Greetings to all. This is the first post I send on this blog, in which I will discuss how you can convince a Microsoft Windows user (o Windowser) to stop using the Redmond company system to use a GNU / Linux distro, in addition to being able to explain the qualities about the Microsoft system.
To begin with, we must know that the Windows user must like the practicality when doing their jobs and that the tools are kept in the same order, even when installing Windows.
Well, let's start with some tips to convince a windowser in linuxero:
- Show that Windows viruses are harmless on GNU / Linux: Run a Live CD of any GNU / Linux distro and connect a USB drive with a virus, then explain which files are causing the viruses, delete it, restart in Windows mode and pass the antivirus to confirm that there is nothing bad. Remember to do this in front of the Windows user to convince them.
- Use a distro that is stable enough and that the windowser can become familiar with its environment: Do not try to use a distro that is almost stable like Ubuntu, since that makes the Windows user with his unfounded prejudices for all that time against that operating system make him confirm his suspicions, nor try to force him to use distros like Slackware or Arch, since the Windows user is still rooted in graphical interfaces and the least they want to think about at the moment is remembering commands. Preferably, use a distro like Mint with XFCE or Debian but with the graphical installer + (its installer may be long but it is understandable enough that you can install it without dying in the attempt, although you may need a little help in regarding manual formatting and partitioning). *
- Prove that the software exists for your needs: A Windows user usually uses the operating system to surf the Internet and make his documents for any type of subjects that are assigned if he is a student, or do his spreadsheets if he is an office person. If so, it can show you that Google Chrome / Mozilla Firefox / Opera is available for Linux and that the LibreOffice office suite can work with MS Office files; in case you are a programmer who uses Eclipse and / or programs in native C ++, teach him to apply the use of that programming language to the recommended distro and give him an example of how this type of programming can be useful for his needs **.
As you will see, there are various types of Windows users and various ways to convince you, so it could be that a graphic designer ends up liking GIMP with Inkscape, or rejoices in fast and fluid navigation that you didn't feel in Windows. Anyway, it is a matter of knowing how to convince him on the free software side and not having to depend on the Redmond operating system.
NA:
- *: If the Windows user knows how to install Windows XP / Vista / 7/8, they will realize that the specification of the Linux partition is just an additional step, in addition that in many cases they can use percentages so that they do not have to depend on exact calculations.
- **: If the Windows user barely knows how to program in Visual Basic (be it 6 or .NET), we recommend that you use programming applications that are in Basic in order to continue with C ++.
- +: The average Windows user looks for an interface that gives them a functionality similar to that of Windows and that adds practicality when managing applications and that does not collapse due to the human factor or constant use (good cases are Ubuntu and Mint ).
And finally, I wish you all the best in this "conversion" so that the community of Linux users can grow.
I like linux a lot, I keep a distro installed on my pc but the applications I use are unfortunately only for windows and in linux I did not find the same features.
No offense, do you know how to use THE TOOL or SOFTWARE?
That is, who knows Graphic Design, knows about Vectors NOT about Corel DRAW, if they put Xara, Corel InkScape, etcc. You can use the Software because the TOOLS Exist.
Someone who knows how to use a Word Processor, knows that it is an indentation, a leading, a heading, etc ... And he will do it with MS Office, Libre Office Abirword, etc.
Finally, of course, Windows and Linux applications do not have the same characteristics, I prefer Linux applications, for the most part, they are more powerful, but at least they offer me the same as proprietary applications.
Greetings.
You hit the point, Guillermo. I follow your words.
Let's see, your idea is correct but the way you present it is not ...
First of all, know how to use the tool or the software? I, uh ... well ... Isn't the software the tool? I think you meant "knowing how to use a tool or knowing the concept" ... someone who knows how to use layers above and uses them only as he learned in the Photoshop tutorial is not the same as someone who knows what a layer is, how it works or how it overlaps and what you look for and experience both in Gimp, PS or Krita ...
The point is that if you master the concept and how things should be done, the tool is just that, a tool. If you know how to drive a nail, you will do it even with the stones, but when you have the hammer in your hand you will do it faster.
«... I did not find the same characteristics.»
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprinting_(psychology)#Baby_duck_syndrome
of course, champion
that is removed using it in schools
I want to go totally to linux but unfortunately I am a gamer so most of the game are in windwos 🙁
PS: I'm not a console
Well, nobody is forced to completely and forever get rid of their Winbugs. If you use it as a "game console", you can always keep a partition with Windows in case, like most commercial games, you need it. For everything else, Linux.
And we already have that no one who comes from Windows is "console", do not worry, distributions such as OpenSUSE, Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Kubuntu and co, Mageia or Sabayon reduce the use of the console practically to a minimum. Come on, for at least 98% of the time you will not even need to open it, yes, I insist that the console does not bite and that when you already control the use of Linux there are things that you can prefer to do by console simply for a matter of practicality, because there are things that are done faster by console than through the graphical interface, but this practice, as I said, you will get over time.
I share your opinion, because I started in the world of Linux with Mandrake 9, but I left because when unpacking it was slower than Internet Explorer 8; then I continued with Debian Stable and so far I am faithful to that distro; with Ubuntu I install it with its installer in text mode (because Ubiquiti does not install if you are not connected to the internet).
There are also things like games and professional applications like Adobe Creative Suite (I admit that I am a loyal fan of that suite, but for video games I use Steam), but the problem is that there is not enough interest to be able to really compete against the software proprietary (although there are exceptions like Jahshaka or Blender that are true wonders of free software).
In short, practice makes perfect.
If you are a "gamer", you will know who "Valve" are, you will recognize Half Life, Counter Strike, Left 4 Dead, etc because they are releasing their games for linux this year and many others from their online store compatible with Linux "steam".
http://store.steampowered.com/
You're welcome 🙂
Mint collapses due to the human factor?
What are the characteristics of your computer? I had to restart KDE (only the environment) every 3 days so that the computer could run with ease
Talking about Debian almost stable (wheezy), because nothing is missing to make it stable
What are the characteristics of your computer?
1.6 Gh 2Gb of RAM
core 2 extreme qx9775 (something old), 8 gigs of ram (ddr2 the same as something old and slow), HDD 500 GB 7200 rpm (that is something fast), but so you can see that this machine already has since 2008, with cinnamon It hasn't crashed at all, and I use it moderately (I use monodevelop for at least 4 hrs a day) and I'm always downloading something.
although it also counts that I restart cinnamon every so often just for the sake of it without being necessary.
No wonder, both kde and gnome are VERY VERY heavy environments, I personally like window managers like openbox more, there are people who are not attracted to WM, simply because they do not want to break their heads configuring a desktop as openbox, and not graphically with obconf, but by editing xml by hand. The question is that I have an ibook g4 powerpc at 1.2ghz, 30 gb of hard disk and 256 mb of ram with the well optimized system (I am an enthusiastic fan of optimization, without any doubt), and I tell you that those 3 days are nothing for my pc, except because the battery charger could heat up an egg xD, although well, you can always connect it, wait a while for it to load, and unplug it for several hours ... The question is that it seems incredible to me that with 2gb ram you have to restart your desktop, it just doesn't fit in my head as an optimization freak.
Greetings!
The author clearly says that Ubuntu and Mint are examples of distros that don't crash from the human factor or heavy use. And to show your case;).
One of the best options that you can tell a user is: You have paid $ XXXX, why pay more for an update of your OS or if your computer is old you have to run out of updates because it is old while in Linux everything ( or almost everything) is free, there is no such thing as "your computer is too old to support this OS" etc etc etc
always saying that people are thinking hahaha
Or better to say: you pay at least once a year to have it formatted and put your programs without a license (alias pirate) and you spend on RAM expansions
And if you do not do this then your PC runs worse than a turtle or you must bother yourself to do the formatting risking that in one of those you lose your information
And another thing that many do not know is that on computers with pre-installed Windows they are already being charged for this system, they should know this too
Hahahahahaha, good that guy.
Those of us who also use win, we ask those who do not justify and disapprove of other OS, other than free software or the one they use, how much time do you spend installing your OS? Example: Arch, Gentoo, Slackware.
Sorry, but why the **** trying to convince people to use something? They seem religious or cult.
arch installs in half an hour.
It lasts on your machine with Ati proprietary drivers ...
No Linux user should buy things from amd, buy something with nvidia or intel, and everything is ok.
Uta we already started with sectarianism within sectarianism, things that life brings.
