The news has spread like dust in the wind after The Replicator (aka Tannhausser) publish an article where he refers to an "unfortunate" comment on the ElementaryOS blog, where they call those users who do not pay to download the latest beta available cheats (or stingy in this case).
The comment in question was this:
Why do we type in $ 0?
We want users to understand that they are more or less cheating the system when they decide not to pay for the software. We do not exclude a $ 0 button to mislead you, we think our software is really worth something. And it's not that we are making money to buy yachts; Currently the only people who have received money for working at elementaryOS have been members of the community, through our rewards program.
It's about asking for a fair price to offset development costs. It's about securing the future of the elementary operating system to ensure that we can continue to make software that millions of people love and use every day.
This is because they have changed the way the elementaryOS site is downloaded. Currently it is like this:
Where by default a maximum of $ 10 dollars per download is established, but just below the button is the option to download the . Iso without paying. However, in the new site that will come out together with ElementaryOS Freya is a bit different:
Now we have to write a zero where it says Custom to be able to download the iso for free.
My opinion
Although I understand what the point of the ElementaryOS guys is, the reality is that they did not express it in the best way. But this does not take us by surprise, remember that a little over a year ago I wrote an article entitled Would you pay for ElementaryOS? where he touched on the issue of whether or not to pay for this distribution.
As I said in my article on that occasion, I would pay for the project and its active development to be maintained if I could, and of course, if I were a user of this distribution, since the initial idea and the result have proven to be feasible. However, one thing is that I decide or not to pay to use ElementaryOS and that in case I don't, I become a user who cheats the system.
It is true that the work of the developers of many projects OpenSource It should be paid, as they deserve it for spending their time offering it to others, but there are two types of users who never pay to use that Software: Those who can't and those who don't want.
It is also true that many users have adapted to receive free support, help, updates and applications and feel that they should not pay anything (they enter the group of those who do not want to), but that's no reason to generalize and call everyone who downloads their distro a cheat by typing $ 0.
If I were Daniel Foré (ElementaryOS project leader), I immediately remove the article from the blog, I apologize and start a campaign of Crowdfunding for those who can and want to pay, do so. And if you think about it, what does ElementaryOS offer us apart from a handful of unstable applications and a look and feel similar to OS X?
Be careful, I am not criticizing this distribution by any means, I think it is excellent and offers us "something different" in some things, although since we are here, it would be good (and recommended) if they raised enough money for their work, at least one part will be donated to Debian / Ubuntu. What do you think?
I was among those who do not want, if I can get it for free, why pay for it?
Yes, I know high hdp I am.
I wrote on the blog before they blocked comments, I wrote to them "and you may ask if they do anything for Debian or Ubuntu, since we are talking hard work?" and my comment was deleted at the speed of light, however before me there was a very very good comment from a user and you can see that they did not like me at all and then people from 4chan came to troll ...
From 4Chan to trolling? … How weird… users there never do that… LOL !!! if we all behave as well ... LOL!
I agree in everything with the author, I hope it is not the tone from now on, but it is an alert. There is no problem with them requesting collaboration, whatever. But this way of doing it and communicating it is not the most appropriate.
Hopefully they are not handled like Gnome did… they already paid a high cost for it.
"Don't be the tone from now on" ... then you don't know elementary, they always respond and speak that way.
Well, I think I'm one of those who can't, I don't have a credit card or paypal account, or extra money (although the latter is extra)
I'm gathering to buy a lap and install a distro
gnu / linux or something like that. but I have been with you, delete the comment and apologize.
I personally think Elementary OS is a great distro. And I don't think it's wrong for the boys to ask for financial support for the hard work they're doing, so that the project continues from strength to strength.
Perhaps what has failed them is their strategy to ask for financial support. Well, although Elementary OS has a fairly large community that could support it. I think that placing a payment button when downloading the distro is not one of the best ideas.
I think they should rethink their strategy. And opt for a "donate" option instead of "pay." Well, if you see Linux Mint, it has not done badly with the donate button.
Another idea that I think would be good for them to implement with the option to donate. It is not put an amount. Well, at the end of the day, each person will give according to their financial possibilities.
There are many ways, another is to ask for the email to be able to download and after 1 week of downloading the distro you invite him to donate the money he can if he liked it ...
Hmm, I don't see a good future for Elementary OS, one of these days they stopped development.
True, they may stop releasing new versions for a while. I have seen several projects disappear even though they took years (ututo for example). I certainly do not trust a distro that just came out a year ago because the next it disappears and then I am left in the air if I have such a system installed on the pc. Supporting is fine if it means long-term support.
they warn, they stopped.
Pfff, I have tried Elementary OS and I find that system so boring that it does not last a minute using it, I also see it so closed (Like Windows) that it causes sleep, indeed, if I use Linux Mint Cinnamon and with some adjustments I achieve the same efficiency and Elementary interface.
I agree with you Elav
The problem within free software is that people do not want free software, they want free software, there are few of us who ever really see the code or try to contribute to a project and I am not just talking about economics since you can also help the community fixing bugs, translating etc ...
