka yi shit.
Lallai Mai gida ne
Kuna so in aika shi? JAJAJAJAJAJA talakawa idan suka sami wasika daga wurina JAJAJAJAJAJAJA.
Ban gan shi haka ba, na ga naku ra'ayi ne mai ban sha'awa
Da kyau, a cewar DanRabbit ya ce da ni don Arche Ina tsammanin akwai fakitoci .. Don haka ba lallai bane ku rubuta komai da kanku 😛
Na yarda gaba daya! Da fatan za a iya yi, ba na son samun wuraren adana ubuntu a yanzu, amma ga wasu abubuwa yana da mahimmanci ... Bari mu ga idan za mu iya canza wannan! Idan ya zama dole ka sa hannu a wani abu, ka dogara da ni! 😀
Baucan !!! 😀
Kuma kun wuce fassarar ta kamar shit !!!
Hakanan ba haka bane, kawai dai ni (wanda kuka aiko masa da imel ɗin da ke tunatar da shi cewa post ɗin a shirye yake) na sami 'yan rikice-rikice na sirri, shi ya sa ban samu lokacin yin kallo ba ... lafiya, ku ban san shi ba: "Neman gafarata" 🙂
Na karanta amsarku kawai, bayani, bari mu gani gobe (a Spain kusan kusan ɗaya da safe) Zan iya aiko muku da fassarar labarin don ku aika masa, ko?
Uff hakan zai zama mai kyau 😀
A cikin Crunchbang Ina tuna samun Postler ba tare da ƙarin ajiya ba (kuma #! Is Debian Stable ne). Haka yake a cikin Debian ya isa ya sanya Crunchbang Statler repo.
A zahiri, kamar yadda na fada a cikin labarin, Postler shine kawai aikace-aikacen ElementaryOS da za mu iya samu a cikin Debian, kuma na gwada shi. 😀
Ah! To mai girma! 😉
Ina tsammanin kun fi rashin hankali fiye da sake faɗa shi (kuma ba ina nufin askin ku)
* Abun Marlin yana da alaƙa da debian da fakitin sa fiye da na ElementaryOS
* ElementaryOS rabarwa ce bisa ga Ubuntu, BA tsarin tsaruwa bane.
* Shin dole ne in sake nemo muku ma'anar Tsarin Aiki?
Don bayaninka abubuwa 2:
1-A bayyane ya bayyana a gareni cewa rabarwa ce, kuma ita tsarin aiki ne. Wannan dabi'a ce ta kallon gabaɗaya distro azaman OS. Kada ku zama masu nauyi sosai !!!
2- Cewa akwai wasu fakitoci (kamar gtk3 dakunan karatu) wadanda basu riga sun shiga Debian ba na fahimta, amma akwai wasu (Unity libraries) wadanda ba sa nan, kuma ba zasu kasance cikin Debian ba. Kuma a nan ne mai amfani ya iyakance.
SO ne SO kuma distro distro ne, burodin burodi da ruwan inabi, me yasa za'a girka su akan archlinux ba kan debian ba? Ina ganin ya kamata ku tambaya a dandalin tattaunawa na debian kuma ba dunƙule elementOS ba.
Da fatan za a karanta wasiƙar zuwa EsDebian maimakon buɗe bakinka
Ba ina nufin esDebian bane, amma ga shafin yanar gizo na debian don korafi / tambayoyi / shawarwari.
Shin ana nufin za ku iya shiga cikin wahalar rayuwa kuma ba zan iya ba? Da kyau, yana huce min .. 😛
A'a! zaku iya lalata duk abin da kuke so, amma gwada ƙoƙarin yin hakan tare da ingantattun hujjoji.
Kuma baku jin cewa hujjata na da inganci? Domin zaku kasance farkon sannan ..
elav, karka sanya ni shigar da wadancan elementaryOS abubuwa akan file dina, kawai dan daukar hotan shi kuma in nuna maka cewa ana iya girka shi a wasu distros kuma matsala ce ta kunshe a cikin Debian kuma ba wai wadannan aikace-aikacen sun kebanta bane buntus Kunshin da kuka ambata suna cikin wurin ajiyar AUR.
Idan kun karanta maganganun kuna iya lura da hakan, DanRabbit ya gaya mani cewa ga Arch haka ne.
Daidai kun bani dalili, matsalar ta debian ce ba ta elementaryOS ba
Bari mu gani, akwai zaman lafiya.