@ pandev92
So you tell me that linux is only good with certain machines? Haha Win doesn't discriminate hardware, in some cases.
A pandev ... stupid black you install Arch in 30 minutes because you know how, you have experience, you're going to get like Courage xDDD you know your argument is good, but very bad compared to Arch.
Kik1n, old Linux does not discriminate hardwares, Linux in fact adopts a thousand times more things than Windows or Mac Why are there old machines that can live better with Linux and not with Win8? Come on I challenge you to put W8 on your old Pentium 4 xD ... if you have some notion of what you are talking about, you know well that AMD drivers (not all AMD, processors have no problems) for graphics are poorly developed and neglected , besides being closed, so how do you expect them to work well on Linux? Damn, we can not blame the system when the driver is the one that fucks, but look at Intel as it does its drivers: open and fully functional in all architectures.
Cocolio ... I already left you down what I think.
nano, I did not know why the put ... of arch had changed the method, it took half an hour because on the internet there is a guide in Spanish, in a certain blog called write it, which I followed to the letter and voila xD, it's blown. ahahahaah
Linux does not discriminate certain hardware, it is certain hardware that discriminates Linux.
Hahaha pandev seriously? do not make me laugh, and what are your bugs then! hahahaha, I think the only bug here is you, I have Windows 8 on an HP DV6000 which is a 2 C2.1D, 4 NVidia video RAM 512 and this luxury!
by the way nano, don't ever call me black in your fucking life xddd, it's just advice.
Let a noob come and tell me that I have been using windows since disgusting 95 that the bug is me xDDD ..., bug 1: you update the bios (asus) and the system no longer starts, asking you to restore it and then it is not restored. ( TOTAAAAAAL BSOD, in windows 7 I had never seen a BSOD).
bug 2: the flash is less fluid than in windows 7
bug 3: the UI, is the biggest bug that exists, it mixes two interfaces that do not connect with each other, putting nextstep-style flat colors on the desktop, where all the applications look ugly and horrible, and a modern ui where there is no decent app, except the explorer and… and and nothing.
bug 4: every so often my whole pc crashes, forcing me to restart it completely without anything to do.
Jua juaaaaaaaaa, you tell me noob? a child who uses Win 95 since childhood as a great thing? Juaaa do not make me laugh, I use from DOS and Windows 3, do not give me bullshit, in any case the newbie is you who can not solve a couple of crap like that hahahahaha, poor guy, I say poor black you are embarrassed.
Uyyy the European white calafica of troll when you are worse black !!! and if you don't know what to disable or how to do it, that makes you more of a n00b piece of subanimal !!! You really give both pain and embarrassment hahahaha, poor devil, keep creating bile while I keep laughing at your infamous existence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_3TR_T-ZYY
That you keep sucking her, indiesito.
In fact installing Arch is not difficult, the difficulty is maintaining it.
To install win 8 on such an old machine, I better install win xp, in the same way, I challenge you to install linux with kde 4.xx.xx on an old machine. It can be done but it will be slow. Also win8 is very light. It weighs less than Win7.
For this reason, I see that there are linux Distros that close to proprietary software, which ati drivers are somewhat heavy to maintain.
I don't see a point in this discussion where I just get sidelined.
This linux, this win and others so, use the system you want, but do not walk around as preachers, trying to force other people.
My experience with windows 8 is that it is lighter only at startup but then it becomes slow, and on top of it it has many more bugs than windows 7, I do not recommend it to anyone, until they release sp1.
And that I have an i5 3570k with a nvidia gt660 and 4 gb of ram.
If it slows you down, try to deactivate the things that auto-execute at startup, right? black n00b !!!!
ahh yes, we enter disqualification? If you want I can also come in disgusting Indian
What do you want me to deactivate huh? what you have to deactivate is all the shit of windows 8, that nobody wants it. windows vista 2, indiesito.
What happens is that nobody wants you, and I am not indiesite hahahaha fixed I have much whiter skin than your poor miserable resentful, then learn to use a computer and we just talked damn newborn.
You are from South America, you will continue to be a backward little Indian (not to be offended by others, I neither believe it nor think it, only that you have to say something to this stupid idiot).
@cocolio Where do you come from? From FayerWayer or from what other blog that is a breeding ground for trolls?
When I was taught computing I was about 7 or 8 years old and they were still using Windows 95 / 98SE, but I realized that over time the proprietary software was leaving the end user aside and I just realized that there were alternatives like GNU / Linux and BSD (although OSX is the worst example of a BSD distro, there are good ones like OpenBSD which is the best made BSD distro that has even surpassed Debian in stability) that have better possibilities and greater accessibility legally as well as the outdated hardware compatibility.
If you are going to start using Linux with Arch or Slackware without knowing exactly what you are doing, obviously you are going to be disappointed because those distros are for veteran users. If you are going to use Ubuntu, ZorinOS (distro for Windows 7 users well made), Fedora or Mint, it may be that your experience is better and if you prefer something more solid, you continue with Debian, CentOS and / or OpenSUSE, and finally finish with the distros I mentioned in the beginning.
@ pandev92 I have nothing against Arch, but at least it has simplified the commands so that the 100% manual installation is much easier than doing it with slackware without post-format wizard or Debian in text mode expert installer.
let's go by part
1st - Archlinux with a bit of English on your side on its wiki has the best known installation guide for an operating system, I don't know if it takes 30 minutes or two days, I didn't time when I install it, now if it's the operating system / Linux distribution that has been installed on my laptop for the longest time, windows 7, windows 8, osx, debian, …… .. and a lot more went through it and all were discarded due to different problems, which deteriorates and is slow, such as windows , that the updates arrive six in six months, Ubuntu, which breaks and you do not know why, all except Arch since you mount it from scratch yourself and when something fails you know where it is or you have already learned to install it so much that You even find it easy to compile a linux kernel.
2º- A Dell XPS laptop from a year and a half ago cannot carry windows 8 and that is a core i7 and with 3gb nvidia graphics because windows requires special things from the bios that the dell ones are not able to implement without problems
3rd- It's my feeling or Linux goes faster, whatever you throw at it and with a bit of enthusiasm you even put the latest generation windows games to work, CAD / CAM tools of the most advanced and if you get rid of a little of the Compulsive buying genes you can find applications that teach the most expensive to make programs, look for photivo to see how you can eat lightroom or aperture that are the best of the best in the world of photographic development.
4th-A by the way, if arch seems difficult to you, you have manjaro linux, a farm that is easy to install and is like an old slogan that reads "linux for human begins"
5º- After overcoming the step from init to sytemd and other almost catastrophic updates I think I can say that Arch is not difficult, it is antiwindowers, so when you enter the community forums they are all threads of people who have problems and want to learn how to solve them, do not listen to a bunch of inept people tell you to go back to windows, install ubuntu or I know, to pull a bridge for trying to install a kde 4 on a 2000 pentium, they only tell you how to do it or where to throw but not destitute like those that are being heard in this blog entry in which someone proposes their ideas so that people can move on to something, I think, better
6º- if you want someone to switch to Linux, start with their mobile, continue to teach them what you use if it does not give problems and end by leaving them a live from a stable distro and tell them that you help them for whatever it is, but don't do it , as the saying goes "don't give a man to eat because he will eat today, better teach him to fish and eat every day"
Yes of course, plus two if yes, but if you are not over 15 years old !!! go and lie down.
oO Arch installation is much faster.
Completely agree!!! that &% / &% is that of "evangelizing" a large part if not all Linux programs run on Windows, including their beloved Photoshop imitation such as GIMP or Libre Office that they state so much here, this is already fanaticism and the most infamous, one uses what he wants and that's it, and if there is something I hate about Linux is that if you update it will go to hell, it starts to work badly, I had it installed but I am sick of the system, now I only use it on my NAS (which is still wrong since a Western Digital update) and on my router that has a Linux-based firmware, then I don't want it at all.
Are you sure what you say? .. I never and I repeat never have problems with updates unless I suspend them at critical points.
GIMP is not a copy of Photoshop… in fact with a good number of brushes and filters that are freely available and freely available it is just as powerful as Photoshop.
And well it all comes down to ... do you pay for all the proprietary paid software you use? ... I don't pay, but I do support the community in various ways and one of those is evangelization ... it's not GNU / Linux, it's by and for the advancement of free and open source software that I evangelize
Starting with you Cocolio.
What I do not understand about people like you, who criticize the efforts of others to talk about something different ... if it bothers you so much that they try to make someone change or try something different, what the hell are you doing here? Starting there.
