As many must already know, the fact that Chromium replace Mozilla Firefox in the next version of Ubuntu, and I intend to offer my opinion on this.
Beyond my tastes or preferences, I have to say that Chromium It is an excellent browser, very fast, and that already has a large number of extensions - something that Firefox still surpasses by little - and of very good quality. I think it goes without saying that the popularity of Chromium, apart from its characteristics as an application, it has risen thanks to the marketing behind Google Chrome.
But let's get to the point I want to get to. In Firefoxmania An article has been published stating the reasons why it is adopted Chromium en Ubuntu, and in turn, the reasons why they should not stop using Firefox. I leave them below:
The reasons they state in OMG! ubuntu:
- Google Chrome has overtaken Firefox in use.
- There is a "clear claim" from users, pleading that Chrome could meet expectations.
- A shift towards WebKit offers us through convergent platforms.
- Much of your code will be used in Ubuntu Touch, as well as in web applications.
Now the reasons from the guys from Firefoxmania:
- Firefox represents freedom on the Web and constitutes one of the most successful Open Source projects.
- Chromium is not the same as Chrome, does not include the functionalities of this, nor is it located in the number of languages / languages that Firefox.
- In Firefox there are also web applicationsIn fact, Firefox OS is the greatest exponent Mozilla has to demonstrate the power of these applications running on Gecko.
- 2 years ago Chrome / Chromuim were much faster than Firefox but now everything has changed, Mozilla put the batteries, optimized its Gecko / SpiderMonkey / IonMonkey engines, made Firefox lighter. Firefox gets better every day.
- El future promises: a new cleaner interface is on the way, WebGL + JS + Games + Videos is the perfect combination, a new programming language that better exploits today's powerful microprocessors is under development, in addition, a new rendering engine is also constituted .
My opinion
I am not going to try to explain what each point above consists of. I go from the base that it seems to me that the least promotes Ubuntu It is the use of an open web or even the use of OpenSource applications. Hang in there fanboys, don't want to eat me now and let me explain my reasons. As I see it (and I may be wrong) a Ubuntu what interests you is:
- Try to grab a large share of the mobile market.
- Catch up with RedHat in support.
- To continue being the most used distribution, as that contributes to the two previous points.
The point is that to achieve these goals, Ubuntu You can use any application, whether proprietary or not, because as the saying goes: The end justifies the means. And BEWARE, the fact that this does not comply with my principles or ideas does not mean that I do not understand it or believe it is incorrect.
Therefore, the points made by the boys of Firefoxmania a Ubuntu neither it goes, nor it comes. What Chromium have less language support? Does not matter. What Firefox has improved a lot? Does not matter. That Firefox has the technology to do what Ubuntu needs? It still doesn't matter.
And let's face it, sometimes you get tired of waiting for promised changes and improvements that never come or take too long, and we all know that Chromium / Chrome they march at a fast pace with their novelties.
So I don't think the polls help much to Firefox, even though I support 100% the reasons they state in Firefoxmania. Nor do I think there should be much fuss around this, since Mozilla users will be able to install Firefox from the repositories as usual, although of course, what comes by default is almost always what is used the most.
As I see it, maybe this gives an incentive to the boys of Mozilla to work harder, and hopefully so. For me Firefox it is much better browser than Chrome / Chromium in many aspects, and his philosophy is more with me, but as always, to Canonical You will not care about my opinion or that of many of you.
Now if you ask me: I vote by Firefox.
I use chromium / chrome since it came out, for your synchronization, but if Ubuntu is going to put it by default, I think I should change my preferences. (I'm archer).
I use Chromium to manage my Google accounts (I use both Chromium and Chrome), but lately the version that the launchpad brings has been bothering my life (and I'm still waiting for it to finish downloading my Debian wheezy).
If you use Chronium and Shit OS please learn to use an OS in good condition, use Linux in any of its flavors, it is much better than that shit OS
regards
I vote for Firefox for the simple fact that Chrome and Chromium on Linux are not up to par with their Windows counterpart (there are pages that don't work for me as they should on Chrome or Chromium). Also, Chromium does not have what makes Chrome special, such as the updated Flash Player and the PDF reader.
