Sorry for the users of OpenOffice but i will be "hot spicy" with this article, as it will be written under my most sincere personal opinion about this Office Suite, which seems to me, has lost the trust of millions of users.
I find it shocking how it begins ad issued by Apache regarding this new version:
Numerous open source enhancements to the leading, multi-platform, multi-language Office Suite, with more than 100 million users worldwide; download now available for Windows, Linux and Macintosh for free.
And reading the rest of the article I have a couple of doubts:
- When OpenOffice have you had to download paying for it?
- 100 million users? Seriously? Where can I reliably view that data?
- As far as I know, OpenOffice was available for Windows y GNU / Linux… I don't know if for OS X. Or am I wrong?
Anyway, I don't understand what it's coming Apache with all this now, trying to get through our eyes a product that in honor of the truth, what is new apart from using a new license? It seems to me that the boys of Apache they are blowing up a lot of balloons with this news. Is it the desperation to reunite a Community that feels comfortable with LibreOffice with The Document Foundation?
Let's see from above a piece of information to take into account.What is the most used or popular distribution of GNU / Linux? Ubuntu as they say, right? Which office suite comes by default Ubuntu? Because to my knowledge it is not OpenOffice. Doesn't this affect the statistics offered by Apache? And I speak of Ubuntu How can I talk about any other distribution, since many have chosen LibreOffice after the changes of hand that has suffered OpenOffice after Oracle acquired to Sun Microsystems.
I only see two possible solutions to all this:
- O Apache stop wasting effort and join LibreOffice.
- O Apache radically change the Suite (interface included) with real news for the use of users.
What do I mean by this? That I care very little if OpenOffice releases version 5.0. If in the end it does not bring anything relevant and I repeat, truly relevant, I do not see why I have to stop using LibreOffice, when so far, the boys of The Document Foundationhave shown that they are working hard to improve their Office Suite.
I don't know about you, but that's how I see it.
In osx it was also available in fact, and the new version is also available xd, honestly it is the same to use openoffice or libreoffice, much difference will not be noticed.
It is not so. LibreOffice has optimized a lot of obsolete code present in OpenOffice.
Can you enlighten us about what you say? I am not saying this without any intention, I am simply very interested in this topic.
Greetings.
TDE may serve as a reference to see the source code of both openoffice and Libre Office and compare them:
FreeOffice: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/?s=idle
OpenOffice: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/
But if you are lazy, better observe that the activity in the development of free office is much higher than that of open office, I think it is a way of verifying that the code has been highly optimized in Libre Office as opposed to Open office.
Greetings.
Good that .. excellent way to compare .. Thanks for the tip.
Thank you very much to both. I will give myself the task of analyzing a little.
It really is surprising and in a way, incomprehensible, this news from the Apache foundation, the only thing I can think of is that it intends to make noise so that they can see OpenOffice with new eyes. Of the "discredit", better not even talk, all thanks to Oracle, one more ¬.¬.
Something I don't understand is because if you have the source code of Lotus symphony, He did not make full use of it, I must confess that I used it and the idea that IBM gave with this product was excellent, it had its great flaws, like any application, some fools, if you like, but well at the end of the day. If Apache had known how to use this point to its advantage, it really could have put LibreOffice in a big dilemma. Another point to consider is: because Apache supports the idea of continuing to fragment users by making them decide between LibreOffice and OpenOffice, what is the use of something like this? I do not get it, the user does not need more fragmentation, he needs more and better options / solutions., is something that is turning out to be too annoying ...
If you take into account that many institutes use Ubuntu 10.04 lts without updating, you will realize that openoffice is still well present in the educational world.
But the number of institutes that use Ubuntu LTS ... come on, they are not that many, far from it.
Ubuntu maybe not, well in mine there is one that does, but most use Max, the Madrid distro based on Ubuntu and that is also shit, since sometimes it crashes with inserting a pendrive.
That "USB" problem happened to me often with Gnome ¬.¬, don't even remind me, once I loaded Arch + Gnome3 for a similar incident ¬.¬
Chance.
It is that here there is not a single computer in the library with which you do not get scared when putting a pendrive, nor that the pendrive was Medusa.
But come on, it's that technologies are for young people, not for you.
