Labari biyu a cikin ɗaya, waɗanda suke da alaƙa da tsarin

Labari a phoronix yi sharhi cewa yana cigaba muhawarar debian game da abin da za a yi da tsarin tsarin ku. Na dogon lokaci akwai muryoyin da ke kira don sabuntawa da kuma kawar da tsohuwar sysvinit. Kuma a cikin waɗannan muryoyin akwai adawa tsakanin waɗanda suka goyi bayan tsari, waɗanda suka goyi bayan farawa da (ƙalilan, ƙalilan) waɗanda ke goyon bayan buɗe ……… ..kuma ba sa son tallafawa fiye da ɗaya.

Tattaunawar tana da zafi kuma yana kama da hada littafi mai girma da yawa (suna bi ta cikin 2500 saƙonni, kuma an bude wannan kwaro kawai 2 watanni da suka gabata!!!). systemd yana da tallafi ta hanyar yawancin distros da sukayi ƙaura cikin nasara (Fedora, Arch, OpenSuse, da dai sauransu), amma mabiyanta sunyi nadamar cewa Debian dole ne ya kula da sigar don kwayar FreeBSD, inda ba a shigar da tsarin ba (haka kuma Lennart ba ya nufin shigo da shi). Abin da aka aika zuwa FreeBSD shine OpenRC (a zahiri tashar jiragen ruwa zuwa Debian KFreeBSD ta sami nasara), amma Gentoo ne kawai da dangoginsu ke amfani dashi (banda Sabayon wanda yake amfani da systemd). Kuma Upstart, yana da fa'idar zuwa daga ƙetaren (Ubuntu da dangoginsa da kuma Chrome OS), amma ya faɗi ƙasa idan aka kwatanta shi da tsarin. Kuma idan zuwa wannan mun ƙara tattaunawar a waje da jerin Debian, daga cikinsu akwai Ra'ayin Lennart y Patrick Lauer Amsawa (ga Lennart), duk wani harshen wuta yana da ƙarami idan aka kwatantashi.

Hakanan labarai ne a cikin phoronix cewa tuni akwai ra'ayoyi a cikin kwamitin fasaha na Debian. A wani gefen shine Yan Jackson (Debian mai kula daemon) wanda ke goyon bayan Upstart. Ya dauke shi ne don karancinsa, don kasancewa mafi dacewa cikin lambar aljanu, don sauƙin ɗaukar abubuwa, da karamar al'umma mai girman kai (a cewarsa) kuma don kasancewa a shirye da zaɓaɓɓu don Jessie (OpenRC bai riga ya fara ba). Hakanan yana nuna cewa rashin fa'ida kamar rashin IPv6 da kunnawa na UDP ko kunnawa da yawa baya buƙatar yanke shawara na tsari mai wahala sabili da haka za'a iya warware shi cikin sauƙi.

Kuma a daya bangaren shine Rasha allbery wanda yake goyon bayan tsarin: Da farko kuna tunanin cewa OpenRC shine mafi mahimmancin madadin kuma ba kwa son damuwa da kwari kamar rashin haɗin kai tare da abubuwan da ke faruwa a matakin kernel ko dogaro akan rubutun harsashi fiye da tsarin gabatarwa. Dangane da gudanar da sabis, kunna soket ya fito waje (ba wai kawai ya fara su bane amma yayi shi a layi daya), hadewar matsayin daemon (ya cika fiye da yadda yake a sama) da kuma zurfin tsaro. Har ila yau ka tuna da hakan Debian tuni tana amfani da systemd (musamman ma'ana) don takamaiman aikace-aikace kamar udev da gnome (wanda sigar 3.8 ta riga ta fara gwaji) kuma kun riga kun tanadi shirin ƙaura.

Kuma game da batun ɗaukar hoto, masu son tsari akan LWN.net suna cewa «Babu wata manhaja ta tafi da gidanka, akwai kawai software da aka ɗora.Ina nufin, ko dai masu jigilar Debian don kFreeBSD da Hurd sun sa shi aiki, ko kuma za su ji kunya. Kuma wannan zaɓi na biyu yayi nauyi tun (a cewar popcon) kawai kashi 0,09% na masu amfani da Debian ke da kwayar FreeBSD.