In my humble opinion, there is no one who cannot pay 10 dollars or 100 pesos mxn, but as most do not know how difficult it is and the time it takes, it does not matter to him, but that if when there is a failure or error other than not They bring insults left and right is sad and I'm not just saying it for elementary Os.
Yes friend, yes there are. There are people who $ 10 represents 40% or 50% of their monthly salary.
Well, how sad !!!
Let Linus not find out that they force the user to pay for a distro because high quilombo is going to arm them ^^
LOL!! likewise HAHAHAHA
Yes indeed my friend. I live in Venezuela, since I have been using Linux Mint, I have wanted to make a donation to the project, because I consider that they do a spectacular job. Unfortunately, it is possible that I am one of those people of whom 20 USD represents 40% of my salary. My only way to contribute to such a magnificent project is to share with my friends, acquaintances and clients (I am a computer assembly and maintenance technician) the linux fever and show the benefits of going "to the dark side of the force", that they know " life beyond Winbug »
PS: I am writing from my laptop with Win7, if it is due to my work. XD
There are many who do not have a card, or do not have PayPal, or that money is a lot of money for their economy.
Not all people receive a salary or have a way to pay online.
It is also a matter of priorities. I have only donated to Elive (which, by the way, I don't use), but I am an active member of Doctors Without Borders and Intermón Oxfam.
I understand that the work of a developer / maintainer costs effort, that it is worth time and money, but I have chosen to contribute to other initiatives that also seem necessary to me. So am I a "cheater", a "profiteer"?
You are helping to break the natural balance so that there will be millions of hungry people in the future (6 children per couple). You should only contribute to organizations that first give a total education to the entire population (men and especially women) so that they can earn a living and not have more than two children per couple.
The number of people who eat every day in poor countries is much higher than it was 50 years ago, the problem is that instead of being 15 million in a given territory, their population has multiplied by 4 or 5.
Pharmacists delighted in selling vaccines and doing business to sell even more in the future.
Currently 10 USD is around 140 MXN, and I know from my own experience that for a middle class student (who surely make up a high percentage of eOS users) that is a very considerable amount; not to mention that to donate it is necessary to have a card and that it is accepted for payments over the Internet, which is not common either.
Still, any smaller amount could be donated and it is not done simply because there is no culture of giving. I have no doubt that many of the eOS users who have never donated to the project later spend well over $ 10 on games for their cell phone.
Hello, greetings community, GNU / LINUX users, I am one who uses this Elementary OS operating system and the truth is that it seems to me a very nice system, since I am one of the few people who download the iso to test their desktops how it behaves with the machine, but since I don't have money or an account to donate I can't help, but if I had, I would donate to any elementary distribution, ubuntu, debian, fedora, etc.
Do not misinterpret everything in this life! Nobody called them cheats it's just a donation! What motivates developers !! Keep developing! If a product is good, why not support it financially? It is convenient to help financially otherwise there will not be even FREYA! : /
so don't do it, make a theme and that's it
If they only do it to receive something in return they create a company and that's it.
If they put software pre-installed and get paid for it! they would get a little more money
For example put Chrome instead of midori! Would Google be willing to pay for that? : /
Man, if you tell me that by putting a $ 0 I'm making fun of the System, what do you call that?
They will refer to those who can and do not donate! For example in the USA or in Europe! I believe that people should be more economically positioned! could you donate a little! Although it is true, that this way of asking bothered more than one!
Ernesto I think the same as you in many / almost all aspects ...
That they ask for money or put up a large poster begging for donations I do not see it bad, and it would be good if they did it on the new website.
What is wrong is the way of saying cheats to those who put $ 0 ...
On Android, for example, many apps have the free version and the pro / paid version. Many times I pay for the pro versions, but yes, before I try the pro without paying and if I like it there if I pay it without problems.
In r / linux also the fat was armed for this same. http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2vi6qo/you_are_a_cheater_if_you_download_elementryos_for/
Elementary O $, Elemonetary OS
xDD
They have done it fatal. You can't do things this way because people will turn their backs on you in the end. I agree with the author that there are people who cannot and others who do not want to. Mostly they are from the second, really.
To do things well you need to be kind and try to make people understand that things take work and effort. That is, we all know that behind a program itself, there are one or more people behind it who have dedicated part of their time to do it. The question is, will you know how to earn the "respect" of the people you offer the program or distribution to so that they give you some kind of donation. It is also as has been commented on requesting financial aid through crowdfunding. Which I think would have been the best option. Another way you have to make people aware is by explaining what it costs, or would cost, what is being done. I know of an email service where when you ask for financial aid, you detail what each item costs. It is one more way for people to reconsider and think about it. Even sending emails like Firefox does, asking for your help.
I personally have not liked how they have done it. In addition, it is well known that all this free software works like that and they knew where they were getting. So they shouldn't come with these shapes. In the end it gives the feeling that they do not do that because they want to and can, but to earn a salary. Things are not like that either. Even as has also been said, it would not hurt to remind them that their work is based on that of others and that, perhaps, the people who donate think of those who are "above" so that precisely they can later do their work. What you cannot do is expect people to donate for every project and program that is done. That's impossible.