"Our beloved copy of Photoshop" ... I shit on you and all those who continue with the fucking plan of calling any program that is not the owner that everyone uses a "copy", dude, damn, have some discretion and understand that not necessarily that it is an image editing program makes it a "copy" of the other, in fact it is an error for the community to call it an "alternative" or "substitute" when in fact it is a program that basically does the same thing: edit images.
With LibreOffice, I am not going to fight it because the suite defends itself by calmly competing with MS Office and demonstrates with total tranquility that it has nothing to envy its competition.
"It's already fanaticism and the most infamous" ... I go back to the first thing. What the hell are you doing here then? If we only exist here infamous fans, what the hell, I repeat, are you doing here? That is what touches the balls of people, people like you in fact, who do not know how to express themselves and try to criticize the criticism of others and fall into a damn vicious circle ... in the long run it is simply about freedom; just as I am free to tell whoever wants to "use Linux", that being is free to say "no" to me.
I mean, to all these that you are incompetent who does not make it work (shit I do not know as if with two clicks I have everything going) does not mean that it is bad ... Don't you want to see it? Perfect male don't see it! But don't be so arrogant as to come to criticize the initiatives of others and use such fomes and basic arguments.
Just to finish, yes, you are free to comment what you want on this blog, but me too, and calm down, rudeness is well allowed, I assure you that we are not going to remove a comment from you.
Well, if it's true, you can comment on what you want, and apparently I gave you where it hurts the most, right? hahahaha come on, your beloved Linux is not the best in the world, neither is Windows or OS X, and if I come here that's why IT GIVES ME THE FUCK WINS, I'm interested in the articles they write, but it seems too idiotic to come and say how to return linuxero to a window shop, that is, how does one affect what one does with his life and the things he uses? There is a big difference between SUGGESTING and trying to make a change, that's why it seems to me that the great majority of people are sick and that is painful, as you are too excited hahahahaha, I swear you made me laugh.
Thanks for the comment. Sometimes there are individuals who really show patience with their "bigotry."
Frankly it is annoying that fanboys come to put tares in a point of view that is not necessarily personal.
@Cocolio, one has the right to want to convince people to use something, according to your mentality, then politicians could not campaign, because who are they to convince others !!!! OHHH MYYY GOOOD.
By the way nano, xd you've left it on the ground ahahahaa
Elitotime3000 do not talk about fanaticism, because this bullshit to evangelize is the worst !!! the fans are the worst, like this article, the good thing would have been if it had a title like: Why do I use Linux and why I always recommend it compared to other operating systems, that is to start much more decent than saying windowser, yes that It's "looser" please !!!! and nano…. you are a hopeless little boy, the best thing is to leave you spitting all your childish verbiage until you get tired because you do not have a valid argument, much less as an adult.
And what limitation does LibreOffice have? Limitations has Office, which until recently did not support free format documents, you had to save in proprietary formats. GIMP does not "mimic" some Adobe product like Photoshop, it has never tried to. That some people advertise it as the "alternative" to such software is another matter.
If you update GNU / Linux will it go to hell? That's one of the weirdest things I've ever heard, unless you're using some experimental branch of some distribution, and I haven't seen the first case where there isn't a warning saying you have to know what you're doing before installing that one. branch.
Of course you can use whatever you want. If you want to use Microsoft products perfect. As for me I prefer to skip them, there are some functions that I prefer not to have on my pc.
[http://www.fsf.org/windows8]
[http://log.nadim.cc/?p=78]
[http://thehackernews.com/2012/10/windows-8-security-flaw-logon-passwords.html]
[http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2400985,00.asp]
For my part, if I could have a completely free system, I would. But I have to use some binary blobs that come with the kernel, my BIOS is proprietary, sometimes I have to use proprietary firmware ...
Greetings. You can also induce the use of linux by teaching Mageia is very easy to use for someone who comes from the dark side 🙂 ...
I think that the distro is secondary, the main thing is the interface, for example:
KDE or Cinnamon are good interfaces for those who come winbug.
And if I am using it but with 2 antivirus AVG and Clamwin, yes the same as Linux but for windows. XD
Two antivirus at the same time? Both in real time? And if so, does it not affect the performance of the team?
What an exaggeration two antivirus, the problem is not so simple to understand, the guide reminds me of the evangelism guide on how to convert atheists, clearly it only works for some xd
Interesting in fact I am learning to program in java with eclipse from debian testing, it's great.
But I still depend on windows for the University and the FIFA 12 originally pirated XD.
That is the bad. In study centers (Universities, technical institutes, etc); in all careers related to computing and computing; teachers generally always teach based on proprietary tools.
They teach you to program in .Net, to use MsSQL or Oracle, to use Photoshop or DreamWeaver (or whatever you write), AutoCAD and the like.
I have a friend who is still in the last cycles of his career. It happened to Linux, he was using it for a while; but he turned to Windows because the software he uses in his courses is proprietary to Windows.
Companies like Microsoft give away licenses for students. They know well that when they come out on the job market, they will want and use and will propose to use that software they "know how to use."
I think the real change would come from the study centers, from the initial school.
On the other hand, when you start a person on Linux who knows little or nothing about computing; this one comes without the paradigms or biases of Win2. Introducing you to the Linux world is much more bearable and easy.
Of course, Richard Matthew Stallman has repeated from exhaustion that Linux learning in schools expands because of the possibilities it brings (something that not even @cocolio has bothered to even enter the official GNU project site).
WINE or VirtualBox doesn't work for you?
That is a very serious error ... it is not due simply because in addition to not really providing everything that is needed in performance, normally WINE fills your system with garbage and VB the truth is that it can crash the machine if you give it too many resources .
Still with the tale of viruses? Please F5 that this topic is very trite, in terms of software, that in Linux you will find the same software with the same quality as in Windows is FALSE.
Of course it is false, GNU / Linux software is much better than Windows.
Unfortunately we lack good sound and video editing programs, sound we lack a pro logic or any utility ..., because using audacity: / ..., for radio using idjc is a joke compared to sam or virtual dj ..., all with time.
It depends on how you look at it, because Audacity with a good use of plugins the audio editing is great. Too bad there isn't a real interest in making this kind of DJ software.
Ardor ... Mixxx look for those two and then talk, gentlemen xD
I want to see you use Sam Broadcaster to send all the audio and separate Skype calls from a non-compatible sound card to 6 servers at the same time without the machine or the plugin that ridiculous you have to create virtual audio connections. That you haven't learned how to use IDJC with JACK yet has nothing to do with it, nor does it mean that Sam is "better." NOT in half a million years and a half.
that I have not learned? I just can't connect to jack with skype to make a simple radio show, all of a sudden that crap loses all connections. Also, at least that sam could not listen to myself while I pass the music, but with idjc and jack I have not yet achieved it or following all the tutorials that are on the web, by the way, all saying the same and poorly documented.
Both sam and virtual dj are simpler to use, I don't need 6 audio servers or anything, I just need something that works well in two clicks, I don't have to set up a home server, I just send skype calls correctly, my audio music, to an online radio, period.
Good troll answer yours.
http://www.stallman.org/skype.html
What was said. YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE IT. To listen to yourself in the headphones you just have to activate the "In the DJ monitor" box in the microphone or auxiliary tab in Preferences, if you use it on Arch you have to install Pulseaudio and verify your sound card with ALSA Mixer or another monitor of audio, start the machine with JACK running by default and learn a little technical English. It is not trolling, it is teaching.
I already did, and it does not work, hunk, or everything is silenced or nothing is heard, pffff, mria what to come and tell me that I was two days without sleep trying to make it work and I even asked for help from the gnu radio and I don't could ahaahaha, hunk
In reality there are no viruses in Windows, since XP SP1 is that there can no longer be such and above all there is a protection at the hardware level for that, what if there is and in any operating system is malware, and that is normal , and I doubt very much that there are Linux programs with ISO certification like the ones in Windows and much less have the technical support, forums and Linux community? please!!!!
I do not know why you comment on this blog in which we are good Samaritans when it comes to having problems using Linux.
On Windows, their quality of technical support is completely deprorable (I think the best help you get is from a warez user).
If you want first-rate quality of care, you can choose to subscribe to Red Hat to use Red Hat Enterprise Linux (and the service is good) or to lean towards Apple (despite being proprietary, their treatment is better than in Windows).
If you need help in Windows you have at your disposal 104 thousand people distributed in all Microsoft communities in the world who can help you. Cheers
If you need help in GNU / Linux there are an infinity of IRC channels, forums, wikis, mailing lists where they give you support.
