A yau karanta RSS na sami labari mai ban sha'awa cewa Blog Ganin Mai Sanarwa, kuma shine a cikin Manjaro Community an ƙaddamar da nau'ikan ISO da yawa tare da abubuwan da ba sa amfani da su Tsarin kamar init, kuma BuɗeRC, tsarin fara amfani dashi Gentoo.
Ban sani ba game da kai, amma taken Systemd ya riga ya taɓa kwallaye na da yawa, kuma yayin da nake karantawa, ina ƙara fahimtar cewa duk da cewa ga mai amfani na ƙarshe (ko saboda yawancin) ba ya wakiltar wani abu da ya dace, aƙalla ni Ba na son hanyar da wannan yake ɗauka Na yi imanin cewa lokacin baƙar fata yana zuwa a cikin duniyar GNU / Linux, inda cokula da baƙin ciki za su ɓarke ko da a cikin hamada.
Amma bari mu sauka ga kasuwanci. A cikin tattaunawar Manjaro da suka buga, kamar yadda na faɗi a baya, wasu isos ɗin da OpenRC ke amfani da su. Kuma ga waɗanda suke jin tsoron girka waɗannan sifofin, na bar bidiyo akan yadda ake yinta.
Zazzage ISOs tare da OpenRC
ISO na farko da zamu gani shine sigar NetInstall. Wannan ISO yana da halaye masu zuwa:
- Dangane da bayanan Manjaro-Net (ba a riga an riga an shigar da Mahalli na Desktop ba)
- Dangane da reshen gwaji.
- Direbobi ne kawai masu kyauta
- Yi amfani da jerin kernel na 3.14 na Linux
- Baya amfani da Plymouth
- An gwada shi a cikin Virtualbox
Za'a iya zaɓar yare a farkon ta latsa maɓallin F2. Da zarar an gama aikin taya za mu sami faɗakarwa, inda za mu yi amfani da su don samun dama:
- Mai amfani: tushen
- Kalmar wucewa: manjaro
Don fara shigarwa kamar yadda aka nuna a bidiyon da ta gabata, za mu rubuta:
setup
Hanyoyin haɗin yanar gizo don zazzage ISOs
manjaro-net-0.8.11-openrc-i686.iso (32 kaɗan)
(md5sum: 80be54ecfb0360b2a8e544344f72113c)
manjaro-net-0.8.11-openrc-x86_64.iso (64 kaɗan)
(md5sum: ef205f70f3b3428545fdf1420db10b74)
Umarnin Bayan-Shigarwa
en el Manjaro forum Suna ba mu wasu bayanai don Sanya Bayan aikawa:
Muna kara ma'ajiyar bude-eudev bayan wadannan umarnin.
1) Muna ƙara waɗannan masu zuwa a ƙarshen /etc/pacman.conf
[openrc-eudev] SigLevel = Zabin TrustAll Server = http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/mefiles/Manjaro/$repo/$arch
Muna ƙarawa da shigo da maɓallan:
sudo pacman-key -r 518B147D sudo pacman-key --lsign-key 518B147D
2) Mun sabunta tsarin
sudo pacman -Syu
3) Mun shigar da yanayin da muke so, misali yana amfani dashi lxde
sudo pacman -S lxde
Za a iya samun bayanai kan shigar da Yanayin Desktop a cikin wiki.
4) Mun sanya Manajan Zama:
sudo pacman -S lxdm -consolekit
5) Mun sanya wasu kunshin kamar applet don networkmanager
sudo pacman -S cibiyar sadarwa-manajan-applet
6) Mun sake kunna tsarin
sudo sake yi
Ina tsammanin ya tafi ba tare da faɗi cewa saboda wannan muna buƙatar haɗa mu da Intanet ta hanyar kebul ba. Idan muna amfani da WiFi, za ku ga yadda ake yin sa a ciki wannan haɗin.
Manajaro ISOs tare da OpenRC da OpenBox
Game da Openbox ISO, wasu abubuwa dole ne a kula dasu:
- Babban haƙiƙa shine yin shigarwa tsari sauki kuma ba da izini kafa a hanya zane cibiyar sadarwar (ta amfani da waidan) da kuma raba ta amfani GParted a zabi.
- Kanfigareshan ya hada da Openbox WM, LXTerminal, PCMan da Mai Binciken Yanar Gizon NetSurf (bincika bayani a cikin wiki o google), da dai sauransu.
- Yi amfani da mai saka kayan wasan bidiyo.
Lissafin don saukar da ISO tare da OpenRC:
manjaro-openbox-openrc-2014-11-13-i686.iso (32 kaɗan)
(md5sum: 9be7e75c75ab296f955a3396386c4764)
manjaro-openbox-openrc-2014-11-13-x86_64.iso (64 kaɗan)
(md5sum: 07fd57df022118dfc9e2794a0ca3d26e)
Manjaro XFCE ISO tare da OpenRC
Gwaji kawai kuma don rago 64, akwai kuma ISO tare da XFCE:
manjaro-xfce-openrc-2014-11-14-x86_64.iso (64 kaɗan)
(md5sum: e132f294f2ffd99c6cbc371d1e7a6d72)
Kuna da gaskiya, batun tsarin da aka fara bayarwa wani abu ne tunda OpenRC shine magajin halitta ga halin yanzu. Za mu ga inda wannan labarin ya ƙare.
"Kodayake ga mai amfani na karshe (ko kuma da yawa) ba ya wakiltar duk wani abin da ya dace"
Ina tsammanin iri ɗaya ne, bai dace ba saboda a matsayin masu amfani bai shafe mu ba a cikin aikin OS da kansa.
A zahiri, babba kawai (debian), ya ba da labarai game da "abin kunya" akan batun, kuma kodayake sun ce akwai wasu dalilai, duk masu alaƙa da tsari (kuma bai kamata ba).
Sauran manyan hargitsi, ba su da matsala (ko kuma aƙalla an bayyana su da fitila da tocila), Fedora, Ubuntu da OpenSUSE.
Yana ba ni ra'ayi cewa yaƙi ne tsakanin masu shirye-shirye, tunda misali bude 13.2 yana da kyakkyawar yarda / zargi kuma babu wanda ke cikin bita da yayi magana akan tsari (koda kuwa zai kafa muhawara),
Yanzu me yasa duk wata hargitsi ta tafiya daga tsari zuwa OpenRC, idan a ƙarshe bai shafe su ba.
Da kaina, abin da ke cikin tsari ya sa ni cikin damuwa, Ina da rashin tsaro, kyakkyawan matsayi.
A Fedora akwai wata muhawara game da tsari lokacin da aka yanke shawarar sanya shi kamar yadda yake, akwai wasu masu ƙyamar tsarin, galibi saboda ba su yarda da amfani da shi azaman tsari ba saboda sabo ne kuma yana da lahani da yawa, amma, Yawancin manyan mashahuran suna kan babbar ƙungiyar ci gaba kuma suna da alaƙa da tsari, don haka maye gurbin Upstart don tsari alama ce ta wasu tilastawa, ban da batun cewa Upstart ci gaban Ubuntu ne kuma yana da CLA Fuskantar da shi, wanda a ƙarshe ya taimaki kowa ya karɓi tsari ba tare da tambaya ba. OpenRC ba ta cikin tambaya a lokacin, saboda ba ta da yawancin abubuwan da take da su a yanzu, gami da daidaitawa da tallafin cgroup.
Babban labari! wani binary distro da zai saki openrc… .kama kamar baiwar Allah ce.
Hanya ce da yakamata archlinux ya bi tun daga farko, Ina tuna lokacin da yakamata in goyi bayan archlinux don zuwa tsarin. Yanzu ina da damar sake gwada binary distro tare da openrc + eudev wanda shine ainihin abin da nake amfani da shi anan gentoo.
Na gode sosai mutane daga Manjaro !!!