Waɗannan fakitin ba su cikin Arch, wato, ba sa cikin Pacman, amma a cikin AUR, wanda ke nuna cewa lamari ne na al'umma, ba na distro kanta ba, don haka matsalar iri ɗaya ce da ta Debian. Ina ganin elav yayi daidai, idan aka tallafa masu to ya zama ya kamata ne ta hanyar distro din kanta, tunda basu da AUR.
A ganina, ya kamata a tallafa musu, saboda shirye-shirye ne masu inganci, sama da duka, kuma koyaushe daga ra'ayina, Postler.
Tabbas, koyaushe akwai, kamar yadda KZKG ^ Gaara ya faɗi, lambar tushe, amma koyaushe yana da kyau a tabbatar cewa an gwada kunshin kuma an tallafawa su.
Idan akwai .tar.gz, batun saukar da su ne da tattara su da kanku ... wannan a bayyane yake, ɗauka cewa ba a cikin AUR yake ba, wanda nake shakka 😀
Matsalar ita ce, kamar yadda na fahimta, Elementary OS yana samun kyan gani da jin ta hanyar gyara lambar a cikin wasu fakiti da ƙara wasu aikace-aikace.
Game da gyaran fakitoci akwai, misali, sanannen "Nautilus elementary" (wanda ya haifar da shaharar wannan aikin); Ba taken gtk bane kuma ba Nautilus "Gui" bane, amma gyare-gyare ne ga kodinsa wanda ya ƙare da sake tsara ayyukanta da abubuwanta, yana ba shi sabon yanayi (kuma don da yawa mafi kyau) da kuma sauƙaƙa ayyukansa. Kuma game da ƙara sabbin aikace-aikace, sun ƙirƙiri da yawa kamar Dexter da Postler.
Amma Shell, kamar yadda na fahimce shi, yana aiki ta wata hanyar daban, tunda ba ya canza fakitin aikace-aikacen ko ƙara wasu aikace-aikacen, amma yana jawo musayar tattaunawa tare da masu amfani da aikace-aikacen da yake iya hulɗa da su (idan shirye-shiryenta suna ba shi damar.).
Wataƙila na yi kuskure (kuma zan yi farin ciki idan za ku gyara ni idan haka ne) amma ina tsammanin kasancewa abubuwa daban-daban, aikin hawan hawan nesa ba da zama harsashi ko yanayin tebur ba, tunda ba ma mai sarrafa taga kamar , misali, Haskakawa.
Na gode.
Na yi amfani da kalmar Shell a matsayin misali. A bayyane yake cewa ElementaryOS ba Shell bane kuma ba zaiyi aiki azaman Shell ba. Na faɗi haka ne don ku iya tunanin wani abu wanda ke gudana akan rarraba ba tare da dogaro da shi ba.
A kowane hali, wanda yakamata ya zama mai cikawa ba rarraba ba shine Linux Mint
http://www.com-sl.org/comparando-linux-mint-y-elementaryos.html
Ba magana ɗaya muke magana ba, kodayake shi ma yana iya zama.
Da kyau, ina tsammanin sharhin Burjans yana da ma'ana. Idan kun ƙara wuraren ajiyar Mint zuwa nau'in sigar da ya dace na ubuntu kuma saita shi, kun riga kun sami Mint. Kuma idan kun ƙara wajan LMDE zuwa Debian kuma saita ɗan daidaita, dama kuna da LMDE (mai sauƙin yi ko a'a, ba matsala, kawai ina cewa yana yiwuwa). Ina tsammanin ba zai zama da wahala a shigar da hakan a matsayin "haɓaka wani abu ba." Idan Mint ta samar da wuraren ajiya tare da fakitin da aka shigar dasu zuwa wasu harkalla zai iya samun sakamako makamancin haka, ko kuwa nayi kuskure?
A game da Elementary ina tsammanin ba zai zama daban ba.
Mutum, amma idan muka dube shi ta wannan hanyar, me yasa Ubuntu ba kawai ƙungiyar fakitin da aka ƙara zuwa Debian ba? 😀
Ina ganin ya banbanta, tunda kamar yadda kuka sani ne, bai isa ba a kara wa Ubuntu ajiya a Debian, don samun Ubuntu, tunda wannan ba ya dogara da daya daga cikin cigaban cigaban tsarin Debian kamar haka, amma a cikin lambar fiye da ɗaya zagaye (gabaɗaya haɗa sid da gwaji). Wannan shine dalilin da ya sa Debian repos bai bayyana (kuma a zahiri basu dace da juna ba) a cikin sifofin Ubuntu.