It is that I do not finish one and I see you in another… first the grammar class: Viruses, both in plural and singular, no viruses… you are worse than Nicolás Maduro.
Please, please, PLEASE, stop being so… so you in life. Technical support on Windows? SERIOUSLY? I have to give you a Dolan meme «Cocolo plzzz dont do this». As far as I know, I was never able to contact the windows help center when I have a problem on Linux, I go to any good forum and in a while I have like five possible solutions.
Now, I want to put you next to a true certified Linux professional, those who start from the bottom in communities, learn a lot and then get certified ... in front of an executive looking for employees, you expose your "experience" and his ... to see who is worth more
True thanks for the grammar correction, at least you know something other than talking stupid.
Now that stupid pretext of saying "the forums" hahaha isn't there the same ones for Windows, and even more so, have you called a Microsoft free line? It seems that no, there they explain everything, what to write where to click etc, believe me I ever had a problem and that's it, now if you like to spend hours reading answers from guys who often give solutions for too stupid or spend it reading lines and lines of comments that at some point it seems that they are going to send greetings to their mother, puppy dog etc. there you, I have also gone through that and even had fun.
Well in the end this post is bad, why turn someone, that we are still in the dark age? please!!!! and stop being a hurt child, you get bored.
Apparently you forgot to read my last paragraph.
I already believe you about RHEL, but you still have to pay, and Apple? seriously? That is the worst crap there can be in life, that is, because paying between 600 and 800 dollars more for a PC as horrible and disgusting as that, with an operating system for other horrendous, I don't think you have used the technical service from Microsoft.
sometimes you just open the irc client of your distro and there is the solution 🙂
This poor Windose has only 3 neurons, and all of them are already evicted due to lack of use and with terminal cancer. "There are no viruses in Windows" To be taken to the madhouse. LOL!!!
you could perfectly say "windows user", there was no need to invent another word, "windowser" xDDDD
Thanks for the suggestion, but lately this term has become fashionable that they even use it in Taringa even in a humorous way (http://www.taringa.net/posts/humor/2034090/Entrevista-a-un-windowser-y-a-un-linuxero.html | http://www.taringa.net/comunidades/ubuntuparataringeros/6366876/Offtopic-El-comentario-mas-boludo-de-un-inocente-Windowser.html), but sometimes there are quite risky proposals that are worth trying like Zorin OS (http://www.zorin-os.com/) and at least keep us from becoming like the FayerWayer commentators (those are really bad at debating).
I personally hate GIMP so I use Krita. With InkScape something similar happens to me, it has a I don't know what that doesn't convince me, Karbon solution. Regarding Eclipse, it is very good for java or .net -mono-, but regarding c ++ it is far behind QtCreator and KDevelop. I think they will accuse me of being KDEPriest! then accuse me then.
Now let a Windows user tell me if he can compile his program directly for Android devices from VisualStudio! Oh I remember, Android is Linux 😀 But you already knew that, right?
In short, there are plenty of reasons, what is missing are the politicians
GIMP is a great program, what I did in photoshop I can achieve in GIMP.
I recommend that you homogenize the GTK and QT theme with for example qt curve and also the icons of the GTK applications, and go back and tell us, for now I have to assume that you use KDE, but how strange that you do not use Konqueror or Renkonq
I use GIMP to make memes, but to do the odd trick I use Photoshop because of the use of its tools (not to contradict myself, but at first I stumbled when using the GIMP tools that I gradually got used to). On the other hand, Inkscape seems to me to have an interface similar to CorelDraw, but when using its tools it is as if you had received a bucket of cold water because its operation is completely different (with Karbon I felt that the tools that most I like to use were conspicuous by their absence).
In short, it is only a matter of adapting to the tools offered by free software (even if it is by your own will).
The truth is that Krita is great but it is not made for editing but for illustration xD
They are very closed, I have it verified, I only convinced a friend and because his Windows said enough and stopped working. Then he was amazed when he saw that in less than half an hour he was already browsing because he believed that the computer had broken down. Now he is with the same paranoia that I had when browsing without antivirus. It takes getting used to. And he has also told me that sometime the bargain will end, that it can't be to have something so good for free, I don't know what to say to him but while it lasts ...
Proof of this is the horde of comments that arrive here, and most of them are too closed.
One does not get anything out of trying to convince (or impose) the use of something (in this case GNU / Linux) on a person, the person is the one who should be interested - at least that's how I got started in Linux. -
Before starting I would like to express that @gato's comment has been the most accurate for me and I agree with him: «One does not get anything out of trying to convince (or impose) the use of something (in this case GNU / Linux) on a person , the person is the one to whom the interest should arise »
Honestly, this post is somewhat disconcerting to me ... I think that these types of post only cause tension and conflict.
Each one fights for his convictions or his ideas. But trying to "open their eyes" to laymen who use Windows seems very paternalistic.
I fight for my ideas, but I don't try to impose them. If someone asks me about my experience with certain software, I will give my opinion as a Linux user. If someone tells me about their dissatisfaction with the PC, I will tell them about Linux. But trying to convert someone for good? No thanks…
Many users use windows for whatever reasons (In many cases, because they don't care, they don't want to know anything about operating systems because they don't care), and although I don't share that use, I respect it. Because in the end your PC or your OS only serves one thing: gain and / or waste time. If a user is more comfortable using a certain software and for its use it saves time. Ahead.
I support free software as much as I can. But I don't want to sell it to people as if it were a product ... If we try to impose its use on someone, where is the freedom that is presumed later?
Completely agree with both. I am not going to evangelize anyone. I help, and I have helped, to install the distro that at that time seemed most appropriate. GNU / Linux is reached and for this the interest of the user must be positive. I think that comparing if this is better or worse is counterproductive because expectations are generated that, at worst, generate unnecessary rejection.
I arrived because I liked it from the beginning, I took it as a challenge, and at no time did I feel the need to "go back." And I do not find that there is a possible comparison. That is, there are alternatives in all systems, but I am more confident and satisfied in the dark reverse than in the zodiacal light.
Then we have the case of "impositions" if software has to be used in a system that is not the desired one, I do not see why one has to do fat blood. I am lucky to always be able to use GNU / Linux, but it doesn't bother me to have to use another operating system. Also, what damage does having added abilities do?
Well, I started using linux, because a certain oyashiro sama, I wouldn't stop trolling on irc xd and look, I used it and I wouldn't stop using it, if I hadn't been trolled so much, it probably would never have changed.
The truth is I think the important thing is that they know that Windows and Mac are not the only systems that exist, many do not even know that it is an operating system. But at least they know that there is a very good option.
Besides, I don't think the important thing is that they use Linux either, I think the important thing is that they know at least what free software is, and if they don't know how to tell them that free is not free.
So hopefully some will like the idea, and if we support them in the end they will be people with more knowledge, more capable of contributing to the world. By promoting the values of dedicating yourself to what you love, you will even do it for free. Share what you know, that helps increase the culture. Research, do not get carried away by appearances or marketing (find out for yourself)
I use Linux because it amuses me and I believe that something good can be done, and what I am saying is utopia. I am foolish for believing in a Utopia, but if the world loses its dreams it will no longer be happy.
I do not understand. They recommend NOT using Ubuntu because it is "supposedly unstable" but they recommend Mint ???? Mint (except LMDE) descends from Ubuntu. So they share the same "instability"
BTW, I am using Xubuntu right now, I have used Ubuntu, Lubuntu and MintXFCE and those distros are stable. I have not had any problem in this regard.
I'd like to know how someone qualifies a particular distro as unstable. What tests are executed and which ones it fails. Data please !!!
Which distro is recommended then? Because a Windows user hates something that is not much like his world. If you don't look at the rejection towards Vista, 7 and 8 ahgora (although 7 like that more or less) In the end they all want an XP and that's it.
Ubuntu's instability is due to unity, nothing else.
Ubuntu's instability is due more than all to the misuse that its users give it about the installation of PPA packages (since they install from repos that do not mostly coincide with the dependencies of the version they have installed), in addition to Unity since saw the light has won several opponents for its lack of practicality (although Ubuntu comes from Debian Wheezy, its instability is due more than anything to users who abuse it).
On the other hand, Mint turns out to be a refined version of Ubuntu in terms of GUI design and the way in which packages are assembled, so there would be a better organized community in terms of help and support (I have no doubt that Ubuntu users become disenchanted because they witness a mistake made by themselves and still do not realize it).