# eix -Ic budewa
[I] sys-apps / openrc (0.13.6@24/11/14): OpenRC ke gudanar da ayyuka, farawa da rufewa na mai gida
# eix -Ic eudev
[I] sys-fs / eudev (2.1.1@31/10/14): Linux mai kuzari da ci gaba mai suna mai goyan bayan suna (aka userspace devfs)
Godiya ga bayanin, bayani!
Na yarda da ra'ayinku game da tsarin kuma ni ma ina damuwa game da gararin da Linux ya ɗauka tun bayyanar wannan sabuwar hanyar. Idan Wheezy ya tsufa sosai kafin cocin Debian ya iso, zanyi tunanin bawa Manjaro OpenRC gwada, tunda bani da lokacin kyauta don shirya tsarin Gentoo (Na ɗauki darajar yin hakan amma tabbas lokacin tattarawa na Gentoo yayi yawa sosai don halin da nake ciki).
Na gode!
Elav zaka iya bayyanawa a kasa da kalmomi 10 ga mai amfani wanda bai fahimci "rigimar" da yawa ba, akwai labarai da yawa a cikin shafin na wani dan lokaci wadanda suke fasaha sosai, kuma basu gama bayanin mahallin ba na "wanda bai waye ba" ... har abada Sun gaya mani cewa ba tare da la'akari da fasaha ba, dole ne a fahimci bayanin har ma da tsohuwarka don zama mai kyau.
A zahiri a cikin fedora, a ɗan lokacin da ya wuce, matsalar ta zama mai wuyar jurewa, ta yadda da yawa daga cikin masu amfani da tebur suna tunanin sauya sheka zuwa centos, don tsallake matsalar
Na yi rajista don wannan buƙatar.
Systemd yayi mani kyau sosai.Mene ne matsalar da ke haifar da yawan motsi?
A ce ban sani ba.
systemd shine shirin da ke kula da fara tsarin amma masu bunkasa wannan sun yanke shawarar fadada shi kuma yanzu ba wai kawai yake fara farawa ba har ma da abubuwa kamar cron (shirin don gudanar da shirye-shirye ta atomatik), cibiyar sadarwar, rajistar tsarin wanda ta hanya binaries, a tsakanin sauran abubuwa
Da yawa ba sa kallon alheri a kan irin wannan canjin ba zato ba tsammani, musamman saboda sabon software ne, saboda haka tare da ƙarin kwari da yawa fiye da shirye-shiryen da suka yi aiki a duk rayuwarmu, ban da samar da abin dogaro yayin shirye-shiryen kuma, misali, gnome yana da alaƙa da haɗi ga wannan tsarin. Sa shi ƙasa da ɗauke dashi zuwa wasu dandamali na unix.
Ban sani ba idan sauran maganganun na basu wuce matsakaita ba amma sunce ina son tsari amma kar su bari ya zama ya mallaki duk rabarwar kuma ya bar wasu hanyoyin kamar yadda aka saba yi a Linux ga wadanda suke da mabambantan bukatu.
Ina buƙatar faɗi cewa kafin shirin da ke kula da fara tsarin a boot ya kasance system v, wanda ya daɗe yana tafiya har sai da aka sauya shi a yawancin rarrabawa ta systemd xD.
A kan abin da @daryo ke faɗi na ƙara waɗannan masu zuwa (wanda shine ra'ayina kuma):
A koyaushe ina son falsafar Unix inda shirin ke yin abu ɗaya kawai, amma yana yin shi da kyau. Lokacin da Systemd yake son sarrafa duk abin da @daryo ya gaya muku, ina da ɗan shakku kuma me zai faru idan aka yiwa Systemd rauni? Da kyau, zai iya jan duk abin da yake sarrafawa da shi.
Abin da na ƙara (kuma wataƙila wannan ba al'ada ba ce), cewa koyaushe ina son cewa rajistar tsarina fayilolin rubutu ne tsarkakakke, amma tare da Systemd komai binary ne, kuma yana yin umarni kamar:
cat log.txto
tailf log.txtInda zamu iya amfani da wasu zaɓuɓɓuka kamar GREP don tace wasu abubuwan, amma Systemd yana amfani da umarnin mai suna jarida.
Baya ga abin da aka ambata a sama, dole ne in ce kasancewar RedHat babban mahimmin bayani a bayan Systemd, Ina samun faɗakarwa cewa ba zan iya kashewa ba. Wataƙila na yi kuskure, amma wannan ba shi da kyau .. Kuma ina ci gaba da tambayar kaina menene buƙata don sarrafa boot, cron, network da kuma yawan sabis ɗin da ake da su? Me suke nufi da hakan?
Godiya ga bayaninka da abin da nake bincike zan iya tabbatar da zato, wannan faɗakarwa daidai ce, Broder.
Za ku ga na karanta game da TCP Stealth, tatsuniyoyin Jamusanci ne inda suke zargin Red Hat da sa hannun leken asiri na masana'antu ga tsarin sauraron idanu na 5:
Na riga na rubuta game da wannan, idan kuna da hazikan da ake buƙata, na san kuna da shi, zaku iya cimma naku ra'ayin:
https://gnunet.org/sites/default/files/ma_kirsch_2014_0.pdf
http://heise.de/ct/artikel/GCHQ-NSA-El-programa-HACIENDA-2293098.html#Farashin TCP
Don kawai don inganta bayaninka mai kyau @elav, tsarin yana da NIH sosai, cewa yanzu yana da'awar sarrafa abubuwa masu zuwa:
1.- Gudanar da haɗin yanar gizo tare da IPv4 da IPv6, ta amfani da systemd-networkd da systemd-nspawn.
2.- Gudanar da DNS ta hanyar ɓoyayyen ɓoyayyen DNS, wanda aka warware cikin tsari.
3. - Gudanar da Multicast na DNS a cikin hanyoyin sadarwar cikin gida, ta amfani da systemd-networkd.
4.- Gudanar da tashoshin TTY a cikin Linux, ta amfani da systemd-consoled. (Ina kwana KMScon?)
5.- Gudanar da zama da gata ta hanyar hankali.
6.- sarrafawa, amfani da fayilolin binary, da tsallake umarnin kernel.
7.- Kula da rajistan ayyukan, ta amfani da fayiloli a cikin binary, da tsallake umarnin kwaya.
8.- Sarrafa abubuwan ACPI ta amfani da hankali. (Systemd-212 ya ƙara yawan ciwon kai ga Nvidia devs tare da kwari iri-iri waɗanda suka sa tsarin ba shi da amfani)
9.- Tallafin PPPoE don networkd, aikin da har yanzu yake kan cigaba.
10.- Tallafa wa DHCP a cikin abokin ciniki da sabar. (Me suke yi da wannan? Babu ra'ayi)
11.- Taimako ga tsarin tare da sake saiti na ma'aikata, wanda a hanya yana da alaƙa da BTRFS (Kada ka yi mamaki idan BTRFS daga baya ya zama mai dogaro da tsarin, kyakkyawan Lennart yana son shi)
12 .. - Taimako don kwantena masu ɗaukaka (Xen da KVM galibi)
13.- Tallafi don gudanar da na'urar da farawa (abin da udev yayi)
14.- Karɓar tsarin ɓoyayyen faifai.
15.- Loading firmware da kuma kwaya.
16.- Karɓar sunan mai masauki (yana haifar da mai ganowa ta musamman ga PC ɗin ku), gabatarwa, lokaci, aiki tare na NTP, sysctl (masu sauya ikon sarrafa kwaya), har ma da bazuwar lambar janareta (Very WTF wannan, kuma yana haifar da yawan zato )
17.- Kula da tsarin fayil na wucin gadi.
A takaice dai a takaice, abubuwan da na sani tsarin yake yi, idan wani ya san abin da ya wuce su faɗi kawai :).
PS: systemd ya daina bada tallafi ga rubutun LSB da SysV tun systemd-214, don haka ban san yaya gaskiyar tallafin su "gado" yake yanzu ba ko kuma yadda suke cika ka'idoji. Nace LSB har yanzu daidaitacce ne a cikin Linux, ko kuwa nayi kuskure?
