OMGUbuntu begins a controversial topic by revealing that Linux Mint changed the code of Banshee so that the income from your online has 100% to your pockets.
I must say that, before issuing an opinion, we must first read the comment left by himself Clement lefebvre in the article of OMGUbuntu. Of the same, it is necessary to point out some details that seem important to me:
Now, before talking about the beneficiaries of this income. I wish everyone would visit the following link (apparently the one Banshee uses for donations):
http://integrated-services.banshee.fm/amz/redirect.do/
As you can see it is a broken link. Banshee doesn't use this link and they don't care about this income anymore. Now, I explain why the patch and the changelog do not say the same
thing. The components of our package repositories are taken from Ubuntu and modified for Linux Mint. This special package comes with a patch that changes the Banshee URL to a Canonical URL. What do we do compared to Ubuntu? Modify the patch by replacing the Canonical URL with our own.
It seems to me that there is nothing more to say. Linux Mint is taking something that Banshee does not want. All the fuss that was raised in OMGUbuntu the only thing that tells me is that they tried to discredit Linux Mint without knowing the true causes of the change in the code, which for me are more than clear. The funny thing is that the income obtained so far does not exceed $ 4 according to Clem, that is, we are not talking about millions of dollars, far from it.
I see it in the following way. If I take a package, add my things to it and do not violate any license, why do I have to let someone else take the proceeds? In any case -speaking of Banshee- if I wanted, they would be divided between the application developers and myself. Why would i have Linux Mint to give a part to Ubuntu that in addition, you are already earning yours also with the same application?
As well said after Clem:
Let me say this in a very clear way (no secrets):
If we find any source of income in Linux Mint, which is generated by our users, we take control.After that, I have no problem entering into alliances and sharing the revenue, but don't expect us to see a Canonical affiliate tag and say "oh yeah that's fine, we're not going to fix that." It has nothing to do with Linux Mint so it will be replaced or removed.
And I my dear friends, I agree 100%.
It's good that they wrote a post about this, I was expecting it in fact, I knew they could clarify the story for me ... since I read the news on other blogs, something told me that an explanation was missing. Thanks for your dedication!
You're welcome antolieztsu:
The problem is that it bothers me that now everyone is saying that LinuxMint has betrayed, that LinuxMint does things in secret and blah blah blah. I really don't see anything wrong with all this ... Maybe I'm wrong.
elav <° Linux:
No, you are not wrong, you are right, in a way it is sad but comments are taken from who they come.
What are there places where this issue has been treated tendentiously and even with very bad temper? True ... but it is smart people to sift through the good and the bad, and I'm sure those of us who have more than two fingers in the forehead will avoid them from now on.
What they do is not illegal, although unethical, at least from my point of view.
+100
Let's see….
I am not a user of Ubuntu or Mint. I have nothing personal against any, nor against its users. But here, I think both communities have fallen quite ugly. First, the Mint people can't give excuses like that, it's like saying "it doesn't matter having changed the line that sent the money to the banshee because it didn't work…." or, "It doesn't matter if we have that if we have made a total of 4 dollars ..." as if they had known it was going to be like that from the beginning. People are not stupid. Better they admit their mistake, total here the money did not have to go to Ubuntu, it was enough to send it all to the banshee or reach an agreement. That was the ethical and the honest. Justifying makes them worse.
On the other hand, the OMG! Ubuntu (which seems to be trying to represent the whole community) also fall ugly, it is as we say in my country, they do the "chopped", publishing the news in a biased way and with a clear intention to harm the very badly called "rival".
All this reminds me this reflection that I read once (on an excellent site by the way) where it shows that these rivalries are the main stumbling block to the real progress of Linux-based community systems.
That's my opinion about it, and, well, sorry about the manuscript ... hehehe
regards
Where is it that ethics does not come into play here? I still can't see it.
Well, from my point of view Linux Mint should have reported what it was doing, that would have saved all the drama and should have coordinated with the Banshee project. I saw him with good eyes, but let's say that now the love is not the same. (That from my way of seeing life, there will be those who think differently).
What was considered "bad milk" according to the law is while the resources that Ubuntu receives through Bansee are shared between the two (although most of it goes to canonical) in Mint it is not like that, keeping 100% of the money (be it $ 4 or $ 4000000, it doesn't matter).