I would like, sincerely, to be able to donate to many, many distributions, but I cannot, it is not viable. I mean, donate, to Wikipedia, Firefox, Debian, Mint, other types of services, etc ... but there comes a time when you can't take it anymore. If I were to win some kind of lottery, I would spend thousands and thousands of euros in financing all kinds of things, but until then I cannot. With the attitude that they have taken, the only thing they are going to achieve is that potential donors, in the end, can feel pissed off with that attitude and completely resign.
They should apologize and say they have made a mistake in the ways.
I agree with your comment, I think that these gentlemen must first build a reputation and then "charge" for their .iso.
On the Debian site the donate option is not the first thing you see.
In short, the skill of the programmer is not always married to the lip / persuasion of the good salesperson.
I still think that many of us here would be willing to donate for a project, a cause, an ideal, that does move me, but if they charge me to the letter, even if I don't want to. Cheers
Well, I think that these themes are put together for a simple reason since they can put the only means of payment to obtain the ISO, what if it happened is that very probably few would use it and its development would not be very there if it is not done by very few.
Since that I also created a distro that is not a zero distro was always based on Ubuntu, and when they asked me how to help I always said the same thing because it helps by helping that is, instead of donating the money to the project they could donate it to a social action entity, animal etc, or translate things, or help disseminate FSF y SL etc.
The thing is about how the projects are, simply that they would give me money to put a linux would do it but if it were like a job I do not see it as a way to earn extra money or that it is very plausible that there are so many distros and so much need for Offer free things at cost or just like life is in certain countries.
Beyond that I do not see the harm in developers asking or suggesting paid downloads, surely that helps them pay for the hosting, and the hours (are many) that must be put to offer something fairly done and in your case very different. So I do not see much controversy on the subject, although asking for money for an ISO download is usually a bit problematic since with so many free of charge offers it is difficult to maintain users.
And why do you want these types of distros that almost demand money in return? there are other much better ones such as Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Linux Mint, Manjaro ... etc, which do not put a donation button, and it is not even original, it is a viral copy of Ubuntu, for me if it ceases to exist as some people say in I don't need this forum better and with that kind of people less.
Well, I'm not a fan of ElementaryOS by any means, I don't really use it but… from there to say it's a vile copy of Ubuntu, mmm I don't think so.
Although in the backend yes, it is Ubuntu, the GUI is super worked by them. They have written applications for music, file browser, configuration panel, they have done a great job on aesthetics and I repeat, programming many applications to be exactly how they wanted.
How many distro do you need?
I can donate to mine and understand the need. Mine is LMDE.
Better yet, it is nothing more than a desktop environment (extremely capable). Do they donate anything to Debian or Ubuntu? Go ahead and put your distro where it fits, and go and insult your f ... mother.
Well, I honestly think that they were quite upset by that, and the truth is that it hurts that although they know that the risk of working in free or open source software is that they do not recognize anything and less economically it is the idea of doing it many times for taste and volunteerism that characterizes GNU / Linux users all over the world, also if they fight so much for what they do in my opinion, and I clarify that I say with all due respect, the truth is that the only thing I see are designers and engineers working here to assemble molds of a nice and pleasant desktop, but in itself, I should rather pay the Debian community, which is where it starts, ubuntu and then if elementary os, it bothers me so much when this type of people try to profit and pride themselves even more that not even debian people do that kind of thing, if I gave a bug to any community, it would be debian and slackware. thanks.
I do not agree with what the article says or with the elementary form ... I would sell this distro at a reasonable price. I think it would be the right thing to do (to my humble understanding). I have been a Luna user since it left, and I am happy with my system. Free software does not have to be free, in fact, you open the Ubuntu software center and on the cover you see "bastion role playing - $ 18,99". I think a modest sum would contribute a lot to a project that is always criticized for "being late." In distrowatch there is a list of 300 distros (the main ones) that can be downloaded for zero pesos / dollars. How many excellent projects are born and die without a dollar? Come on ... charge a small sum for an excellent distribution (premium in my opinion), so that it can survive, it is NOT a monopolistic attitude ... Don't you think?
«Elementary is under no obligation to release our compiled operating system for free download. We've invested money into its development, hosting our website, and supporting users. However, we understand the culture that currently surrounds open source: users tend to feel entitled to the full, compiled releases of software at zero cost. While we could rightfully disallow free downloads, someone else could take our open source code, compile it, and give it away for free. So there's no point in completely disallowing it.
But we should discourage it. »
I am missing this small part in the post. The elementary team hates not being able to shut down the elementary os and pantheon os code to force people to pay for it. They also have a fear of forks, they attack and closely monitor whoever does it. Fortunately Gnome, Debian, Linux, Ubuntu and thousands of programs without the elementary would not be anything are Free Software:
Freedom 3: The freedom to improve the program and make those improvements public to others, so that the entire community benefits.
Freedoms 1 and 3 require access to source code because studying and modifying software without its source code is highly impractical.
The mentality of the elementary team is an old mentality, from the 90s, microsoft and serials, although it is still valid it is not what is promoted in Gnu / Linux nor what we are looking for. In good time for showing the lint.
I don't know anyone in the real world who works for free to benefit society ... Nobody! Is it wrong to want to support a project? (We are not talking about that they are wanting to become Microsoft, we are talking about SUPPORT) So, so bad do you see it?
