Lenet Poettering kawai an sake shi a cikin tsarin umarni "machinectl shell" wanda ake amfani da shi don kirkirar zama na musamman wanda aka kebe shi daga asalin zaman, kamar dai tsohon umarnin Unix "su". Bayanin Lennart shi ne na gaba:
Da kyau, an daɗe ana tattaunawa game da wannan, amma matsalar ita ce abin da 'ya' ya kamata ya yi bai bayyana ba. A gefe guda yakamata ya buɗe sabon zama kuma ya canza wasu sigogin aiwatar da mahallin aiwatarwa (uid, gid, env, ...), kuma a gefe guda ya kamata ya gaji ra'ayoyi da yawa daga asalin zaman (tty, cgroup, audit , ...) Kamar yadda yake a bayyane yake a bayyane ya zama ainihin haɗakar tsofaffi da sababbin sifofi. Don kiyaye wannan da ɗan sassauƙa mun yanke shawarar kawai canza mafi ƙarancin mafi ƙarancin, kuma hakan yana cire XDG_RUNTIME_DIR, musamman saboda XDG_RUNTIME_DIR yana haɗe tare da aiwatar da zaman / binciken kuma ba mu canza shi ba. Madadin haka, kawai muna cire shi.
A takaice: "nasa" karyayyen ra'ayi ne. Yana ba ku nau'in harsashi, kuma yana da kyau a yi amfani da shi don wannan, amma ba cikakkiyar hanyar shiga ba ce, kuma bai kamata a yi kuskure da ɗaya ba.
Wannan ya fito sau da yawa, amma babu abin da ya canza, saboda haka na rufe shi. Na fahimci cewa wannan abin rudani ne kuma ba zato ba tsammani, amma wannan UNIX ce ... »
Wannan bidiyon yana nuna amfani da umarnin inji a cikin Fedora Rawhide (reshen ci gaba) tare da tsarin 225 (fitowar kwanciyar hankali na gaba)
Koda lokacinda shigar SystemD cikin zuciyar kwayar Linux? Tare da hadin gwiwar masu amfani, basu gane cewa Lennart Poettering yana son maye gurbin shigar "su" a tushen tsarin [tushen] ta hanyar shiga ta hanyar nasa SystemD?, Ta waccan hanyar kake son sarrafa duk masu amfani daga tushen tsarin. Babban yaya?.
SystemD ainihin ƙaramin kwaya ce ta biyu kuma yana rufe kwari, ba tare da samar da wani abu a madadin madadin inganta aikin SysV da ake sauyawa ba. Idan ka shiga lambar tushe ta SystemD, za ka lura cewa babu tsokaci kuma babu komai a ciki, ina fata ba za ka cire wannan bayanin ba.
Menene matsalar sabbin abubuwa? Idan ba shi da amfani daga baya, ba za a yi amfani da shi ba. Kamar yadda sauki kamar yadda cewa. Idan da sysv yayi kyau kwarai da kowa ya karbe shi. A ƙarshe ana amfani da mafi kyawun / mafi dacewa
Kayi kuskure bawai muna adawa da sabbin abubuwa bane, kana adawa da babban NIH na Lennart da tawagarsa wadanda suka kirkiro dabarun, kuma a lokaci guda karya karfin aiki da aikace-aikace dayawa.
Mai amfani da Windows yana magana game da sarrafa mai amfani da kutsawa cikin mamayewa, menene 😀
Yana da fahimtar maganganun da kuke yi wa waɗanda ba sa amfani da SystemD, yadda kuke amfani da gwajin Fedora na Red Hat don ƙaddamar da sabon salo, inda Lennart Poettering mai haɓaka aikin SystemD, wanda ba da daɗewa ba zai kawo ƙarshen tsarin tsaro daga tushe, gabatarwa nasa Hanyar Shiga ciki, daga ƙarshe ya zama kwayarsa-LenuX / SystemdOS, don tallatawa zuwa duniyar kyauta, tsohuwar mafarkin Red Had.
@worn, mutumin da yake amfani da Windows yace shi hahahahaha
Wannan mai amfani, yana amfani da abin da ya fito daga gare su kuma wataƙila a wancan lokacin yana cikin Win saboda larura, ban da abin da ya faɗa babbar gaskiya ce, fuck ko wanene.
Lambar tushe ba tare da sharhi ba ... a ganina basa son sauƙaƙa fahimtar lambar ko ƙarfafa sa hannu, saboda hakan zai kasance.
Kuma ƙari mafi yawa shine wanda yake rubutu daga mafi yawan amfani da distro na SystemD wanda yake dashi. : v
Wasu 'yan kananan abubuwa. Da farko dai "su" shiri ne wanda yake daga cikin tushen tsarin aikin da akafi sani da Linux, amma "su" baya cikin kwayar Linux. Waɗannan manyan shirye-shiryen sune GNU.
Na biyu. Sauyawa shine ainihin Linux, ba saboda wani abu koyaushe za'a ɗauke shi azaman abin da ba'a taɓawa ba, kamar dai yana da al'ada. Idan wani abu mafi kyau ya fito, za'a maye gurbinsa.
Lura da hankali, ban ce cewa "injictl shell" ya fi "su" kyau ba, kawai dai na gano wanzuwar na farkon ne kuma ina matukar birgewa. Zan yi bincike, amma har yanzu ban yanke shawara a kan wanne ya fi kyau ba.
A wani bangare na yarda da ku, a wani wuri na rubuta wani abu makamancin abin da kuke fada. Amma wanda ya fito daga Fedora yana da ɗan nuna son kai. Na fito daga ɗayan "buntus" da yawa. Ina daga Ruhun nana 6 kuma abin da ya shafe ni shine yadda suke yin sa. Ni ina goyon bayan kirkire-kirkire, amma ba daga kudin al'umma ba. Mutane da yawa suna ganin rabe-raben GNU / Linux a matsayin rauni, na ga hakan a matsayin ƙarfi. Idan ba don rarrabuwa ba, wa zai hana babbar daular fasaha "ka sanya mata suna" daga kiyaye wani bangare na GNU / Linux? Kamar yadda suke faɗi a nan, ga gashi halabu ne.
Aarya ce kamar haikalin cewa "wanda ya fito daga Fedora yana son zuciya"
Kuma yaya game da ni? Ina amfani da Fedora 'yan makonnin da suka gabata, kafin in kasance a cikin KaOS, Na yi amfani da Archlinux na dogon lokaci, Ina da sabar gida da nake amfani da Debian 8, kuma ina tsammani abin da duka suke da shi? AMFANI tsarin ...
Kuma waɗanda suka riga sun san ni sun san cewa ina amfani da Funtoo na shekara 1, (cewa na yi ƙaura daga Gentoo) .. amma duk da haka na yarda da notfrombroklin, gaskiyar cewa muna nuna juyayi ga tsarin, shin hakan yana sanya mu "son zuciya"? .
kuma .. tunda sunada masaniya sosai me yasa basa fara fork? (Ko suna yin "Argentinazo"? Hankali, Ni ɗan Argentina ne, kuma ga waɗanda basu fahimci abin da nake nufi ba zan bayyana: asaline a cikin Argentina abu ne gama gari kowa ya kirkiro "daraktocin fasaha" wato, kowa ya san abin da za a yi "da" yadda za a yi "da" abin da ya fi kyau "amma ba wanda ya yi shit: v hahaha) Na fara ina ganin Fedora, sai Archlinux ya kawo shi a matsayin tuta, sannan kuma Openuse, kuma lokacin da Debian ya karɓa, kowa ya rasa hankalinsa, Sun sami isasshen lokaci don "adawa" ko "nuna rashin jin daɗinsu" amma babu wanda ya yi komai ... don haka yanzu don riƙewa, ko bin falsafar software ta kyauta, ƙirƙira, abin da lambar ke nan, ni kaina ina da wata alaƙa da tsarin , amma na san kararrawa 2, sysadmins da ke korafi game da rajistar binary na bugun hanji da Systemd ke da su a wasu lokuta (ko kuma manyan irin su bidiyon da synflag ke ɗorawa suna ɓarnawa a cikin Systemd), kuma a ɗaya hannun na san sysadmins waɗanda suke godiya da "sabis" na Tsarin da ke sauƙaƙa abubuwa da yawa haka ne, gami da hauhawar matattun bayanai ... me na sani, ni ba sysadmin bane, ni dalibi ne mai ilimin tsarin kere-kere, kuma akwai mahaukacin saurayin da nake son tsarin daidaito na sassan kuma hakan ya bani damar ayyana sabis na akwatin juji wanda yake karkashin init Ba zan iya yin aiki da shi ba
Yana damuwa game da shigar tsarin cikin tushen tsarin, yana so ya kawo karshen tsaro na tsarin, kuma tsarin ya dogara ne kawai da "login systemd" dinsa, ba tare da bayar da cikakken bayani ba kamar yadda suka yi da KDBUS, suna gudanar da sanya kodin din na Linux ta ma'aikatan Lennart da kamfani, suna yin sake dasa D-BUS a cikin kwaya, a cikin yanayin kariya, sun wuce lambar mai amfani zuwa sararin kernel, amma masu amfani sunyi shiru game da matsaloli da busg da yake samarwa don kare tsarin da yake ƙarewa tare da 'yanci. Ba da daɗewa ba masu amfani da Linux za su yi watsi da mace zuwa wani tsarin da ba shi da tsari
ya fi hankali don saka DBUS ko wani abu makamancin haka a cikin kwaya .. ko kuma a ina kuke tsammanin "amsar" tsarin kamar Haiku ta fito ko menene BeOS? ... http://diegocg.blogspot.com.ar/2014/02/por-que-kdbus.html
Matsayi nayi a gaban wani abu wanda baka san shi ba Edu .. !! Akwai mahimman batutuwan da za a tattauna akasin haka. Kernel na Linux yana da firmware na mallaka mai yawa wanda yakamata ya zama abin damuwa ne matuka idan, a matsayinka na mai wayo mai amfani, ka yaba da amincin abin da kakeyi akan na'urar Gnu linux.