Na gode don sanar da ni, ina tunanin zuwa BTRFS amma da sanin cewa Lennart yana son sa, ƙila ku sani cewa dole ne ya zama mai ban tsoro da leken asiri kan NSA-IBM
Akwai ɗan fili don taƙaitawa da bayani sosai ... doki ne na janan Trojan, wanda ba sa ma ƙoƙarin ɓoyewa. Menene tsarin farawa ke sanyawa ta hanyar sanya sabis na cibiyar sadarwa, dcp dns kuma har ma ina tsammanin avahi ... a cikin tsarin? Ofarfin yanke shawara ya ɓace ta rashin ikon gudanar da ayyuka
ba a son hakan kuma ba su zo wurina da za a kashe ba, ba na son su cikin kunshin tsarin!
A cikin OpenRC, shine wanda yake yanke shawara game da abubuwan da aka fara a kowane filin wasa, wasu sabis suna da dogaro da wasu ayyukan amma ƙalilan ne kuma an lissafa su ... yayin da cikin tsari komai yayi abinda yake so a wannan lokacin Yana jin shi… don samun kusan dakika 5 akan taya kuma yayi sauri akan kashewa.
Systemd yana da matukar rikitarwa ta yadda ba zai yiwu a san me yake aikatawa ba, dole ne ka hakura da tunanin cewa shugabanka ne kuma ba ya yi maka wani laifi.
Systemd ya karya tunanin cewa abubuwa su zama masu sauki da fahimta ta fuskar daemon ko aiyuka da filaye, babu wanda yayi amfani da tsari sosai ya san abin da ke faruwa a ayyukansu a kowane lokaci.
Systemd baya bada izinin yin amfani da syslog-ng na asali, sun sanya jodijanda zasu taka shi kuma bazai barshi yayi aiki ba, ma'ana, ko kuna amfani da jarida ne ko kuma naninga!. Rubutun tsarin wani abu ne mai mahimmanci ga tsaro da binciken abin da ya faru da abin da ke faruwa tare da haɗin gida da na nesa, amma mujallar tana amfani da tsarin binary ne kawai jornalctl ke iya gani…. yadda yake ganin ta lalace sai ya goge sau daya sannan ya fara da sabo, ya manta da duk bayanan da suka wanzu.
Zan iya ci gaba na tsawon awanni, amma babbar matsalar ita ce, Lennart ba ya bayar da kwallo ga wadanda suka ba da rahoton wadannan kuskuren kuma har zuwa yanzu da na karanta, ba ya karbar faci daga kowa.
Na yi tunanin cewa ta hanyar shiga cikin tsari, za su ba da rahoton kwari da faci, waɗanda tsarin zai yi na'am da su ... amma da gaske na yi imanin cewa Lennart da RedHat suna da wani shiri na sauran hargitsi .... kamar yadda na faɗi a baya, DARAJAR TROYA daga RedHat.
Gaskiya a tsarina ba abin gyarawa ba ne, ra'ayin da ke tattare da shi ya munana kwarai da gaske, ya fi kyau a fara tsarin bootable daga karba fiye da kokarin gyara wancan frankestein.
AMIN !! @bayana ..
Na kasance ina amfani da tsari (Fedora) kimanin shekara biyu kuma na zo wannan:
Batun yana da ban mamaki, saboda yawancin abubuwa suna ƙara kashewa / turawa.
Ina da mujallar da aka umarta zuwa rsyslog kai tsaye. An riga an karya wasu ginshiƙan binary naku
Daga dns nake amfani da bind, idan sun hade shi cikin systemd zan ci gaba da amfani da shi iri daya, koda kuwa zan gyara komai.
Ina amfani da XFCE don haka yana adana mani abin da gnome yake so ya haɗa.
Ya zama kamar giwa a cikin shagon china.
Gaskiya ne; ba ma sun san abin da za su kira shi ba. Muna fita don sabuntawa yau da kullun, gyaran kwari da sauran abubuwan wauta. Batu ne da yake matukar fusata ni; amma ba wai kawai saboda gaskiyar cewa SystemD shit ne mai iko ba; in ba yadda suka yi ba.
A bayyane yake cewa a cikin duniyar Linux, akwai kamfanoni da yawa waɗanda ke ƙoƙarin sarrafa komai; duba Canonical, RedHat da Gnome, (har ma Miguel de Icaza da kansa ya bar Gnome).
Idan na yi amfani da Linux saboda wanda na sarrafa shi kuma wannan shine tushe da falsafar sa; Don rashin sanin abin da take yi, na hau injuna tare da W Server da ke gudana.
Abin da na yi nadama shi ne cewa Debian ta fada cikin damuwa. A zahiri, ana tunanin yiwuwar ƙirƙirar cokali mai yatsa ba tare da SystemD ba.
Mu yi fatan cewa abin ba zai kara ba; ko kuma na ga kaina ina yin ƙaura duk injina zuwa BSD.
@ wanda ba a sani ba, mai sharhi, ba za ku iya zama daidai ba.
systemd abu ne mai hauka wanda bashi da bayani a cikin abubuwa da yawa, gaskiyar tana haifar da zato mai yawa a duk abin da take yi kuma baya barin wasu kayan aikin suyi hakan, gaskiyar ita ce ban san yadda mutanen Debian suka ba da kansu damar sanya wannan ba, amma a ƙarshe sun riga sun yanke wannan shawarar , kuma a karo na farko a cikin shekaru da yawa na daina amfani da Debian a matsayin babban OS, kuma zan ci gaba da yin hakan har sai tsarin ya fita daga Debian don ƙarin zaɓi na gaskiya.
A takaice. SystemD tsotsa.
Tana adana rajista a tsarin binary, ana aiwatar da ita azaman tsarin iyaye na sauran, (Pid 1), wanda idan wani ya fasa, to tsarin zai zama ba za a iya ganowa ba; Ya ci karo da duk abin da Linux ke nufi, watau, fayilolin rubutu a sarari, (menene jahannama wannan fayilolin binary ??, fayilolin rubutu bayyane! Kamar kowane rayuwar Allah.)
Kuzo, wannan abun banza ne. Ba na son komai sam.
Amma godiya ga kamfanoni kamar Canonical, Gnome, da Red Hat; za mu ci shi da dankali.
Cewa idan, yayin da akwai wasu zaɓuɓɓuka; Ba zan yi amfani da shi ba, ko a kan sabobin da nake gudanarwa, ko kan injina na kaina.
Wannan ya riga ya zama reshe na kamfanin Redmond.
Ba na nufin kare kowa ba, amma na tuna sosai cewa canonical ya sabawa tsarin da aka yarda da shi daga sama. lokacin da debian ya bada kai bori ya hau sai ga ubuntu.
Kari akan haka, wadannan kwari na iya lalata tsaron tsarin da kwanciyar hankalin sabar, misali, wannan shine dalilin da yasa wadanda suka fi korafi game da wadannan abubuwa sune sys admin.
Kuma game da Mageia, yana da ban mamaki cewa KDE zai iya gudana akan 512 MB na rago, mara kyau.
http://mirror.cedia.org.ec/mageia/iso/cauldron/
'yan tambayoyi; Ta yaya yake da sauƙi a gudanar da ayyuka a cikin OpenRC? kuma yaya sauki yake girka amfani dashi ta hanyar tsoho a girkin Manjaro tare da systemd? abin da nake so game da tsarin shine cewa tare da sauki umarnin systemctl enable (service) .service ko systemctl disable (service) .sabisa Zan iya gudanar da aiyukana cikin sauki, IDAN ina sha'awar sanin game da OpenRC kuma musamman idan yana jin wari kaɗan duk wannan daga tsarin, af! Ni mai amfani da novell ne
AF; ya ce ina kan Windows saboda ina amfani da overrider wakilin mai amfani
OpenRC yana da sauƙin sarrafawa, na ba ku misali tare da sabis ɗin buga kofi.