Remember that when you buy a bread, in addition to paying taxes to the government (in Uruguay the VAT is 22%), you are paying the work of a lot of companies-people who come back: you pay the manufacturing, those who make the bread must pay for electricity and water (at least), and employees, in turn they must buy the flour and yeast, so at least 2 more companies are being paid / hired (in addition to electricity and water) , which of course for these to exist they need to sell their product ... Ok, when we don't criticize them because they want sustenance, we criticize them because they delay ... I repeat, the best thing is that you choose one of the 300 popular distros that are published in Distrowatch and something else ... If I would pay for elementary, don't be offended, the idea is not to generate "online fights", but to exchange opinions. You have never known any great project (in your opinion) that is abandoned due to lack of funds? Never never?
Yes there are people who work for free although it would not be too correct to say so perhaps. In other words, a person cannot work full-time without receiving financial remuneration, because they would not have enough to eat, or to pay for housing, food, etc. That's obvious. But you do work for free, dedicating part of your time, or what is called collaborating.
Nothing of sustenance is being criticized. If you really want to earn a living with Elementary, do like Canonical, create a company, dedicate yourself full time and sell services, or the distribution as is, giving the proportional part to Debian, Ubuntu and others that are the they do the groundwork.
What is criticized is that you cannot get into the world of free software, which is well known that the good thing about it is the collaboration between people and communities, and start demanding in a way that they pay you for it.
The issue of comparing business activities with this is simply a mistake, it is not comparable at all.
I do choose one of the 300 distributions you mention. I have tried Elementary and I don't like it. If it has to disappear, it will disappear, it is the law of life. Of course there are very good and interesting projects that disappear due to lack of funding, but what do you want? If the majority of people decide that it is not to their liking and they do not want to help because they do not use it, what happens, that people have to be forced? I donate for the distributions that I like, that I use or that I would like to grow more. But it is clear that I am not going to donate for those that I do not use or that do not even attract me.
The form of requesting financial compensation that the Elementary boys have had has not been correct. They should have done a crowdfunding campaign and thus they would see how many people are interested in their project.
I am not against payment, I am against the hatred that GNU / Linux is protected by licenses that prevent anyone from coming and closing the source code. What they want is to simply close the source code to prevent the fork, since being free software they have to release if or if the source code which allows someone else to compile and launch another distro as happens with Centos and Red Hat. I have nothing against Red Hat charging for rhel if I have even considered buying the desktop edition. Look at it from Red Hat's side, what if they want to shit on free software licenses to prevent alternatives like centos or scientific linux? They sue them and leave them broke. The free software licenses were created to benefit all of us and the system works well. However, the mentality of the elementary boys does not agree with what is professed in free software, they should as they say on reddit to be based on BSD there if they could close their source code and nobody would tell them anything. Example the operating system of the PS4 that is based on freebsd or another bsd, which is closed and has no obligation to release. However Gnome is free software so they couldn't either.
It was not difficult for me to write zero to download it for free, to you? in the same way where they deserve a little help.
"What does ElementaryOS offer us apart from a handful of unstable applications and a look and feel similar to OS X?" ... I thought about it and ...
I use it and it seems to me to be the most stable of all the distro that I have used (and it is still in BETA), that comment was wrong ... although the Crowdfunding one seems like a good idea.
I am referring to the simple fact that in addition to a Desktop Environment and its applications (whether forks or not), ElementaryOS does not really bring anything new to the GNU / Linux ecosystem, it has nothing different. or if?
Elav: I consider you a super intelligent boy, and I always read you. Does it really seem an aberration to you to want to find a "different" path? Do you really feel that things in Linux work flawlessly? I mean, do we touch the ceiling? Does not give for anything else? (and I'm not talking about the distributions themselves ...).
Today is elementary, yesterday it was Ubuntu with its amazon lens and I don't know how many more. I applaud all those who try to monetize their excellent work. In the end… Every day that I buy a notebook I am sending my money to Microsoft (because it comes pre-installed) and I shut my mouth. And the other projects (all superior to Windows, in my humble opinion) cannot put a slider on the web ??? They can not want to receive a minimum money to support themselves ???
Let's see ... If what was said was said, it is because it is surprising how little collaboration of the people. Obviously the "donation" system doesn't work for these kids. For this reason different paths are sought. I insist, I would like all GNU / Linux developers to do well… Today, in 2015 !!! by the way it has to be ... Hug.
Although I am not elav I answer you, knowing that he will surely also answer you 😀
The issue or problem as we have said several, is not that they charge or want to charge for the product, Suse and Red Hat are examples of non-free software and well, they are not seen with the same eyes with which Apple or Microsoft are seen. , the problem is the phrase, the insult, what they said.
If someone says to me: "pay for X software or you won't get it" fine, I decide if I want and can afford it. But, if that someone tells me: "It is not mandatory to pay for the software, but if you do not pay for it you are a cheater / thief" ... then my friend, excuse me for the phrase but, they can put their software in the middle of the c__o ... (elbow hehehehe).
I repeat, I see GOOD that they want to monetize their invested time, since the apps they have developed I see as acceptable or more, but I do not agree with their words.