The Pepper Flash Player is vastly heavier than Adobe's Flash player, and the PDF reader gobbles up more RAM than the Adobe Reader.
It is because of those plugins that I use Chromium and Iceweasel the most.
Well of course, the pepper flash sucks ... it can't even use gpu acceleration on nvidia, it uses the cpu for decoding from what I could test, and it drops a lot of frames.
In that I agree with you. I hate Pepper Flash.
Totally agree. I have been using Google Chrome (stable version) for a few months but finally I have returned to Firefox because there are websites that in Chrome do not work or do not work well. For example: ebay.
sudo apt-get remoce chromium && sudo apt-get install firefox
ready, less trash xd
* remove
In my case it would be apt-get install -t wheezy-backports iceweasel-l10n-es-es (Iceweasel rocks!).
I don't use the distro, but I would like them to stop Firefox. There are many reasons to support it.
Also, I think that WebKit is declining and that is why Chromium is nightly using Blink, although the difference may not be noticed when browsing.
Between Chromium and Firerox, I lean towards Firefox / Iceweasel for Linux and Chromium for Windows (Firerox does not reach the level of resource consumption that it has in Linux if we use it in Windows and Chromium works well depending on the community build provider that is used, but I don't oo recommend using the Launchpad version).
In all ways, I support Iceweasel / Firefox over Chromium due to its improved adoption of HTML standards.
I stick with Firefox / Iceweasel. I could never get used to Chrome, and I have believed that its such amazing performance is due more to its absolute integration with google than anything else.
Totally agree.
+1. Sure, let's go. By the way, Firefox :).
I support you.
Your current Chrome performance is due more than anything to the Pepper Flash Player and the included PDF reader. In Chromium it runs faster as long as you don't start syncing your GMail.
Mozilla should stop using tokens in its sync function, as it works already horrible.
I use Chromium, because I use several PCs and I like to have everything (bookmarks, extensions, history,…) the same in all of them, but it is not really my everyday browser. In Arch + KDE, which is what I use the most, rekonq or Opera are the chosen ones.
Regarding the reasons for Firefoxmania, in the second point, not only is Firefox getting faster and faster, Chrome / Chromium is also getting heavier and slower every day.
I don't understand, that cannot be the only reason to use Chromium, as it is a functionality that Firefox also has.
Sure, it does, but the last time I tried it in Firefox a PIN was needed, on the other hand, in Chrome (ium) you only use your Google account.
As already mentioned, that is the "hook" of CH.
I am happy with an xmarks add-on, no matter what browser I am in. It allows importing bookmarks in case the browser you will use does not have support for Xmarks. from midori, opera, chromium, explorer (at work), and my dear firefox. My bookmarks always at hand.
Will there be a version for smart phones like Android, iOS or Blackberry?
Do not forget that Opera also has its Opera Link, which favorites are synchronized for both cell phones and desktop PCs and it turns out to be much faster when it comes to synchronizing your favorites.
But the PIN that is self-generated in the machine where you want to synchronize Firefox, you write it down and enter it in the one where you are running Firefox Sync, it is not complicated either.
It seems silly to me to be arguing about that topic, put chromium and firefox together and then each one chooses which one he likes best (or both). For example, at my girlfriend's house they use opera and firefox. Fixed issue 😉
That's right, a menu to choose at the beginning and that's it.
I vote for Firefox, I love it, but I switched to Chromium. Why? Because as I already "discussed" with Elva on Twitter, in KDE the integration of Firefox is simply PENOUS (in Gnome it is not the panacea). There is no color when you see Firefox on Windows or Mac. Chromium on the other hand integrates seamlessly into KDE (preserving the aesthetic characteristic it brings).
I love what Mozilla does and I actually have a lot of interest in Firefox OS, but my perception is that Chromium treats all platforms the same, and I stick with the latter.
PS: what a good image, FF looks like a Juubi 😉
Poor Ubunteros, they need to change the Wallpaper and they die.