Of course they did not violate any license or commit something illegal, they were only selfish and opportunistic (that is the criticism that has been made and no other, as far as I know)
Greetings.
Taking money from developers and donations is not unethical, so give me the money it makes DesdeLinux in terms of advertising and salaries, or what you are working on, because that is ethical according to your point of view. It's one thing to make a fork and develop your own applications, but mint is blatantly stealing Ubuntu every semester and patching some things. Let them develop based on Debian to see if the distro lasts a year, for me they should burn Mint and Ubuntu. In my opinion I prefer Debian (stable, comfortable and free).
Something that runs through my head a lot is:
Because canonical is branded as "Profit" with the SL (such as the observation they made regarding its contribution to the Linux kernel and the economic benefits it perceives from it) at the first opportunity and when they took out these little things from Clem, everyone turned a corner and wanted to stop the news as much as possible. that they could, waiting for an explanation "reasonable" (read with a lot of sarcasm please)?
Canonical contributes, not much, but it does. My question is: the Linux Mint guys do anything for GNU / Linux?
"My question is: do the Linux Mint guys do anything for GNU / Linux?"
Are you kidding, Perseus, or are you just ignorant? Well, seeing as you use Opera, which is proprietary software, and Ubnuntu (how the success of Mint stings them) ...
Does it seem little to you to develop the most used distro to date, no matter how much the "canonics" fuck? And if you are going to say that Mint is based on Ubuntu, save it, the proof that they are going different ways is what Clem has done: wait for Canonical to crash with Unity and come up with a much better alternative, so much so that Canonical have borrowed the Mint Gnome Shell Extensions, to say the least.
On the subject of this post, it sounds like a torpedo launched from "somewhere" to try to undermine the enormous success that Mint is having. Those who at this point still have doubts about the legality of obtaining income with free software, read for a while before saying nonsense, starting with the 4 laws, ok?
That's what I meant… Never better said ^^
Aliana, forgive me but I think you missed him. Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu , the proof? ALL Linux Mint upstream is Ubuntu. That they use another shell is another thing. In fact the Banshee code modified by Linux Mint comes from the upstram, Ubuntu, and the modified line is from Banshee, not Canonical.
It surprises me that you consider Linux Mint to be the most used distribution only because in the last 12 months DistroWatch has been joined by Linux Mint users in greater numbers. It certainly marks a growth in its mass of users. And it is well deserved that they have it because in times of change like this one for GNOME, where since GNOME 3 the classic desktop has almost been killed, they knew how to keep offering what everyone still wants; but the same Clement in comments of 2 months ago has said that Ubuntu is still the most used. We are talking about the last 12 months, but the previous ones?
Regarding the Linux Mint movement. I think that it is logical to modify the code in order to have a share in the profits generated by Linux Mint users when using the store.
Now, the way they chose to do it is reprehensible. It is because, in the first place, Banshee has agreements with record companies and with Amazon, taking someone else's money without negotiation and without notice is reprehensible. The deal has been uploaded.
It would have been preferable for them to negotiate as Canonical did, to sign agreements where the obligations that Banshee has with its partners are respected and not to alter the code to manage money that is previously compromised by legal ties.
I wonder, How can Clem tell that the modified line had previously been modified by Canonical? I SAY, the line modified by LM clearly refers to Banshee-Amazon. Canonical has profit sharing, you don't need to divert traffic with a URL
The modified line has no reference to Canonical and the modified package comes from Ubuntu.
Now How to say that said URL did not lead anywhere? This Clem said is making us all stupid. How to sustain such an aberration. ¿If the URL did not work, how is it that it generated more than US $ 36.000 of income in the last 3 months of which US $ 9.000 (25% in agreement with Canonical) they were donated to GNOME as agreed. AND, How did you get, according to Clem without any proof, US $ 4 in profit and the URL was not working?
I REPEAT AGAIN, it seems perfect to me that Linux Mint intends to have a participation in profits produced desde Linux Mint by Linux Mint users. Man, it's logical.
The form does not seem correct to me. They should have previously negotiated with whoever has contractual ties to Amazon, Banshee. As Canonical did, good or bad, Banshee accepted and saw his income soar.
