The question that starts this post comes to mind, after Clem lefebvre I would reply to a comment that I left in the Cinnamon Blog.
The problem is this: Yesterday I tried to install Cinnamon on my work PC, where I have Debian Testing + Xfce. Using the repository LMDE I was about to install this Shell, as it had done on other occasions, however the attempt failed due to a dependency. Turns out that Cinnamon need the package libcogl5 (> = 1.7.4), but said package is not in the repositories of Debian.
I tried to install the version that is in the repositories of Ubuntu Oneiric, but it also gave me an error when I couldn't overwrite a file on my system. To top it all, the package that is available in Debian, is in the repositories of Sid only for architecture armhf.
Well, I go and discuss the situation with Clem and this was his response:
Well that's a Debian problem I think. If they only ever provide the latest libcogl and keep changing its name, you should expect Cinnamon and Shell to break continuously. Eventually we'll move towards this version, but in the long run Debian will need to address that problem.
What has been something like this:
Well that's a Debian problem I think. If they just offer the latest libcogl and keep changing their name, you should expect Cinnamon and Shell to continually break. Over time we will move towards this version, but in the long run Debian will have to address that problem.
You know He's actually partly right, but I'm already a bit sick of the same thing always happening: Unity, Elementary OS, Cinnamon, all focused on Ubuntu and the others who give them a sack. But there is still something I don't understand How does it work Cinnamon en Linux Mint 13, if the package libcogl5 it is also not found in the repositories of Precise? I will have to ask again Clem.
What is clear to me is that LMDE, a distribution that to me (already many) I was excited since it was just an idea, I should die if they are not going to dedicate it to the version of Linux Mint with Debian, the time it takes. I hope and SolusOS fill the gap I'm sure will leave LMDE on your users.
It's really a shame, because apart from Xfce, Cinnamon it is the only Shell de Desktop Environment that really catches my attention.
So as I told a friend: "At last I saw the light, and I entered KDE." It seems that in Gnome everything is a problem, and not only in Ubuntu, sometimes in Debian many mistakes have happened to me. Anyway, I hope the Mint folks keep working on Cinnamon.
AMEN!!!!
+ 1000 !!!!
Yes, KDE is a really good environment (:
I don't understand how debian's problem can be if the software (cinnamon) is yours. If you decide to carry something you will have to follow its development and adapt it to the distribution, if not what is the point of it? I don't like Cinnamon anyway ...
What I understood is, that the problem of Debian is to rename the package or use the latest version of the package, and that is not their problem (Linux Mint). But I repeat, if this package is not in the Precise repositories, which is the basis of Linux Mint 13, then how does it work? 😕
But I understand that if Debian changes the name and the version and you design software for Debian, their thing is that you adapt the software to that circumstance, not that you say it is Debian's fault and stay so calm. Come on, it's my opinion.
In fact, I wrote to Clem again and indeed, he realized that the package that Cinnamon needs is no longer in Ubuntu either. So let's see what happens with all this.
I don't know whose fault it is. But what I do know is that this reminds me quite of a certain Unity, which has not been ported to any other distribution successfully.
That said, it seems that the Debian-based version of Linux Mint is increasingly being shelved. And in my opinion I think the linux mint team has to decide between improving the LMDE support or just killing it, because these projects cannot be left halfway.
In a few years I will boast that I have always been right, and that LinuxMint is neither better nor worse than Canonical, but just as bastards ¬_¬
For me Linux Mint is like Guardiola, and Ubuntu like Mourinho. I prefer Mourinho.
This is how they speak, there are already two of us.
Greetings.
The problem is who has idealized them, I have had them on their site for a long time .. this should not surprise @elav because I have been talking about the problem with LMDE for a long time ... I feel happy with Debian 🙂
Of course I am not surprised. I stopped using LMDE a long time ago to use "pure" Debian, as I realized that LMDE would not get the attention it carries.
Elav, totally agree with your comment on LMDE, which looks like an abandoned project. I used to use it, but now I'm with SolusOs. Clem seems obsessed with continuing to "improve Ubuntu with Mint", luckily Ikey Doherty continues the SolusOS project, which gives you a "classic" Linux experience, with good aesthetics and updated applications.
Very interesting the subject ...
Cinnamon also walks super well in Fedora.
What I think is that they don't want to support Debian because it doesn't really make sense that it doesn't work on Debian but on UBuntu it does (¬_¬) Or is Ubuntu different from Debian?
For me it is that Mr. Clem does not want to know anything about Debian but to make up Ubuntu more.
From what I see, both in Debian and Ubuntu the one that is present is libcogl9, which would correspond to version 1.10 of libcogl, that is, it complies with what is requested in the libcoglX dependencies (> = 1.7.4).
Maybe it's me who see it very easy, but it would be a matter of putting as dependencies:
libcogl5 (> = 1.7.4)
Place:
libcogl5 (> = 1.7.4) | libcogl9 (> = 1.7.4)
And little else, it is not that the package is not, but that the name does not correspond to the one currently being used.
He meant, "instead of putting" and not "question of putting"
Exact. Anyway, since Clem noticed that problem, I suppose they will correct the error shortly.
Let's see what the LinuxMint page says:
http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
FAQ about LMDE
1. Is LMDE compatible with Ubuntu-based Linux Mint editions?
No, it is not. LMDE is compatible with Debian, which isn't compatible with Ubuntu.
As you can see, the compatibility is downwards. If they notice it from the start. They design for Ubuntu and thus make it compatible with Mint and things that descend from Ubuntu, but not upwards.
It seems to me that it is very clear.
Remember that Ubuntu takes its packages from Debian, therefore, what is included or excluded from Debian affects them, unless it is their own package or they decide to keep it. But it is not the case, libcogl5 is not in Precise ...
If you want to install Cinnamon on debian testing it is to install from an old test image from 6 months ago where it was almost the same as the LMDE packages, add the LMDE repositories and install Cinnamon. Then do safe-upgrade as much as possible so that it is not uninstalled just because of "Dependency errors"
What a lack of support from Linux Mint ¬¬
Everyone does what they can, I don't think the linux mint or elementaryOS team has so many resources, not all projects are kde. I like them as projects, and it would be nice to be able to install pantheon shell or cinamon in any distro, but at the moment it is not possible and if the developers prefer to focus on other things instead of portability, I am going to criticize it because to say I have never really done anything for them, or donated or anything like that, as if they owed me something.
I don't know, I think there are many projects that are born and become a sensation for a short time, but then they fall into oblivion (Flower of a few days). That is why I prefer projects with more time and that do not depend on being the novelty.