Another thing, the KDE, XFCE and LXDE user interfaces are somewhat similar to the Windows interface (more LXDE because KDE and XFCE differ in the functionality they give it). However, if you want to prevent Windowser from confirming your crash daemons by the human factor (as I mentioned in the 3rd point), then I would recommend at least Debian Testing with LXDE to avoid problems.
linux mint with cinnamon is not so bad ¬¬
Oh my God! Seriously? How much Taliban ..
Let's see, no matter how much you say, software is a tool, and if I have to use Office I will use office, not free office because it is free software.
The quality of the software in Linux is not better as some say. Clear examples are Office, the Adobe suite and 3D editing programs, do not tell me that there is an equivalent in Linux of the same quality, because it is NOT like that by any means, and users must first see their performance and work and then the ethics in the software, which is secondary when working, and more speaking of professionals who will not use Gimp to do their work as a designer, or a video or audio professional with alternatives such as audaciti or kdenlive ..
That the expert if he knows about the image issue still controls GIMP that Photoshop is a great LIE, Photoshop beats any equivalent program in Linux and also changes its way of working, so you control the program and your knowledge; You will not be able to do the same due to its low potential and its limiting options in gimp next to Photoshop. Like Libreoffice, the quality of the documents and user experience is much higher Office than Libre office and I personally work more comfortable using Excel Word Power Point and Access than Calc writter presentations and base ..
In 3D and Image and sound ditto .. So no, don't act like a Taliban and if it meets your needs and you want to expand your horizons well, install Linux. But do not try to replace software that does not offer the same quality, or every day they will give you Libre Office, Open shot, Gimp and other tools "for professionals".
Greetings, and before you jump I use Windows 8 and Arch with KDE indifferently, but for some things one OS and others the other, not everything is going to offer me the same if another can give me better quality and results ..
Amen brother.
Sure, 50% of windows users use photoshop (?) // ironia off
there is no reason to be aggressive with people to be or not a supporter of something, there are people who like Windows and people who like Linux, there is no reason to argue ... these types of posts all they do is put together internet fights
I know very few people who like windows, so there are many people who only know windows.
Yes, but I see that unfortunately they have not read my post from beginning to end, because I have explained each point taking into account that in some cases, Windows users only know that operating system and cannot (or want) to see beyond the horizon .
There is software for Linux that is available for Windows if you don't want to install a distro on your PC, but I admit that professional graphic design software carries more weight (like Photoshop that was created by Thomas Knoll back in the 80's that started as the ancestor Windows Paint and was later acquired by Adobe to become what it is today), but lately I have seen that even Holywood companies have become supporters of software like Blender, but there is not a strong interest in making GIMP or other software achieve the same quality as proprietary software.
I have Windows XP and Debian Stable on my PC, although more I use XP for some jobs that they send me to do in proprietary software, but for the rest of things, I use Debian (LibreOffice, Dia, Chromium, Iceweasel ...) for its best performance on PCs with mainboards like 1st Gen PC Chips (yes, I admit I don't have a Core i3 or AMD Phenom but a 4Ghz Pentium 1.8 with 1GB of RAM).
Ok now someone who is not Taliban but knows how to recognize things is talking to you.
First of all, to say that there is no quality in Linux equivalent to Windows is to say the least.
Starting with the office suites ... look, they are paradigms and the truth is that so far I have not had any problems or complaints with LibreOffice regarding MS Office, only one and it was regarding the aforementioned format compatibility, but what if I couldn't do the same? same with one than with another? Pff, tell that to all the governments worldwide that have changed and that not only have saved but their productivity rates have been increased (be careful, I'm talking about the real migrations, not the shit they do here in Venezuela with Canaima Linux ).
Photoshop vs GIMP? I give you the reason because it is true, to shit whoever says otherwise if you try to do printed design in Linux, but if we talk about digital design, and that it stays in Digital, what the hell do I need Phothoshop or Adobe? I think only to animate with flash, because if you leave me with "for web development" you would be shitting it xD
In 3D image and sound ... oh god here they don't know Blender, which even in Pixar is used to model textures because simply when it comes to texturing I have heard wonders with Blender, please, in this aspect limit yourself to keeping silence bro. With the sound we have Ardor which is wonderful and Mixxx which is a virtual DJ style MIDI but free and really, REALLY good.
Not in all cases there are better programs, but if in many there are high quality, very competent programs, do not speak without having sufficient bases.
but can mixx stream from mic like sam or virtual dj?
Thank you very much for Mixxx and Ardor, as I was looking for a really pro audio editor.
Regarding the «conversion», I used the term in an ironic sense, since many times there are fanboys who unfortunately what they do is scare Windows users who prefer to take refuge in a really mediocre option (I say this on the basis because in Windows , even if you use XP you will not have the same performance as when you use GNU / Linux when you use an obsolete PC with a 1st generation PC Chips mainboard with 1 GB of RAM, 1.8 Ghz of processor, two 40 GB IDE HDDs and a 32MB embedded video).
Perhaps on the Windows and OSX side we win the proprietary software, but as for the exceptions like Blender make it really worth being on Linux, and recently Valve Corporation has opted for this platform by bringing its Steam games to the side of the SW of the penguin, surely the experience will be unsurpassed (much more fluid movement responses and without delays).
yes, it touches me a bit the morality that at first they already try to silence me because I have no bases ..
Blender is not going to be used by a 3D designer basically because it is not an appropriate software for many professionals and only for a small group of animation that, in addition, uses more powerful tools.
Tell a designer engineer, or an industrialist or whoever you want in 3D design to use Blender .. He laughs at you. They use software like Catia, Rhino, mesh and mold programs, numerical control milling machines ... And that's not even remotely offered by Blender, so no, you're not right.
Office automation? Ditto, the user experience that Libreoffice gives us is not even remotely that of Microsoft Office, and I am not talking about putting bold or italics, for that it uses Gedit. I am talking about advanced things that in Office are a joy, such as correspondence, tables dynamics, queries or whatever. The sangria is simply very fine and has a very good structure. All that in wl Writter is something tedious and impossible. The same in Calc to create graphic tables, macros or custom filters, or in any other case, MOffice will always give us better results.
And finally .. What need is there to say Winbugs, Win $, Windoser, Winlooser and derivatives?
It seems that you want to be a bit elitist and differentiate and belittle those who use a system that in many ways offers more quality and user experience.
The operating system as such (without third-party applications / drivers) seems to me to be of worse quality and the user experience is debatable. Testing with acquaintances I have seen that most prefer a Kubuntu, Xubuntu or Lubuntu to Windows 8. Windows makes the difference for third-party applications / drivers (video games are essential).
Before I had my stuff about libreoffice, but in the last month, I have only used that and nothing, for the use of a home user, it is perfect.
let's see man let's go by parts
1º- photoshop is used by graphic designers with a level of ostia, others try to use it and use plugins in many cases that can be used in gimp, but that is not an image if we take the photograph as an image field I don't know why but People who understand a little read about high-level photographers and not so high-level, they will find more than one who does not use photivo and uses corel aftershot pro (this one is available for linux) or even lightroom because they have much less options and in Instead of wasting hours and hours fiddling with option by option because they are many and with a lot of variety in their use, in video it is different but how to say it for someone normal there are programs that do what they want and tell me if you pay for each license of paid software that you use, because I have heard of photographers who make a living from photography who pirate lightroom and photoshop and wait for the cloud to see how they do later, if you do not know how to use any and you are at a basic level you have as you say alternatives, that I would say photo shop is also a gimp alternative, like photoshop gimp.
2º- See if you use libreoffice and you tell me that it is short, because you cannot put formulas, I will tell you that you do not know what you use, because the MS Office formulas are a parody of Latex, and it is written the same when you stop using the mouse in the middle of your writing sessions, I tell you from experience because what I hate the most is taking the mouse every two by three to write X ^ 2, now paste that in an office formula box in a latex one and tell me How they differ, and with a thousand other options we will have the same thing, what happens is that of course we only use Google to search for porn.
3º-If there is a place where linux takes with respect to windows that is in the CAD / CAM / CAE software, by the way I am not talking about autoCAD since that is only 2D CAD, for 3D you already need the inventor but there is no me me to.
4º- Remember professional, it is not who says it is, it is who proves it, and a good photographer you talk about EV points understands you, now a lightroom user does not.