Don fara shi.
# rc-sabis na farawa kofuna
* An fara kofunad .. [ok]
Don dakatar da shi.
# rc-sabis na kofunan dakatarwa
* Tsayawa kofuna… [ok]
Don sake kunnawa.
# rc-sabis na kofuna sake farawa
* Tsayawa kofuna… [ok]
* An fara kofunad .. [ok]
Don sanya shi don farawa a cikin tsoffin runlevel.
# rc-sabuntawa ƙara kofunad tsoho
* an ƙara kofunan sabis
Don cire shi daga tsoffin runlevel.
# sabunta-rc daga tsoho na kofuna
* An cire kofunan sabis daga tsoffin runlevel [ok]
Don ganin matsayin duk hidimomi a cikin duk runlevels.
# rc-matsayi -a
Don ganin matsayin babban filin wasa, a cikin wannan misalin tsoho.
# rc-status tsoho
Anan a gentoo, OpenRC shine tsarin farawa na farko kuma zai kasance har abada, mun tsara tsarin ɗaukar hoto don yan kunar bakin waken, wanda kuma akaci sa'a babu….
Don maye gurbin Journald, muna amfani da syslog-ng da logrotate, a nan a gentoo tsarin tsarin yana fita ta cikin na’urar wasan bidiyo vt12 wanda ke sarrafa + alt + F12, ko kuma kuna iya ganin ta ci gaba a cikin kowane tashar zane kamar mai amfani da tushen tare da:
# tailf / var / log / saƙonni
Kuma shigar da shi akan Manjaro na?
Nace; Ba zan rasa duk fayiloli da kyawawan XFCE ba kawai don sauyawa zuwa OpenRC 🙂
Shirya; Na girka ta ta amfani da sudo pacman -S manjaro-openrc bluez-openrc (na biyun saboda ina da bluetooth)
Yanzu matsalata ita ce mai sarrafa wutar lantarki XFCE4 baya aiki da kayan aiki masu ƙarfi-pm kuma bani da zaɓi na dakatar da Hibernate
OpenRC mai sauqi ne, gudanar da ayyuka wani yanki ne na waina, don kawai bada misali:
Enable sabis: rc-update ƙara cronie tsoho
Fara sabis: /etc/init.d/cronie farawa ko rc-config fara cronie
Dakatar da sabis: /etc/init.d/cronie tasha ko rc-config tasha cronie
Mai sauƙi kuma ba mai rikitarwa ba.
@elav abin da ke gaba shine na dogon lokaci, wanda ya fara daga iskar guguwa, ruwan sama, manyan cokula masu yatsu, rabe-raben ƙungiyoyi, kuma mutane da yawa suna mamakin idan ƙaura zuwa BSD shine mafi kyawun zaɓi fiye da makalewa cikin tsari, saboda haka.
Ni kaina, na yaba da wannan yunƙurin na Manjaro, zaɓi ne ga waɗanda ba sa son kasancewa tare da tsari, abin da nake so, a halin yanzu ina cikin Gentoo kuma ina son shi, na ji daɗin theancin da yake bani, amma yanzu Ya shiga zuciyata sau da yawa don yin canji zuwa FreeBSD, kuma zan iya yin tsalle a wannan watan, duk ya dogara da lokacina da yin odar wasu abubuwa don aiwatar da ƙaura cikin nasara.
Muhawara game da tsarin an daɗe da musantawa. Karanta kaɗan kaɗan don Allah.
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html
http://diegocg.blogspot.mx/2014/02/la-sombras-de-sysyinit.html
http://diegocg.blogspot.mx/2014/02/por-que-kdbus.html
Babu ɗayan da ya ƙaryata gaskiyar tsarin, Lennart yana da ƙwarewa wajen guje wa abubuwa da nauyi, ina ba da shawarar cewa maimakon karanta labarai kawai, karanta lambar tsarin ko aƙalla karanta jerin abubuwan da aka tsara, za ku bincika abubuwan da ke musanta abin da waɗannan labaran guda uku suka faɗi abin da ya faru, da kuma ƙarin tallafi ga masu lalata tsarin.
Hujjarsa ita ce tabbatar da cewa akwai ilimin da ke musun abin da na nuna, amma ba ya gabatar da shaidar, don haka ba zan iya amincewa da wanzuwarsa ba.
https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html
@pamp hujjanina ya fi goyon baya saboda na bayyana shi a sama a cikin sharhi 25 na wannan shigarwar, kuma na fallasa shi a cikin wasu shigarwar da yawa game da tsarin, ban da fallasa shi a cikin Debian irc da jerin wannan rarraba, Har ila yau, gayyata ta ita ce, ka kirkiri ra'ayinka kuma saboda wannan ya kamata ka karanta kadan daga jerin abubuwan tsarin. Hakanan don kawai don jin daɗin sha'awar ku na ba ku wannan haɗin wanda a ciki suka faɗa a sarari cewa tsarin-214 ba ya ba da tallafi ga rubutun SysV da LSB, tare da uzurin "tsabtace lamba".
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-June/019925.html
Yanzu faɗa mini: Ina tallafi ga ƙa'idar LSB wanda ya kamata a ƙirƙira shi don ƙirƙirar tushe ɗaya don duk ɓarna? Saboda bari in fada muku wani abu, babu wani abu a mahaɗansa na farko Lennart ya fado, ya yi alfahari ya cika bakinsa yana cewa tsarin yana goyan bayan amfani da rubutun SysV da LSB, lokacin da gaskiyar ita ce an faɗi tallafi kuma an maye gurbinsa da janareto na fayilolin init-files, a hanya, yana da kwari da yawa kuma a ƙarshen babu wani zaɓi fiye da yin cikakken init-file.
Na gode.
Ra'ayoyin, yana kama da jaki, duk muna da ɗaya.
Abin da wannan mutumin ya fada na iya zama da kyau a gare shi, amma ba nawa bane. Kuma ra'ayin mutumin da yake rubutu a gidan yanar gizo ba cewa maganar Allah ce ba. Ra'ayin ku ne, lokaci.
Don haka "karyata", ba komai.
Kyakkyawan abin da muka bari shi ne cewa za mu iya amfani da duk abin da muke so; ba tare da kokarin zama "Taliban" ba da sanya ka'idojinmu akan wasu.
A gare ni SystemD ainihin shiryayye ne. Kuma akwai mutanen da suke son shi. To, maraba!
Babu ra'ayina da yake da kyau ko na waɗanda ba sa tunani kamar ni ba shit; sun bambanta ne kawai.
Wannan shine abin da ya bambanta mu da sauran tsarin aiki; za mu iya zaɓar.
Kada mu shiga cikin faɗan banza wanda baya kaiwa ga ko'ina.
@Titus
Ba za ku iya faɗi hakan da kyau ba ... amin.
Dole ne ku zama makafi don kada ku fahimci matsalar da tsarin ke tafiyarwa don rufe komai, taka, rufewa da sauya ayyukan da ke aiki daidai, maye gurbin su da sifofin da ba za su iya kaiwa ko daidaitawa ba, koda kuwa babu jituwa tsakanin ginshiƙai da fiye da biyu baya iri na systemd.
Debian kamar tana da girgizar ƙasa kuma sun sami damar farkawa, ina fata kawai sun karkata ga eudev da openrc, don haka ci gaban gentoo debian manjaro da wasu waɗanda ke amfani da openrc zai kasance ɗaya, wanda zai inganta shi sosai a cikin ɗan gajeren lokaci, lashe dukkan al'umma.
Na biyu kalmominku.
Akwai mutanen da suke faɗar wasu mutane (ra'ayoyin da suke sha'awarsu, gabaɗaya), kuma suke ɗaukar su a matsayin shaida.