XD, the same has to say a goat of 14 or 15 of you XDDDD
If they don't use ubuntu lts, they use a distro that they themselves base on ubuntu, here in Catalonia for example there is linkat and all the institutes that come with that distro come with open office, and there are many. A serious institution should not use distros that come out every 6 months, but stable distros that do not need to be updated, but that they are frozen is enough.
I have machines installed here with Ubuntu 8.04 and they have LibreOffice 3.5, as it can be installed without problems. Therefore, you can have any stable distro with this office suite and it does not have to be OpenOffice.
The one who takes care of installing the distro, simply installs it and period, with what comes it stays, the thing is that you see it from the vision of a user, which is very different from that of a public school teacher with a ubuntu disk in hand.
I don't know how things work in Spain, but here, for example, I work in an educational institution, and I'm in charge of giving teachers and students the best tools to work. I suppose that in those public schools, there has to be a person who is in charge of the same, to investigate, to test and implement the best for the teaching / educational process.
In mine it is something more or less like that, because there is a "technician", if you can call him that because he has no fucking idea about computers, which is the one who fixes and installs things.
Sometimes I look like the technician ...
OpenOffice matters to me as much as Oracle cares - damn!
I put on Twitter that OpenOffice is more popular with Windows users than LibreOffice; and I add to what @ pandev92 says, Red Hat, and therefore Centos, also uses OpenOffice. If it has the red hat backing, I don't think it's as bad as they paint it. Also, I would like to know what real differences there are between one and the other, beyond the thinning of the code. I do not defend the policy that was applied to this suite, but let's not forget that without it LibreOffice would not have existed.
regards
redhat folks, don't use openoffice anymore, already have antagonism with oracle, (I'm already trying to buy redhat), trust me use libreoffice
Right now I have more confidence in libreoffice as a project, product and community. And although libreoffice came out of openoffice, LO is a project that from the beginning proved to be more proactive than OO and that is seen in its development plans and what it has shown to date.
By the way I congratulate you for your website is excellent and with very good content.
Thank you
We try to do the best we can 🙂
Apache takes too long to release a new version of OpenOffice. In my opinion, LibreOffice already has the battle won or, as Venezuelans say, I already took out a brunette xD
regards
I think they try to make noise with OpenOffice, to revive it. And I think it's good.
Remember what happened with Firefox, as it had no real competition, until Chrome arrived, it rested on its laurels.
Even if it's just so that doesn't happen to LibreOffice, it's okay for Apache to move around a bit.
It is silly to make up a dead person pretending that people believe that he is still alive when the stench already gives him away. Sorry for the inelegant analogy, but I feel like this is all bullshit at this point. Libreoffice won the race a long time ago, TDF has done an excellent job, especially in cleaning the code (which is noticeable in performance from 3.4 onwards) and they have achieved a product that perhaps only needs a change of image (leave behind the Office 2000 look). I think that Apache should let a project without a future die in peace or offer a real alternative.
I think you are unfair to judge OpenOffice and especially the Apache Software Foundation in this way.
After Oracle ditched OpenOffice and turned the Apache Foundation into keeping OpenOffice, they have had to take over something they had no obligation to do.
And I think you are wrong when you say (and claim) that the only possible path for Apache is either to join LibreOffice or to let OpenOffice die. There is another way and it is to continue developing it, because we remember that IBM donated the Symphony code to the Apache Foundation, which will mean that, when they introduce this code back to OpenOffice, it will make both OpenOffice and LibreOffice benefit greatly.
You are also wrong when you assume that because Ubuntu (or the vast majority of distros) use LibreOffice, it makes this suite the most popular (or the most used) of the free office suites, because, as they have said before, OpenOffice is much more widespread on Windows than LibreOffice. Let's not forget that there are numerous institutions that migrated to OpenOffice in recent years, in addition to the thousands of users who use OpenOffice on this operating system.
On the other hand, I was amused to see the amount of criticism of OOo from people who have no idea what they are talking about.
Finally, I can only say, life diversity!
In addition to all that, I have forgotten to add that right now, both OO and LO get feedback from improvements in the 2 suites.
I said at first, that the article was based on my personal opinion, I did not expect the rest to think that I am fair.