Finally, apologizing that it is only U $ S 4 is silly; the way to act is the same.
I say, If Uncle Mark had said that "If Ubuntu users generate income, they will control it", or Canonical had acted as LM without consulting, negotiating, finding out, respecting other people's contracts, what would we be saying?
It seems that the new queen, according to DistroWatch, we must forgive everything, even that she has taken the same, or worse, steps that we have criticized from Canonical / Ubuntu.
regards
Canoni $ oft negotiating does not enter my head
Greetings Martin:
Hombre y Ubuntu is based on Debian, although Ubuntu adds code, packages and modifications, so it remains to be seen if Canonical brings any of its profits to the Debian developers. And I clarify, it's not that they don't, just that I don't know.
I did not know that Banshee has an agreement with record companies and Amazon, of course it must be something logical, but it would be necessary to see what the bases of this agreement are and to what extent Linux Mint violated it. As I said in another comment, we do not know if LinuxMint made any agreement, notice, or call to the Banshee developers regarding the changes that occurred.
It's true, but I highly doubt that Mint developers took a step like this, with money involved, without having considered the consequences or without having studied the legal requirements.
Did you visit the URL? Because in effect it gives me an error. If Ubuntu and Gnome currently generate income with Banshee I don't think it is this way. Assuming it is, then right now no one is earning anything. Based on Clem's argument, they just replaced something that doesn't work. Voucher. Looking at it from a point of view let's say that the form was not correct, but I repeat that nobody here knows what really happened or what steps were previously taken before modifying the code. If I remember correctly Clem even apologized in OMGUbuntu's own article.
Greetings elav:
If so, but not necessarily Canonincal must share profits, unless Debian profits from certain software and Ubuntu must respect this reality when using it. In any case, the situation would be the same for Linux Mint Debian Edition if Debian profited from certain software. Which we do not know, at least I have not read that Debian gets money this way. If it did, it would not be bad and ALL derived distributions will have to adjust account in case of using such software.
Following the criterion that Ubuntu should share profits with the upstream, LM should do so with Ubuntu. Clearly NO, except in special cases where there are links to respect like this one.
Exactly.
As I said in another comment, we do not know if LinuxMint made any agreement, notice, or call to the Banshee developers regarding the changes that occurred.
Yes, I agree, but I think Clement would have said it from the start, and not how he did it. It should be noted that Clem announced something akin to a settlement in his last statements when the charges (some meaningless) were too strong and NOT at the beginning when he had "exploded." Even where the bomb went off, it wasn't OMG! Ubuntu! but a German forums Clem has clarified it.
If when the news came out (by analysis of the code, even the changelog says something) Clem had said: "Guys, this was done like this, because we have negotiated such a thing with Banshee." Who could say something? It would mark a respect for others and a transparency that we should highlight. But it didn't happen.
Also, if there had been an agreement in this regard, I think it is reason to announce it. This way, LM users will know that by buying music (not all of them are without DRM, hence the agreements) they will be collaborating with the financing of LM.
Hello and welcome Aliana,
First of all, ask you to please, do not insult okay 😉
The fact of using Ubuntu or Opera is not enough to give an opinion about a person or not.
Without the intention of entering into a discussion, I would like what concept you have to "develop", because as far as I know, they take almost everything done (either by Debian or Ubuntu) and add Artwork, some applications made by themselves (which by the way, they are NOT bad at all) and now, some plugin for Gnome3, excuse me but for me that is not developing 🙁
For the record, I try to be as objective as possible, Ubuntu is not the best example of "development", at least from MY point of view, which of course ... does not have to be the same as yours or anyone else's, either it has to be the right one 😀
Greetings and really, from the heart, welcome to the site 😀
If you have ever entered Malcer's blog in your life, you will have realized that he is a man, as long as he is the same person.
Plus it's on the other side of the screen old man, so don't dream
Courage for God !! Find yourself a girlfriend, a boyfriend, whatever you want .. but please, be happy little boy !!