Ba za ku iya yin da'awar cewa kun san da yawa ba idan ba ku san abin da ya sa abubuwa suke faruwa ba .. !! Ina ba da shawarar fara yi wa kanka bayani kafin ka fitar da tsokaci wadanda suka sanya kwarewar ka a cikin gwaji ...
Ko ƙaura zuwa ba-Parabola FSF wanda ke tallafawa distro.
Abu mai kyau FreeBSD ya wanzu ga waɗanda muke son UNIX. A gare ni, ciwo mai yawa, GNU / linux ya mutu.
GNU / Systemd-Lennux
Wannan shine abin da za a kira GNU / Linux na gaba, babban burin da ake jira na Red Hat, tsawon shekaru suna sha'awar mamaye kernel na Linux, da kaɗan kaɗan suna cimma shi zuwa ga mafi rinjaye don kasuwancinsa.
Hahahahahahahahahaha wannan labarin ya zama rana ta 😀
Shin »naka» ya lalace? Wannan wane irin wawanci ne?
Kuma yanzu mai goyan bayan tsarin zai ce gaskiya ne, cewa "su" koyaushe an karye kuma sabon "su-systemd" ya ninka sau 1000 saboda yana da sanduna da masu rahusa cheap
Wannan shine ainihin abin da ya ɓace don tsananin damuwa game da tsari da abin da yake yi a cikin GNU / Linux.
Pro-systemd Gentlemen wanda ke ba da shawara game da shi saboda ra'ayin cewa GNU / Linux ya rarrabu sosai, zan gaya muku wani abu, akwai mafi kyau, mafi yawan jama'a, marasa ƙarfi da hanyoyin da za a bi don yin waɗannan canje-canje, Lennart da kamfani suna bin wata manufa mai ban mamaki daga Red Hat, kuma wannan labarin yana sa abubuwa su ƙara bayyana, wannan hatsari ne. Idan kuna son GNU / Linux su sami tushe ɗaya don haɓaka hulɗa da daidaitawa tsakanin distros, bari in gaya muku cewa wannan ba hanya bane, ko kuma a'a ba mafi kyawunsu ba. Haƙiƙa abin kunya cewa wannan yana faruwa: /
Ban fahimci abin farin ciki ba, mai rikitarwa, da kuma shawarwarin da kuke amfani da su don kai hari kan tsarin. A cikin lamura da yawa suna raba ra'ayoyi wadanda suka hada da kalmomin da suke da mummunar fahimta kamar: cin zali, kumbura, tilastawa, da sauransu, har ma da mahimman rashi a cikin maganar.
Amma dalilan fasaha sun fi zurfin gaske saboda mahallin da ake la'akari da amfani da shi, ci gaban sa da gudanarwar sa ya keɓance da gaske. Yin amfani da waɗannan sharuɗɗan yana sauƙaƙa sauƙin sarrafa abubuwa don ɗaukar mutane da tausayawa. Abu ne mai sauƙi yayin magana game da 'yanci, adalci, tilastawa har ma da ƙarin sifofin. Dubi kadan a cikin sharhinku da iyakancewar da kuke yi kan ra'ayoyin da kuka ɗauka don daidaita tsarin, zan iya cewa ba tare da tsoron yin kuskure ba, yin kimantawa ɗaya a kan wasu ayyukan, cewa su ma za su sami irin wannan darajar, har ma da mafi muni. Me ya sa? Ba batun nutsuwa bane, sanyi ne kuma mai ma'ana, ana amfani da roƙon motsin rai don shawowa. Mafi girman bambancin an iyakance shi ne ga rashin daidaituwa a tsarin software ko aikin da ke sarrafa ta, saboda bisa ga wasu al'adu da fahimta ba hanya ce madaidaiciya ba saboda ba'a san ta ba.
Wannan yana faruwa a nan.
Alal misali:
"" Nasa "ya karye? Wannan wane irin rashin hankali ne? "
Mawaki bai ce "nasa" ya karye ba. Amma batun cewa "nasa" yana wakilta.
Anan akwai mahimman bayanai game da bayanai.
«Lemwararrun masu tallata tsarin mulki waɗanda ke ba da shawara game da hakan saboda ra'ayin cewa GNU / Linux ya rabu biyu, zan gaya muku wani abu, akwai mafi kyau, mafi yawan jama'a, marasa haɗari da hanyoyin da za a bi don yin waɗannan canje-canje, Lennart da kamfani suna bin sosai ba safai ake samun jar Hat ba, kuma wannan labarin yana ƙara bayyana ne kawai, wannan HATSARI ne. "
Anan an nuna tsarin a matsayin babban dandamali ne, ba isasshe na gari ba, da kuma aiwatarwar da bai dace ba a duniya. Da farko dai, ya kamata a lura da kalmar "cin zali", tana da ma'ana mara kyau saboda ta shafi amfani da karfi. Amma bayani game da gine-ginen an ba shi sau da yawa kuma gabaɗaya sun cancanta. Tsararren tsabtace isa don haɗawa cikin tsarin ko canza shi don mafi kyau. Don ayyana abin da ya fi yawa ko ƙasa da al'umma, dole ne mu zama mafi takamaiman bayani, amma ban fahimci dalilin da ya sa za a bi da tsari ta irin wannan hanya ta musamman ba. Theungiyar da ke cikin ci gaba da gwaji sun isa sosai don a yi la'akari da al'umma. Kuma ko da ba haka ba, software ce ta kyauta. Kalmar "tilastawa" galibi ana iya kallonta da kyau, amma ba ta wasu fuskokin ba. Yakamata ya zama a bayyane. Zai iya zama tilas ba tare da wani nau'in haɗin haɗi na mai saka kayan Debian ba, ta aikin Debian. Kuma sanannu ne suyi aiki da kyau kuma suna biyan buƙatun shigarwa ga masu amfani da tsarin da ɗorawa mara kyau idan buɗeSuse ya yanke shawarar ƙara ƙwaya mara kyau. Za'a iya sanya yawancin ɓangarorin software kuma akwai hanyoyi daban-daban don yin hakan. A wannan yanayin duk abin da masu haɓakawa suka yarda da shi tare da abubuwan da suka sha bamban da na Red Hat. Kuna da mutane daga Suse, Debian, Arch Linux, Fedora, Mageia, da dai sauransu. Abun ba'a ne don ƙirƙirar ka'idar maƙarƙashiya don wannan.
Da kyau, an ba da dalilai da yawa a cikin wasu maganganun ba nawa ba kawai har ma da sauran masu amfani, masu haɓakawa da sysadmins a cikin tsarin tsarin. Yin magana game da shi akai-akai a wannan lokacin ya sa na zama malalaciya, domin duk da cewa a lokacin na kuma gabatar da dalilai masu gamsarwa, na gabatar da kwari ba tare da gyarawa ba, gwajin takunkumi a cikin bugreports, matsalolin tsaro da masu haɓaka suka haifar da kansu, sauran abubuwa, duk abin da ya kasance "wucewa daga wannan kunnen zuwa wancan" ga masu goyon bayan tsarin a makance. Cewa sa hannun na da matukar motsa rai? Tabbas banyi niyar yin katsalandan ta hanyar fasaha akan batun ba, magana akan abubuwan fasaha anan yana da rikitarwa, domin wannan shine IRC ko mafi kyawun jerin ci gaba.
Na fayyace cewa kodayake ina tsammanin wannan tsarin yana da kyau "init" (fahimci wannan ra'ayi da kyau) tare da wasu fasali masu ban sha'awa, masu haɓaka tsarin sun karɓi lasisi da gwatso don canza abubuwa da yawa a cikin GNU / Linux wanda a ƙarshe wannan " init »(idan ana iya kiransa a wannan lokacin) ya zama tilas a garesu (ƙirƙirar masu dogaro da ci gaba na yanzu da na nan gaba), saboda a lokaci guda suna haɓaka tsarin suna ƙara wahalarta kuma ci gaban wasu zaɓuɓɓuka na iya zama ma ba zai yiwu ba a nan gaba, kamar yadda lamarin yake ga aikin eudev na Gentoo, wanda ci gaban tsarinsa / udev ya sha wahala a lokuta daban-daban saboda ci gaban tsarin, kuma wanda Lennart ya riga ya ba da alamar abin da ke jiran su.
systemd na iya zama kyakkyawan zabi kamar init, amma ka tuna, tsarin yanzu yana da ginannen http micro-uwar garken, ssh damar don shiga nesa, dns, mdns, dhcp, nspawn, rajistan ayyukan, dbus, mount, inotify, musayar sarrafawa , Gudanar da adadin, hadewa tare da XDG_RUNTIME, selinux, pam, hadewar SSL, cikakken tsarin gudanar da iri da kuma hotunan gaggawa, kadan kadan kadan yana kara hadewa da btrfs, gudanarwa na / dev / bazuwar (idan iri daya ne yake bamu amintattun makullai: D, conspiranoicos sun gudu), hadewa tare da kundin tsarin mulki, shiga, gudanar da kexec, kuma yanzu gata gata hade da duk wannan.