Well, you YES, that you are giving a valid and focused answer ... And there I share with you ... The form was not good, ok. I think it is proven that they are not "the Microsoft of Linux for business" hehe.
But, if you read the comments ... They are really (80%), a very important string of nonsense ...
Able to write about these things does not do the GNU / LInux world very good, I mean ... taking into account that we are a minimum percentage of users, to beat each other as it doesn't work, don't you think? Especially when there are not very many distros with the approach in which elementary os moves, with a very specific niche of users (which is not Arch, of course). Greetings 😉
We are a site that not only teaches with manuals or tutorials, it also informs through news or opinion articles, of course, they must be focused well or in a neutral way, or as the author of it understands that it is more correct or fair.
Elav said:
«Although I get it what is the point of the boys of ElementaryOS, the reality is that they did not express it in the best way»(…)« I would pay for the project and its active development to be maintained if I could, and of course, if I were a user of this distribution, since the initial idea and the result have proven to be feasible. However, one thing is that I decide or not to pay to use ElementaryOS and that if I don't, I become a user who cheats the system »(…)« It is true that the work of the developers of many projects OpenSource should be paid»
Although everyone has their opinion, I really do not see that elav has exposed the article in a wrong way, in fact I could not agree more with what he said.
No ... But as seen in the comments ... They threw very red meat to the lions, hehe.
hahahahaha imagine, we would then have to censor the comments of users who are carried away by "anger" or "annoyance", and it is not the idea hahahaha, we do not plan to censor here LOL!
Nicolai first of all thank you for the part that I play. I think KZKG ^ Gaara expressed quite well what I think anyway I say it with my words: Of course you can charge for your work, for the effort, what is not right is to insult the one who does not want to pay (for whatever reasons). That is what this entire article sums up.
regards
It is legal to ask for money for free software and even charge for it (eg: Red Hat) but insulting people for not doing it is going over several towns and more when they are a residual distro that many people simply download, try and forget about it, because what it contributes is the imitation of another proprietary system.
Insulting your potential clients instead of convincing them of the advantages of paying is killing the goose that lays the golden eggs like the SGAE does, what will come next? Threats?
The next thing that will happen is that they apologize as said or that they go ahead and ignore the community like Ubuntu did, where they go on to charge for the download, the penalty is that as they say is a practice of the 90's, that Better get paid for services offered within the app, why does winbugs sound?
It is not bad to want to charge for your work, the problem is that in elementary they want to charge but they do not want to say that they want to charge. They themselves offer an option to get their "job" for free and then recriminate those who get it for free.
How are you supposed to try it without paying then?
I personally have tried Luna and Freya and would not pay for either of them. I find them very "spare" and childish, but what can be expected of people who imitate Apple
How are you supposed to try it without paying then?
I personally have tried Luna and Freya and would not pay for either of them. I find them very "leftover" and childish, but what can be expected of people who imitate Apple.
As we say around here: You portrayed them… +100 😉
Skidding, downhill and no brakes… If they don't back down right away they will find themselves in trouble. At the end of the day, in my opinion as an improvised user of that system for a month, they do not contribute anything special and irreplaceable to the Linux world, only an austere decoration and a good visual aspect (which sometimes makes you quite scarce in options and makes you miss many things); In terms of functionality and use, I did not find anything that was extraordinary and convinced me to stay with Elementary OS forever. They are not competition yet for other distributions, in my opinion, but I think they have not realized ...
I'd like to know Richard Stallman's opinion on all this. Does anyone know if he said anything?
"Ubuntu be bad, therefore, ElementaryOS be bad" ... sure that's what RMS says.
Charging for the distro derived from another derived distro, is crazy, I would pay them only if they made a distro from scratch that will provide something more than a nice interface, but since it is not the case, I see it stupid, I understand that they need financing to cope to their expenses, but that they could achieve through voluntary donations unlinked to the download link of their ISOs.
It's like Linux Mint wants to charge… oh wait… O_O… LOL!
You are absolutely right friend! They should know that the original idea must be respected.
The same goes for me. Make software for gpl and other commercial
When I can, I donate money to Kubuntu and KDE as they are my preferred distro and DE, but I have also donated to Linux Mint (which I don't use) because I think they do a good job enriching the free software community.
In the case of Elementary OS, I do not do it and I would not do it because both your desktop and the chosen applications lack functionality (by design), they believe that they have the best designs and I believe that this is why your user community does not feel involved. or identified. If they get into their G + community, it seems more like a place to show who has the prettiest wallpaper or icon set. Every now and then an eOS user makes fun of a development like Unity, which although I don't like it, free sarcasm is unnecessary.
By attacking the morale of their users to receive donations, they will have less support and if their users really felt identified, eOS would have a great contribution of money, as Linux Mint has. I think that's a case study example.
Kana, while Linux Mint is a good example of this. There are other distros with smaller communities, which have raised the necessary money, each time they have requested financial support from their community.
As you indicate, it is important to be clear in the way in which the money will be used. Well that can help those of us on the other side. We can clearly know how the donated money will be invested.
DesdeLinux It's a good example of what you're talking about. To maintain the servers we have turned most of the time to The Community and it has responded.