5th- This world is free, or so they say, take what seems best to you, use it and when it doesn't reach you, look for something better, one day I didn't get windows, this is difficult to explain at what point I didn't get there, and start using linux, what was the time in those mandrake 8.1, that was ugly, difficult to use, gave errors, ... at least compared to windows 98, but now in 2013 linux is the most used OS in consumer electronics, it's nice, easy to use, it does not give errors and if you want, search for porn in google
6º- This will not be read by God and God will not realize that if he does not know exactly what I am talking about that I am right and you will make pests against the software and I do not know if I get where I want but if someone does not use something because it is very powerful for something it will be the same, we come to pass and we forget the simple ones who use this to read the mail and navigate but it is what there is and in professional options linux, windows or osx leave something to be desired each in a different field.
If you are a designer, the best is osx, if you are an administrator of large linux servers and if you are a windows gamer, for everything else MasterCard because money can buy everything, but tell Microsoft, Apple or Google,… ..
Wing trolling a little
The truth is that I, like many here, love Linux, in my case Ubuntu (my favorite), it is true that Unity is unstable, but once everything is configured in the correct way it is perfect (most problems are due to proprietary drivers). And it is also true that for work reasons I have to use Windows and MacOSX and I think it is a bit false that every Windows program has its equivalent in Linux, they NEVER work the same. I work in video and photography and the Cinelerra never accepted HDV video formats, which is what I work with, and I cannot afford to waste time converting formats, besides being used to the Adobe Suite and Final Cut Pro X, there are no solutions so practical in free software, this due to the fact that each proprietary software patents the operation of its interface, so free software has to create new forms of use in interaction and many of these forms of use are very complicated, not because the creators they cannot do better, if not because they are already patented and the resulting software would no longer be Free.
On the other hand, I will never find an equivalent to After Effects on Linux, nor an equivalent to Adobe Audition (And I am talking about compatibility of formats and plugins), although I must accept that the Ardor has a lot of potential, it only requires some time to learn it.
My greatest satisfaction with the use of free software, thanks to Ubuntu has been having found Blender in the software center, here yes, I will never find an equivalent to Maya 3D or 3D Studio MAX in Linux, it is impossible, because blender is a lot, much better, more powerful and less heavy at the same time, for me it has been a real discovery and has greatly facilitated the possibilities of 3D modeling (I am not a professional, but I have managed to do things in blender that I could never with 3D max, simply because blender has better tools).
On the other hand, in photography I would have liked to have done great things in Gimp and DarkTable, but the truth is that RAWs are not correctly recognized, the pixel format is distorted and the color calibration is very complicated. I think that everything is due to the algorithms used for the recognition and handling of information from RAWs.
Well, these little things are what lead me to think that in the professional sector it is almost impossible to opt for free software. I would even love for paid software like the one I use to be programmed and compiled for the most popular Linux distros, because it is not only a stable, reliable and customizable system, but it is beautiful and more humane, so to speak. I know that this thinking goes a bit against the ideology of free software, but alternatives are also needed for professionals. In my office I had to install Xubuntu because the PC on which the mail is handled was getting contaminated with malware, for me that has been the best, having to be forced to install Linux, the best obligation I have had in years. We wanted to do the same on the PC that the public uses to review the material we distribute, but it was impossible because the system is an Access database with a graphical interface, the database can be used, but not the graphical interface in Linux, already that does not run Acces.
Well, I already expanded too much, I only exposed the difficulty of why it is not possible many times to fully migrate to a good system, everything is moved by other hands that tie us up and force us to live in prison.
Good, but for After Effects there is a similar program called Jahshaka, which has good tools for making special effects (not for trolling, but finding good free tools is like finding a needle in a haystack).
Although there are good tools in GNU / Linux, there are also free software deficiencies that have been completely abandoned such as Gnash, which unfortunately make YouTube videos heavier and do not load at all well, and it is not compatible with Flash 11 (although it will be forgotten thanks to HTML5 and CSS3).
Another thing that I also agree on is patents that leave us tied to proprietary software (Apple may be great with their tech support, but OSX is the weakest BSD distro I've seen and the worst UNIX-based OS which uses a graphical interface that is twice as heavy as the Aero in Windows Vista / 7).
Let's see, I prefer to use Windows for many factors and if I need Linux, I simply run it in a virtual machine, I suppose you do the same in reverse, right? then what is the problem, as I said the vast majority of Linux programs run on Windows period.
Now this "convincing" or "evangelizing" someone to use the same thing that one seems to me to be otherwise ill, it would be good to stop making posts like these and publish much more interesting and professional things, greetings.
I put that word in quotes to show the irony when it comes to proposing to a Windows user. I did not write that it necessarily has to be installed on your PC (you can use it as a virtual machine to see what the experience is like and thus not have to get upset, but the main problem is not knowing how to make a Windows user stop using Windows).
And how does it affect you if a person uses Windows or not?
What affects me is that they have the possibility of using a better tool, but since it is tied to habit, prejudices and unfounded fears by people who do not want it to change, it is not possible that a person does not know how to take advantage of the potential of their PC nor can they do things that you can do with free software.
Some questions: What Linux distro have you used? How was your experience?
You said it, tool, a hammer is not for moving earth, just as Linux is not for everything
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The next time you complain about your country's backwardness, think that it is partly thanks to you: By using Windows you are preventing small companies in your country from gaining a foothold in the computer market. Not only software development companies but technical services that would have a lot of work if most people and companies called them when they had a computer problem because those companies used Linux instead of Windows, and hired services from small local companies instead of large Anglo-American companies that charge for training certificates issued by local companies that want to be recognized as technical services endorsed by Microsoft Inc.
Einsten used to say that you have to make things as simple as possible, but no more. With the subject of free software, it is often oversimplified, it is said that if viruses, that if agility, that if gratuitousness, and four other things, but they do not talk about the economic and even neocolonial implications that not using it implies .
Greetings.
By the way, in my comment it appears that I write from Windows. Now my actual user agent should appear. The reason is the User Agent Overrider extension https://addons.mozilla.org/es/firefox/addon/user-agent-overrider/ Through which I usually browse for privacy reasons. I know this helps the statistics on the number of Linux users to be lower, but nothing is perfect in this life.
Greetings.
I just wanted to make sure that this page does not detect the browser I use
Um ... Chromium 25?
A better tool for you, as the makeup artists can say that a "Mac" is better for graphic design, which makes me fucking laugh like it's true, but everyone will know what they use and how true?
Well, I have used Red Hat and CentOS on servers for VoIP and IP telephony, Ubuntu and Fedora for the desktop, and the truth is that I prefer to use Windows since the administration of Linux can be by SSH, Web or VNC, right? And those programs still run in Windows, only that I don't have the problems that you have, personally I prefer that operating system, but what I do love about Linux is the remote administration that you have and especially that it can be installed in almost Anything, what annoys me is that when it comes to updating it goes to hell, like my WD NAS that in order to give remote access to my smartphones I needed an update and now I can't manage it, a scrub, I use Linux tb in my router and it works fine, the firmware that I use for at least 4 years.
I see why so much hatred towards GNU / Linux. I also have a Western Digital disk and it really is a tarball pain if you have formatted with ext3, but ext4 does not generate problems and depending on which distro you have used it may be that the problem is the update system that the distro has (in Ubuntu it has so many flaws that I preferred not to install it on my machine and opted for Debian Stable).
It is not hate, but the experience of use already creates a headache…. What I mean is that this disk is a WD two-tera NAS that only has an ethernet port and that has not been used for more than half a year, and no matter how much I search in all the forums there is nothing concrete on how to fix it device, a disgrace !!! and it is based on Debian because the package I downloaded was .deb.
In those cases, it would be working with the parent distro (in your case, Debian Stable since you avoid these incompatibility problems and in Ubuntu it is a shitty when it comes to updating the operating system from the repos unless you use the LTS).
If you are going to use GNU / Linux, use distros that are stable with a long history like Debian, Slackware or RHEL (if you don't want to pay, you can use CentOS), since usually some derivative distros that companies make usually do worse than OS X and its update system is usually a mess.
I would like to comment on my experience from the point of view of a mere user. I neither program nor develop applications or study any engineering in the field of computer science. I am dedicated to architecture.
For 18 years I have used Windows from 3.1 to XP, my last Win OS, basically because all work applications were made for Win. 5 years ago I jumped to Linux via Ubuntu and since then I have not used Win again. The change was motivated by the need to save on licenses and have all applications within the law (we are a company).
Today I have all the applications I need in Linux, the vast majority native and some running in Wine. And with each passing day the situation improves.