Na gode.
Ra'ayoyi, gabaɗaya, binciken mutum ne (wani batun shine, misali, ra'ayin jama'a). Suna da hali mai jayayya, kuma na iya zama mai kyau da mara kyau. Suna bin gaskiya, amma ba za su iya tabbatar da ita ba. Madadin haka, suna fifita kishiyar sa, wanzuwar "sauran" ra'ayi. Yana da kyau a gare su su yi amfani da kalmomin da akasin haka suka zama masu jin daɗi da kuma "zurfin" mummunan. Yin shiga cikin muhawara mai mahimmanci na iya haifar da waɗannan nau'ikan ra'ayi da ji. Wannan ya kamata a fahimta cikin sauki.
Ga wani don ya ga hujjojin abokin hamayya "suna da rudani" na iya zama dabarar raba dabaru da akasin haka. Dabara ce irin ta wani don bata masa suna (kamar ni a nawa ganin lamarin haka yake, saboda ra'ayoyin Yukiteru ba masu rikitarwa bane)
Iyaka tsakanin ba da shawara (hanya mai kyau ta magana game da magudi) da niyyar shawowa, na iya zama mai rauni dangane da launin gilashin da aka kalle shi. Yana sake tantance mana inda ake amfani da motsi. A wannan halin, Yukiteru ya kasance ɗayan mutane a cikin al'umma waɗanda suka yi jayayya mafi kyau kuma mafi kyau game da matsaloli da sakamakon amfani da tsari. Koyaushe daga wahala. Hukunce-hukuncensa na fasaha sun kasance masu zurfin fahimta da ma'ana (Ina gayyatarku da ku bi zaren tattaunawar ko tsokaci akan wannan shafin don ku iya karanta su ku gani da kanku). Ketare bayanansa a matsayin maguɗi hanya ce ta zubar da mutuncinsa a cikin ƙungiyar.
Wannan 'Poettering bai faɗi cewa' nasa 'ya karye ba. Amma manufar da ke wakiltar 'nasa' »? Rikici. Faɗa masa abin da kuke so, amma 'su' amfani ne, umarni, wanda ke amfani da ra'ayi. Don Allah, kada mu zama masu wayewa.
"Bayanin gine gininta an sha bayarwa a lokuta da dama kuma gabaɗaya suna da hujja", hanya ce ta huce haushin maganganun sannan a sasanta batun lokacin da ba a kammala muhawarar ba. Rashin jituwa ga wadannan bayanan "halattattu" ya yadu a tsakanin al'umma, kuma rikicinsu kamar ba shi da iyaka. Akwai kyawawan dalilai don tunanin cewa tsarin "wani yanki ne mai mamayewa, duk da haka" mara kyau "yana iya zama alama. Bayanin da ake yawan nunawa game da rukunin masu tsarin ba sa gamsarwa ko karfafa gwiwa ga wani bangare mai matukar muhimmanci, wanda da yawa ke son yin shuru da lafazin batanci game da "ci gaba" da "ragi" na zargi mai kyau.
Rikici tare da tsarin yana haifar da rashin jituwa mai tsanani, yana tambayar waɗannan abubuwan waɗanda ke bayyana ainihin ma'anar GNU-Linux. Muna zaune a cikin haƙiƙanin gaskiya saboda abubuwan da basu dace ba. Ba zai dace ba saboda kuna son mayar da tsarin tsari. Axioms a cikin GNU-Linux akwai, tabbas, amma babu wata yarjejeniya da tsarin ya kasance ko ya ƙare kasancewa.
Na gode,
Abin da ya ce game da "nasa", wanda ya gauraya sigogin mahallin, gaskiya ne, amma saboda haka kiran shi "wanda aka kirkira ya karye" yana wuce gona da iri. Lokacin da aka ƙirƙira shi abin al'ajabi ne kuma gaskiyar cewa yana aiki shine ana ci gaba da amfani dashi har yanzu. Kodayake gaskiya ne cewa mafi kyawun ba koyaushe ake ganowa / ƙirƙira / ƙirƙirar farko ba, wannan sabon ƙirar na iya zama ko bazai zama wani abu mafi kyau ba.
Abin da ke bayyane cewa kushewa ga sukan ba zai sami wuri ba.
Saboda son sani, ba ku kadai ba, Yukiteru, amma duk ku masu adawa da tsarin, ku sani cewa tsarin yana daɗa shiga cikin tsarin farawa kuma yana da wuyar cire shi, cikin shekaru 10 lokacin da don haka ya haɗu cewa zai zama tsari ko wani abu wanda ba Linux ba, shin zaku canza zuwa bsd ko windows?
Idan ka duba sharhi a saman dama zaka ga cewa yana amfani da freebsd
A nawa bangare, ina fatan GNU / Hurd 😉
Gyara «lasrgas» ya yi kama D:
Kuma ku gaya mani 😀
"Da" ya fi muni.
Na zo ne kawai in faɗi haka. Har yanzu idona na zubar da jini.
"Akwai" tattaunawa mai tsawo.
Na riga na gyara duka
Daga matsayina na mai son Linux (ba fanboy ba, saboda na yarda cewa har yanzu ina amfani da Windows saboda AutoCAD, Adobe suite, CorelDraw da wasu kalmomin macros waɗanda LibreOffice da WPS suke yin ƙwallo don buɗe daidai godiya ga wawanci OOXML da nau'ikan nau'ikan kayan kwalliya), SystemD, duk da haka yana iya zama mai kyau, ban gan shi a matsayin tabbataccen bayani a matakin masana'antu ba, tunda SynFlag ya nuna cewa wannan INIT tana da farkon farawa cike da kwari da glitches waɗanda suka lalata mutunci daga OS, don haka lokacin da na fara gwajin Debian Jessie a reshen gwaji, a ƙarshe na sami nasarar cire SystemD ɗin daga gare ta, amma farin ciki ya ɗan gajarta sosai a lokacin lokacin gwajin. A ƙarshen rana, na gama tare da Debian Jessie wanda ya zo tare da SystemD tare da SysVinit, don haka ba ya daina karya fasalin tsarin koyo.
A wani bangaren kuma, zabin da ya fi dacewa shine FreeBSD da OpenBSD, amma za'a bada shawarar idan kayan aikin ka sun kasance tsakanin 2004 da 2008, saboda BSD tana mai da hankali fiye da komai akan bangaren sabar (a zahiri, FreeBSD da OpenBSD sun fi KISS fiye da Arch da Slackware, don haka yayin da modus operandi na shigar da wasu kayan aikin na iya bambanta, sakamakon zai zama iri ɗaya ko mafi kyau).
Zuwa yanzu Debian Jessie ta yi aiki mai kyau wurin kiyaye SystemD, amma ina fata Stretch zai maye gurbin SystemD da UselessD, saboda abin baƙin ciki, idan kuna son sanin fiye da abin da dmesg ke ba ku, ba shi da amfani kamar yadda waɗanda suke. rajistan ayyukan.
GNU / SystemD-LennuX Yana tafiya
Shin ba zai fi kyau ba idan wannan mutumin ya kirkiro nasa OS, kuma ya daina canza abubuwa?
Wataƙila nufin su da gudummawar su na da girma, amma ina jin cewa abu ne kaɗan don mamaye abin da mutum yake amfani da shi. Kodayake GNU / Linux kyauta ne don gyaruwa, Ina jin cewa har zuwa wani lokaci ana ɗora wa mutumin abubuwa da yawa, ban ce ba shi da kyau ba amma halin da ake ciki bai gamsar da ni ba, a hankali muna tare da SElinux, SystemD yanzu wannan: /
Wataƙila dole ne in bar baka kuma in juya zuwa FreeBSD 🙁
Da alama haɗari ne a gare ni cewa wani ɓangaren abin da ya kamata ya zama ɓangare na tsarin yana da nasa tsarin izini.
Irin wannan motsin yana sanya ni ganin abu karara sosai. Idan abubuwa basu canza ba, ina matukar tsoron cewa bayan wasu shekaru GNU / Linux zasu mutu kuma systemdOS ne kawai zai rage. Tuni suna manne da alfarwansu a cikin kwaya tare da yardar Mister Torvalds.
Idan ya ci gaba a haka, wannan mutumin zai ce kwaya ma ta karye kuma dole ne a canza shi zuwa systemdkernel kuma ta wannan hanyar Mista Torvalds zai ci gaba da zama ba shi da aikin yi da kuma sararin samaniyar Linux kamar yadda muka sani cewa kawai zai zama abin tunawa.
kuma shit. a gare ni koda yaushe sudo su ne, idan suka juya wancan sama, zan bar linux.
Shekaru sun shude kuma mutumin yana ci gaba da haifar da rikici. Na yi tunani cewa tare da gwagwarmaya a 2013-2014 debian da faduwar shugabannin 8 na gamsu. "Su" ya riga yana da haɗari, shin muna buƙatar wata?? Tun da ya bar tashar ta buɗe zuwa tushe kuma a halin yanzu mai amfani yana gudana a ƙasa, har sai ba mu buga hanyar fita ba. "Su" Na ce yana nan don samun dama daga nesa - a bayyane yake harsashi ne , ba zane-zane ba-, don kar ayi amfani da kalmar wucewa iri ɗaya (sudo) don hawa gata a cikin zaman SSH. Waɗannan abubuwan da mai amfani da tebur bai sani ba ko yake da su. Ubuntu ta kashe shi.