Wrong from whose point of view? I repeat, it is my personal opinion, I am not an analyst or statistician. If so much Apacheas PTO, they work on the same path, to improve, maintain and provide Open Source Office Suite What's the point of them working separately? Wouldn't it be better for Apache continue dedicating yourself to what you know how to do and leave (or support) the work of PTO who is fully dedicated to LibreOffice?
And that has one word for me: Ignorance. OpenOffice broke through like the Open Source Office Suite most popular in his time, therefore as the saying goes, for me that is just: Raise fame, and go to sleep. Everyone who has tracked down both applications, and has seen the trajectory that both took since SUN passed away, you will know that for the moment, LibreOffice is better, that it has a more active development and I am sure, that OpenOffice released this new version, using many of the improvements implemented in LibreOffice.
Another thing anubisYou should know that not everyone who shares an opinion different from yours is wrong, because you are not absolutely right about what you think and much less, you are an omnipotent being who dictates that it is correct or not.
regards
I quote my own words, in case they are not clear:
According to my point of view. My own, personal and non-transferable, ok?
It will be due to ignorance. But, like it or not, LibreOffice is not the most widespread open source suite, no matter how ignorant its users may be.
elav, I know perfectly well that not everyone who shares my opinion is wrong and that I am not absolutely right and that I may be wrong in my statements. But above all, keep in mind that what I have said they are also personal opinions (hence he said I instead of I firmly affirm.
And to finish, tell you that with being omnipotent, you have gone a bit, or is it that you can express your opinions and others cannot, no matter how contrary to yours they may be? Review my comment again and you will see that I do not make statements, but I give my opinions.
And to clarify it completely. Tell you that I did not intend to create controversy when using my comment, if not to engage in a friendly discussion, a debate on this topic.
Because now I see many attacking OO (I don't mean you, Elav), saying it's duplicating efforts and such. It is curious to see these same people defending distributions that are only bulky, because they only change the distribution on which the wallpaper, the graphic theme and 2 other nonsense are based, alluding that diversity is good. A double standard to measure things when we are interested 😉
I repeat myself: Long live diversity!
Man, maybe I spent as you say, but it is not the same to say:
to say:
Well, as you say: You think I'm wrong according to what you think, and even though you don't point it out directly, it's as if my opinion isn't as true as yours. But nothing, then let's continue with the friendly debate, although I never took it otherwise.
LibreOffice ALL THE WAY
To taste colors. And to give an opinion, one must be informed. And once informed, if it transmits, inform well. And I'm sorry, because I think this article has not put this into practice.
I do not agree with what you say, but I respect that you have an opinion.
As for your interpretation of the Apache ad, you have to sharpen the words to interpret it like this. More as it has been practically the same announcement for version 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 and 3.3 of OOo.
If anyone is interested in knowing what's new in version 3.4, they can take a walk through open-office.es, where you will find an article in Spanish about all the ones that have been incorporated into this version.
And if you think ASF has been scratching its nose, read the article posted on their blog https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/ especially the work done from the "gift" of Oracle.
All this comment, of course, "in my opinion."
regards
First of all, a pleasure to have you here.
I did not know that my "opinion" had such an impact. I will take him at his word and read, in «Spanish», the changes included OpenOfficeHowever, I did not expect someone like you who seems to support / develop / promote OpenOffice, agree with me. However, I do not want to start a debate that will end like the classics: "KDE vs Gnome": "Windows vs Linux". And obviously, I wrote this post based on the article published on the site of OpenOffice.
I think the first thing would be to clarify that I have nothing personal against OpenOfficeRather, my confidence in the project was simply diminished with the mass loss of its main developers, who came together to create PTO Or am I wrong? I am not one of those users who "go by version number" leaving quality aside. I've seen "results" in LibreOffice that much less time, than when the project was part of SUN.
BTW. In order not to speak baselessly, I was reviewing the changes described in su Blog, and since I don't have much time, I did the following: I opened LibreOffice and I was looking if it had the news that AOo had included. I don't know if it was a coincidence, but among those I looked for (mainly those with graphic example), are already available in LibreOffice 3.4. o_o
I ask myself, or rather, I ask you who is more immersed in the subject: How many of these changes have been truly included by Apache? Were none of these improvements taken from the work you have done PTO? My intention with this question is simply to know, do not take it the wrong way. Although it may not seem like it, I am not a person who speaks to speak, lightly.