A halin yanzu, mai haɓaka KWin Martin Gräßlin yana bin tattaunawar akan Debian da na faɗa musu, kuma yana son kwatancen Russ Allbery tsakanin tsarin aiki da gaba da kuma tsokaci akan asusun google + da yake niyyar yi hade systemd zuwa Plasma, kuma ba zato ba tsammani cewa duk wani yanayi da ke amfani da Wayland an wuce shi zuwa tsari. Musamman kuna son amfani da kunna soket don fara zaman KWin ku.

Kirista Loosli ya yi tambaya cewa KDE ba shi da babban dogaro. Martin ya amsa cewa KDE yana da dogaro sosai musamman akan QT, amma faɗakar da shi, kawai suna son shi ne don sifofin da basa cikin OpenRC ko a cikin Upstart, amma mafi mahimmanci saboda suna son KDE ya dogara da kdbus (mai binciken sabis d-bas dinka aikin da ke neman hade d-bas zuwa kwaya) wanda ya riga ya dogara da tsarin. Hakanan ya ce kada ku damu da tsarin farawa domin wannan zai kasance mai zaman kansa ne ko kuna amfani da OpenRC ko SysVInit (A zahiri, Gentoo yana amfani da tsari koda yake asalinsa shine OpenRC. Don haka "kada a sami matsala game da Debian"). Bayan haka Eric Hameleers (memba ne na Slackware coreteam) wanda ke gunaguni cewa suna son zaɓar fasahohin da kawai na Linux ne (kuma batun ɗaukar kaya). Martin ya ce ka karanta bayanan tatsuniyoyin ƙarya da Lennart ya rubuta. Wannan ya amince da Martin.

Me kuke tunani game da panorama? Labarai na gaba da zan yi shine labarin game da tsari, Zan yi shi azaman labarin wasan ƙwallon ƙafa.

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  1.   maras wuya m

    Ba tare da kirga cewa uku daga cikin wadanda suka kada kuri'ar goyon baya ba, biyu ma'aikata ne masu bada umarni da kuma wani tsohon ma'aikaci.

    Tsakanin Upstar / Systemd da Mir / Waylad da alama akwai wata gasa mai rikitarwa tsakanin software da Canonical ta ƙirƙiro da kuma wacce Red Hat ke haɓaka (da sauransu)

  2.   rolo m

    Ina ganin yana da kyau cewa ana tattauna aiwatar da tsari ko sama ko OpenRC a cikin Debian. A bayyane yake cewa sysvinit yana zuwa ƙarshen babban zagaye kuma a takaice ina tsammanin ba za a sami matsala ba don ci gaba da amfani da sysvinit a cikin KFreeBSD da Hurd yayin da ɗayan waɗannan hanyoyin ake aiwatarwa a cikin Linux.
    A ƙarshen rana Hurd ya fara sarrafawa don tallafawa diski na sata, usb, sauran ɓangarorin da ba ext2 ba, goyon bayan sauti, gine-ginen 64-bit, da sauran abubuwa. don haka tallafawa tsarin ko farawa shine a ƙasan jerin abubuwan fifiko. Ina tsammanin KFreeBSD zai sami matsala kaɗan don tallafawa shi.

    akan batun tsari ko upstart da alama tsarin yana da wata fa'ida
    dabara kuma wannan matakin yana da sa'a don kamarsa da ubuntu kuma ba wani ba.

  3.   mayan m

    Yana da kyau labarin diazepan game da halinda ake ciki yanzu na tsari a Debian kuma don gano kadan, tunda akwai wasu hargitsi da yawa da suke amfani da wannan mai gabatarwar (Siduction, wanda shine DEBIAN, tuni yana aiwatar dashi). A matsayinka na ɗan Debian yana ganinsa daga waje, lokaci zuwa lokaci yana gulma a cikin fagen jarumi ARCH.
    Aiwatarwa har ma da mahimmancin ra'ayi a gare ni: Shin tsarin ne? Daga cikin abubuwa da yawa yana ba da damar saurin tsarin yayin aiwatar da matakai a layi daya?
    Kasancewarta uwa ga yawancin rikice-rikice da haɗuwa da TSARO ya kamata su ɗauki kowane lokaci a cikin duniya don tattauna shi (ko kuma aƙalla kafin Jessie daskarewa)