For my part, I replaced firefox with Google Chrome, and Thunderbird with Microsoft Outlook 2013.
And I use Chromium nightly on Windows, and I don't use any mail clients so far (not even Thunderbird).
Don't tell me, and do you have the big Windows logo for wallpaper? xD
The truth is, what I think is that being ubuntu for mobile devices on one side and firefox with its own system on the other, it may be a strategy to minimize future competition from firefox as well as not depending on it, similar to what apple did with the maps apps, etc.
That's right, business reasons.
Does anyone have an official list of things that differentiate Chrome from Chromium? Officer, not what we've seen on news websites; Iron, for example, does have a table on his page to explain it. Even so, in the extensions web most of the ones I have seen add the "activating this extension you can send information to third parties". Is it supposed that if you have them installed in Chromium / Iron it doesn't send data? I doubt it.
That said, I'm not going to defend Firefox either, those who complained about Debian fixing their bugs to the point where Iceweasel had to come up ...
I have never used Ubuntu, but in everything it is doing (Touch, Mir, etc) it has my support. Debian has gotten a ton of packages from Ubuntu (not to mention who brought Steam to Linux), not bad for a distro that only thinks about it.
But wasn't the emergence of IceWeasel due to friction with Firefox's rights, the logo, or something like that?
I have not studied the subject in depth, but what I have heard is that Firefox said that Debian could not make any type of change (apart from compilation options and so on) in its program and then upload it as an official version. Since those changes include bugs for backward versions (Mozilla fixed them in the later version, but as we know Debian is slower), Debian released Iceweasel.
Although if someone adds a link where they clarify it completely, I would appreciate it.
I vote for firefox, I've been using it for years, since version 2.0 or something like that, I have a sentimental attachment to this browser, its philosophy, and its pet xD
I have chromium installed but honestly I don't use it, it has never completely convinced me, I prefer to use midori or dwb.
Helena! Fuck you showed up! I was looking for you xD ... when I find you through G + I have to comment on some things
hehehe ... it's that I've been sick and the weather is horrible, you also have to study and it doesn't give me much to be lazy on the PC xD I already enter G + to talk
Initially I used Chromium because of its speed and ease of synchronization, but I realized that if you use nightly on Windows and community on GNU / Linux, you might be disappointed and give up. As for Firefox / Iceweasel, I use it for its speed, but its Firefox Sync tool needs to iron out some rough edges (I hate its tokens).
you're right in that eliotime3000, firefox sync is a very good idea, but it needs a polish one, there are times that bookmars don't sync well, and the speed has improved beastly since those days of the 2.x versions at first I thought to use chromium as Quick search browser, but I did not like it, I also noticed something, but I imagine it is because of the libraries, the firefox with its language pack occupies 49 mb installed and chromium occupies 124 mb, and it is a bit heavy when updating . also firfox has the extensions that I use daily, with the new way of viewing downloads I don't detach myself from it: 3
As I use Debian (and this month I plan to update oldstable to stable), when using Iceweasel, I realized that it was much faster than the Windows version of Firefox and that on desktops like GNOME, XFCE and LXDE it is on par Chromium in terms of execution speed and processes (although it takes up less space in terms of installation, at the time of execution it is good).
Chromium / Chrome sync is good, but if you start using Windows nightly build and sync it with your GNU / Linux distro community build (if you are unlucky enough to use Ubuntu / Debian, I don't think you'll find one version on par with the official Chrome release), the result is really disastrous. Apparently I prefer to use Opera for bookmarks, but since I use Tweetdeck for Chromium, I think I will choose to install Chromium nightly on Debian because at least it goes faster in terms of compatibility and web page rendering than the official and stable version of Chrome.
Anyway, I'm using Chromium for some things and Tweetdeck and Iceweasel for general browsing.
Although they include it by default, you can always install Firefox from the repos, and the fact that it is the default maybe google will give some money to the canonical people, I see it as a matter of marketing and not productivity.
Firefox is by far a better browser than Chrome and its forks! In addition, he has more time on the ground and if he has stayed it has been for something 😀
Vote for Firefox!