I hope and OpenOffice in hands of Apache grow, mature, improve, but I'm telling you, I still see as a better alternative that both projects come together and put all their effort into creating a better product for users of Linux,Windows y Mac.
Greetings ^^
Hopefully and OpenOffice in the hands of Apache grows, matures, improves, but I already tell you, I still see as a better alternative that both projects come together and put all their effort into creating a better product for Linux, Windows and Mac users.
That would be valid for 90% of Linux distros, thousands of music programs, video etc etc that are the same that do the same and do not contribute anything new, but it will never happen, it is a utopia
Good luck "friend", I believe in variety ...
Ooo in particular gave me a solution when I needed an office suite.
What if it awakens is the change of hands, that feeling of uncertainty is not at all pleasant, I mean, there are options but you love the suite.
If I consider the Apache ad to be very pretentious.
We'll see…
Joining efforts is fine, but variety is a virtue rather than a problem.
Another question is the resources but what happens with the new projects… are they unjustifiable? Or is there someone who thinks that they either join (if you can and they let you) to what there is, or better that they do not exist.
For that reason I do not see "the problem", good luck to all and there are many more.
Almost nobody cares, it only has 1 million downloads in 8 days… openoffice.org/news/aoo34-1M.html 😛
Well, if I am interested, Apache Openoffice comes out with a long delay, and although it is true, Libre office has the reception and the support of one of the most popular Linux distributions that there is at the moment, however, the list of changes It is not to be underestimated, very deep changes were made in terms of code review and performance, and although they seem minor changes in functionalities, the ones they did are interesting and well done, in short, they have released a very revised product, without improvising and that. always is good…
Hola!
I have installed two distros, Fedora 16 and Debian 6.0.5, and I have tested only Fedora but I realized something that sounded a bit strange to me referring to the philosophy of each one, Fedora comes with Libre Office and Debian comes with Open Office.
Shouldn't it be the other way around?
When Debian 6 came out, there was still no libreoffice.
Hi folks, I have learned to program something in GTK 3.0, Vala (GTK 3.0) and PyGtk 3.0.
I have written a small graphical interface WIDGET for an office suite …………. I am limited since in GTK 3.0 there are not many WIDGETS ………… .But I have failed to do my best …… .. I actually designed this program a DEMO or concept ……………… .. and I wanted to see your opinions at respect .... have if we improve it.
My design is not based on OFFICE 2010… ..I am really looking for something simple that reminds me of the GOOGLE + or CHROME interface ………. It does not complicate and is simple to handle ………. I don't like the GTK MENUBAR and removed it in my design ………… .. I also look for a symmetric proportion. Or if you like the design of PAULOP.
http://fotos.subefotos.com/2bc5cf1b09be61059294ea212bf6f5d8o.png
I was talking a little with the people of LIBREOFFICE ………………. LIBREOFFICE is not aesthetic ………… since the graphical interface is written in VCL, a C ++ language similar to BORLAND C ++ for graphical interfaces ………… .. that they put in LIBREOFFICE is a small package that emulates the WIDGETS of GTK 2.0 and GTK 3.0 …………… ..this is noticed in the COMBO BOX when choosing the style of LIBREOFFICE and the SCROLLBAR ………………….
If LIBREOFFICE had a graphical interface written in a language compatible with
GTK 3.0 would look much more aesthetic. But that's a lot of work for programmers …… you have to deny the compatibility of LIBRARIES ……… .the changes are going to be little by little in LIBREOFFICE.
At this point when you try to import a document or a presentation from microsoft office LibreOffice is still not capable of converting the images of windows metafiles or enhanced metafiles or in their latest version. However, OpenOffice did it perfectly. I ended up ditching LibreOffice to go back to an old version of Oracle OpenOffice. Without a doubt, I'm interested in trying Apache's OpenOffice.
Well, seeing the screenshots of aoo 4.0, the truth is that it seems to me that libreoffice is gaining ground, at least in aesthetics and functionality, and also in import and compatibility with office… .. mmmmmmm…. It seems to me that I will give it a chance