KDE 4.13, Nepomuk and Baloo

Well, this time you will see me doing a pseudo-informative post, it is about KDE 4.13, Baloo and Nepomuk (not to explain what each one does), let us begin:

What is Baloo?

Baloo is the successor of Nepomuk, the latter will be replaced, because it was built on RDF which in the frame theoretical it's good, but in practice the KDE developers have done their best to improve it, without getting the desired results. Since also the current nepomuk uses "Shared Desktop Ontologies", which arose in a period when it was not clear how they should work. They are difficult to understand and tend to duplicate information, added to the complexity of the RDF causes substitution by Baloo. The latter uses a new architecture , and it promises much more performance.

KDE 4.13 and Baloo

Speaking in the IRC de Shirt with hmm (By the way, very kind to explain to me what this is all about) the developer of this OS tells me that I can compile KDE 1 beta 4.13 without Nepomuk with Baloo this means that it is a KDE running 100% with Baloo, because I do emphasis in this ?, because hmm he tells me that nepomuk balooning They can run together, therefore it depends purely and exclusively de HOW the distro you are in compile KDE 4.13, this could lead them to think that they are running Baloo when in reality there are things that use them under Baloo (like dolphin) and others under nepomuk because they were not yet ported to Baloo or because the distro simply decided that it wants to keep nepomuk (an example of this is the plasma media center this one being in KDE without nepomuk, DO NOT works) then, before judging the consumption of RAM and Baloo performance make sure your distro is compiled without nepomuk and optimally.

Conclusion

I hope this also helps you when choosing a distro, I also take the opportunity to say that with this type of issue, distros like Gentoo / Funtoo Totally variable results are obtained since as you see the performance of KDE in this case, it depends on how it is compiled. That is why from one distro to another, the behavior of KDE may vary. From now on I anticipate that hmm He told me that with Baloo seems to decrease the consumption of RAM 🙂 and the indexer works much better, and finally I want to invite you to read this Interesting article made by one of the contributors, to DesdeLinux, which is related to these issues.


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  1.   Germaine said

    I NEVER liked Nepomuk and it gave me trouble when I used it, now it is the first thing I disable when installing a distribution with KDE.
    In short ... for now, go to KaOS, which has a better future.
    I used it and it is a very good distribution and very up-to-date but I was never able to keep the clock synchronized in dual boot as in the other distributions. If I entered Linux it was 3 to 4 hours ahead and if I entered Windows it was 3 to 4 hours behind and I had to fix it manually.
    Yoyo gave me some help but they didn't work for me, so much to my regret (because I like KaOS), I have to use Kubuntu on one machine and Netrunner on another but I would like to go back to KaOS once that problem has been overcome.

    1.    x11tete11x said

      From my experience nepomuk 3-4 times gave me problems (especially in the first versions of KDE) now it works very well, however from what I explained in the article it can be improved, right now with 32135 indexed files it consumes me 70 mb of RAM.

      Not for KaOS for now, I depend on a couple of 32-bit programs that I cannot install in KaOS, and regarding the clock, it is not a problem with KaOS but with how Windows manages the clock, which does it in UTC .. and windows does something weird with localtime .. if you have windows 7 it is very easy to change windows to UTC (in particular KaOS uses system for that reason UTC, and Kubuntu uses Upstart, which makes it easier to handle localtime and therefore coexists « without problems ») with windows 8 I could not tell you if this method works, with win 7 it works perfectly
      https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/time#UTC_in_Windows

      1.    x11tete11x said

        Sorry I misstated what I meant to say is that Windows handles a weird medium localtime, and KaOS, like several Systemd distros, handle UTC.

      2.    eliotime3000 said

        I had a similar problem on Windows Vista and Debian Wheezy, but the problem was that Debian used UTC as the base, but not Windows, and Debian wouldn't let me set it to local time. Here is the solution I had to do in Windows to pass it to UTC.

  2.   Yoyo said

    I admit that before KaOS I thought KDE was for #Gays, now I see KDE in a different way, more in the pure male Chuck Norris style.

    1.    x11tete11x said

      hahahaha xD, the good thing is that KaOS is going to be 100% Baloo 😀

    2.    Dago said

      There is also the possibility that you have become gay!
      LOL.

    3.    Cristianhcd said

      It must have been for mandriva and his gay art work, openSuse has always been for silver-backed alpha males 😀

      ps: kaOS is cute but male is not LOL

  3.   Cristianhcd said

    Is the tutorial for kaOS coming right? The fashionable distro ¬¬

    1.    x11tete11x said

      Tutorial of what? xD

      1.    Cristianhcd said

        for anything ... as yoyo did with manjaro 😀

  4.   moony said

    Fuck it ... I would love to use KDE without nepomuk or kdewallet for example (and some other things as well) but by using an already chewed distro like Debian they don't let me remove these two components without breaking the entire desktop.
    PS: someone here took the work or still does, to download the KDE sources and compile them to have a functional environment? How long it takes ? is there a good result?

  5.   day said

    You know if demm I already send it to the kaos build repo this kde 4.13 100% baloo, I'm thinking of sending it to build.

    1.    Yoyo said

      @jomada

      Yes, KDE 4.13 beta is already available in KaOS from the [kde-next] repo, which if used must be accompanied by the [build + repo

      And yes, this 4.13 beta already comes with Baloo and without Nepomuk

      1.    day said

        Thanks yoyo.

  6.   Washington Indacochea D said

    Good information, I got here because I have installed UbuntuStudio 14.04 and also installed dolphin but the search feature does not work, but if it worked in UbuntuStudio 12.04 and 13.10, and asking in the XChat IRC in the kubuntu channel, they tell me that if I have baloo installed Well, the thing is that if it is, but it is not looking for anything dolphin, and well now more or less here I understand that perhaps they did not compile this new application well and that is why the search does not work. Maybe they'll fix it later. Well, I use dolphin because it is faster than Nautilus (I always use Nautilus because it has Dropbox and Dolphin because it is faster on this laptop)

    1.    dwarf said

      As always, at the risk of sounding like a fucking idiot, I repeat to myself:

      Please use the forum for these questions: Link to the forum

  7.   Washington Indacochea D said

    The search as I have also read in other post was in charge of Nepomuk, and well as this Baloo is a change, here in UbuntuStudio the search does not work for me, I hope one day it can be made to work again.