A nawa bangare, bani da wani ra'ayi kan tsarin. Ban sani ba idan ya fi kyau sama da farawa ko buɗewa, amma abin da ya bayyana a sarari shi ne cewa yiwuwar sysvinit duka DAS ne ke hana shi, tare da Debian shine kawai wanda har yanzu ya ajiye shi a Wheezy saboda manufofinsa. Amma Debian mai kwanciyar hankali, Jessie, zata kasance Debian ba tare da sysvinit ba.
Abin da ya bayyana a sarari shi ne cewa a ɗabi'ance 100% kyauta ce ta software; Dangane da bangaren fasaharsa, ban taɓa karanta lambar ba ko kuma kwatanta ta da sauran hanyoyinta, don haka ba ni da wani ra'ayin da ya dace. Amma koda Ubuntu na yanzu yana amfani da sassan tsarin kodayake har yanzu suna kan gaba, kuma ina shakkar sun yi saboda Canonical “Red Hat” ce ta “siya”.
Systemd ba "sharri" bane, don Allah, bawai muna yaƙi da Skynet bane (Terminator), ko HAL9000 ("2001 sararin samaniya"), kuma ba shine ɓangaren duhu na Forcearfin da ke neman mamaye Jedi ba. Kuma ba haka bane ta hanyar zama cikin ƙungiya ya karɓi komai kuma ya sanya hatta kayan abinci a ɗakin kwano su ɓace.
Kuma cewa "yana motsa ayyukan da suke aiki daidai" (sharhi na 52), Na sami matsala tare da cibiyar sadarwar NFS ta gida a cikin kwamfutocin da suke samun damar sabar saboda tsarin rufe kwamfutar abokin huldar yana katse hanyar sadarwar ne gabanin lalata tsarin NFS, kuma rufewa zai daskare, kawai mafita shine danna maballin kunnawa / kashe don kashe shi da karfi (bug da wasu masu amfani suka ruwaito); Dole ne in ƙirƙiri rubutun da zai buɗe fayilolin NFS don gudana kafin rufe na'urar abokin ciniki. A gefe guda, kwamfutar uwar garken NFS tana haɗuwa ta hanyar wifi, kuma lokaci zuwa lokaci haɗin haɗin yana ɓacewa: Ban sani ba idan matsalar ita ce manajan cibiyar sadarwa ko tana cikin dhcpd, ko a ina.
Ban ce wadancan matsalolin sun tafi da tsari ba; Na yi watsi da shi, saboda ban yi amfani da shi ba. Misali ne kawai yana faɗin cewa ayyukan da aka tsara da maye gurbin aiki daidai ƙari ne.
Abu daya ra'ayi ne kuma wani kuma hujja ne, tabbas na farko ya bambamta sosai kamar yadda kuke fada @Tito, amma na biyu wani abu ne da ya fi dacewa kuma ya mai da hankali, ba wani abu bane da za'a iya sarrafa shi da sauki, aƙalla, ba a cikin lamarin ba free software, inda muke da lambar da za a sake dubawa.
@pamp ya gaya mana cewa hujjojin da aka nuna an karyata na dogon lokaci, kuma a matsayin jarabawar farko ya kawo mu daidai da ra'ayoyin Lennart (ba jayayya ba). Amma abin da wannan mutumin ya faɗi a cikin maganganunsa abu ɗaya ne (lambobi 4 da 8 kawai za su mutu don dariya), kuma abin da yake yi a cikin tsarin tsari wani ne. Halin da na gani akai-akai a Lennart tun lokacin da na fara haɓaka abubuwa kamar Avahi da Pulseaudio, kuma ana iya tabbatar da hakan ta hanyar karanta jerin abubuwa masu kyau da kuma rahoton kwari na ɓangarorin software biyu.
@ Dah65 tabbas mutane da yawa suna amfani da hujja ta amfani da ra'ayoyin wasu mutane, mummunar dabi'a ce ga wadanda basa iya binciken batutuwan da kansu don samun ra'ayin kansu da na kansu, kuma har ma da kirkirar hujjoji da zasu shiga tattaunawa mai amfani. .
A halin da nake ciki, ina sane da canje-canje a tsarin tsarin godiya ga jerin abubuwa, kodayake bana son kayan aikin, gaba daya bana son shi, amma ban daina karanta shi ba a matakin mai amfani da fasaha, kuma dalili Saboda wannan abu ne mai sauqi, idan zan halarci abokin harka wanda yayi amfani da abin da aka fada, na san abin da ya kamata in yi da kuma yadda zan halarci kowane yanayi.
Yanzu game da abin da sabis ke gudana ba tare da matsaloli ba, wannan ƙarya ne, akwai rubutun SysV da yawa tare da matsaloli, kuma iri ɗaya ne yake faruwa a cikin tsari, amma aƙalla lokacin da kuka ba da rahoton wani kuskure a cikin SysV an gyara su ko kuna iya yin sa ta hanya mai sauƙi kamar yadda kuka yi sharhi , a cikin tsari, bayan yin rahoton kwaro zaka iya samun WONTFIX ko RUFE, godiya ga Lennart ko Kay, kamar yadda lamarin ya kasance kuma ba ni da ƙari yayin faɗin wannan, samfurin a nan:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=753882
Karanta sharhi 48, ba ku da asara. Clement's 53 wani kuma ba shi da asara, musamman don archaic amma aiki na aiki game da matsalar da Lennart baya so ya warware kuma ta hanyar an ruwaito shi a cikin 2011.
Wadancan "tatsuniyoyin" wa ya kafa su? An cire wasu daga gallery kamar yadda "systemd be šaukuwa ba tare da dalili ba." Gaskiya ne cewa ba za'a iya ɗaukarsa ba (kuma ya yarda da shi yana cewa an tsara shi sosai don Linux)
Yana ɗaukar karya, kamar zato cewa BSD ba shi da sha'awa (mutanen BSD sun ce ba haka ba: "Jordan Hubbard - FreeBSD: Shekaru 10 na Gaba (MeetBSD 2014)", koda kuwa yana iya ɗaukar hoto ba za su karɓe shi ba kuma abubuwa kamar haka ( Labari 13,14,15).
Idan Maƙasudin Mawaƙa shine don mu sake rubuta rubutun, keɓaɓɓe ga tsarinku (http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-3.html) zamuyi kuskure. A ka'ida rubutun init na gargajiya bai damu da inda za ku ba. Anyi gyare-gyare kaɗan don aiki akan GNU, UNIX ko BSD. Hakan ya kasance har yanzu (sai dai idan ana amfani da OpenRC). Koyaya, Ina tsammanin abubuwa kamar wannan zasu haifar da rashin jituwa tsakanin Linux don tebur da sabobin. Ubuntu da masu amfani da kayan maye zasu ga canje-canje ne kawai a ƙarshen shekara mai zuwa.
@ Dah65
Da kyau, tunda kun ce tsarin ba halayyar mutum bane, to ku fada mani dalilin da yasa basa sanya a cikin zabin Makefile don musaki dukkan matakan sa a lokacin tattarawa, ta yadda mu da ba mu son samun wadancan "matattun hanyoyin" wadanda suka taka wasu kunshe-kunshe, don haka zamu iya tattara su kuma mu kirkiro namu nau'ikan tsarin tsari!
Shin kun san dalilin da yasa basu sani ba? Saboda nau'inta na ci gaba ana kiran sa tilastawa kuma kamar yadda kashi 95% na masu amfani ba su da NPI, suna amfani da tsoho, mun ƙi shi duka gare ku.
Wannan ta yaya kyauta ko kayan aiki na kyauta ko duk abin da suke so su kira shi ba ya aiki, yanzu ya ba ni dariya, saboda da sabon cokali mai yatsu zuwa Debian mutane da yawa sun fito suna tunanin cewa ɓarnar ƙarfi ne kuma ina ci gaba da yin mamakin yadda ya kasance da wuya a sanya ƙarin zaɓin tattarawa zuwa ga Sananniya?
