I'm going to give you my humble opinion on the debate that always takes place about changing the look and "updating" of the LibreOffice user interface.
From my personal opinion the interface should not be changed, I cannot find why to change the paradigm of use of an application which has been a standard for office applications for a long time.
The reason I enclose "update" is because as a result of the release of Micro $ oft Office 2007 and its change in the appearance of its user interface, it made the menu-based graphical interfaces and toolbars look somewhat like something old.
Although, who sees the vim interface as old and outdated? What would you say if vim changed to "update" and moved closer to the nano interface? It is an absurd comparison but it is well known that the productivity of vim.
So why change something that has always been like this and is productive? Besides that it would cost to learn again. If you want to change the interface whenever you find an option to return to the menus as in Firefox, when they made the menu in a single button.
What from my point of view should change is the integration with the operating system, the integration with GTK + and with KDE at the interface level is good, without reaching excellent due to the fact of the set of icons, being able to use the same icons for the rest of the system.
Regarding the integration with LibreOffice people, in Firefox I do not use it but it is good that we have the freedom to customize the program to our liking.
And so far my opinion about it.
Amen!!
Completely agree with you!
Well, my opinion is that they have to do something, and not only improve the integration with the desktop, which is a great idea, but also provide it with an interface in which, while maintaining the toolbar system, better use of space and in which the icons are more organized by function than in a simple strip.
If not; Take a good look at the top right all the space that is free, yes, you can add the buttons you want, but in a very unglamorous way.
I think they should do something.
PS: The subject of people, firefox style, well ... I'm not a designer or anything like that but I suppose that more than one would commit suicide when seeing it.
I know they are limitations of GTK, but the issue of integrating the save, undo, ... buttons in the title bar has always seemed like a very good way to take advantage of the space and dedicate a space to specific tasks, if you do not observe the progress what is being done thanks to granite (from elementary os)
This is not a mockup (or however it is written)
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-quxjWqlSZAI/UO5-2yl-b0I/AAAAAAAAA9E/VWFu8JeTMN8/s1278/Screenshot+from+2013-01-09+06%3A15%3A25.png
We are 3 agree with him 😛 It is preferable to use icons + GTK / Qt theme than to use People (kill the one with the idea…).
But it sure was easier to implement or was behind the programmer's girlfriend telling him that she would like to put a picture of the two of them together.
PS: Sorry, I have been somewhat macho
no, it has been perfect xD
+1 xD
Without entering into discussions, and wanting to contribute something constructive guys I have made a new Libreoffice Mockup, please take a look at it, although I would like you to include it in an article.
http://andrex80.deviantart.com/art/LibreOffice-4-0-Mockup-Emotion-348295830?ga_submit=10%3A1358093309
http://andrex80.deviantart.com/art/LibreOffice-4-0-Mockup-Emotion-348295116
I like very much!
I agree to take the option menus and different features to a side dock since it makes a lot of sense with the wide monitors that we use today, if we used those that are used in Mac for design for years it would make more sense to move them to a top position.
What doesn't quite convince me is the "plastic" look that the upper and lower left edges have, almost like the ergonomic interface of a "gadget" instead of a software system.
Personally I like sharper and more defined lines with sharp angles, in fact the design trend for some time is precisely with aggressive straight lines and sharp angles.
If you look at what the new KDE 4.10 look is going to be you will find a big difference between the current "Air" motif which is rounded and full-bodied and the new straight-edged, flat-bodied motif.
NoooooooooooooooooOOOOOoOoOoOoOoOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!
Sorry, I overreacted. It is that for me, who work a lot with applications like this, the question is productivity. I want something that makes me productive and productivity (at least at my job) is time. These new "nice" designs like the M $ ones are not at all productive. They waste a lot of time. Your mockup looks pretty, but that's my opinion (although the colors could be improved).
That's true. I can attest that you are correct. Take for example Blender, completely off-topic, but Blender up to version 2.4 was very, very productive. Shabby and gruesome, but productive. In version 2.5 all users of this software had a bad taste in their mouths due to the big change, it really is a shame. But over time, I've gotten used to it.
I love the mockup, but a suggestion the finger-friendly vertical menu would like ICONS - ideograms - nested, in 3 × 3 arrays with one of them to go back and up to 7 or 8 options and the other side for the that use Unity or any other vertical dock on future tablets and phones running ubuntu or other Linux that I hope will come out, have the vertical applications dock on the right and the finger-friendly vertical dock menu on the other side of the screen , both hidden and released when needed.
Thank you very much for your work, I hope you have been convinced by my contributions to improve the idea that we share of a vertical menu in the form of a dock with finger-friendly icons.
I made a mockup with Gtk 3
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But the LibreOffice interface is based on the VCL libraries. Too bad I couldn't find a VCL tutorial. I asked the LibreOffice guys but they don't have an API
WOW, did you already post them on the LO list? As much as they have an undeniable influence of Mac - if we are to the case like all GNOME - they are simply incredible, the first two are the ones I liked the most, the first screams USABILITY from the rooftops, with a lot of contrast and a clean interface, and the second, it simply exudes elegance.