Old chew:
http://ext4.wordpress.com/2011/10/08/acerca-de-las-palabras-de-stallman-sobre-la-muerte-de-steve-jobs/#comment-7186
And yes, I am condemned to be unhappy (more than it would be with a girlfriend because it would ruin her life), I can see the EMO thing coming
Hahahaha EMO
I don't like anyone, not like you like a certain Debian user, that's worse
Well sandy you are going to forgive me, calling someone ignorant is not an insult and even more knowing that we are all ignorant. Be careful not to defend or support you, but an insult would be for example:
Call Courage Gay, Fagot, Homosexual, Emo.
I can understand the Emo thing even though I'm a metalhead, but gay?
Go read
To see if you clarify old
My articles on psychology, the fucking label that you put in the comments is worth nothing
The fact that the best performing distro on my computer is mint is enough to earn my gratitude and respect.
And as for the other, I think they should have warned the banshe team, if they didn't, but that's the only mistake I think they made.
PS: if you are looking for the perfect distribution you will not find it
But keep something in mind. Don't you think the Banshee people don't know that the link Clem shows is down? Apparently this is the link that comes in the code to generate the income from Banshee.
Gentoo and Slackware are perfect
Debian * - *
KISS is missing
@Courage: Here you go, Debian + KISS:
http://postimage.org/image/s4v32t91j/
Best? 😛
YES / YES
Hahahaha
Define "perfect" 😀
What may be perfect for you may not be perfect for me or others ... and vice versa 😀
KISS = You don't install blowjobs you don't need
Cycling (Slackware) = Stability for servers
Rolling (Gentoo) = Don't have to reinstall
He has the balls that an Archer does the toli ...
Man What if they contribute? Possibly the same as Canonical or even, for the end user, I would say more. It gives us the alternative of having a much better product than Ubuntu, and an experience for the user that is much more pleasant. If what you call a contribution is to offer code, program and improve, they also do it, although to a lesser extent. You cannot compare LinuxMint (which are a few developers) with Canonical which is a whole company. In fact, I do believe that Canonical contributes very little to what it really represents. I don't know, that's my point of view.
I don't know where to get what you say, it is well known (except for the ubiquitous) that Canoni $ oft wants to make a monopoly with his Hasecorp system by charging a pasture for his system.
These acts are what Winbuntu is criticized for, that Mark $ huttlegates does not want to take the community into account with his magic phrase "this is not a democracy" is a clear example, apart from the fact that I read that there were parts closed in the Winbuntu code but since they have money because there are no laws against them.
If I find that article I will give you the link
At least they have a community and they pretend to help, not like the ones in Winbuntu
PS: The Windows thing is because yesterday I loaded the hard drive of the computer that has Arch to hosts
Hahahahaha that happens to you for using that Archsquerosity hahahaha
It wasn't for that, I had been fucking ass for a long time
Install Debian in Expert Mode 😀
Well, since I didn't buy the hard drive, it seems to me that it's dodgy, besides that Debian is like a blonde hottie, a good distro but that's not what I'm looking for tiresome
HAHAHAJAJAJAJAJA +100.
+ 1 !!!!!
Mint takes 95% of the work done, they only add details and nothing more ... from my point of view, it contributes less than Ubuntu ¬¬
What do you know about Mint when you never bothered to use it? Chu chu .. go correct your bugs in Arch that you don't know anything about this .. 😛
Well, you have failed super Debian HAHA
But what are you talking about, vermin? Using Windows hurts you .. Winbuntoso .. When has Debian failed me?
Sure, that's why you've opened posts about "Fix X in Debian"
And the Windows thing, I hope to end it soon
Winbuntoso? Nobody has the right to use that word against me since I don't use Winb, sorry Ubuntu
As long as super Debian doesn't fail your little friend, nothing happens, right? LOL
I say that we should not take this to fight Mint users and Ubuntu users (ubiquitous, canonical or whatever they want), both distros after all start from Debian. We should better form a community and benefit from it. A code error happens to even the best programmer.
In something you are right, they should not fight each other, but in short, the human being is like that and will always try to defend what he believes is his. 🙂
+1
«The brothers be united, because that is the first law. May there be true union at whatever time it is; because if siblings fight ...
… The outsiders devour them »
Martin Fierro.