In addition, I am scrupulously legal with the licenses: 90% of my software is SL and the remaining 10% is paid. You cannot imagine the money I have saved.
In this journey it has not been all easy, but here we are. And we will continue :). What I do not understand is the reason why people who use Windows - absolutely respectable, of course - are so reluctant to try an operating system that is free as well as free ... By the way, I would like people who use Windows to tell me If all the applications they use are aware of license fees or if not, what percentage of their software is illegal.
«Cocolium
And how does it affect you whether a person uses Windows or not? »
The result of the massive use of windows is that the companies that develop software do so for this system, they have already given the example of the adobe and corel design programs, in addition to certain drivers, it is not the fault of the users of course, but it is a consequence.
On the other hand, I get the impression that the vast majority use the wrong words when referring to the system that each one prefers, for example, "libreoffice is better than msoffice", ceo I should say, "libreoffice offers me what I need ».
But it's just an opinion.
AND? I personally believe that Windows is a system much better adapted for the desktop and everyday things than other operating systems, and much more than that which prides itself on being "intuitive", Linux is a beauty for servers and embedded systems, too bad it is not so good part of updates and that many even suggest that you simply patches, in short there is everything and for everyone, what bothers you is that you "want to convert", be happy with yours, right?
I also went from ubuntu to fedora with xfce, the truth is I liked ubuntu but on my laptop it overheats something that with xfce does not happen and since I was going to change the desktop I changed the distro too xD, I liked xfce the only bad thing / well I can't find how to enable system sounds xD
I liked the post, I think many of those who said they did not read it well, just above, I agree with who I think another title would have been better, because I use Linux and I recommend it, but I still liked it.
Personally I no longer recommend GNU / LINUX, because when I say that I have this system installed, and they ask me something, I answer that you have to read, read a lot, like everything in life, and the answers are quite bad, read, search, forums? That's why I no longer recommend it, I don't like that attitude, but everyone.
When I recommended it, I never used virus-free and it is free, I always commented that I liked it because of its configuration, the speed it gave to my computer, when I entered details of the file systems, defragmentation and those details, I They looked as if to say "What is this madman talking about?" hahahahaha, I left him for peace.
I comment, I use debian, if someone is curious, there is the internet for them to look for, if not, I do not get into trouble.
Good post
Thanks for agreeing with me. Also, I wrote it at dawn because I was kind of tired and missed some specifics about speed and other details that many times you don't really see.
On the other hand, I use Debian Stable (squeeze) because I was fed up with how slow my Windows XP was with videos in MP4 with VLC (in Vista, don't tell me, I endured explorer crashes and the interface is almost useless) and with a PC Chips 1st. Generation that really is an obsolete mainboard with 1GB of RAM, 3MB S32 integrated video, 2 x 40GB IDE hard drives and 4Ghz P1.8, I opted for Debian and am more than happy because Debian Squeeze gets the most out of it. my hardware, something I didn't feel in Windows.
Something similar happens to me but with the PC (with older relatives who know that there are things called computers, but they do not use them -or used them- at all xD) and when they tell me «If you teach me or give me a course? » I tell them «No. If you want to do something, ask me and I'll tell you how to do it, but I'm not going to sit down with you to teach you », (not as drastic as leaving the person without explaining anything, but some things like handling the mouse and writing, and there we start) and I think it is the best way to "teach" something, including linux. Practice and practice, stumbling and getting back up like children.
At university, when they taught us OS, they put Linux on us (I was already using it by then), and there were colleagues who asked if they were going to give some units to learn how to handle it and the professor told them exactly the same thing that I mentioned above, many were They were left with reluctant comments and the teacher asked them "raise your hand, those who taught you to use windows ... (no one raised it) ... raise it up, those who learned to use it alone" and it was all. The teacher told us "well, so you can see that I'm cool, I'm going to show you what the terminal is and how to use it when needed" ... we use Ubuntu and I think that explains a lot how easy the adaptation was. xD
And later in the course of the race some continued in windows and others switched to linux, depending on where they felt more comfortable.
When I got into Linux, I was using Mandrake 9, but I found that its packet decompression speed was really slow, so I decided to move to Debian, the distro I use now.
While I use the word "convert" it's because most Linux users take it as a cult to follow, and a lot of times, they nag that you have to use the console for everything (I have to admit that the CMD in Windows it is crap and that the console in GNU / Linux is very comfortable even to navigate in folders) and I highlight it in quotes at the end because I simply wanted them to understand the sarcasm that I give to the post.
As for the Linux experience, they should know that at least there are rational people who know how to explain the use of GNU / Linux well without the need for these prejudices, something that Cannonical realized and from there Ubuntu was born as a partially free solution and with functionalities at least similar to proprietary operating systems.
Regarding "evangelism", I can tell you that I am not a devotee of Saint IGNUCI like other Linux users who are hypocrites (I note that I do not mention name and it is not a hint towards someone personal), I share what Richard Matthew Stallman meant With the massification of free software, but little has been done for Windows and Mac users to really decide to use GNU / Linux because unfortunately they are tied to proprietary tools and standardized by monopolies, besides that we have hordes of fanboys They barely know how to use GUI's and consoles and they don't know the real impact that the use of free software could cause.
Interesting article.
I have installed linux to relatives and acquaintances who use windows, the best thing that has worked for me has been Xubuntu and Mint xfce, both very easy and stable. Most continue to use it and are delighted.
Debian is too complicated for someone who does not want to learn anything about linux; especially the issue of updates, installing repositories and any adjustments that have to be made.
The arguments: stability, virus-free, having the programs you need and updates.
The graphical Debian installer is quite complete and at least suggests leaving blank when you don't know one thing or another (something that Slackware and other distros don't do), but the only thing that really requires extra help is when doing the manual partition (although it gives you the option of automatic formatting, the bad thing is that it is when it will occupy the entire disk).
The best thing about Debian is that it has applications such as the software center (or Software center) so that you can install without having to use commands or anything like that (although gdebi must also be added for when you download the .deb packages and you want to avoid a problem with the commands).
If it weren't for Ubuntu, Debian would not have had these facilities that it now has so that it can be managed almost without touching the console. Now, distros like Slackware and Arch don't focus on luring these GUI-accustomed users and wizards into the next, next mania (although Slackware's post-format installation is on the verge of next, yes, install, finish).
Not all distros are difficult, but at least Cannonical made Linux users pay more attention to why a Windows (and Mac) user is tethered to proprietary software.
eliotime3000,
I love Debian, for me the best, but for those who use windows and I have installed linux, debian seems complicated when updating and installing packages.
The best thing to do it all alone and without any problem, and for that xubuntu and Mint have given me the best results.
To us because we like to touch the system, but many Windows users (which is very respectable), do not want any problems, or any complications, or learn anything and simply do what they did with Windows.
I understand perfectly, if windows are good for you, why switch to linux? to complicate your life ?.
Either you leave it but that very easy, or the Windows user will never switch to Linux.
What has always bothered me is how long it takes for file explorers to open on my netbook (atom n270 1.6gh 1gbram). The only one that opens almost instantly is pcmanfm, the rest don't. And that my netbook moves all the desktops without problems ... only the explorers fail (in the case of my netbook) ... In windows it always opens it instantly.
Atom, Atom everywhere (I agree with PCManFM, but in the end it is the best file explorer I have used so far).
At the end of the day, you will end up using LXDE for its extreme lightness.
Too bad the xenophobic and disqualifying comments on the blog, I thought this page would be far from being another one of those pages with insults ...
Anyway, with respect to the article, the idea is great, it is difficult to leave Windows because of the comforts it has, it is a pity that hardware manufacturers make it difficult for the GNU / Linux community, I highly value that effort, I really like free software, but unfortunately I can't leave Windows yet, there are many applications that I can't stop using, although that's just a matter of habit and taste, right?
Greetings.
Yes, well. If what you are looking for is a page about technology and that is free of animals that bark, meow, roar and shiver, you should go to sites that have good writers like this one (although moderation would have been better, but good…) and MuyComputer (In FayerWayer there are quite a few animals on the loose, in alt1040 it is full of fanboys and anything else, but in Genbeta the environment for debate is very well conditioned to make a good debate).
How to do to convert a Windowsero into Linuxero…. installing it 😉
The only friend who could not go to Linux is precisely a friend who for work is tied to Access and although we try everything ... there is nothing that surpasses him ... .. so I sincerely believe that if the news that MS is going to make a version of Office for Linux will be a hoot !!!