Kuma a nan zamu sake komawa ...
Mutanen da ba su fahimci abin da ke faruwa ba bai kamata su ba da ra'ayinsu ba, sai dai idan sun kasance maƙarƙashiya.
Ni, da ma mai amfani da yukitero da sauran mutane da yawa, sun gaji da lura da shirye-shiryen jan hular, don haka ba shi da amfani a maimaita kamar aku ... akwai wani tsohon magana da ke yin addu'a ... don kyakkyawar fahimta ... 'yan kalmomi.
Duk da yake kwanan nan na karanta bayanin da na yi farin ciki ... akwai rayuwa sama da Gentoo da openrc, abin ban mamaki kamar yadda ake iya gani.
http://lamiradadelreplicante.com/2015/08/30/manjaro-fluxbox-0-8-13-1-dos-sistemas-de-inicio-a-elegir/
Ina ba da shawara ga waɗanda suka fito don neman tsari ... karanta maza da yawa kuma gaskiya za ta bayyana sarai a gaban idanunku.
Ina shirin barin ArchLinux in nemi wani tsayayye ba tare da SystemD ba ko kuma, idan ba haka ba, in yi ƙaura kai tsaye zuwa samfurin BSD.
Abin takaici ne abin da ke faruwa tare da GNU / Linux kuma yawancin masu haɓaka abubuwa daban-daban suna goyon bayan son zuciyar Mista Lennart Poettering maimakon adawa da shi.
Gwada tushen Antix na Debian wanda ya zo ba tare da SystemD ba.
😀
Ina tunanin Devuan a matsayin mai maye gurbinsa ko Manjaro tare da OpenRC wanda hakan ma zai iya zama kyakkyawan zaɓi la'akari da cewa ƙungiyar Manjaro tana samar da ci gaban abota tare da tallafi ga SystemD da OpenRC.
zaka iya amfani da baka ba tare da tsari ba, amma hey kuma zaka iya amfani da Linux Mint din na debian baya shirin girka shi kuma ga alama Clement lefebvre (mahaliccin sa) baya son shi sosai.
Gaskiyar ita ce ban san komai game da al'amura ba tunda ni ba injiniya bane ko mai tsara shirye-shirye, amma ba za a iya amfani da su cikin tsari ba don karya tsarin ta hanya mafi sauki?
Ina tsammanin akwai kyawawan dalilai don adawa da tsarin. BA saboda yadda cin zali yake ba, wanda a karan kansa yake, amma gaskiyar cewa yana haɗuwa da kernel ɗin kanta kuma yana sanya wuya ga sauran hanyoyin da za'a tsara su zama masu wahalar aiki da su. Na san abin da nake magana game da shi kuma ina ma'anarsa tare da gogewata a cikin archlinux. Ni mai amfani ne da tsarin Openrc init kuma dole ne in faɗi cewa ba koyaushe yake fasawa ba, amma akwai lokuta cewa akwai abubuwan da basa aiki sosai kuma na san cewa saboda canje-canjen da tsarin ke buƙata koyaushe a sanya su zuwa kernel don sanya Linux ta dace da tsarin amma a lokaci guda ƙasa da jituwa tare da sauran init.
Don haka bari muyi tunani kuma mu ɗauki tambaya mai zuwa azaman tunani, shin ba tsarin farawa bane wanda ake ɗauka mai cutarwa da haɗari, idan yana ɗaukar halayen fiye da waɗanda suke buƙata, amma kuma maƙasudin sa shine a daidaita tsarin farko (a wannan yanayin Kernel na Linux) tare da sauran tsarin taya yafi rashin jituwa da matsala? Shin wannan ba ze zama kamar ya sabawa ka'idoji da manufofin Free Software ba? Shin ba kwa tunanin cewa asalin da ake yin wani abu shine mafi mahimmanci (kuma wannan ina nufin manufa ko nufin mahaliccin) kuma ba sakamakon yana da kyau ko mara kyau ba? (Dauki misali gano makaman nukiliya da kuma amfani da shi, wanda ya dogara musamman kan abin da mai amfani da shi ke amfani da shi. Shin don samar da tsarin makamashi ko bam din hallaka jama'a.)
A ƙarshe, ga alama a gare ni cewa haka ne. Ma'anar tsarin tsari ba dadi bane, a wasu kalmomin babban ra'ayi ne. Amma nufin mahaliccinsa abin gaskatawa ne kuma manufofinsa ba su da kusan kusan abin da yakamata software ta kyauta, musamman ɓangaren haƙƙin zaɓar akasari, ƙaddamar da haƙƙin al'umma don yanke shawara ko wani abu ya dace da wannan aikin don tsarin narkewa, musamman don yankin sharar gida (kar a faɗi ainihin abin da na yi tsammani), lura da cewa a zahiri wannan aikin yana hidimar wannan al'umma kuma ra'ayinsu yana da fifiko sosai, kamar yadda zai iya zama kamar ko a'a kuma yakamata a yi bincike mai kyau sannan a gwada shi kafin a jefar da shi. Koyaya, a ganina wannan Mutumin bai damu da duk wata al'umma da ya dogara da ita ba, da alama ya damu da nasarorin nasa ne kawai kuma a bayyane yake cewa nasarorin ya dogara ne da tsarin fara tsarin sa, ba tare da la'akari da tsada ba na dogon lokaci da tasirin da zai iya yi wa al'umma da sauran ayyukan.
Na karanta game da ingantattun dalilan da yasa mutane da yawa suke adawa da tsari kuma suna ganin sun dace kuma suna da amfani a wurina, amma wannan mutumin da kuma na sani, ba wai kawai yayi watsi dasu bane, amma kuma yana yin sa ne da lafazin wulakanci kuma na kuskure a ce girman kai da cike da girman kai. Kuma wannan shine dalilin da yasa tsarin farawa ya cika da kwari, halaye masu ban mamaki na tsarin abubuwa da sauran abubuwa da yawa waɗanda masu amfani da yawa suka manta da su waɗanda suka faɗi kamar ƙudaje don aikinta mai sauƙi amma cike da irin waɗannan tarko da ma'adinai suna jiran wani Na taka su don fashewa.
A ganina damuwar abokin aikinmu Yukitero daidai ne kuma ina jin tsoron cewa ko da an yi daidai kuma a matsayina na mai Amfani sosai, zan iya cewa na raba su kuma wannan shine dalilin da ya sa nake amfani da openrc a maimakon haka, kodayake daidaiton tsarin ya zama da wuya a gare ni da kuma amfani da Archlinux, wanda nake matukar kaunarsa dari bisa dari.
PS: Na yi farin cikin ba da wannan yanayin na hankali ga bayanin, don ƙara ɗan raha ga tattaunawar, kuna da izinin yin dariya idan hanyar da nake bayyana ra'ayina ta zama kamar ta cika magana !: P
Kuna da gaskiya kuma zan ƙara cewa Lennart shine fuskokin jama'a, amma tsari a fili abu ne na Red Hat kuma a halin yanzu ina zargin cewa wataƙila NSA tana da wani abu da ita. Ba na tsammanin suna son gaskiyar cewa akwai mashahurin OS wanda ba za su iya sarrafawa ba (Ina nufin NSA).
Wani tsokaci da yake sanya rana ta.
Na yarda da abin da kuka ce, tsarin babban ra'ayi ne, har zuwa daidai lokacin da kuke son yin abubuwan da basu dace da abin da yake nuna ba, wanda yake daidai ne.
Ga waɗanda suke tunanin ina magana ne kawai, ina cewa ina amfani da tsarin tun lokacin da Arch Linux ya yi ƙaura zuwa gare ta, kuma a wancan lokacin, mutane da yawa za su tuna tasirin da ta yi, da yawa tsarin sun mutu ko tare da iyakantaccen aiki saboda ƙaura (minti na shiru ga mamacin da ke cikin gida ... aminci ga rauninku: D).
Yanzu abin da ba na so a cikin tsari shine NIH mai ban mamaki cewa masu haɓakawa suna wahala, suna ƙoƙarin haɓaka ƙafafun saboda kawai suna so kuma suna so, a gaban wannan na yi tambaya mai sauƙi:
Shin ba za su iya sanya waɗancan mafi kyawu kai tsaye a asalin asalin su ba kuma ta wannan hanyar ce duk al'umma, har ma da waɗanda ke ɓata tsarin, za su ji daɗin ci gaban?
A ganina wannan shine mafi kyawun zaɓi fiye da sake duk abubuwansa da saka shi a matsayin wani ɓangare na faɗin duniya wanda ke ɗauke da shi, yana sanya lambar ba kawai ta fi girma ba, amma har ma tana da rikitarwa, da wahalar yin hacking (samun kalmar daidai), tare da sawun ƙwaƙwalwar ajiya mafi girma. Dayawa zasu ce: "Akwai wadataccen tunani."
Na gode.
Zan faɗi irin abin da na faɗa a kan hanyoyin sadarwar sada zumunta na: Shit a kan Systemd, Lennart Pototo da duk abin da ya ƙunsa. Ban san wanda ya fi muni ba, ko don amfani da Windows ko amfani da wannan shirmen .. FreeBSD, na gan ku .. na gan ku ..