    PS: Idan sunanka ba IAN bane, shin bazakayi aikin DEBIAN bane? xd

  4.   talakawa taku m

    Kasancewar na debian (kuma abubuwanda muke amfani dasu) mafi yawan kayan da akafi amfani dasu, daukar kaya da kuma yanci yana da mahimmanci, amma ni dan kawai mai koyo ne na shirye-shiryen GNU don haka bazan iya kasancewa cikin wadannan tattaunawar ba tukuna.
    Ana sa ran ep na gaba, karanta wannan ya kasance mai nishaɗi

  5.   Fernando m

    Labari mai ban sha'awa.
    Ina so in yi sharhi kan abubuwa biyu. Na farko shi ne cewa idan aka saki tsari a ƙarƙashin sharuɗɗan LGPL, umarnin Poettering don kada a tura shi zuwa tsarin da ba na Linux ba ba shi da daraja. Kowa na iya yin hakan saboda lasisin yana ba da izinin hakan
    Game da KDBUS, ba aikin KDE bane amma maimakon aiwatar da DBUS a cikin kernel ɗin Linux.

    Na yi imanin cewa, kasancewar ni mai amfani da Ubuntu daga 6.06 zuwa 10.10 kuma yau kasancewa mai amfani da Arch tun ƙarshen Disamba 2010, tsarin ya fi Upstart. Canji daga sysvinit yana da sauƙi kuma koya don sarrafa tsarin yana da sauƙi.

    1.    kunun 92 m

      Abin da ya kamata ku yi shi ne daina yin yanar gizo! Har yanzu ina tuna babban kwalliyar pulseaudio da wahalar da ta haifar mana da masu layin a farkon shekaru, kuma daga ƙarshe an sadaukar da ita ne don ɗora kayan aiki zuwa wasu abubuwa marasa kyau.

    2.    ƙũra m

      Matsalar shigar da tsarin tsarin zuwa wasu tsarin shine cewa babu kayan more rayuwa a cikin wadancan kwayayen tunda ko babu wasu abubuwan da ake bukata ko kuma makamantansu wadanda zasu iya maye gurbinsu a aikace. Systemirƙirar tsarin zuwa kfreebsd zai buƙaci ɗaukar sauran abubuwan haɗi kuma, galibi cgroups. A takaice dai, a cewar Lenart, kamar yin ƙoƙarin saukar da jirgin sama ne a cikin ƙasar da babu filayen jirgin sama. a ganina ya kamata su yi amfani da openCR don sauran kernels kuma su bar tsarin akan Linux, ba zai iya zama cewa an yanke hukuncin 99.1% na masu amfani don amfani da ƙarancin mafita na 0.9% ba. ba tare da ambaton cewa kfreebsd da hurd sun riga sun yi amfani da daidaitawa daban-daban fiye da sigar Linux

  6.   zipr m

    […] The FreeBSD kwaya, inda ba a shigar da tsarin ba (kuma ba za a shigar da shi ba, ta hanyar ba da umarnin Lennart Poettering) […]

    Shin kuna da wata tushe / mahada don wannan oda? Domin a gani na Systemd GNU ne, kuma in dai har ya zama kyauta babu wanda ya yi oda. Ina ganin abin da ya fada shi ne cewa ba zai yi wannan aikin da kansa ba, yana aiki ne kawai ga GNU / Linux, shi ya sa abin da kuka rubuta a cikin labarin labarai yake ba da gaske ba, kamar Poettering ya zama dodo ko wani abu.

    1.    diazepam m

      Na riga na gyara shi, amma a. Lennart ya ce ba zai yiwu a shigar da tsarin tsarin zuwa BSD ba kuma ba za su yarda da faci ba don sanya shi a wajan BSD ko Hurd ba (yana cikin bayanan).
      https://plus.google.com/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/8RmiAQsW9qf

  7.   Christopher m

    Da kyau, idan dai a bayyane ne ga mai amfani, ban damu da abin da ke damuna ba shine wutar ta shafi kowa, da alama kowa ya auri fasaha kuma bai ga wacce ta fi kyau ba

  8.   Christopher m

    Kaico da faɗan yaƙin na gama zama mai fasaha yayin zaɓar.