Well, I agree with the boys from Elementary. I value your distro in a real donation of € 10 / download, but once it is stable and not in its betas since the beta is unstable and there is still a lot of incompatibility with the programs such as Brasero which I had to replace by Xfburn (Tested on the Elementary OS Beta 2 iso).
You also have to keep in mind that what the guys really sell is a Shell + 10 applications that they have developed. Everything else is Ubuntu repositories + ppa.launchpad which also belongs to Ubuntu.
It seems to me an untenable position that of these guys from ElementaryOS, and also quite pretentious; as if they were the last Coca Cola in the desert. By the way it contrasts quite a lot with the attitude of application developers that are key to the functioning and future of the network and that they subsist on the basis of donations, without creating so much scandal or being the aggrieved, an example is enough: Werner Koch and GPG.
I think colleague Leo portrays them perfectly "... but what can be expected of people who imitate Apple."
I am a common user. I am not an expert in anything nor do I pretend to be, and I entered GNU / Linux out of curiosity / necessity at the same time and I have stayed because of how good it is. Out of testing many distros, the last one I decided to try is Elementary OS. I downloaded Luna for free because I'm not going to pay for something I just want to try. After downloading it, I really liked it. I did not get used to it because I was already used to all the GNOME applications, but I found it very stable, simple and its applications, after two or three days, I hit the ground running and I liked them. Really, the only thing that I find similar to OS X is the dock ... other than that, it looks more like Xfce (the panel) or GNOME. Anyway, when I decided to download this distro it was because I wanted something with a simple DE for my wife, because we share the same laptop, and something fast because in other systems, although at first they were fast, then when they grew a bit with data and everything you put on it got a little slow. So far with Elementary OS that has not happened to me. But hey, what I come up with is that it never seemed right to have a method on your page to "force" the user to make a "donation" through the OS. It's not that I don't appreciate their work, or that I don't think they deserve it, or that I'm too tight-fisted (although I am), or that I don't want to, it's that I've been in the GNU / Linux world for enough years to know that there is better operating systems that do not, that many of those who start a new operating system (not to generalize) do so with bases from an existing one, as is the case that they are based on Ubuntu. So, as you yourselves say, I would hope that part of what they receive will also be shared with Ubuntu so that they can also maintain the basis of what Elementary OS is and many other distributions alike. In Ubuntu it also seemed wrong to me that you have to put a $ 0 to download the operating system but they already changed that (I think). I think the best way to raise funds would be a "Get Involved" or "How to help" section where the user can go and see how they can be involved to help improve the operating system and I wouldn't mind at all if they were first option to donate money. But the attitude of arrogance is the worst enemy of themselves. In addition, it is a distribution that takes very little time, and although it is very good which is something undeniable, they must measure their words because there are many people who have been many more years than them and it is still the time when they do not get with attitudes like that .
I don't pay because I don't currently have money and if I did I wouldn't give it to them (I'm not a user of that distro and I don't like it either), personally I would give it to mozilla, debian, arch and capable to vlc.
But I agree with you, that is not the way to ask for donations
It seems right to me to ask for money to download this copy of Ubuntu with a theme copied from the look of OS X. By the way, I want to charge $ 100 for testing this beta which is the copy of an operating system which is in turn the copy of other. So everyone happy.
PS: Gentlemen of Elementary, do not forget to also pay good emoluments to Cononical for maintaining the repositories from which they "feed" and also to those good people who think that the generosity of sharing knowledge is priceless and who keep their PPAs, from which also feeds his "maquera" distro. Everything is for not cheating, right ?.
I would not charge to download (let anyone try it), but if I wanted to finance myself I would do the same as RHEL, charge to access the repositories (neither charge 250 dollars per year, it is at will). And the source code must be freely available, as specified by the GPL. The only thing I was dedicated to and contributed in various ways was Debian, although I still feel indebted.
sudo gimme $ plz
# »Would change the thing»
And if we do it the old fashioned way?, Have someone buy it and then distribute it out there for free 🙂 pirate mode on
It can, since it can be distributed as it was obtained GPL programs for which it has been paid (with or without cost), without this being a violation of the license.
If I'm not mistaken, Elementary OS is not an operating system developed by these people. It is still an Ubuntu, tuned so that it has aesthetic similarities with OS X. I am not saying that what that group has done has no merit, but it is that they have not done more than take advantage of an existing base resulting from the work of others . Most of the work comes from people from Debian, Ubuntu, and global contributions from the Linux community. They have not done more than apply an aesthetic layer with certain functionalities that works on an existing base as a result of the work of others. That they ask the people who download their distribution to donate money voluntarily, that's fine with me. But criticizing those who do not make the donation, seems out of place, for the reason I have commented.
This guy nailed it right at the angle.
http://www.linuxhiker.org/2015/02/elementary-os-for-profit-product-not.html
Too late, the guy deleted the post and here He clarifies that it was because "it did not generate a productive discussion" (go a baby, and then why open a blog if you can not even hold them to make debates in their posts?).