Regards!
Thanks @elav and <ºLinux for opening the discussion here. At Firefoxmania we laid out our thoughts on this to show people why Firefox should stick with it and that the reasons Cannonical says are not strong enough to justify the change.
Perhaps ours were few (there is room for more) but those are enough to stimulate debate and clarify this situation a bit.
Personally, I believe that behind the Cannonical decision there are other goals and thoughts, other paths.
As I said in the article: Fighting for Firefox is fighting for the Open Web.
Firefox is a great browser and as Elav says, I also prefer Firefox (Especially because if you configure it with the TOR network and use a proxy it is possible to browse the Deep Web with Firefox, which in Chromium / Google chrome not: B)
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CASE…
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As a chromium and ubuntu user, I am very happy with the news and it goes without saying where my vote goes, although this post would make more sense if blog users had ubuntu installed and chromium as a browser, it is like debating in alcoholics anonymous about whether vodka is better or rum
I find that the default browser does not matter, if one wants to use another that installs it from the software center, from synaptic or from the terminal ... not all people who use Windows use IE and not all people who use Linux in general (almost all distributions bring it by default) use Firefox
I use Chromium nightly and Firefox on Windows (I barely update IE because Windows still, despite IE not being integrated, still exist the damn HTML applications that use the Trident engine to render the HTML pages that these programs include) , and Opera by question of the links that I add when I enter from my cell phone with Android.
On Linux, I prefer Firefox / Iceweasel / IceCat over Chromium / Chrome (Ubuntu and Debian community builds are quite backward compared to Arch).
As far as I understand, Firerox Sync requires inserting a token on the PC you want to sync and that is impractical when it comes to syncing.
I used Chromium (in Windows I also used Chromium) just because in Firefox the rendering of fonts (at least on LCD screens, it happened to me regardless of the operating system I used) was bad, as in version 21 they fixed it I became my favorite.
In addition, Firefox consumes less RAM than Chromium, which started out as a fast and light browser but gradually became a more resource-consuming browser than Firefox was in the past.
Use Chromium nightly on Windows. Do not synchronize anything and use the necessary plugins such as Flash Player, and you will realize that it is on par with Firefox and if you use Google Chrome on that system, you will realize that the Pepper Flash Player is crap and the PDF reader that comes included in Chrome is heavier than the one that comes in Firefox.
that was the version that I used in Windows, and in chromium I only had flashplugin, icedtea and adblock (the same as in fx) and firefox works better than chromium, it consumes less resources (like AB + compared to Adblock) and firefox doesn't closes itself on me or hangs every so often for seemingly unknown reasons like chomium
In that I agree with you, since the Chromium nighlty sometimes came you a version that had errors even because of the logo, and that is why I always use Iceweasel to navigate itself and Chromium / Chrome in terms of apps and synchronization (more for the Tweetdeck and the Hotot which are my favorite Twitter and Identica clients).
The "stable" versions that Chromiun Launchpad has do not have bugfixes, and that is why it is the same or worse than Chromium nighlty (although currently the nightly is with a decent stability so that the Tweetdeck tab does not close and that at least know how to support the NT 6.0 kernel with SP2 that Windows Vista has).
Anyway, I give my vote to Firefox / Iceweasel.
I use Iron (or chromium failing that). The only reason I use it is that, like someone else who mentioned it, the synchronization of markers (what matters most to me), configuration (have the same in all my Chromiums, Iron regardless of whether they are portable), history, and navigation suggestions (I manage the passwords with LastPass that if there is in FF). And I use Firefox when some page does not open well, but if I could synchronize Firefox in the same way with my Google account, I would be stuck with the fox.
Somebody made it??
I did (don't be fooled by my user-agent, I use Debian Oldstable and not Ubuntu).
How did you sync your Chromium settings in Firefox?
Googling XMarks and you'll realize how easy it is (it's actually a plugin that is available even for the infamous IE and is quite useful).