Maganar ba ta bayar da kari ba, wannan kamar son hada ruwa ne da mai, shi ya sa za a samu masu yadudduka marassa iyaka a kowane ci gaba inda aka sanya 'yan kalilan ga sauran.
@mario daidai kake fada. Har ila yau, Jordan Hubbard ya dawo cikin hankalinsa cewa aikin BSD yana buƙatar sabuntawa ba kawai don dacewa da sababbin fasahohi ba har ma don tallafawa sababbin abubuwan da ke yiwuwa a yanzu, amma yana ƙetare ra'ayin da tsarin ke da shi yanzu game da yadda ya kamata a yi su. abubuwa, kuma suna sauƙaƙa shi zuwa ga falsafar da koyaushe ta mamaye UNIX, "Yi shirin da zai yi abu ɗaya kuma ya yi shi da kyau", kuma a cikin abin da ya dace yana da mahimmancin gaske, tunda ba maganar aljani ɗaya muke yi ba, muna da yake magana game da yanayin tsarin aiki, ban da kasancewa ma'aunin tsaro, idan aka kwatanta da abin da kwararru da yawa suka riga suka fara raɗaɗi game da tsari, kuma abin nunawa ne, tsarin yana kama da svchosts.exe daga Windows, yana yin daga asalin sabis don sarrafa cibiyar sadarwa tsakanin sauran abubuwa da yawa.
Samari, abin tsoro ne sosai.
Shin yana da matukar rikitarwa don cirewa daga ArchLinux ????
Zan je neman bayanai amma ba zan kuskura in taba irin wannan ba don kada in fadada kuma in rasa tsarina.
🙂
https://abchk1234.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/using-openrc-on-arch-archbang-manjaro-linux/
Daga cikin maganganun da yawa da na karanta, SYSTEMD gaskiya ne KYAUTA OOORO OR.
Wannan yana nufin ceton wa zai iya? Akwai bayanai kadan a cikin Sifaniyanci - game da yadda ake tsara tebur a cikin FreeBSD da kuma samar da tsarin da za ayi amfani da shi.
Tsarin tsari, bari ya zama. xD
Wannan tsarin kiyayya ba zai zama hoto bane ???? Arch ya kasance mai girma a wurina ... idan gaskiya ne cewa ya fi rufewa, ban sani ba ko mai kyau ne ko mara kyau! amma wataƙila akwai damar da za a iya amfani da ita don ɗaukar iko ko wasu ƙwayoyin cuta waɗanda ke lalata tsarin saboda wannan ... idan yana da karko kuma ba shi da matsala ban ga matsalar ba ... duk da haka zan ga idan ina da lokaci kuma na yi nazarin batun kuma in yi wasu gwaje-gwaje tare da openrc
ba cewa barga ba. kuma ya fi rashin tsaro ƙarfi fiye da tsarin v. Ga mai amfani da tebur kamar mu da yawa (ni) ba ya wakiltar matsala ko dai, saurin gudu yana aiki da kyau kuma ba kasafai nake karanta rajistan ayyukan ba saboda haka ba matsala komai yadda suka bayyana ko kuma shin yana cikin tsarin binary.
Ina da tunanin Linux zai bunkasa akan tebur (da gwamnatoci) kuma zai rasa ƙasa kan sabobin (maimakon ɗaukar OS kamar freebsd)
A kan Wiki na esdebian suna buga yadda ake girka SysVinit akan Debian Jessie. http://www.esdebian.org/wiki/sysvinit
Karanta game da tsaro, sai na gano cewa a gefen intel, akwai katunan uwa tare da kwakwalwan kwamfuta, gabaɗaya a cikin northbridge, suna aiwatar da wani abu da ake kira AMR Intel Active Management Technology .... mai ban sha'awa, sa'a ba ni da Intel, amma zan fara nemanta AMD side babu irin wannan abu.
Suna tunanin haɗakar intel + AMR + tsarin, Allah ya kiyaye.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_AMT_versions
Ba abin mamaki ba ne rashin jin daɗin Stallman ya yi ihu don rayuwa kyauta.
Shuru; Intel tayi watsi da kerar katunan uwa.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2612845/computer-hardware/intel-refocuses-and-exits-motherboard-business.html
Da farko dai, bana amfani da tsari saboda ba'a gina shi cikin Kubuntu ba har yanzu (Ina tare da Netrunner 14, wanda aka samo daga Kubuntu 14.04).
Bayan bayyana wannan, dole ne a bayyana abubuwa da yawa:
1- masu tsari / masu shirya abubuwa daban-daban suna amfani da tsarin (Debian, openSUSE, Arch, Fedora…), amma yanzu ya zamto cewa masu karanta wannan shafin sun fi sanin su da kyau da rashin amfanin tsarin.
2- systemd software ne na kyauta, wanda wadanda suke da lokaci da ilimi zasu iya karantawa (kuma zasu iya fahimtarsu) (wadancan masu kirkirar kayan / wadanda nake magana akansu a baya). Idan kun ɓoye ƙofofi, za a gano su. Da yawa daga cikin masu karatu suna amfani da firmware na kamfani ko direba, lambar da ba ku karanta ba kuma ba za ku iya karantawa ba? Ina tsammanin yana da ma'ana don jin tsoron hakan fiye da tsarin tsari.
3- Dukanmu muna aiki tare da kunshin binary, domin lokacin da na zazzage .deb daga rumbun adanawa don girkawa, bana sauke fayil ɗin rubutu mara kyau. Don haka wannan hujja ba ta dace ba.
4- A cikin GNU / Linux tuni akwai shirye-shirye waɗanda suke yin abubuwa da yawa: iri ɗaya iri ɗaya, wanda ke haɗakar da ƙarin direbobi, har ma da kayan mallakar kamfani (mafi kyau a sanya ƙofar baya a cikin rufaffiyar firmware fiye da a cikin shirin wanda aka buga lambar sa). Hakanan akwai Xorg, wanda ba kawai yake kula da sabar zane ba amma har ma da maɓallin keyboard, linzamin kwamfuta, da sauran abubuwa; Babu wanda ya ce Xorg "ya ci amanar" falsafar UNIX saboda haka, suna so su yi ritaya saboda tuni wasu ayyukan sun mamaye shi.
5- "Linux zabi ne", tabbas, amma yanci ne na zabi idan ina son karanta lambar, canza shi, rarraba shi, da dai sauransu. Ba wai ana buƙatar distros don ba da dukkan zaɓuɓɓuka ba (duk gine-ginen mai sarrafawa, duk yanayin tebur, duk tsarin kunshin, da sauransu)
6- Ga wadanda suke tunanin sauya sheka zuwa BSD, Ina tuna karanta labarai cewa a wasu tsarin BSD NSA ta Amurka ta riga ta sanya faratansa. Idan wannan labarin daidai ne, ban sani ba saboda ban bi batun ba. Amma abin dariya ne cewa na gudu daga wani abu "saboda Red Hat yana bayanta kuma watakila ..." don shiga cikin wani abu da "wataƙila NSA na baya ...."
Baya ga yin amfani da GNU / Linux, BSD, Windows, ko duk abin da kuke so mu yi amfani da shi, za mu iya amfani da hikimarmu da ikon yin tunani
Watau, masu karanta wannan shafin, kasancewar masu karatu ne kawai, ba su da ikon ganewa idan wani abu yana da kyau ko a'a, saboda dole ne ya zama dole ne ya jagorance mu ta hanyar kyakkyawan tunani, ilimi da kwarewar masu shirya kaya da masu ci gaba. Shin hakan ne?
Gaskiya ne, Software ne na Kyauta, kuma idan wani abu mai ban mamaki ya bayyana, manyan mutanen da kuka yi magana akansu a baya kuma waɗanda dole ne mu amince da su za su iya lura da sanarwa da shi, ko wataƙila ba, saboda wataƙila kamar yadda suke mutane za a jarabce su da yin shiru Na wani abu.