I'm new to gnu / linux and in the short time I have been here I have tried many distributions and many flavors (typical of newbies), among them elementary os luna, and I really do not understand the adoration that many feel for this distro, unstable, with reduced software , and a bit complicated to customize. If what we want is minimalism, then we have any other to which we can add or remove what we want. As for Pantheon, I do not understand that they see him as special, he does not even reach the heels of cairo-dock. But that is the good thing about GNU / linux, there is everything and for everyone, even for those who do not want to pay anything, or is that not what is criticized of windows?
No, what is criticized for Windows is not that it costs money, but that they force you to pay for it and buy it when you DO NOT want it. They have taken the freedom to buy the product or service that one wants from the market, weren't they capitalists defenders of the free market? No, they are dictators. But come on, those who do it wrong are the politicians for not acting to defend the competition and the citizens for voting for such politicians.
I read the post in the morning, in the afternoon I removed Elementary Os from my computer. I have switched to Linux Mint Cinnamon and I have put Plank in it, I don't notice much difference, really ... Overall, I didn't use the system as they put it.
I think they have dug their own grave ... or make an important change to correct the error and I can see them abandoned the project
Exactly.
(filler text because this page does not accept short messages, what nonsense!)
HEH, it's the fault of I don't-know-what-plugin anti-SPAM was installed, we have to check that 🙂
I just lowered it by $ 0.00 AND I DELETED IT !!! Tomorrow or later I will lower it again and erase it again. Capable and I make a script to download and delete it at all times; total, bandwidth is what I have. I did not like the tone in which they call us cheats. I still did not think to lower it or use it, but the tone is not appropriate. If you want money say so, but if they give the free download option don't cry when most people download it for free.
By the way, as someone out there said, there are those who do not want and there are those who cannot pay.
eOS is downloaded from sourceforge, which connects to the mirrors in public universities that also use arch, ubuntu, fedora, debian, etc (in my case c3sl.ufpr.br). I don't know what you get with this, universities have hundreds or thousands of gigs of bandwidth and traffic every day. In any case, energy companies and hard drive manufacturers like your comment.
I get that the percentage of users who download it by paying $ 0.00 is higher. This way they end up getting more pissed off. Very simple. I make you a diagram?
You have to destroy the enemy at all costs. Everything is in the name of Saint Linux ... Hahahaha! (What madness for the love of God ..., if these people did something real to you in the real world, the thing would be very serious ... We would all end up in prison, hahaha).
If you made a diagram for me, it would just fall off. This data is obtained by tracking the site, not by downloading (who clicks on each button). They (just like Ubuntu) can offer the same link if you go for $ 10/25/50. You get angry with the universities that offer their bandwidth for free to us who never use that distro. Not counting of course the disk write cycles (your problem at the end). For them it is just a statistic provided by Google analytics.
So will I go to hell? I must regret it before. Ah! What a sin I have done!
Well, here we have one of the developers of the distro for free-but-pay-me-or-I-bother-a lot.
I suspect you saw and all the code from the download servers. Anyway. What one reads sometimes around here.
Viewing the source code, developer console (firefox / chrome), or using ghostery you can see that data. Nothing that a mere mortal cannot access.
What download server? Will they have any? With how expensive a private mirror is. From the beginning I said that they use sourceforge which links to university mirrors. Just like a debianite (me in comment 64) or ubuntero does it every day, etc. And here it seems that you do not understand.
Neither you nor. Let's see, where do they get their statistics on how many people download or not their free distro? If those numbers are false then your cry is even more unjustified! And if they are true then by going down several times by $ 0.00 the distro that value will be affected.
Well, there I leave that for you. I'm not here to teach you to reason my friend.
Now you can answer whatever you want that I close my participation with you.
Happy day.
sourceforge never charges a dollar per download, others keep it and make their numbers real or invented. It is good that you have opened your eyes and know that it is a lie. They don't pay for bandwidth so a download doesn't do anything for them.
For me the thing is simpler, they can charge it at $ 10, charge it at $ 100 or give it away for free, elementary OS does not tell me anything.
I completely agree with you.
In my country (Cuba) what ElementaryOS is doing is called "putting a cannon," no more, no less. It is fine that they want to charge for their efforts (it does not matter if they are many or few), but from there they want you to pay "yes or yes?" it is unforgivable ... more if they give the option of not paying, hehehe ... unheard of !!!!
They have their part of reason, now yes, it is clear that if I am going to pay about 50 dollars for something, I hope that I will be paid a little attention to the things that are missing in the distro, and not only that the money is taken from me and that's it. That's why I'm not going to give you anything, or download the distro.
They realized that Elementary's domain is no longer Org
Around there I read that apparently they were not a non-profit organization. So it makes sense that they now change domain to better identify with the type of project they are.
I think it is a very bad elementaryOS strategy, not because of what they ask for but the way they ask for it. Not even Canonical has dared to challenge users like that. And about their contribution, I don't even see a big difference other than the aesthetic modifications of already existing applications. In that case, the only one that could give those words would be Debian since both elementaryOS and its parent Ubuntu are based on it. Where is the feedback?
I prefer to pay 10 or 25 dlls for a more stable Linux distro than others, taking into account in advance that I know that their applications will not fail, they will not spy on me, I can download more applications for free and all for 25 dlls. There are people who spend more on other things than on protecting their privacy on the Internet.