  9.   AdrianArroyoStreet m

    A ganina ya kamata ku dogara sosai gwargwadon iko kan ɗayan ko ɗaya aiwatarwar. Na faɗi wannan don KDE. Ya kamata su kiyaye dogaro zuwa mafi ƙaranci. Kuma game da Debian, wataƙila Upstart ya fi sauƙin aiwatarwa tunda Ubuntu yana da shi kuma adadin ƙananan kwari zai ragu; kuma idan ya cancanta, tsarin koyaushe ana iya kashe shi kamar yadda aka nuna a cikin labarin.

    1.    ƙũra m

      abin da ya faru shi ne cewa abin da ake so ba "dogaro" ba ne kamar haka. abin da kuke so shi ne yin amfani da wasu halaye waɗanda ta hanyar alheri ko masifa. kawai tsarin da aka bayar kuma yake farawa saboda dalilai na ƙira yana da wuya a aiwatar da abu ɗaya a irin wannan hanyar (misali yana da riga yana da kunnawa na kwasfa, amma yana da iyakantacce kuma baya bada izinin aiki na daidaitaccen tsari wanda yakamata ya zama dalilin kasancewa na kwasfa) don haka ba haka ya dogara ba, shine cewa kuna son yin mafi kyawun yanki na softare mai yuwuwa kuma har zuwa yau ko akwai wasu hanyoyi ko ma ayyukan da suke samar da iri ɗaya. misali gnome. gnome ba bisa hukuma ya dogara da hankali ba. gnome ya dogara da wasu hanyoyin musayar dbus waɗanda kawai ana samar dasu ta hanyar hankali ko kayan wasan bidiyo a halin yanzu. Conleklekit ya lalace kuma ya watsar kuma loggind ya dogara da tsarin. amma ba wanda ya hana ɓangare na uku daga haɓaka daemon ko tsari don samar da hanyoyin kdbus iri ɗaya don amfani da gnome, wannan shine yadda a cikin openBSD suke da nome 3.10 duk da cewa babu bsd da dbus ko systemd.

  10.   Alex m

    Da kaina, bayan motsawa daga Arch zuwa tsari, Na lura da babban cigaba dangane da saurin farawa

  11.   Tesla m

    Ina tsammanin waɗannan tattaunawar na masu haɓakawa ne. Gaskiyar ita ce ban san bambancin da ke akwai tsakanin ɗaya da ɗayan ba, kuma ina tsammanin cewa ga masu amfani da shi bai dace ba. Na haɗu da tsarin Manjaro kuma ban sami ingantaccen aiki akan Debian ba ko mafi munin aiki. Don haka ban sani ba…

    Duk da haka dai, bari muyi fatan an gama komai, ban san wane zaɓi bane. LOL

    Na gode!

  12.   sarfaraz m

    Ni ina goyon bayan tsari tunda kiyaye kfreebsd wanda kusan Debian masu amfani da shi basa amfani a gare ni.

    1.    sarfaraz m

      Hakanan saboda yadda tsarin yake da sauƙin amfani da kuma ingantaccen cigaban da yake kawowa: D.

    2.    kunun 92 m

      Tare da wannan hanyar tunani, babu wani kamfani da zai goyi bayan Linux xD

  13.   geronimo m

    Ba na amfani da Debian amma ina fatan za su zabi tsari, fiye da komai don saukin amfani da shi "ban da sanin wani abu game da shi" ^^

  14.   Toyerd 24 m

    Me ya sa Ubuntu ya zaɓi Upstart kuma bai ɗauki matakin tare da tsari ba, wanda a ra'ayin mutane da yawa ake ganin ya fi kyau? Gaisuwa.

    1.    maras wuya m

      Upstart fasaha ce ta canonical (suna son amfani da nasu software) kuma sun riga sun tsara tsarin shekaru 4 ina tsammanin.