Lokacin da kake sauke wani .deb, duk abin da kuke yi shi ne zazzage fayil mai matsi, wanda za ku iya zare shi saboda haka, ku ga abin da ke ciki kuma zai yiwu, wanda shine inda binary din yake. 😉
Ban san su waye masu amfani da za su gudu daga Linux don zuwa BSD ba, amma ni, alal misali, ba zan bar Linux ba, kawai zan bar rarrabawa wanda ya sa Systemd a bayanku a ko a.
A takaice, wadanda muke yin tsokaci, karantawa da amfani da GNU / Linux a cikin wannan shafin ba su da hankali. Abin da kuke son fada kenan? Ko ta yaya zan gaya muku daga abin da na samu na kaina, da kuma tunanina (ya zama da ma'ana ko a'a):
Tsarin yana shit makale a kan sanda. Na karanta cewa akwai wasu Inits da suke farawa da sauri kuma saboda haka basu da ikon sarrafa DNS, RED, CRON da duk wani abu da Systemd yake son sarrafawa. Wataƙila ga mai amfani na ƙarshe, wanda kawai ya damu da kunna komputa, buɗe burauza da aika imel, babu matsala idan sun yi amfani da Systemd ko Systemx, amma ga waɗanda muke kula da sabobin wani ciwo ne a cikin jaki. Kuma ina tambayarku tambaya guda wacce nake tambaya koyaushe menene zai faru idan Systemd ya sami rauni kuma ya shiga lahira? Shin an bar mu ba tare da RED, babu CRON ba, babu DNS, babu Init da duk abin da yake yi? A can na bar muku shi.
Kuma ku kiyaye, ina gaya muku duk wannan ba tare da damuwa ba. Wannan ya ce, maraba da waɗannan sassan.
Godiya ga maraba.
Amsawa ba tare da damuwa ba, Na bayyana cewa ban ci gaba da tsari ba ballantana a biya ni don inganta shi. Kuma hakan bai shafe ni da komai ba ko wasu mutane suna amfani da shi ko basa amfani da shi, shawarar su ce.
Amma abin da na gani tare da wannan al'amari kamar, a wasu lokuta, wani yanayi ne, kuma na karanta ra'ayoyin mutane waɗanda, ba tare da nazarin lambar ba ko kuma amfani da ita, lakafta ta a matsayin datti, tilastawa, cin amana, kuma ban san wasu abubuwa da yawa ba. Yana tuna min halin da na fuskanta kwanakin baya, lokacin da mutumin da ya yarda cewa bai taba girka Windows ba ko kuma ya san yadda ake raba rumbun kwamfutarka ya fara cewa Linux na da matukar wahala ... ba tare da ya taba gwadawa ba, sannan kuma yana da Android a wayoyin sa.
Shin kun kwatanta tsarin tare da sysvinit, tare da farawa da kuma tare da openrc? Mai girma, zaku iya yanke shawara gwargwadon kwarewarku. Shi ne mafi kyau, saboda ku ma kun san cewa distro ɗin da ke aiki a kan kwamfutar guda ɗaya na iya da amfani a kan wani daban, kuma wannan shine dalilin da ya sa waɗanda muke da wasu ƙwarewa a cikin GNU / Linux suka ce mafi kyawun ɓarna shine wanda mai amfani yake jin daɗi da shi. dandano.
1- «Watau, masu karanta wannan shafin, saboda masu karatu ne kawai, ba su da ikon gane ko wani abu yana da kyau ko a'a, saboda dole ne ya zama dole ne mu kasance masu jagora ta hanyar kyakkyawan tunani, ilimi da kwarewar masu shirya kaya da masu haɓakawa»
Na kasance mai karatun wannan shafin na wani dan lokaci (zaku ga tsokacina a cikin tsofaffin labarai), don haka an saka ni cikin shirin. Kuma amsar ita ce a'a: kasancewar ni mai karanta wannan ko wani shafin yanar gizo baya bani damar (aƙalla ni), in yanke hukunci mai kyau ko mara kyau na wata software da ban sani ba. Zan iya karanta abin da wasu ke fada, kuma a wannan yanayin akwai matsayi duka na adawa da tsarin; a zahiri, duk lokacin da aka tashi batun a cikin Phoronix akwai mahawara da yawa, amma har ma akwai maganganun da aka yi jayayya da su. Ina magana ne kan maganganu kamar "lokacin da tsarin kira na tsari X wani madauki mara iyaka ya auku, ya mayar da tsarin mara amfani."
Kuma gaskiyar ita ce ta amfani da distro ko wani daban, ana zartar da ku ta hanyar hukunci, ilimi da kwarewar masu shirya kaya da masu haɓakawa. Amfani da kowane OS ko shirye-shirye yana ɗauke da sashi dogara da hukunci da kwarewar wasu; misali, tare da Linux kun yarda da shawarar amfani da kwaya mai ɗorewa maimakon amfani da microkernel kamar Hurd. Wannan shawarar Linus Torvalds ce, kuma kun yarda da ita ta amfani da ainihin sa.
2- «Gaskiya ne, Kyauta ne Software, kuma idan wani abu mai ban mamaki ya bayyana, manyan mutanen da kuka yi magana akansu a baya kuma waɗanda ya wajaba mu amince da su za su iya lura da sanar da shi, ko wataƙila ba, domin wataƙila kamar yadda suke mutane za su ji an jarabce su yi shiru don musan wani abu. "
Da kyau, m, me yasa aka yarda da Linus Torvalds da Richard Stallman da aikin GNU? Ban kalli lambar shirye-shiryensu ba, don haka kila suna yaudarata.
3 - «Kuma nakan yi muku irin tambayar da koyaushe nake yi, me zai faru idan Systemd ya sami rauni kuma ya shiga lahira? Shin an bar mu ba tare da RED, babu CRON, ba DNS, ba Init da duk abin da yake yi? Zan bar shi a can. »
Me zai faru idan OpenRC ta sami matsala ta wata hanya? Ko Upstart? Ko kwaya? Ya faru da ni, bayan sabuntawa na "al'ada" a cikin Debian Testing, na gama jin tsoro, ban iya shiga Debian ko Windows ba, kuma a wancan lokacin jahilcina yana nufin cewa ina da zaɓi ne kawai na sake sakawa.
4- «A takaice dai, waɗanda muke yin tsokaci, karantawa da amfani da GNU / Linux a kan wannan rukunin yanar gizon ba su da hankali. Abin da kuke so ku ce kenan? "
A'a, ba ina nufin haka ba; Ba ni da niyyar takaitawa daga wani yanayi, tabbatacce, zuwa ga jimlar halayen mutum ɗaya, ko dubu. Amma na yi imani cewa dangane da tsari ana magana da shi sau da yawa ba tare da yin wata manufa ta nutsuwa ba; Hakanan ya faru da Wayland-Mir, ana ta ikirarin da yawa marasa tushe, duka akan Wayland da Canonical.
Hakanan, Ina maimaita cewa na karanta kuma nayi tsokaci akan wannan shafin (kamar yadda yake a wasu), kuma ina amfani da GNU / Linux.
Kuma ina maimaita abin da na fada a baya: bari mu yi amfani da kwakwalenmu, mu binciko abin da muka ji da kuma karantawa, mu dauki ra'ayoyi daban-daban don kokarin karyata duka A da wadanda ba A ba, kuma idan zai yiwu, bari mu sami kwarewarmu don dogaro da abin da muka yanke kan gaskiya. Sannan kuma bari muyi amfani da duk abin da ya dace da mu.
umm .. da kyau cewa yin sulhu zato ne kamar komai .. Tambayata ta riga ta wuce? .. wataƙila ba a samun kwari a cikin dukkan software kuma ana gyara su idan x bug ya bayyana cikin tsari suna gyara shi kuma kamar yadda kowane shiri zai iya suna da kwari .. Matsalar ba wai zata iya faduwa bane, idan kuna son ta yi ne ko kuma kula da abin da take yi amma ba bisa zaton cewa zata iya kasa komai ba zai iya kasawa cikin kankanin lokaci ... Ni ba masoyin tsari bane kwata-kwata, wannan ra'ayi ne kawai. .