I really like that distro a lot if I had access to dollars with all the pleasure in the world I would pay it but that comment disappointed me to the point that I stopped using it, I switched to Ubuntu at once.
Well, you are not the only friend.
After reading the message. I realized that the developers were not entirely satisfied with the community support. And having recommended it left and right bothered me a lot.
So I have taken my things and have said goodbye to elementary os.
In this precious moment. I am on my reliable, powerful and robust KDE desktop. Which runs on Linux Mint. And since it allows me to take advantage of the Ubuntu repositories.
Now I realize that if someone should give my money. It would be to big projects like: FSF, GNU, Firefox, LibreOffice, GIMP, KDE and (now) Linux Mint. Without which it would be impossible for me to earn a living through my work.
Being sincere I will say; Let them keep their distro. Because options exist galore. So it is not worth tying up with a distro that is made by people who do not value their community.
LOL I just noticed that the Windows logo appears 🙁
Maybe it's because I usually sail through Tor.
It depends on the desire and ability of the people ...
I would give you money but I think that before there are projects that need it the most, such as the foundation of soft libre and some more specific project such as libreoffice that has been doing things well
Also some pesos for debian that everyone eats from there beyond the added capable
Almost the same as others have written.
But ... if you could pay with other options ... bank transfer for example ..
I think a lot of people YES, WOULD DONATE.
not everyone has a card ... or paypal ... and others do not trust.
I share that I do not like the way I act, calling those who decide not to donate cheats.
But I understand the anger of the developers. They spend time making a distribution that many use and cannot make a living from it, which is what they like to do. This leads to frustration. I think in all this environment, we would have to think that they are giving us free operating systems, and that they deserve a minimal donation. If all the users of a distribution made a donation of $ 5, I think it would be a very good income for them. And this type of frustration would be avoided.
And do you think that's bad? The Windows version of tube It is shareware and they require you to donate to them (in Linux they do not force you to pay anything), so if I want to use it for more than 30 days then I have to compile it myself (does anyone know if it can be done with MinGW or Cygwin?) or search a cracked version.
Also, what desktop environment does Elementary OS use? Because if the only interesting thing it offers is a similar aspect to MacOS and some mediocre little programs, then, wouldn't it be better if they became an independent repository to install separately everything that do they offer (that way it would be easier to maintain and they wouldn't be begging for coins)?
Elementary OS, it seems to me a very nice distro, but there is still a long way to go to be an operating system to use every day, personally I downloaded it because it seemed to me that it had very nice aesthetics, I think people would pay for something you use Every day, maybe with time the OS improves and if people are willing to pay for it, but at the moment I don't think that will happen.
My point of view is the following I would pay why not but we do not use paypal, or credit card and what they use abese card they are afraid of paying not that they are left with something more than money. If they could payment options such as dineromail, things like that or the other page that is similar to this or that of the same mercadolibre that is Mercadopago is something else since people could pay if they want it is something that we all have advice. Whether or not we have a card or paypal account, brizzar uses it to pay for their games because the opensurse software does not or as free design. and on the elementary I really like its a parinsia to one that I would like you to add a button to minimize or maximize the window among other things but I would not pay for the simple fact of not having a card or paypal account. And I think that it would happen to a lot I'm from Argentina, and here you saw that with the wow, they all played trucho because they could not pay since brizzar was making a card and paypal put money in mail and every day they play original and pay for the game here it would happen same. =) I greet all the delinux
I very much agree with your words, I have been using luna for a little over a year, in fact I was about to make a "contribution" because the truth is I really like the product beyond small flaws. But the truth is that I came across this message a bit discouraged (it sounded arrogant to me). As a developer I am more than happy to receive, even if it is, something in exchange for our time at least, but there are ways and in this case they were extra limited, in fact I enjoy being able to recognize the good work of people contributing to their causes , I feel that it is a way of saying thank you. In addition, if you say well, some of their collection should be directed to the projects on which they were based. For now I will wait for the stable version and based on that I will make my decision. At least this is my humble opinion.
Late comment… It's already out 😉
I always said it ... let you free and shit and privatize, if you believe that your work is worth something then sell it, and who does not believe it so do not buy a car if you can not pay for gasoline ... go walk!
I'm writing this comment from Elementary OS booted from the pendrive, and googling ^ why lementary OS ^ fell on this blog…. The truth is google why I met ->
Ubuntu background
A bad imitation of the OS X skin with Gnome in the background
And now that I read this article I boot Fedora from the disk and delete the ISO.
Regards!
It only remains to add ... Cuack!
but queeeeeeee, what's wrong, elementary is a very good distribution but that is still a distribution and paying is optional like any free code, super ugly that they are "scolding" just because we don't donate, so those who want to be capitalist like microsoft having free code, it seems like a lot to me.
I belong to the group of those who cannot pay it, I live in Venezuela and I don't have access to the necessary currency to pay even $ 1, one of the things that I liked the most is the free software communities and of course, one day when I can have access, I will donate something, I find it uncomfortable to say "why pay for it, if it's free" and even more so when I know that behind what I use every day there are months and months of work.