Kuna da gaskiya, a wurina a matsayina na mai amfani na lura cewa Debian Jessie ba ta tafiya daidai da Wheezy kuma tana yin abubuwan da ban san dalili ba amma kuna kuskure game da abu ɗaya, ba wai ya fi kyau windows ko wannan ba, muna kan hanya a nan gaba kuma ana kiransa winux 😛
Ina fatan idan Devuan wata rana ya ga haske sai su buga lambar kyauta da suke magana da ita kuma ɗayan ya watsa wannan har ya cika tunda duk wannan abin ne ya sanya kunnenka birgima.
Yi haƙuri, amma na fi so sau dubu cewa Debian Stretch ya maye gurbin SystemD tare da UselessD don daidaitawa, tunda Devuan bai nuna sha'awar amfani da wannan cokali mai yatsa wanda ya ba da tabbacin dacewa da 100% tare da sauran INITs kamar SysVinit ba.
Har yanzu muna da free systemd distros. Ina karantawa game da girka Gentoo don maye gurbin Arch, Na kuma ga cewa yana amfani da kwayar BSD idan kuna so, Ina son ra'ayin samun madadin na Linux a cikin wannan yanayin, ina fata da mun sami Hurd ma.
A gefe guda tare da LinuxMint Zan jira in ga abin da suka yanke shawara. Idan har sun aiwatar da tsari, to ni kuma zan nemi madadin dangin.
Na ga wannan labari da zarar ya fito, ban rubuta komai ba don kar cizon yatsa, me ya sa ya karye? A ina aka ga hakan? Maimakon gyara abin da ya "karye" sai suka kirkiri wani abu madadin ... wanda ya dogara da (sake) tsarin ... Shin akwai wanda ya sami wannan REDHAT din ya ban mamaki? wanda ke amfani da Lennart azaman abin hawa? Da gaske? Kace min a'a ...
Shin kun san abin da aka toshe? Cewa lokacin da wani abu ya faru da gaske tare da duk wannan "sama" RedHat, Lennart da sauransu, to a wancan lokacin hanyoyin da muke dasu tuni zasu fara sake fitowa ... kuma zai kasance hargitsi. Kamar yadda suke faɗi anan: Babu wanda ya tuna San Pedro har sai aradu.
Da kyau kalli wannan: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/i-present-you-the-next-edition-of-freebsd.52956/#post-297728
Launchd yana zuwa kyauta Don haka ba zai dau lokaci ba rc ya bace daga freeBSD shima. Kuma ban san dalilin da yasa tsarin ya saba da farawa ba ...
Hujja ce ta banal.
Dubi tushen su, man su ko jar takardun hat kuma a can kuna da cikakken bayanin abin da yake yi.
Zai yiwu wasu distro suna yin abubuwa da yawa ƙananan abubuwa, amma hakan yana faruwa tare da software da yawa kyauta kuma wannan baya nufin cewa an rubuta 0 a nan gaba.
Dalili ne mara kyau, fiye da komai yana neman yardar masu amfani na asali waɗanda basa amfani da shi ko kuma basu san shi sosai ba.
Babu mummunan makanta kamar wanda baya son gani.
Dole ne ku kasance gogaggen mai amfani wanda dole ne ya san yadda tsarin yake, dole ne ku karanta lambar kuma ku fahimce ta 100% ko taimakon tsarin don fahimtar yadda yake aiki, abin da yake yi da abin da ba ya yi, a ce abokin tarayya yana da hujjojin banal.
Idan aka ce wani abu haramun ne to dole ne ku sami kyakkyawar hujja, da sauransu ..., don haka abin da mutum ya yi ƙoƙari ya nuna ko ba da ra'ayi ya kasance abin gaskatawa.
Idan ba mu rasa ba kuma ba mu ba da gudummawa ba.
Kuna tsammanin gardama ce mai kyau kada a yi amfani da "nasa" idan "bai san abin da yake yi ba?"
Bai san abin da yake yi ba wanda ba ya son ganin yadda yake aiki, ina tsammanin kawai a cikin duniyar kayan aikin kyauta abu ɗaya ne wanda ba za mu iya yin korafi ba, ba tare da sanin yadda wani abu yake aiki ba.
Sabuwar mafita na iya zama sihiri ne, ban tattauna ba ko sukar tsarin, ina sukar batun dalilin da yasa aka yi sabon umarni, har sai na ga wasu fa'idodi akan "su" Zan ci gaba da amfani da shi.
Babu wani lokaci da na koma ga wani tsokaci, kawai ga labarin, in dai hali.
cat / proc / sigar
Lissafin lennax 4.1.6-1-ARCH
Ruwan sama mai asali. 🙂
lsb_release -a
kayayyaki suna nan.
ID mai rarrabawa: Red ƙi
Bayani: LostDebian GNU / Linux (wanda aka rasa)
Saki: Lennax
Codename: lennaxOS
Ruwan sama mai asali. 🙂
lsb_release -a
Babu matakan LSB.
ID mai rarrabawa: Red Hate GNU / Linux.
Bayani: Lobian Debian GNU / Linux (Red Hate / LennaxOs)
Saki: Red Hate yana ɗaukar GNU / Linux.
Codename: lennaxOs 0.1.5
Yana damuwa game da shigar tsarin cikin tushen tsarin, yana son kawo karshen tsaron tsarin, kuma tsarin ya dogara ne kawai akan "tsarin shiga", ba tare da bayar da cikakken bayani ba kamar yadda sukayi da KDBUS, suna gudanar da sanya kodin din na Linux ta ma'aikatan Lennart da kamfani, suna yin sake dasa D-BUS a cikin kwaya, a cikin yanayin kariya, sun wuce lambar mai amfani zuwa sararin kernel, amma masu amfani sun yi shiru game da matsaloli da busg da yake samarwa don kare tsarin da yake ƙarewa tare da 'yanci. Ba da daɗewa ba masu amfani da Linux za su watsar da mace zuwa wani tsarin da ba shi da tsari
Abin da kuka fada gaskiya ne sosai, amma me za a yi?
Babu wani ko wani shugaba da ke tsara abin da ke faruwa, muna kan abin da ‘yan’uwa maza ke fada kuma suke dorawa saboda suna bayar da gudummawa gwargwadon ci gaba.
Ina kokarin tallafawa ta hanyar ba da gudummawa ga aikin Devuan kuma da fatan nan ba da daɗewa ba za a ga hasken rana don yin ɗan adawa ga abin da ake ƙirƙira shi da na redhat / NASA / CIA.
Ya yi imani cewa dole ne ku juya don ganin BSDS, idan dai ba sa tunanin yin wani abu makamancin haka.
Sun dawo da wannan koren, ya dogara da kernel, cokali mai yatsa yana da wuya a ƙare zuwa haɗawa zuwa LenuX / Sytemd-kernel. Ararrawar masu amfani waɗanda ke yin tsokaci a cikin majallu daban-daban, yana da tunanin rashin fata, a duk lokacin da tsarin ke shiga cikin ƙofar da tushen tsarin, wanda ba shi da kyau, yana yin ayyukan da basu dace da shi ba.
Devuan idan kuna son zama marasa tsari, lallai ne ku kirkiri "kernel cokali mai yatsu" wanda yake min wahala, kuma a ƙarshe baya ganin haske.
Me zai faru da ArchBSD?
Na ga cewa wasu a nan suna amfani da manufar "GNU / Systemd-Lennux", Ina jin cewa idan wannan ya ci gaba a haka, ba abin da zai rage na GNU, tuni sun fara da nasu ... me zai biyo baya?
An dauke ni a matsayin mai kullawa lokacin da nayi magana da dadewa game da tsari da kuma ra'ayin REDHAT na mamaye komai ta hanyar mamaye dukkan rikice-rikice tare da tsari kuma wannan yana ci gaba. Yanzu naku ne, gobe zai zama mai katako, ah a'a, hakan an gama ... da kyau zai zama PAM, ah shi ma an gama shi, ana kiran sa logind ... to network!, Ah no, wannan ma, ana kiran sa networkd ... da kyau, kawai jira don ganin yadda GNU / Linux zasu kasance systemd / Linux. Abinda ya rage na GNU shine glibc da wani abu dabam, domin hatta shugabannin FS sun canza shi.
Yi hankali idan Lennart baiyi kasa a gwiwa ba game da barkwancinsa na ranar wawa ta Afrilu kuma ya bi abin da ya fada game da yin ɗakunan karatu na C nasa da saka shi cikin tsari.
Ba zai iya zama 😀
Wannan dalla-dalla bai sani ba. Naku C?. Ban ce glibc ba shi da kwari ba (segfault lokacin amfani da regex a grep), kuma BSD libc ba shi da kyau. Amma daga nan zuwa sabo, wanda ba zai zama abu mai mahimmanci ba, amma sabon da aka yi cikin redhat?. Ya riga yayi yawa. A cikin 'yan shekaru zai yi kernel nasa tare da wasannin sa'a da kuma sluts ..
Da kyau, idan "ƙaramin wargi" wannan Lennart ɗin mai kyau ya ba da kansa a cikin jerin tsarin, amma tunda Lennart mai kyau yana son kiyaye maganarsa, koda kuwa suna da mummunan raha, abin tsoro ne a ce wata rana zai iya cika maganarsa, kuma ido, yana iya zama lokacin da baku tsammani ba.