Hello guys, I am writing you my opinion on the subject (actually, I sent it last night, but it seems that with the problems of the site it was not received, ... 🙁 it does not matter)
Let's see ... I'm not a user of Ubuntu or Mint. I have nothing against these distributions, nor their users. However, I think in this case, both "communities" fall quite ugly. In the first place, the Mint people cannot explain what happened that way, say something like "It doesn't matter having changed that line that sent the money for the banshee, because they totally had the link bad ..." or "it doesn't matter. Even having done this, total, they have earned only 4 dollars ... »as if they had known they were going to win that from the beginning. That is wanting to tease. The correct, ethical and honest thing is to recognize the error and amend it, not justify yourself in such a childish way. They are worse. Obviously, we are not going to burn them at the stake or look down on the work they have done at Mint, but as community leaders they are pretty badly off and that only casts doubt on their way of thinking and values.
Now in relation to the OMG! Ubuntu, we must remember that they are not the Ubuntu community, they are just a news portal (although they try to give them as champions defending the distribution ...). Their attitude is also very bad, because they only seem to be motivated by, as we say in my country, being "stung" by the results of their "competitors", thereby posing the article in a biased way and with clear bad intention. Very ugly too.
All this makes me remember thisopinion where the author considers that one of the reasons that harm the overcrowding of Linux-based systems is the rivalry that exists between users from different communities. And today we have seen an unfortunate demonstration of that.
Sorry for the manuscript hehehe ...
regards
Hello guys, I am writing my opinion on the subject (actually, I sent it last night, but it seems that with the problems of the site it was not received ... 🙁 it does not matter)
Let's see ... I'm not a user of Ubuntu or Mint. I have nothing against distros, or their users. However, I think in this case, both "communities" fall quite ugly. In the first place, the Mint people cannot explain what happened in that way, say something like "It doesn't matter having changed that line that sent the money for the banshee, because they totally had a bad link ..." or "it doesn't matter. Even having done this, total, they have earned only 4 dollars ... »as if they had known that from the beginning. That is wanting to tease. The correct, ethical and honest thing is to recognize the error and amend it, not justify yourself in such a childish way. They are worse. Obviously, we are not going to burn them at the stake or look down on the work they have done at Mint, but as community leaders they are pretty badly off and that only casts doubt on their way of thinking and values.
Now in relation to the OMG! Ubuntu, we must remember that they are not the Ubuntu community, they are just a news portal (although they try to give them as champions defending the distribution ...). Their attitude is also very bad, because they only seem to be motivated by, as we say in my country, being "stung" by the results of their "competitors", thereby posing the article in a biased way and with clear bad intention. Very ugly too.
All this reminds me of this opinion ( http://www.alternaria.tv/2007/07/si-existen-virus-que-afectan-linux-pero.html ) where the author considers that one of the reasons that harm the massification of Linux-based systems is the rivalry that exists between users from different communities. And today we have seen an unfortunate demonstration of that.
Sorry for the manuscript hehehe ...
regards
I totally agree with you brother. These senseless rivalries are what hurt us the most, if we have enough with the attack of these companies because we have to fight among ourselves instead of working for and for our growth. Regards.
Miguel you are right U_U but we forgot something: Nobody really knows if the guys at Mint communicated any of this to the Banshee developers, if they consulted with them or something like that. That is, we are speaking by what we "know." Maybe LinuxMint wanted to take the money secretly as they say, but maybe not. I think we shouldn't go to extremes because if every modification made to a code needs to be notified via a blog or something like that, developers would spend more time writing articles than programming. Also, from what I could read, the changes were reported in a ChangeLog.
I totally agree, you cannot report every notification. In this case, what I think is more important is: the Banshee people, who in this case would be the most affected, have they said something about it? Has the code change offended you? If their link for donations is broken, it will be for something… they will not worry too much and, as you said, we do not know if they were really warned or not, but still I do not think it is ethically wrong.
Exactly, it is Banshee who has to complain in any case and even so, the LinuxMint have not done anything illegal 🙂
Totally agree elav ... no one was directly there to see what really happened .... For the same reason I am not saying that they have been stealing or worse, because it is not necessarily so…. I only criticize the way of initially responding to the matter, trying to lower the profile of something that could have been much worse. Anyway, mr. Lefebvre in the original OMG post! Ubuntu has written the following:
[…] I made a mistake, I regret it, I apologized to a lot of people, including my team, and we worked hard together to make sure religion, politics, etc .. had no place anywhere in Mint.