Kuna iya ƙara Pan PPAs zuwa Debian tare da kyakkyawan sakamako, amma ba zai yuwu ba (tare da kyakkyawan sakamako) a ƙara wajan Ubuntu na hukuma. Hakanan bazai yiwu ba (tare da sakamako mai kyau) don ƙara ɗakunan ajiya zuwa Ubuntu.
Tabbas Canonical distro ya dogara ne akan Debian kuma bazai iya zama ba, kamar yadda yake, ba tare da shi ba. Amma wannan dogaro baya aiki azaman "cikawa."
A game da Linux mint (kuma wataƙila kuma tare da Elemntary OS) hanyar su ta dogara da Ubuntu ya bambanta, tunda ba sa yin aiki tare da wuraren da ke tsara tushen ɓarna, amma suna ƙara wasu, suna haɓakawa da haɓaka hanyoyinsu da ayyuka (amma ba maye gurbin ko sake gina tushe ba). saboda haka ana iya ɗaukar wannan a matsayin mai dacewa.
Idan ba haka ba, to da bai zama dole Mint ta haɓaka reshe kamar LMDE (wanda bai dace da LM ba). Hakanan, saboda irin dalilan da aka zayyana a cikin sakin layi na baya, za a iya fahimtar LMDE a matsayin Debian "add-on" ...: ko kuma kuna, a wani lokaci, ba a ƙara wa LMDE ajiyar kuɗin debian ɗinku ba tare da wata matsala ba?
Ina fatan kun sami damar yin bayani a kaina kuma ba a fahimci tsokacina ba a matsayin kariya ta rashin tunani na Ubuntu, mafi ƙarancin rashin cancantar LM, saboda a zahiri abin da LM ya yi yana da kyau a gare ni: duka a cikin babban sigarta, kamar yadda a cikin LMDE Na yi amfani da biyu a lokuta da dama).
Kowane distro yana da manufofinta da hanyoyin cimma su; kuma kowane mai amfani yana da buƙatunsa, tsammaninsu da yuwuwar amfani da gamsuwa. A halin da nake ciki, ba ni da alaƙa da duk wani ɓarna da na yi amfani da shi, kuma ban ji daɗin ɗayansu ba, ko dai.
Na gode.
Sharhin ku ya fi bayyane, amma a lokaci guda ana fara canza kunshin gama gari don aiki a cikin LM, yana rabuwa da Ubuntu. Menene zai iya zama mafita? Misali, idan Mint ya gyara kunshin, sai a kara shi a Ubuntu repo kuma shi ke nan, amma yin wannan, ya dace da maslahohin kowane distro don aikin kunshin, na iya rikici da ɗayansu. Ban sani ba ko abin da nake ƙoƙarin faɗi a bayyane yake. Menene ƙari, Na sanya shi a cikin misali:
A ce LM yana buƙatar kunshin: gnome2-ubuntu.deb (ƙage ne misali). Da wannan kunshin LM din zaka iya gudanar da MATE akan LM 12. Koyaya, tunda Ubuntu yana amfani da Gnome3 da Unity, akwai yiwuwar wannan kunshin yayi rikici da gnome2-ubuntu.deb, kuma anan ne mugayen ƙa'idodi suke, saboda Ubuntu ba zai je ba don haɗawa a cikin wuraren ajiyar ku kuma Mint yana buƙatar shi. Anan ne suke fara rabuwa azaman rarrabawa.
+1
😀
Mutum, Mint yayi kamar yana gyara kwari da yawa na Winb, Nace Ubuntu
@Courage Tranqui tare da Ubunchu na, da zaku fara samun matsala da ni kuma banda cikakken bayani 😉
ina tsammani wannan zai zama kyakkyawan karatu ga wasu masu amfani a nan .. ¬¬
Hahahaha, idan da tuni ya ci karo da ita.