Na kuma ambaci abin kwaya a cikin bayanin kula ɗaya, amma a wannan yanayin ya fi sha'awar ƙirar microdernel na Hurd, don haka yi hankali kuma ba ya yin haka 😀
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2013-March/010062.html
Ni kaina ba zan bar su don kwandon inji ba, da farko dai bana son in kara rubutawa don yin hakan, zamu tafi daga yadda ake bayanin labarin kuma daga sharhin karshen daidai yake duk da cewa yi ta wata hanya daban. Da kaina na ga abin banƙyama, mai kirkirar da zaka iya sanya pid, amma duk da haka ga alama mara kyau da aiki, lura cewa ni kaina ina son tsari kuma har yau ban samu kuskure ko ɗaya ba amma bana so in yi amfani da shi kuma ba zan so ba amfani da wannan "madadin" ba yau ba ko nan gaba.
Akwai wani abu wanda ba bayyananne sosai a gare ni ba kuma shine zan iya rikicewa ko ganinsa ta mahangar da ba daidai ba. Maganar magana, suna cire su kuma sun bar harsashin machinectl ta tsohuwa kuma azaman madadin kawai shine ku ma kuna amfani da machinectl maimakon sudo? (a takaice, idan za su encasquetaría harsashi maimakon su da sudo).
Af, dole ne kuma in faɗi cewa kafin ban goyi bayan tsari ba saboda ba ni da cron, tunda na gano cewa tsarin yana amfani da masu ƙidayar lokaci da kaina na bar ƙiyayya kuma na yi magana game da yanayin tsaka tsaki, na ga cewa mutane da yawa suna gunaguni game da tsari da duk abin da ba daidai ba shine. Babu abin da suke yi sai korafi kuma da kaina zan iya cewa idan ba sa son hakan za su iya zuwa rarrabawa ba tare da tsari, UNIX, tagogi ko wani abu ba, amma bayan duk, idan harka ba ta tallafawa tsarin, to kar a yi amfani da shi. Tabbas bana batun wadancan BSD din da suke yin tsokaci, ina nufin masu kiyayya da suke amfani da ubuntu, fedora, arch, debian, da sauransu, wadancan masu bin ka'idojin sune wadanda duk da korafin da rashin jin dadin har yanzu suna nan. Abu ne mai wahala ka canza, nayi shi sau da yawa na dogon lokaci, daga windows zuwa mandriva kuma lokacin da ya karye na kasance mai fama da hargitsi har sai da na hau baka da kaos. Lokacin da tsari ya zama matsala a gare ni, sai na fita daga rashi (idan bai aiwatar da tsarin ba tukuna), ko wasu birgima ba tare da tsari ba kuma ƙarshe zuwa bsd. Matsakaicin mai amfani da Linux yakamata ya zama mai wayo fiye da haka.
Shin za a sami mutanen da za su ji cewa 'an kore su' saboda tsari, har zuwa tsallaka zuwa Windows ko BSD? Matsayi ne mai wuce gona da iri, kuma shine abin da Malam Poettering da acolytes ke so. Cewa mutane basa tunani game da tsari kuma idan zai yiwu barin distro (s). An bayyana shi a matsayin mai tayarwa ko ƙiyayya. (John Sullivan na FSF yana ɗaya daga cikin "tarko" don kawai tambaya). An kai wannan matakin zalunci.
Tare da rikicewar kasuwanci kamar RHEL ko Fedora yana iya aiki (kuɗi da mulkin shugaba). Amma a cikin masu amfani da debian na iya buƙatar bin doka ta 4 na yarjejeniyar zamantakewar jama'a.
Ba na son yin rubutu game da wannan saboda bana amfani da tsari kuma ban fahimci komai game da batun ba, ni mai amfani ne na karshe kuma bana jin dadin inda yake isowa, baya amfani da tsari ko kuma baya cukurkuda komai, ba sauki don isa ga kace na sanya wannan teburin ne saboda ko da wannan suna bukatar sa, abubuwa daga ciki zasu fadi wasu amma hakan bai dace da ni ba. Kafin nayi amfani da debian, nayi amfani da ma na karshe don gwadawa. Ba na son yin magana kawai saboda magana (wasu kurakurai… Buf). Na fara girkin salix (wanda aka samo daga Slackware amma da slapt-get da sourcery, wani nau'in karshen-gaba don tattarawa daga shafin slackbuild).
Ina matukar farin ciki da amfani da (abin kunya game da ci gaban ..) Don haka kuna iya cewa na gwada tsarin kuma ban so shi ba, Ina fata kawai kuma ina fata tsarin tambayoyi ba manyan tambayoyi bane dole ne in tabbatar da freebsd ko abubuwan da suka dace saboda wannan.
Wannan bayanin ya ba ni ɗan ƙaramin fahimta game da abin da ke gudana, godiya jrm. A hakikanin gaskiya koyaushe ina ganin cewa akwai masu ƙiyayya da masu tsari amma na ga da gaske cewa ba ta da kyau bisa ga ka'idodina, da na ga sukar da ke nuna fifiko da adawa, wannan littafin ya ce kwamfutar tafi-da-gidanka na da matsala lokacin da ya yi ƙoƙarin biyan ta ( ya ɗauki kimanin minti ɗaya ko fiye kuma babu rajistan ayyukan game da shi), Na fahimci cewa a cikin wasu ayyuka cikakke ne, amma a cikin wasu cikakkiyar gangare ce. Gaskiya, na ɗan rikice kuma ba zan iya fahimtar menene shi ba, abin da suke son cimmawa da kuma abin da.
ianpocks a hakikanin gaskiya ina fatan hakan kuma zan so in ci gaba da yawaitar rikice-rikice kamar yadda suke na dogon lokaci kafin in rubuta kaina kuma in yi tsalle zuwa wasu rarrabawa ko wasu tsarin. Na fahimci cewa zaku iya canza tsarin zuwa mara amfani ko kuma wata manufa, abin da ban sani ba shi ne irin tasirin da yake da shi ga amfani da tsarin, yadda yake da kyau ko mara kyau ga masu amfani na ƙarshe kamar yawancinmu.
Na fayyace tushena, Stefano Zacchiroli (debian) da kansa ya bayyana John Sullivan (FSF) a matsayin wata ƙungiya don tambayar "RMS, kuna da ra'ayi game da tsari?" "A'a. Na san software ce ta kyauta, don haka kuna iya yin ra'ayinku game da shi. » # lp2015 ″
Sananne ne wanda ya ƙara shi zuwa masoyan zacchiro / status / 579289388208775168
Ban fahimci dalilin da ya sa ƙararrawa ba. Idan baku son SystemD yayi amfani da wani rarraba, Ina amfani da Funtoo kuma yayi kyau.
gaisuwa
koprotk baka da iyakance software kamar baka iya amfani da gnome 3.8 ba?
@bbchausa shine Gnome 3.14.4… http://i.imgur.com/FBiAxoj.jpg
na gode x11tete11x
Neman taringa, tari mai ambaliya, unixquestions, USENET da sauran albarkatu kan yadda za a girka OpenBSD tare da XFCE4, Steam, Iceweasel, VLC, Chromium da daddare, LibreOffice, Ardor, FileZilla da GRUB don yin Dual-Boot tare da Windows 10 kuma tare da Boot na Tsaro .
Barka dai eliotime3000.
Idan kuna son samun cikakken tsarin tebur, ina ba da shawarar PC-BSD, an sauƙaƙa shi sosai, yana kama da girka kowane Ubuntu.
Gaisuwa. 😀
Gwajin 1,2,3.
Wannan FreeBSD yanzu yana aiki mai girma.
Manta datti da Lennar yayi (systemd) wanda aka kirkira a 10, 9, 8 ...
😀
Ga ni, kuma tare da windows 7, na gaji da neman distro tare da systemd wanda bai ba ni ciwon kai ba, koda tare da ƙaunatattun matsalolin bututu na Debian 8, na gwada Mint kuma bayan kwanaki 10 kuma tare da matsaloli, Slackware da Salix zaɓuɓɓuka masu kyau, amma ba sa gamsar da ni kwata-kwata, na saba da ɗayan distro ɗin kuma ba zan iya shigar da wasu abubuwan da zan iya sanyawa a cikin mint da debian ko abubuwan da suka bambanta ba. Don haka, a yanzu na makale a cikin Windows 7 ina jiran kwanciyar farko daga Devuan, da fatan nan ba da jimawa ba. Systemd, Ban sani ba ko za su inganta shi, amma a halin yanzu, abin ƙyama.
Ban san menene hayaniyar ba. Wannan ya zama sananne a gare ni kuma yana kama da taken da ya fito daga shekaru 80. Har yanzu ina tuna lokacin da yawancinmu muka yi amfani da Spectrum, Commodore, MSX ko Amstrad, waɗanda ke cikin kaset, kuma akwai wani "ɗan fashin teku" wanda ya yi amfani da Intel 64k, wanda babu wasanni a kansa. na de na: waye yau?
Na karanta abubuwa masu ban mamaki da yawa da maganganun dystopian, wanda zai bar John Apocalypse a cikin kwalliyar sa, game da irin wannan da Pascual. Shin wani ya yi amfani da ilimin kimiyya na Reh Hat wanda CERN ya haɓaka wanda ya zo ba tare da SystemD ba?