  15.   atsarkarin7 m

    Tsara tsarin mutuwa xD

  16.   gallu m

    Debian yana da mahimman abubuwa biyu: kwanciyar hankali da gama gari, a zahiri, daga can ne tallafinta yake zuwa ga mafi bambancin gine-gine da ayyukan hurd da freebsd. Ra'ayina shine yakamata su jinkirta yanke shawara zuwa sakin da zai biyo baya kuma su sadaukar da kansu ga OpenRC, wanda zai iya gujewa waɗannan tattaunawar.

  17.   mai bin hanya m

    Daga fayil na na ce, tsarin yana da alama mafi ƙarfi madadin, duk da haka, tare da albarkatun da yakamata su samu, saboda basuyi la’akari da shi ba

    "Kasancewa mai son OpenRc ba a bayyana shi ba, ya yi nadama"

  18.   kwari m

    [+ 10]
    Na zabi tarihin ga na gaba!
    Ni ba mai amfani ba ne wanda ya san kalmomin da aka yi amfani da su, amma har ma ga mutanen da muka sani kaɗan yana da ban sha'awa da mahimmanci a ga yadda tattaunawa irin wannan ta bunkasa.

    Menene zai fifita, dimokiradiyya, sha'awar wasu kamfani, ko gaskiyar zaɓi ɗaya wanda a halin yanzu yafi dacewa da manufofin Debian?

  19.   Tauraruwa m

    Daga abin da na sami damar karantawa, kuma a matsayina na mai tsara shirye-shirye, zan iya cewa tsarin da aka ci gaba ya fi na yanzu ci gaba.

    Yana sarrafa farawar sabis ne kawai lokacin da ake buƙatarsu (rage lokacin loda tsarin), haka nan yana ƙoƙari ya maye gurbin rubutun don fassara (ban kwana ga jinkirin .sh) kuma kuma akwai fa'idar cgroups, wanda mai gudanarwa ke gudanarwa da shi. Tsarin yana da cikakken iko akan duk abin da aka saki.

    Idan akwai wani abu da na tsana da gaske shine hada siyasa da dabara ..., idan akwai wasu dalilai na fasaha don amfani da wani abu, to bai kamata a bari ta kowace hanya ba cewa ana muhawara ta hanyar batutuwan da suka shafi muradun kasuwanci ko kuma saboda son kai, dalilai kawai ya kamata ya ci gaba da dabaru, kuma a cikin wannan tsarin akwai hanya gaba da farawa a ganina.

  20.   thorzan m

    Ban fahimci yawancin waɗannan batutuwa masu ci gaba ba, amma tattaunawar tana da daɗi kuma an faɗi ta sosai. Muna son ƙari!

  21.   kari m

    Idan kun tambaye ni: Systemd. Arch ya nuna mani cewa yana da daraja amfani kuma yana da sauri fiye da takwarorinsa.

  22.   Bakan gizo_fly m

    Iyakance .. iyakance shi zuwa saurin (tunda bani da ilimin fasaha sosai)
    Ubuntu yakamata yayi amfani da Upstart dama? Farawar Ubuntu a koyaushe yana da jinkiri sosai, yana tunatar da ni windows a wasu lokuta, tare da faifan a tsakiya da kuma tare da tsohuwar kwamfuta, dukansu sun ɗauki fara farawa sosai don in zuba soda in dawo ... maimakon amfani da Archlinux tare da Tsarin Kwamfuta yana kunnawa da sauri fiye da duk wanda na gani a sauran rayuwata xD (Ba na ƙara gishiri ba), duk lokacin da wani yake son amfani da shi ba sa tsammanin fara da sauri hahahaha

  23.   ƙũra m

    kdebus ba daga kde bane, aiki ne na kafuwar freeesktop wanda manufar sa shine hade d-bus a cikin kernel don magance wasu kurakurai da Linux ke dashi a matakin gudanarwa. Amma abin da kuke so shi ne ƙirƙirar kayan aikin software da yawa waɗanda aka tsara don aiki tare don haɓaka tsaro da sandbox.

    1.    diazepam m

      an riga an gyara.