Jo, the one that was put together in this post 🙂
I'm just saying that you have to take life easy.
I am a professional photographer, as well as a GNU / Linux user for more than 8 years. If one masters photographic technique, color theory and composition, which are tools typical of photography, the use of paid photo editors will be less and less. In all this time I have not had to leave GNU / Linux to do professional work. I use Mtpaint for resizing, toning to sepia, as well as customizing the grayscale, etc. Cheers
I'm going to leave the topic, I'm trying to totally migrate my photo workflow from windows to linux, what do you recommend?
Import, classify, reveal, retouch
I have a little interest in all the points of the workflow, I have no problem learning anything new, I use pirate lightroom and photoshop and I want to leave it at once, I'm going around aftershot, darktable, photivo and a thousand other alternatives
My substitutes for windows in linux are:
For microsoft office - wps office or libreoffice.
For photoshop - gimp
For visual basic 6 - prawns 3
The itunes with virtualbox
Ares with wine
Nero - Kb3
Videos with vlc
loquendo with wine
Ubuntu unstable ?? I have not known that for a long time, I can even recommend it to someone who has a similar PC to mine
Well, I installed xubuntu on an old machine and I give myself the limit to see the flash, not with gnash or anything, that if it goes faster, but I think it is because it does not use antivirus that eats the ram, and there it is without using, until I find a solution, I hope they will not crucify me, but when I had winxp, the only thing I did was install an old version of flash, and I saw the online series fluent, I also did that in xubuntu and it is still not seen well, does anyone have any ideas?
flash in linux has never gone well and ..., if you don't have an nvidia graphics, even worse the truth 🙁
Zorin 7. Window $ appearance, gnu / linux core.
Linux is not stable yet nor does it have official drivers, the Windows drivers work better, you have to spend always configuring and seeing that the update does not break the dependencies, it is good to learn some things, but for production and for the Windows labor market It is the indicated one, if you are a programmer you can make programs for Linux and starve by giving away your work or working for Microsoft's systems and making good money, although for me it is fine since while you are with Linux I have more decongested the market of Microsoft and I will not see them as a threat until I create an application that sells and someone comes out with the same application but who gives it away and says "We are linuxeros we do not mind taking your work" It seems that Linux people do not like that some of us live programming (?, and if we know how to program, we have to do it for free and look for work in something else? Okay, they will tell me "can you charge for the help desk" really ???Even the manufacturers companies refuse to help Linux unless the same companies have a profit, who invented the software market, licenses and thanks to whom does a programmer make money? exact microsoft, linux? Linux seems more like a communist operating system, on the other hand nothing is free and Linux makes a lot of money but only the owners of the distros (through donations) if you collaborate for free better for them, go collaborate with ubuntu and have to mark shuterwork ( or whoever) can change the car at the expense of your work, at least the people who make these blogs invoice with the visits, with this I am just trying to get someone to answer me what future job a programmer would expect to fulfill his utopia linuxera and if they say «all We should know how to program and people should not charge for that »well barbarous when that happens all of us who did a specialized career are going to have to learn to make churros, luckily their utopia is something that may never happen for our tranquility but reflect and If you consider that you have solid foundations, answer me, but let it be something intelligent and not comments "because you're Windows but you're gay" and bullshit that doesn't amount to anything, please be political, thanks
I clarify that I will also ignore comments that question my knowledge about linux because if I have gone through a lot of distros and they are all basically the same, well I could take the linux kernel, create my own package system, not use or apt , nor pacman, but a new one, I put him to choose the desktop environment with some silly modification to put the logo of my distro and I create a user system that will be in charge of managing the packages that will be included in my distro and walà I have a new linux distro, from there the next step is to receive donations and that the users of my distro fix bugs and create programs for it without charging a penny and the more they collaborate the better because they will say «look at the so-and-so distro has a couple of We are going to donate new things to it so that it can grow »and I will invest part of your donations in maintaining the project, the surplus I will spend on games of chance and sluts (? and those who collaborate I will only ignore them as t Does everyone do or do they make special mention of someone who has collaborated in a distro? Well, no, even the Argentine who developed in a MATE desktop environment had to go out to find a job in a company that uses proprietary software, the linux business model is fine, it's almost like the pyramid scheme ponsi XD, only instead of money you put code and help a businessman and businessman behind that distro have a better quality of life thanks to your religious and absurd fanaticism, your only satisfaction will be to answer badly to a newbie in a forum making you "the enlightened know-it-all" by doing I realized that he is a newbie, that he read the manual and that he should be ashamed to ask such hazing, then tell mommy that if she prepares a glass of milk with colacao, go and say "I'm smart because I use Linux, you use Windows because You're an idiot and you don't know how to type stupid commands »well someone could create a GUI and instead of commands one could do the same, having a kind of control panel in linux, but for what? Who would make such an amount of code for free because yes? and surely some would say "that's for newbies, linuxers really do things in the terminal and use window managers from the 60s like openbox", ok they can talk about security but there are viruses and rootkits for linux, you can enter a website with XSS and it doesn't matter if you use linux you screwed up, so that "linux is impenetrable" is relative and I would like to lend myself to the debate or do a thread about it, are you encouraged?
"Well, someone could create a GUI and instead of commands you could do the same, having a kind of control panel in Linux, but for what?"
Because it would be a huge task and also the resulting graphical interface would be so neat and cluttered with elements that it would be practically unusable.
I understand your frustration, and I think you are right to accuse many Linux users of that stupidity and pride that we have all seen in person: many believe that because they know how to write a 10-line Bash script they are already computer experts ... But if you knew Bash (and I'm only talking about Bash, I'm not adding the other command interpreters that exist in Linux / Unix) a little in depth you would know that the modifiers, commands ("commands", in Spanglish), and the combinations of one and the other are so many that that panel you say would probably have tens of thousands of options. Not only would it be, as I say, a long and tedious job but it would also be more complicated and laborious to learn to handle it than to learn the command that one needs to use at a specific moment and type it in.
There's no need to fear the console, man. The truth is that unless you are a system / network administrator or programmer, 99,9% of your time you will never need the console (let's leave out the people who bought equipment without making sure that their manufacturers have made them incompatible with everything that is not Windows, and that the poor suffer constant headaches to be able to make their machines work, which is another topic that bloggers should deal with more), and for a day that can come in handy, believe me, maybe by At first you don't understand anything, but little by little you will see that everything is making sense and that with four keystrokes in a few seconds you can do what would take a minute using graphical interfaces, and that if you learn a little bit of Bash you will be able to write your own scripts that will do multitude of tasks much more agile and will allow your machine to do what you want. But come on, if you are just a normal user, I am quite surprised that you need the console at all, and, as I said, if you ever need it, it would be more difficult to learn to use that hypothetical panel with 20 thousand options than a small console command with the 2 or 3 modifiers you may need.
Greetings.
I think that above all you have to show them that they can do exactly the same as in Windows even on old computers. The virus thing is fine, but I don't think the average user cares that much.
But what I do not agree with at all is that of: "can show you that Google Chrome / Mozilla Firefox / Opera is available for Linux"
Chrome is spyware, like all Google software and services that contain closed source; and Opera, we do not know, but it would not be surprising, and in any case it is still proprietary software, so NO, we cannot try to free people in computing by putting them back in another cage, no matter how much it has more bars fine and sea views. The only acceptable alternative for a good Linux server is Firefox. There are others like Qupzilla, but they are still unfinished and they fail more than a fairground shotgun.
If we want to help our loved ones break free from spying and bondage to proprietary software companies we should NEVER offer them more of the same. In the end, if our friends get very stubborn that they want Chrome, then there will be no choice but to tell them how easy it is to install it (that is if they have not discovered it before, because the repository system is the easiest way there has ever been to install software, that's why it has been copied by Android, IOS, and co.), but if our friend comes from Internet Explorer and has not yet been alienated by Chrome, we should only recommend Firefox and the entire battery of add-ons that improve navigation and security such as Adblock Plus, Blur, Self Destructing Cookies, Google Search Link Fix or Clear Fields, and of course put Startpage or Duck Duck Go as the default search engine, and even show you some not very important complement but that the gene usually likes, such as some of those that exist to download videos from Youtube, play them in VLC without having to keep the browser open or to extract the sound from those videos. It seems silly, but I have convinced more people to switch to Firefox with that nonsense than with my entire discourse on morality, social justice and the democratizing function of computing that free software has. It is sad but that is the reality. : - /
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