Hey eliotime3000! If I know XMark, but it is not what I had in mind, I have become very comfortable with the Google sync tool, although ... well, it was a long time ago that I tested it, maybe now it is different, I will take a look at it. Thanks man !!
I agree with you ... in the end the repository is there and you can use another browser or not.
Reading what it says OMG! Ubuntu, here they put a rather interesting exception:
Something tells me that they are going to put Firefox by default in Ubuntu 13.10.
Every time I see that a company claims the right to tell me which application to use by default, it reminds me of Microsoft and Mac. I think they want to control my mind. I think they want to put what they want into my eyes. I reaffirm my opinion that El Puto Dinero is the boss / And why don't we let the user decide which one they want during the installation?
For that and many other reasons, I love GNU / Linux and BSDs.
+1
For the next Ubuntu release, I will install it without a graphical interface. Then, I install the browser that I want to be by default (be it Firefox or another) and configure it (although doing it by console is usually much more tedious than in Debian, I recommend this procedure if you do not want Chromium to come by default).
Sometimes, there are things that do not deserve to be imitated, and one of them is to impose the browser knowing that you have the freedom to choose the one you want (my two favorite Linux and BSD distros are Debian GNU / Linux and OpenBSD for their security and versatility they have).
+2
I also prefer Firefox, I have used it for a long time and it has always seemed the best since it has everything I need and although it may be or was heavier than others, that was not reason enough for me to decide to change it. I also like his philosophy and either out of habit, comfort or both, for now I don't move from Firefox;).
I support my dear Firefox and hope it stays as the default program
I also support Firefox, even if the Windows GUI demonizes its interface, I will continue to use it for its confidentiality and comfort when working.
I stay with firefox, my whole life, since before when I used netscape and now with my firefox always!
It's Netscape reincarnated. Always remember that (Mozilla is a Netscape creation and practically, Netscape's legacy has beaten Microsoft).
I use Google Chrome, but I recognize Firefox got sooo much better over the last 18 months. The problem is… I left Firefox a while back because all the sluggish performance we knew all knew about, now I feel comfortable with Chrome, so it's laziness that may prevent me from going from Chrome back to Firefox. That on one hand, but Chrome's default GUI is so simple and beautiful that I wouldn't want to have to leave that, but if Firefox comes up with a rather simple GUI then I will jump ship.
Firefox Rules !!!!! Chrome still has some loopholes that don't convince me. It is also not 100% free.
My vote is with Firefox. Long live the free and open web!
Firefox to death!
Let's see, I think that more than once I've said here how badly I like Google, but I think Chrome was always thought by them to be part of something bigger, such as Chrome OS, from where I write right now. Firefox is now venturing into mobile OS, and that will give it a lot of experience, the same that Google has already gained. For my part, I will continue to use Firefox, I think it is the best browser for developers
"I think it goes without saying that the popularity of Chromium, apart from its app features, has risen thanks to the marketing behind Google Chrome."
That is detracting from the development of an incredible browser that earned its place on its own.
That argument is outrageous and I don't even dare to think how the people involved in the project could put themselves that so many brains and lines of code have contributed to make Chrome / Chromium an impressive browser.
"Much of your code will be used in Ubuntu Touch, as well as in web applications."
This is the real reason for the change, the rest is makeup and colored mirrors.
"Chromium is not the same as Chrome, nor does it include its functionalities, nor is it localized in the number of languages / languages that Firefox does."
Another fallacy: the Chromium packaged in Chakra INCLUDES all the extra features of Chrome that are only TWO (2):
1.PepperFlash
2. PDF reader included.
«2 years ago Chrome / Chromuim were much faster than Firefox but now everything has changed, Mozilla got the batteries, optimized its Gecko / SpiderMonkey / IonMonkey engines, made Firefox lighter. Firefox gets better every day. »
I agree (as with the rest of the statements).
It caught my attention how much Firefox has changed lately in versions 20 and 21, the new Australis interface is more beautiful than the Chrome interface with all its skins and especially the new Downloads button and the effect that it shows every time it is added One download, including that shows the time remaining for global downloads, is a MID-COURT GOAL.
