Some of the comments that I have read in DesdeLinux regarding the future of Cinnamon. Coincidentally this morning I wrote an entry on my personal blog talking about my opinion about it. I leave them below:
On the Internet we look like old gossips. We take advantage of anything to broadcast sensational news based on personal opinions and predictions. I confess that many times I have fallen into that same network, so I am also guilty.
But whenever I issue a personal criterion, I try to document myself about it so as not to "speak for the sake of talking", and that is what many do not. The thing is that now for the simple fact of Cinnamon it ceases to exist in two distributions that used it by default, and many are already talking about an announced death. WTF?
It seems that we forget a very important detail, and that is Cinnamon was created for a specific distribution (Linux Mint) and I doubt very, very much, that Clem lefevbre let this die Shell for GNOME.
Why? Well for the simple fact that Cinnamon was created with one goal: to bring GNOME 3.X users a similar experience to GNOME 2.X, and I highly doubt that that goal will change in the long term.
Cinnamon follow at your own pace, to the rhythm of Linux MintI'm 100% sure of that.
As I well read in a comment: Cinnamon that Linux Mint which Unity a Ubuntu. A desk tailor-made to meet the needs of a certain group of users.
As I commented to MetalByte in a comment: The difference between Unity y Cinnamon is that the first one is difficult to use in other distributions due to a question of libraries and their dependencies. However Cinnamon it cannot be used only by those who adopt GNOME 3.8, at least until Cinnamon make it compatible with that version.
Strongly agree.
By the way, Cinnamon is currently my desktop and it seems perfect to me.
That confusion arose from a misinterpretation some made of my last article. What I said was that Cinnamon COULD come to an end OUTSIDE of Linux Mint.
That is, the problem with everything is that it is not compatible with GNOME 3.8 and when that update is installed it will break, but that will not happen in Linux Mint because there is a long time before GNOME 3.8 arrives and by the time it does they will be compatible and there will be no problem. The risk it is only on the other distros that update faster than Mint and that will receive GNOME 3.8 before Cinnamon is compatible with it; that is where the possibility exists (which is still just a possibility) that it would disappear because its installation and maintenance will become almost impossible.
Do you know what happens? That it is much easier to take the work done otherwise. If Manjaro or Cinnarch had really interested in Cinnamon, they would have developed the necessary patches until Clem released a new version or better yet, they would collaborate with the development of Cinnamon.
I'm not telling you that you're not right, but considering that they are very small teams, that work in their free time and receive hardly any donations, I would not dare to demand more from them than they were already doing. Probably the workload that would imply the development of the patches was more than what they planned for something that after all they did only as simple Hobbie.
Cinnamon was born for Linux Mint not to satisfy any distribution, the last word on the development or death (which I doubt very much) of this one, has Mr. Lefevbre.
Exact..
The problem with Cinnamon is that it was born for ubuntu, translated, if ubuntu doesn't use gnome 3.8, neither does cinnamon, so any distro that updates to 3.8 will have problems.
Exact +1000
Clem created Cinnamon thinking about his beloved Linux Mint and incidentally to help Ubuntu users who were disillusioned with the new Gnome-Shell, Clem's mistake was precisely that the project was too dependent on Gnome in which many libraries were taken and Tools like Mutter and Nautilius and the famous Mint Gnome Shell extensions tried to make Cinnamon independent by creating their own libraries and some tools but the damage was done, when updating Gnome they broke the API and Cinnamon was left out.
pandev92, Fedora 19 (as far as you can test right now) is going great with Gnome 3.8.
In Ubuntu Gnome, by putting the Gnome PPA and installing some things that are already stable, it also works great.
I don't know what you mean any distro will have problems. FORKS desktops yes, distros with pure Gnome I don't think.
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Now do you understand why Cinnamon is not an independent project?
Totally agree!.
To paraphrase a "fearsome re-espionage operative": Aha, the old trick of working with Lefevbre.
Cinnamon does not take the work of GNOME, rather it uses it as a Platform. Unity does the same, as does BE: SHELL for KDE, for another example.
What I say may sound contradictory or ambiguous, but there is a difference.