Akwai yanayi da lokuta, da na yi amfani da su, (a cikin wancan) waɗannan masu rarraba: Mandriva, Kubuntu, Fedora, Archlinux, Ubuntu, LMDE da PcLInuxOS, ba tare da kirga lokutan da "na tafi na koma ga kowane ɗayansu ba" . Na kuma yi amfani da KDE, XFCE, Gnome da LXDE, (OpenBox kawai akan LivesCDs), kuma ya kasance, idan na tuna daidai, kusan shekaru 5 (masu farin ciki da kyakkyawa) tun lokacin da na shiga "Linux", don haka idan ban da ' t na gwada tukuna, ina tsammanin na riga na sami damar yin cikakken bayani game da duk waɗannan zaɓuɓɓukan.
A yau, na kasance cikin Ubuntusers kuma ina jin daɗi sosai a wannan lokacin, wa ya san abin da sabon ko tsoho mai tayar da hankali zai dawo kan PC-lap ɗina a cikin daysan kwanaki, watanni ko shekaru. Kowane rarrabuwa yana da abubuwan birgewa da abubuwan takaici kuma zan iya cewa zanyi duk sun birge ni, tabbas nima ina da wadanda nake so, Arch, Ubuntu da Fedora, kuma dangane da Unity, Gnome2 da KDE4 "yanayin", kuma a cikin wannan tsari ;-)
Da kaina, tsattsauran ra'ayi wanda wani lokacin muke nuna shi ta hanyar "X" ko abu shine saboda babbar buƙata da mutane zasu ji cewa mu na wani abu ne ko na wasu rukuni, ƙabila, da dai sauransu. Don haka abin fahimta ne a nuna wannan halayyar wacce a wasu lokuta kan shafi tsattsauran ra'ayi.
Na gode.
@Bbchausa Na yarda da kai ta hanyar ganin banbancin hargitsi (a matsayin damar zabi, sanin cewa kowannensu yana da "fara'a da bacin rai").
(Af, na kuma sami hanyar girmamawa na bayyana ra'ayin ku ya dace sosai)
gaisuwa
@ goma sha uku Hahaha, mintina 5 ne na lucidity yayin aiki 😛
Kyakkyawan ra'ayi, na metadistros a gare ni mafi kyawun mafita wanda za'a iya yi, kawai ƙara addan ma'aji kuma hakane.
Na yarda zai iya kasancewa wani yanayi ne na karin tebur guda daya wanda zamu iya amfani dashi a kowane yanki
a nawa bangare, nayi amfani da duk wasu kayan masarufi na Linux wadanda na samu labarai akansu, suna neman wanda ya dace da ni kuma yake aiki a wurina. Babbar matsala ta game da Linux gabaɗaya ita ce fucking video drivers (musamman nvidia) yayin amfani da allon sama da ɗaya, lokacin da yakamata in sabunta kernel, dole ne ku sake tattarawa kuma ku gyara fulog xorg kuma hakan yana buƙatar lokaci wanda tuni ina ba.
Amma lokacin da na gano cewa eOS distro ya shirya sai na girka shi nan da nan kuma abin mamaki shine na saita fuskokin uku da nake amfani dasu lokacin shiga zanen zane mai zane kuma ba tare da sanya wani ƙarin kunshin fucking ba. Na gwada w8 kuma me kuke tsammani, wea ya kamu.
Na tsinci kaina tare da Linux albarkacin wannan distro din da yake OS, koda kuwa ya dogara ne akan Ubuntu, ana iya shigar da kunshinsa a cikin wasu masarrafar don su zama kamar ElementaryOS, amma ba haka bane kuma nace shi bisa la'akari da shekaru ta amfani da Linux tun daga farkon hargitsi na farko da nayi amfani da shi, wanda shine Mandrake kuma daga baya ya zama Mandriva, Red-Hat - Fedora, Devian - Ubuntu - Kubuntu da duk ... buntus, Mint da yawa cewa akwai, wasu kamar Backtrack - Kali, da ƙari da yawa. Akwai wanda bai daɗe ba kuma yana da kyau a ƙarfafa waɗanda kawai suka san MS zuwa duniyar Linux kuma wannan shine Lindows, ba zai iya cin nasara ba abin takaici, fucking MS.
Kwanan nan na girka wannan tsarin aiki a kwamfutar tafi-da-gidanka kuma wani abu mai matukar ban sha'awa ya same ni, lokacin da na yi amfani da shi haɗe da caja tsarin yana aiki lami lafiya kuma daidai amma lokacin da na cire shi daga cajar sai tsarin ya zama mai jinkiri kuma ya rasa komai na ruwa. Shin wani zai taimake ni?