I'm really surprised with the latest versions of Firefox, it's doing very well, almost the only thing that it would need to incorporate to overcome Chrome is a decent Omnibox -the addons that exist do not have even 1% of the usability that Chrome built-in brings .
If Firefox equals Chrome / Chromium in terms of performance and usability, I will seriously consider using it again after so many years because ultimately Chrome is neither more nor less than the workhorse of this company that we all liked and liked. that little by little we are discovering its less charismatic sides.
Note: the drawing with which you illustrate the note is tremendous, it made me suddenly fall into what Chrome and Google really are, a pity that in terms of functionality PatoPatoVa.com + Firefox did not come close to them: '- (
I use Chromium, whenever I install a new distribution the first thing I do is install Chromium. XD
Hold Firefox !!! I have used both and I always return to Firefox, it is heavy but chrome is much heavier, besides that the customization of Firefox makes me less complicated and a little more detailed…. XD
Between the fact that Mozilla does not care that Firefox works well on Linux (something understandable on the other hand with the market share that this system has), and that even Canonical does not give a damn either * being its default browser, almost better than go to Chromium the once.
* Two Ubuntu 13.04 Firefox bugs well known to Canonical and which they have no intention of fixing:
-Hardware acceleration enabled (in firefox) on systems with shitty drivers (ex. Nouveau) can make the cpu consumption 100% and the system go pedals, obviously. The solution is as simple for canonical as disabling hardware acceleration by default.
-Canonical has eliminated libgnome from Ubuntu, a library on which Firefox depends, this causes that in some systems every time I start Firefox it does so with the sign of this is embarrasing (of shame if that is the quality of ubuntu). This bug exists since 2011 without a definitive solution.
PS: Before saying "I don't have this problem" remember that if it works well for one it is not enough, if these bugs were in all users, then Ubuntu would be unpublicable.
I go with Firefox, will there be a page where one can vote or comment so that Ubuntu continues to come out with Firefox as determined? ...
56.59% Firefox
43.41% Chrome
People keep voting 😛
Thank you very much for explicitly detailing the differences between these two "powerful" browsers. "
My favorite browser for stability, speed and for the addons that I always use, is still Firefox. I hope the Canonical staff will not replace this browser, because it is so much better than the other browsers on the market.
I read carefully. And… I think the ending sums it up. I ... continue with Firefox, and not out of mania, because their philosophy and work is not small (I do not agree much), because also, crhome, protected by being a browser of the largest search engine in the world, is the reason for its use.
In Advertising this is called "Brand Umbrella", which protects any business because Google is known or "trusts" that brand. That in my vision, it is the least reliable that
I answer myself, because I pressed by mistake and the publication came out before finishing. (this is not firefox's fault huh!). Well, I wanted to end by saying that computers come with windows by default, that's what made this OS the largest in the world, nothing else. Well, it's pretty bad and annoying.
If that freedom that is proclaimed existed, we should be able to choose which operating system and which computer. But hey, my vote is for Firefox.
Chrome and others are just undercover agents to spy on us all. And at such a point comes this truth, that even the twitter network, I leave google for the Russian google ... (?), Just in case it is Yandex.com at the moment only in English, but it is expected in early 2014 in Spanish. And we'll see who gets Google. Thanks for your input. Greetings from Montevideo, Uruguay. =)
Firefox promotes privacy and proposes to install "DoNotTrackMe" to prevent certain companies from tracking what we do on the web.
Google is the opposite, its paradigm of «total awareness» is actually «we know everything and we use it commercially and we sell it to those who pay to know» (I even read about certain accusations that are in tune with what I had already been thinking on my behalf, agencies of the supposed US national "security", who must have realized that it costs less to pay to provide servers and be custodians of the information than to spend resources on hacking protected accounts).
I also vote for Firefox, but I'm sure the Ubuntu guys can't care less (a friend from the US who is very good at programming and networking gave them ideas 4-5 years ago and they answered arrogantly, enough for him, that he had made me know the Ubuntu distribution, I stopped using it).