I understand the fact that what I did alienated some people and so I'm telling you. If you don't use Mint or tell people not to use it because of the mistake I made, that's fine I guess. But don't be thinking Mint doesn't welcome Israeli users, donors, developers… that's not true. […]
At least man has recognized the error. In any case, I repeat that for this reason one cannot condemn people to the stake or dirty the work of many, as he wants to strain us underneath. Sneddon with the article in question, as Lefebvre says on the Mint forum, that's called FUD. And doing FUD against another distribution is wrong.
regards
Exactly, that is what I was commenting on to Martin ..
Great, that's what elav told me about Clem's apologies, I hadn't read them since the OMG link wasn't there until yesterday.
What he has done seems fantastic to me, admitting a mistake is male.
That if it proves that things have not been done well.
I hope that LM does not continue to miss the opportunity he has in front of him, he has everything but is not encouraged.
I am talking about not focusing so much on a handful of extensions for a Shell that is not designed to do what LM wants and on a fork like Mate that, with a highly commendable purpose, can imply technological stagnation and focus on your own Shell with compiz , which will surely not be harshly criticized and which, according to LM's vision, will be able to offer the traditional interface with Compiz but with GNOME 3 in the background.
Regards!
Tururú, I'm late and I don't understand anything at all xD
At first, I don't use banshee and my music is from Jamendo o3 or annually I donate something to my artists (the Christmas bonus, you know: B)
BUT ... Well ... the way I see it, it is not so much what Mint and Clement did or did not do, but how the news spread, which apparently were Ubu-fans who wanted to disparage Mint, and personally that I see a thousand times worse than what MInt did to Banshee.
Now ... why so much drama? Can't someone go to Banshee's site and ask the show's staff? or something like that? I mean, if I cared so much about this, then I would do it myself, but I don't want to get into dramas so ... Because from what I understand it is also that Banshee has not said a peep, and if he said it it was the fact that he cared two cucumbers what they do with that address.
I don't think that what Mint did was unethical either, but if it was a lack of courtesy not to ask Banshee if that is the case of what you wave about with the profits. I mean ... they told me that if no one wants something, it's nice to ask if one can take it ...
BUT AS I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THESE THINGS, my words are unnecessary: B
XD damn, I was too late ...
I keep the best notes of this post: @martin, @arturo molina, @lucas matias, @ eduard2
As for the others, I am sorry to have hurt your self-esteem towards the shirt of your favorite distribution ... (At some point the issue was about seeing which is the best distribution?)
Without a doubt, we are all ignorant, some of us try not to be so ignorant, and to achieve it, a good start would be to do without fanaticism
What a soap opera is armed, let's see how the story ends: S
In Sálvame or in Ana Rosa's program
No xD, this will be solved at the Ferris wheel on the weekend XD
It's called here "Laura in America" XD
Somehow I imagined Laura shouting "MAKE IT HAPPEN" and Clement going out the door xD hahahahahaha ~
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
This is silly. It is evident that now that the popularity of one distribution has diminished, Ubuntu, and that another, based on it, Mint, has surpassed it, the dirty war of smear is going to begin.
With amazement I see the uproar that has been made, bigger than the supposed betrayal that the Mint have done, which I at least do not see anywhere.
I would like to share some comments that I made yesterday in Muy Ubuntu ... sorry! Very Linux ...
This is a snippet that summarizes my position on the matter:
1.- Clement made a very serious mistake? Yes. But I clarify that this I affirm in the past bull ...
2.-Did you act dishonestly? I don't think so, however it was very rude of him not to have warned the people of Banshee about such a change. I see the matter more as a protocol of courtesy than honesty. Of course the matter seems more serious than it is because it is about money, but I don't think Clement's primary thought was “Come on! Let's change the URL to rob Banshee. " In my comments, I even consider this irrelevant, because everyone can interpret the situation however they want: FOR SOME IT IS A THIEF AND FOR OTHERS NOT and it is very difficult to objectively verify and deny one or another position because Clement's true intentions can be suspected but the only he really knows. And even if he tells the truth, the same thing will continue to happen: SOME WILL BELIEVE HIM, OTHERS WILL NOT, and they will continue to beat him with obvious bad temper.