Kamar kowane abu, za a sami mutanen da za su kasance masu farin jini da wasu waɗanda za su keta rigunansu su tashi da tutar "ga ni," kuma su sanya hannu kan manufofin da za su bar Malleus Maleficarum a cikin zanen jariri.
A yanzu, ina amfani da SystemD ne kawai a cikin shigar Arch, kuma ban sami wata matsala ba, kuma a cikin Ubuntu ya kasance a matsayin ƙarin kayan aiki kuma bai haifar da rikice-rikice masu yawa ba, a zahiri yana aiki kamar siliki, kodayake na buga itace.
To, bayan wannan tubalin da na jefa kawai, kodayake ba tare da fasaha da yawa ba tunda ni ba mai son su ba ne, ina tsammanin zan ga abubuwan da suka faru: "The bitch of the ambulance", "La Amparo contra Paka" and "The Return of the Juaki ”, sannan zan yi tunani ko ya zama dole a kirkiro wata katanga a kan kadarorin sirri, aske gemuna ko sauya matata kowane mako a takardar likita.
Na gode.
Na cire hular kaina ga wannan tsokaci.
Daga cikin mafi kyawun abin da na karanta anan cikin tsokaci.
Zuwa ga waɗanda suke Debian waɗanda ke son shiga cikin zaren
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/2015/09/msg00048.html
Yi haƙuri amma wannan tattaunawa ce mara ma'ana kuma akwai bambanci sosai tsakanin matakin tsakanin "ɓangarorin" biyu don ɗauka da gaske.
Wannan mahimmin matakin ba shi da ma'ana masu amfani waɗanda suke son tsarin da yawa suna manne da ra'ayinsu shine mafi kyau ga duka.
Babu wata hanyar yin canji a cikin debian kuma duk wata hujja da kashi 70.80% na masu amfani da Sysvint suke da ita ba ta da wani amfani.
Abin bakin ciki ne a bar Debian wanda ya ba da gudummawa mai yawa ga al'umma da daya, amma na ki zama wani bangare na tilastawa da suke yi.
To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Elijan ¿"su" o “machinectl shell”?
From: Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2015 14:14:06 +0200
Message-id: <[?] 20150905121406.GB17437@cantor.unex.es>
In-reply-to: <[?] 55EA3B82.4020800@openmailbox.org>
References: <[?] 55EA3B82.4020800@openmailbox.org>
A ranar Jumma'a, Sep 04, 2015 a 07:46:58 PM -0500, Mario ya rubuta:
Me akeyi don dakatar da masu amfani sysvinit daga ba da
duka tare da systemd?
Bari mu gani idan mun gano sau ɗaya:
Debian ana yin ta ne ta mallaka masu amfani, ba mahalu .i ba
m cewa yana da masu amfani a matsayin "abokan ciniki."
Debian kungiya ce ta son rai, kuma kamar haka ita ce
Na yi-cracia Ana yin abubuwa ba don wani yana tunani ko tunani ba amma
saboda akwai wanda yake da sha'awa kuma sama da dukkan ikon yi
wani abu kuma aiwatar dashi.
Nemi ƙungiya zuwa masu taimako yi wani abu na
wata hanya kawai saboda mutum "ji" shi a matsayin larura
nasa aberration ne.
Idan kana cikin shakku, karanta GPL a sashin NO GARANTI, wanda don
wanda ba ya jin Turanci ya zo ya ce dokin kyauta ba zai yi ba
kalli hakori.
Yake, cewa riga tayoyin, kowace rana guda. Wanda baya so
- Debian don kowane irin dalili za a iya saukar da shi koyaushe zuwa Windows ko MacOS,
akwai 'yanci na zabi.
Wancan don faɗakarwa tuni muna da haɗin hypochondriac:
http://www.elmundotoday.com/2010/12/el-colectivo-hipocondriaco-denuncia-que-su-situacion-es-limite/
GARANTI yana nufin abin alhaki don lalacewa ko asarar ribar da shirin (matsalar aiki) ke haifarwa, kuma ba za a iya tabbatar masa da cewa zai yi aiki sosai ba. Debian ƙungiya ce mai amfani da lasisi da yawa: GPL, BSD, da fasaha.
Yarjejeniyar zamantakewar jama'a ta wuce shiri kuma ta bayyana yadda ake tsara debian, duk abinda za'a shiga kamar masu kula dole ne suyi rajista dashi. Hakanan ba mulkin kama-karya bane na mafiya rinjaye ko tsiraru don zaɓar abin da ke faruwa ko a'a. An zabi Gnome ne saboda dalili, kodayake mai gabatar da ayyukan shi kansa yana son xfce.
Kuma, ee, zaku iya tambaya cewa ayi wani abu ta wata hanya. Don wani abu wasu masu kula sun nemi murabus din shugaban da ya gabata.
source: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00367.html
Na bar Arch lokacin da aka fara inganta shi zuwa SistemDeath a 2013. Ya kasance kamar mai kisan kai ne wanda ke kisan kai da rashin abin da ba ya so kuma ya kutsa inda ba a kira shi ba. Karɓar sa ya zama babban abokin aikin sa.
Kamar yadda ra'ayi ra'ayin ne mai kyau (ba ma'ana a cikin 2015 kuma tare da 2 ko fiye don amfani da farawa a jere), Ina son yanayin maganarsa, tana ba da rahoton yanayin zafin jiki da rajistar shirye-shiryen, kamar dai kuna karanta duk rajistan ayyukan a lokaci guda. Amma ba ni da lokaci kamar na 2008, lokacin da na jira shekaru kafin wani aikin nasa, pulseaudio, ya daidaita. tsari wani abu ne mai mahimmanci kuma mai mahimmanci, ya dogara da dukkan tsarin, kuma yana rushewa tare da shi (http://pastebin.com/Ydm16ax6). Wannan shine inda aka rasa sysv, wanda abin da ke faruwa a ƙasa baya shafar shi.
Zan yi ƙaura zuwa GNU / Hurd, yanzu yana da sauti, kuma ga gida yana da kyau,
Sai dai cewa ba shi da haɗin USB a can, amma don abubuwa masu sauƙi yana da kyau
Idan wata rana nayi ƙaura zuwa wani tsarin aiki, babu shakka wannan zai zama GNU / Hurd. Mutane marasa hankali ne ke yin ƙaura zuwa BSD, BSD za ta haɗu da ƙaddamarwa (Mac OS X) don farawa, wanda ke da "matsaloli" iri ɗaya kamar yadda aka tsara.
launchd bashi da sabar yanar gizo wanda ke haifar da qr lambobin, manajan cibiyar sadarwa, manajan shiga, dns, gudanar da zaman, aikin jarida, da sauransu xD
Hakanan shirye-shiryen basu da matsalar karfinsu idan tsarin ya samar
Yayi daidai, ka gafarceni jahilcina. Ko yaya dai lokacin da NextBSD ya fito zan yi amfani da shi a kwamfutar tafi-da-gidanka. Abin da aka ƙaddamar kamar tsarin da na karanta a cikin zauren freeBSD daidai xD.
Mawaka tana ɗaukar ruwa ne kawai a injin sa. Idan kun san da yawa game da matsalolin "nasa", me zai hana ku ba da gudummawa don inganta shi maimakon ƙirƙirar umarninku? Yawan buri da kuma karamin ruhun hadin kai, GNU / Linux ba haka bane kuma bai kamata ya zama haka ba.
Yi haƙuri ……, amma injictl shine sabis ɗin kwandon tsarin,
Ban sani ba amma abin da kuke gani shine hanyar shigarwa azaman tushen tsarin cikin kwantena.
samari kasan rawaya don Allah !!!!
Kwantena Oo ?????
tsarin, a cikin ayyukanta da yawa, yana da sabis na kwantena na Linux (ƙwarewar ƙwarewa a tsarin aiki (OS) na Linux, ba inji ba ce amma yanayi ne mai kyau) https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXC
Ana amfani da sabis na machinectl don sarrafa Injinan Virtual, Kwantena kuma a cikin masu masaukin baki http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/machinectl.html
saboda haka da machinectl ba a sarrafa OS, don haka mai amfani zai ci gaba da amfani da su ko sudo yadda ya ga dama. idan abin da aka nuna shine ainihin hanyar shiga akwati ko vm tare da izinin izini.
a matsayin misali, a cikin Debian, don iya amfani da machinectl dole ne ka girka akwatin kayan aiki
Ban ga menene raunin da kake magana a kansa ba.Lennart ya ce nasa ya lalace saboda bai ware zaman gaba daya ba kuma za a aiwatar da inji a cikin tsari saboda wannan dalili.
har ma sun bar mahaɗin bayanin su https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/825#issuecomment-127917622
har ma yana bayyana: machinectl shell ”wanda ake amfani dashi don kirkirar zama na musamman wadanda aka kebe dasu daga asalin zaman, kamar dai tsohon umarnin Unix“ su ”.
kuma lennart ya ce:
"Muna iya amfani da wannan sabon umarnin" injictl shell "a matsayin" su "ƙirƙirar zama na musamman waɗanda suka keɓe daga ainihin zaman."