Kwaro na iya faruwa a kwamfutar mai amfani kuma babu abin da zai iya faruwa, amma akan sabar abubuwa suna da bambanci sosai.
@waco lallai idan ka samu kwari a cikin software ya kamata ka gyara su. Matsalar ita ce tsarin yana da tsoffin kwari da yawa (wasu sun faro tun shekara ta 2010 kuma suna da mahimmanci) kuma har yanzu ba a gyara su ba, ko sauƙaƙe, ko kawai alama ta Lennart a matsayin RUFE ko WONTFIX.
maganarka tayi matukar nasara! Dukkanmu ba za mu iya faduwa cikin tsari ba saboda yana da kyau kuma an kirkireshi ne don yakin neman zabe ... duk canji yana da kin amincewa.
Na amsa tambayoyinku:
1.- Masu amfani da mahimmanci kuma masu tambaya, kuma masu haɓakawa sun san fa'idodi da rashin dacewar karɓar tsari a cikin kowane ci gaba da yanayin aiki, rauni da ƙarfin tsarin ba sa canzawa saboda samun hangen nesa ɗaya ko wata.
2.- Tabbas tsarin yana da software kyauta kuma ana iya dubawa. Matsalar ba wai tana da kofofin baya ba, matsalar ita ce tana yin abubuwan da bai kamata ayi ba (sarrafa network, dns, consoles na TTY, da sauransu), cewa tana da ayyuka da yawa wadanda ake zaton wasu ne, cewa tana yin abubuwa ta wata hanya daban ta yadda ake tsammanin a yi su, wanda ya karya dokokin Linux kwaya kanta (coredump), cewa da yawa daga cikin masu haɓakawa ba su damu sosai da warware matsalolin tsarin da tsarin ke da su ba (coredump da debug suna daga cikin mawuyacin hali tukuna ba a warware ba).
3.- Abu daya shine zazzage binary wanda ya zama wani shiri wanda har yanzu CIGABANSA da LOGS dinsa suna a rubuce karara, sannan wani abu kuma shine sauke wani binary wanda ake sanya bayanansa da sauran bayanan a cikin binary kuma ana samun sa ne ta hanyar takamaiman kayan aiki, Anan ne abubuwa suke canzawa. Takaddar binary ba ta ba da tsaro (idan da gaske kuna son tsaro, ɓoye ɓoye tare da AES-256), kawai akwatin baƙar fata ne wanda ba ku san komai game da abin da ke faruwa ba kuma yana ba da kansa ga abubuwa da yawa, misali: Ka yi tunanin cewa kana da Trojan wanda ke amfani da raunin tsarin kuma ta hanyarsa ya sami cikakkiyar dama ga tsarin gami da sabis na log da haɓaka gata. Shin wannan ba babbar matsala ba ce? Shin ayyukan binaryar da aka sarrafa kai tsaye ta hanyar tsari ba za su juya maka ba ta hanyar rashin dace ba tare da kai ga cewa an riga an gyara su ba da sani ba? Akwai ma'ana da bambanci tsakanin shirin da fayil ɗin daidaitawa / rajistan ayyukan / juji a cikin binary.
4. - Kernel wani yanki ne na software wanda aka tsara ta wannan ma'anar, an tsara shi tun daga farko don sarrafa komai akan PC ɗinka, ba wani abu bane. An ƙaddamar da init ne kawai don sanya tsarin ku ya ɗaura kwaya ya zama mai amfani, saboda shine abu na farko da za'a fara kuma shine abu na ƙarshe da za'a gama. Wannan shine dalilin da yasa ake kiran sa init (farawa) saboda kawai yana farawa tsarin kuma baya yin komai, kuma dalilin wannan mai sauqi ne, abinda yakamata ya zama shine ingantaccen yanki mafi inganci na software, don kaucewa hakan saboda wasu dalilai Wannan ya ƙare duk tsarin, game da kwanciyar hankali da tsaro. Xorg, wata murya ce, tana yin abubuwa da yawa gaskiya ne, amma babu wani abu mai haɗari kamar zai bar ku da tsarin da ba za a iya amfani da shi ba, kuma har yanzu ana yin saitinta a cikin fayilolin rubutu masu sauƙi.
5.- Tabbas ba lallai bane disros ya ba da yanci ta hanya mai faɗi ba, kuma saboda wannan ne aka gabatar da halin yanzu. Amma, mu masu amfani ne da kuma al'umma, kuma da yawa daga cikinmu ba mu yarda da aiwatar da wannan tsarin ba, shi ya sa muke sa muryarmu ta isa, ko sun saurare shi ko ba su saurare shi ba, batun waɗanda suka ɓata distro ne, kuma shawarar da suka yanke za ta yi tasiri a kan wadanda suka yanke shawara suyi amfani da distro dinsu ko kuma a'a, kuma hakan, a bayyane zai iya haifar da rashin nasarar rudani da yawa dangane da yadda abubuwa ke tafiya kuma misali yanzu shine Debian da cokalinsa na Devuan.
6.- Labaran BSD saboda abin da ya faru ne a cikin OpenSSH da kuma a cikin tarin OpenBSD IP, ƙofar baya wacce ta hanyar da ta shafi ba kawai BSD ba har ma da Linux (a game da OpenSSH), kuma an gyara hakan. An danganta lamarin ga BSD, saboda BSD ce (Theo de Raadt a cikin OpenBSD) waɗanda ke kula da ci gaban wannan kayan aikin (OpenSSH) kuma lamarin ya faru ne saboda wasu masu haɓaka waɗanda ba su da aiki a cikin aikin sun dasa ƙofar baya. An warware halin da ake ciki kuma an bayyana matakan da suka dace da za a dauka idan har wannan halin zai iya shafar wadanda suka yi amfani da software din. Yanzu: Shin wannan halin zai iya faruwa cikin tsari? Amsar mai sauki ce, kuma sakamakon yana haifar da bala'i, tunda tsarin da aka sarrafa ya karu da dama a tsakanin sauran abubuwa, bangon baya a cikin tsari yana nufin samun cikakkiyar dama ga tsarin, wani abu da bai faru ba da baya da aka ambata a cikin BSD.
Sun dawo da cokali mai yatsu na Debian ba tare da systemd ba tuni yana da shafin yanar gizo. Da alama aikin yana tafiya da mahimmanci. https://devuan.org/
ISOs da aka sabunta da wasu sabbin lodawa.
https://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?board=50.0
Mai sakawa bai bayyana ba sosai, ba zan iya bin matakan su ba, musamman ma a ɓangaren ɓangaren, ban san dalilin da ya sa suka nace kan waɗannan abubuwa masu rikitarwa ba.
Akwai wani abu da yake daukar hankalina game da netinstall tare da Openrc, wani wuri a cikin shigarwa Ina ci gaba da ganin saƙon da kuke tsara tsarin, shin da gaske za su kasance marasa tsari ko amfani da shi?
Sannu Manuel, Na kuma lura da abu iri ɗaya yayin girkawa, dole ne ya kasance batun mai sakawa ne saboda abin da babu kokwanto shi ne cewa ba a shigar da tsarin ba, kun tabbatar a cikin tashar kamar haka: pacman -Qs openrc
gaisuwa
Sannu keos, da farko dai ina neman afuwa saboda ban amsa ba a baya. Ina matukar jin daɗin amsar da kuka bayar, ina farin cikin sanin cewa Manjaro yana ba da wannan zaɓi; da zarar Ubuntu Precise na tallafi ya ƙare (ko kuma da sannu) zan girka shi. Gaisuwa.
Kyakkyawan matsayi
Zan jira a Manjaro tare da Systemd yayin da sigar OpenRC ta kara girma kaɗan, Ina so in fita daga tsarin… (Na jike shi)