3.-Did Sneddon take advantage of Clement's serious blunder to stop the streak of good press that Linux Mint had? But of course! If Clement himself, involuntarily, put the rope around his neck by himself ... such an opportunity does not present itself daily. And once the tree has fallen, we are going to make firewood!
4.-That Canonical's marketing department is already thinking about how to get the most out of the situation? I do not doubt it. You have to see that Ubuntu is handled like the product of a company (Canonical) and even has its own corporate identity manual and an area that manufactures and markets promotional items.
5.- Is Clement, from my point of view, a saint who must be defended to the death? No! I would like, like many, that those principles of ethics and morals that are now proclaimed from OMG really govern the work of GNU / Linux but they are not. Within all this there are personal and corporate interests that fight for the market segments and in all this even the policemen are half as sinners and thieves are half as saints.
regards
Without a doubt, your comments are among the best I've read ... a pleasure, really a pleasure to read you 🙂
Greetings and keep it up 😀
Old man, I just sent you a little message
Excellent comment U_U
By your own logic, then it is legitimate to modify the part of the source code where the Banshee credits appear and put my name on them.
+1000
Very ugly Perseus .. huh? Ugly. You speak of the fanaticism of many here, but you seem like a little animal wounded by all this .. Is Ubuntu hurting you? LOL
Na, if you knew friend that now I'm on CrunchBang and send Ubunchu on vacation (not because I don't like it, it's just that it's never good to cling to things too much), hahahaha It is always good to know new places and destinations. So we broaden and forge our criteria, don't you think?
Perhaps the only thing I could "fanatic" is with "Linux" 😛
By answering your question, I only show my disagreement towards Clem and his "Actions", against LinuxMint I have nothing against.
PS: If I start wondering in the forum about Debian and OpenBox, don't be mortified 😛
PD2: Now it turns out that using being an ubuntu user is equivalent to being a fanatic-taliban ¬_¬
Is that the number of ubunto (Ubuntu fans) is higher than all the fans of all other existing distros together
Welcome Pepe:
I'm not saying it, they are said by the 4 laws / freedoms or whatever you want to call it Free Software ...
regards
Hey @elav, not in the mood to troll, but aren't you confusing the concept of freedom?
Freedom does not equal debauchery. Freedom is compliance with laws or regulations. Libertinism is synonymous with anarchy.
You are contradicting yourself, if they are laws, they have to be respected, or not? Or are we also going to handle these matters with double standards?
Free software freedoms
0.- the freedom to use the program, for any purpose.
1.- the freedom to study how the program works and modify it *, adapting it to your needs.
2.- the freedom to distribute copies of the program, with which you can help your neighbor.
3.- the freedom to improve the program and make those improvements public to others, so that the whole community benefits.
* When modifying a program licensed as free software, copyright is preserved, which means that it is not valid to alter the credits of the program.
Banshee does not benefit at all from all this. From my point of view, the only benefit here was the mint team, and the rest of the community? If they need money, then ask for it and that's it. Even larger projects have done it and the community has always responded in an excellent way (ex: Wikipedia).
What is claimed from Clem is the avarice he demonstrated as well as lack of honesty. If they had shared the profits, few or none, from the beginning, no one on the web would be talking about the matter, I failed the: "Do not do good things that seem bad" ¬_¬.
In the world of FLOSS, projects are supported by donations and "good intentions"If not ideal, this is what makes it great and sets it apart from proprietary software. Do you think that Banshee or any other project could be self-sufficient if the voluntary contributions that the community gives it are taken away?
Personal note: The most curious thing is that Clem is following in the footsteps of Canonical, who does not care about the community, but beware, the big difference is that Ubuntu belongs to a company, but Linux Mint belongs to the community, a community that has lacked respect ...
Excellent reflection http://ur1.ca/6m5lj
Martin's initial opinion is, in my opinion, the most accurate. I share with each of your points.
Hopefully, for the good of all, learn from mistakes and not repeat this type of lapses by this excellent distribution.