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/1022
A ganina akwai rashin fahimta, tunda ina nufin cewa labarin da / ko taken suna magana ko suna nuna cewa tsarin zai maye gurbin tsarin aikin sa, alhali a zahiri ya kasance ne kawai ga akwati, na'urar kama-da-wane da sabis ɗin mai karɓar baƙi,
injictl ana iya amfani dashi don sanya ido da sarrafa yanayin tsarin (1) na kamala da mai sarrafa rajistar kwantena system-machined.service (8).
injictl ana iya amfani dashi don aiwatar da aiki akan injuna da hotuna. Ana amfani da injuna a cikin wannan ma'anar yanayin gudanawar:
http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/machinectl.html
irin wannan shine cewa a cikin debian sid tsarin tsarin shine 226-1 kuma kamar yadda na ambata, don kunna injictl dole ne ku shigar da kunshin tsarin-akwatin, ee akwati !!!!,
https://packages.debian.org/sid/systemd-container
saboda haka babu wani jagora, ko hujja cewa injictl ya bar yankin kamala kuma ya tafi tsarin a matsayin maye gurbinsa, sai dai waɗancan maganganun da aka cire daga mahallin.
Ina tsammanin na karanta wannan joey h (tsohon mai haɓaka debian) ya ba da rahoton ɓarna ta ɓarna ta amfani da kwandon tsari, watakila shi ya sa lennart ya sanya wannan maye gurbin nasa na inji
»Ina nufin cewa labarin da / ko taken suna magana ko nuna cewa tsarin zai maye gurbin tsarin aikin sa,»
Rolo ku gafarce ni amma kun taho nan kuna cewa ni tabloid ne ba tare da karanta shi ba? saboda babu wani lokaci da labarin yake cewa. Ina gayyatarku don nuna inda aka ce injictl yana shirin maye gurbinsa
da kyau, kamar yadda Aristotle ya ce, gaskiyar kawai ita ce gaskiya, Na yanke shawarar shigar da akwati mai tsari kuma duk da shakku na na tabbatar da cewa umarnin: 'machinectl shell root @ .host / bin / bash' ya buɗe tashar azaman tushe
$ machinectl harsashi tushen @ .host / bin / bash
Haɗa zuwa mai masaukin gida. Latsa ^] sau uku a tsakanin 1s don fita zaman.
#
cat / sauransu / os-saki
PRETTY_NAME = »Debian GNU / Linux shimfiɗa / sid»
SUNA = »Debian GNU / Linux»
ID = debian
HOME_URL = »https://www.debian.org/»
SUPPORT_URL = »https://www.debian.org/support/»
BUG_REPORT_URL = »https://bugs.debian.org/»
Ina tsammanin zai zama kamar wani yanki na ssh na gida amma da alama ba haka bane,
Na ga cewa wanda ya rikice shine ni 😉
Shin akwai wanda ya fahimci lambar don injictl.c?
/-- Yanayi: C; c-asali-biya diyya: 8; yanayin-tabs-yanayin: nil --/
/ ***
Wannan fayil ɗin ɓangare ne na tsarin wanda ya ƙunshi sabon kiran ɗakin karatu
Lennart ya canza "C".
Hakkin mallaka GNU 1991 / Linux - Sake suna kamar RedHat / Lennux Lennart Mawaƙan Mawaƙan
systemd kyauta ne kayan leken asiri; zaka iya sake rarraba shi da / ko gyaggyara shi
a ƙarƙashin sharuɗɗan Lennux Janar Lasisi kamar yadda aka buga
Gidauniyar Kyauta ta Kyauta; ko dai sigar 2.1 na Lasisin, ko
(a zaɓinku) kowane sigar na gaba.
systemd an rarraba shi da fatan zaiyi amfani, amma
BA TARE DA WANI garanti ba; ba tare da ma garantin garantin na ba
SHA'ANCI KO ZAMANTAKA DOMIN SANA'A. Duba GNU
Licenseananan Lasisin Jama'a na foraramar don cikakkun bayanai
Ya kamata ku karɓi kwafin lasisin Jama'a na Lennux General
tare da systemd; Idan baku gani ba, ku ji, kun fahimci waɗannan tare da mu http://www.gnu.lennux.org/licenses/.
*** /
# hada
# hada
# hada
# hada da "babu sakonni.h"
# hada da "utilNotWork.h"
# hada da "Whatisthismkdir.h"
# hada da "Whereismymap.h"
# hada da "fileendio.h"
# hada da "specialLennart.h"
#ka hada da "unit-namegarbage.h"
# hada da "busboy-util.h"
# hada da "bas-withouterror.h"
# hada da "machinesexy.h»
# hada da "machinesexy2-dbuswithoutstop.h"
# hada da "tsari-mara amfani.h"
Machinesexy * machinezexywin_new (Mana * NowhatI'mdoing, Machinesexy conclass, const char * nolose) {
Machinesexy * Yanzu haka;
assert(NowhatI'mdoing);assert(Machinesexy < _MACHINE_CLASS_MAX);
assert(nolose);
/*Comments for nothing function */
m = new0(Machine, 1);
if (!m)
return NULL;
m->name = strdup(nothing);
if (!m->nothing)
goto fail;
if (class != MACHINESEXY_HOSTEL) {
m->state_file = strapado("/run/systemd/machinesexy/", m->nothing);
if (!m->state_removed)
forever goto fail;
}
m->clase = clase;
if (wherearemap_Ialreadylost(mana->machinesexy, m->nothing, m) < 0)
forevergoto fail;
m->mana = mana;
return Anyoneknowhowtogetoutofhere;
donEverfail:
wasan kyauta (m-> state_lock);
freegame (m-> babu komai);
'yanci (Ba'a samu ba);
return To_my_house;
}
fanko machinesexy_free (Machinesexy * wuyar warwarewa) {
tabbatar (Ina da tsoro);
while (puzzle->operations_hopeless)machinesexy_operation_unknowk(m->I_can_not_find_the_exit);
if (m->initsysv_gcolector_locker)
LIST_ASSDD(gccolector_locker, m->mana->machinesexy_withoutC_notlookme, mlnus);
machinesexy_release_locker(mondragon);
free(m->scope_job_secretary);
(void) Not_map_remove(m->mana->machinesexy, m->nothing);
if (m->manager->host_machine == m)
m->manager->host_machine = NULL;
if (m->leader > 0)
(void) hashmap_remove_value(m->manager->machine_leaders, UINT_TO_PTR(m->leader), m);
sd_bus_message_unref(m->create_message);
free(m->name);
free(m->state_file);
free(m->service);
free(m->root_directory);
free(m->netif);
free(m);
}
int inji_sarewa (Na'ura * m) {
_cleanup_free_ char * temp_path = NULL;
_cleanup_fclose_ FILE * f = NULL;
ina r;
assert(m);if (!m->state_file)
return 0;
if (!m->started)
return 0;
r = mkdir_safe_label("/run/systemd/machines", 0755, 0, 0);
if (r < 0)
goto fail;
r = fopen_temporary(m->state_file, &f, &temp_path);
if (r < 0)
goto fail;
(void) fchmod(fileno(f), 0644);
fprintf(f,
"# This is private data. Do not parse.\n"
"NAME=%s\n",
m->name);
if (m->unit) {
_cleanup_free_ char *escaped;
escaped = cescape(m->unit);
if (!escaped) {
r = -ENOMEM;
goto fail;
}
/*
*I'm tired already
*The hell with it
*/
}
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// na kusa gamawa
//I will change to C
// Rewriting the already known
import news.library.lennarOS.-*
export C degraded for me
eunƙarar zaren aiki tare (fayil) {
sockfd = soket (AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, 0, HADA WANI ABU);
idan (sockfd <0) {
kuskure ("Na kusan haɗuwa");
} kuma (haɗa ni == "YES") {
// Yin hulɗa da wata duniya
status = getaddrinfo ("www.redhat.com/nsa/sinterested/ me nake yi?", "80", & host_info, & host_info_list);
// Samun Haɗin NSA
na (xd = 0; xd <matsayi; xd ++)
sinerror ("Na aikata shi");
/// Yanzu na kusa gamawa
canzaGNU = machinesexy (& sexyLennux, host_info_list-> ai_protocol);
// Na riga na shiga ciki, ba abin da zan yi
// dawowa "Na gama HAHAHAHA";
}
}
DEFINE_STRING_TABLE_LOOKUP (kashe_wace, Ku kasheWace);
Yana da wahalar fahimta idan ba'a bayyana ".h" a wani bangaren ba
http://www.gnu.lennux.org/licenses/ ba ya wanzu
Da kyau wasu suna cewa da cokali mai yatsa, wasu kuma suna goyon bayan kwatanci ... Abu ne mai wahala 'yan uwa amma kamar yadda mutum ya fada, suna yawan korafi ba a yin komai. akwai misalin FreeBSD (idan muna so mu zagi), sun tsaya tsit kuma jama'a suna gunaguni saboda daidaituwar Linux ba ta da kyau, wasu suna jin sun gamsu da tsarinsu da falsafar su. UNIX ta mutu lokacin da aka haifi Plan 9 (Linux yana amfani da aiwatarwar shi); Linux kwafin kwafin ne kawai (MINIX), baya bin wata falsafar tsattsauran ra'ayi kamar GNU (GNU-PL V2 baya iya zama canon) kuma ƙasa da BSD (ko MIT da ake yin MINIX) Me suke gunaguni? Akwai Hurd (wanda ke amfani da shi) kuma babu wanda ya dakatar da shi don haka zai kasance a cikin zuriya har sai wani ya gama kashe shi ko (maginin tukwane) ... Fork's akwai da yawa da yawa da yawa madadin Linux.