Watch out for the klyde news. It's the news in the KDE world if you keep going.
http://ospherica.es/comienza-el-desarrollo-de-una-version-ligera-y-modular-de-kde
Those problems are suffered by those who opt for certain types of "distros", which are not bad, but they are what they are, too dependent. I would say, and allow me the expression, "with little personality."
One touch around here, and a new "distro" ... Well, in the end what happens happens, they go back because they don't get the first one ...
Greetings.
Totally agree. I don't see any sense in the derivatives of archlinux pretending to create an arch out of the box when its essence is totally the opposite.
My opinion on Cinammon is very clear I neither believe nor want it to disappear. After the disappearance of Gnome 2 I gave Gnome 3 and its shells a chance. I just wasn't able to adapt. As I was never a big fan of KDE I spent a season with XFCE, until I chipped and installed chakra where KDE looked like never before. Until they removed its 32-bit version, then I did not find any distro where I liked KDE so much and it occurred to me to give Cinamon a try with which I felt comfortable with its minimalist use. It is true that he still has a way to go because he still looks green but I wish the best for a project that can save Gnome's life. By the way, to finish, I've been with Netrunner for a long time now, which has pleasantly surprised me, a great option for those looking for a pro KDE distro.
«… A project that can save the life of Gnome. Hahahahahaaaa Are you kidding me? hahahahaaaaa.
THE only joke is Gnome Shell with which they do not stop losing public, Unity is not curdling either so the Gnome options drop points.
I don't see it that way, Unity isn't so horrible, and Gnome-Shell, which I like better, isn't either. Neither of them is designed to work in depth on computers, in my opinion, but more for everyday common use. But from there to that Gnome needs a life preserver, it seems to me half extreme.
With the hatred that GNOME is carrying and if Cinnamon manages to become the default desktop for Fedora, it would not surprise me that in a few years it would become more popular than the official project. So I would say it's no joke.
Okay, I was talking about Gnome as an environment, not the Shell.
I used it for a while in Mint (I stopped using it because it consumed a lot of resources) and I find the guy above right, Cinnamon is a very good desktop environment, it is minimalist, they respected the desktop metaphor (not like the gnome he wanted reinventing it but -in my opinion- it didn't work for them) and in my particular case as it came from Windows 7 (aero style) I really liked the environment since it seemed familiar to the win7 style
Hey @gato what is the image you use from Avatar?
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Totally agree
As soon as Debian Squeeze comes out, I'll add MATE to it because with GNOME 3 it's too minimalist for me and I've gotten too used to GNOME 2 (I might adapt to KDE due to the similarity that the Plasma edition has to the Windows XP desktop ).
The XFCE is quite interesting, above all, due to its combination of Classic Windows and GNOME 2.
Hopefully Debian will adopt MATE within its repos so that it doesn't have to rely entirely on GNOME 2.
You mean Wheezy because Squeeze has been out since February 2011, you might also mean that you will install Mate the day it arrives in Jessie (the future testing branch) because Debian is not going to include it in the Wheezy repositories (the already "almost" stable branch) at such heights. To install Mate on Wheezy at any time you must use one of the repositories offered on the Mate-Desktop wiki and there you follow their instructions.
In Squeeze I am comfortable and I could stay as long as necessary since I have everything I need, I do not bring great trouble and if necessary I would continue with it until April or May 2014 when the support ends. I'll give Wheezy a try mostly out of curiosity.
Puff if you think that about Cinnamon what will they say about my dear Pantheon Shell that only works with Ubuntu base 🙁
I agree with this vision of Cinnamon, saying that he is going to die is as much as saying that Unity will. They came out with an exclusive reason for a distro, and if others want to use it, there it is, but they must adapt to the release periods.
I think that a Shell destined for a specific distro and that contains many users using it will not die, therefore the demand to make the user experience easier is greater.
Good luck Cinnamon ..
Regards!
I personally think that cinnamon is an excellent bet for a different desktop. I've used it in fedora and it really is very good but gnome is getting the hang of it and is taking several users and the truth is that gnome is also an interesting bet.
The truth when I tried it in Manjaro I said that shit now with LMDE has me in love so in my opinion if you want to use cinnamon nothing better than in linux mint.
CInnamon is a good alternative for many users, while unity is the grossest desktop and consumes too many resources.
More has been lost in the war, one less minority shell ...