Ferpect.
You were able to run the little program, it's easy to download it and run it. Doing a double click on the program. But you need to have GNOME 3.6 and a 64-bit architecture
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I'm with Charles Schultz from LibreOffice and his team but this code is useless because it is written in Gtk 3.6.
LibreOffice programmers use the VCL libraries.
I asked Michael Meeks from VCL for the API but they don't have any API. They can only make the change if they want. If you find a tutorial of the VCL Libraries let me know, it is the only way to press them to create a new graphical interface.
I would love that if for any problem, they changed the program to improve the interface, to compete but not make a fork more because although this way they have come out excellent alternatives in the long run the usual computer users get confused, a program which They should change it would be abiword, it is supposed to be the gnome text editor, they would not have to start from the beginning and it is GTK.
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About VCL according to wikipedia it is pascal's OOP and I suppose that searching in google there are results, but it is dolphin for windows, I don't know anything about that topic :(.
The Microsoft "Ribbon" seems to me _ very successful_ the same as the Unity HUD, although in very different situations.
Ribbon makes it stupidly easy to find the option or feature we are looking for through contextual, dynamic and well-defined menus with icons and titles for people who have never previously used the application - with the possibility of creating shortcut icons to the most used options. It is a goal from half the court. On the contrary, with the traditional menu system one can spend a long time diving in nested menus until finding the feature that you need many times in places where we would never have thought to look.
It must be borne in mind that the menu usage paradigm is approximately 20 years old and although it was a good option in its beginnings, today it presents the symptoms of age since it is not the same to use an application that had a few options and submenues than, for example, LibreOffice.
A new paradigm of use is needed.
The HUD on the other hand is extremely versatile when we know in advance the option we are looking for.
I used systems of all kinds since I was a kid like Timex Sinclair, Sinclair Spectrum, Commodore 64, MSX and MSX2 and Atari 810XL, briefly the first Apple Macintosh with built-in floppy drive and graphic monitor, OS2 Warp far above, XT with amber monitor -the monitors of Green phosphor were fading when I started with the 8086-, 286 with Hercules and then SVGA, 386, Pentium, adjusted the head azimuth to load the cassette programs and used tons of 5'1 / 4 and 3'1 / 2 floppies before having my first 40 meg HD.
The traditional menu as we know it will eventually disappear, although it would be convenient for it to remain as a fallback option, the reality is that today with the technologies and possibilities that there are, it makes no sense to limit oneself to a way of interacting with the old software when there are superior alternatives .
But hey, saving those who are genuinely attracted by the menu system to the rest of the people usually find it very difficult to adapt to new changes and apprehend new and best practices since they never apprehended concepts but to repeat certain actions like automata to achieve a certain end.
Pavlov must be feasting on the average computer user of 2013>: D
I share what was said in the article, an application that is used for work must have a sober graphic, if we want it to show off, because we decorate it, each one chooses the aspect they want to have, for that are the options.
What if I wanted to know and someone explains how to do it, is to have the KDE interface and not Gnome in LibreOffice 3.6
I am open to learn.
"I share what was said in the article, an application that is used for work must have a sober graphic"
Note that MacOS is not only used for PROFESSIONAL work but also has a particularly attractive graphics which does not take away from usability [0] or productivity. In fact, the Mac has been a leader in the graphics and multimedia industry for many years. On the other hand Windows 7 has been embellished with respect to its previous versions in addition to bringing a new taskbar paradigm which has not taken away from usability or productivity - I would say that rather the opposite.
I don't understand why usability and productivity collide with beauty: p, the best communion example of these concepts in the F / LOSS world is KDE SC.
"If we want it to show off"
Sure, as there are many who boast of using FWM or IceWM or WindowsManagers really dark - and very ugly - in terms of how spartan and complicated to configure they are.
There is everything my friend 🙂
"Well, we decorate it, everyone chooses the look they want to have, that's what the options are for."
And in this field GNU / Linux is unmatched, power to the users !!!
The possibility of decoration or adaptation of a Windows environment is a joke, that of a Mac is non-existent (change of wallpaper and position of the dock? Graphite for aqua? XD)
"What if I wanted to know and someone explained how to do it, is to have the KDE interface and not Gnome in LibreOffice 3.6"
It's complicated because LibreOffice is JAVA - yeah, ugly as it sounds.
A while ago Kaza made a post about how to better integrate LibreOffice into KDE SC but I can't find it, I suggest you check the blog archive.
Health!
Although it is hard to accept for some of you, Ribbon is one of the things that Microsoft has done well, if it does not come from elsewhere.
Now, I do not want to sound heavy or anything, but I think that in a post it should not apply for example Micro $ oft, it is only a suggestion. Although many of us find it fun to write Güindous, Winbugs, Micro $ oft or Microshit XD, in a serious post it would not be the best option. It's just a suggestion. You have to call things by their name.
Now, both the interface change, the use of people or the better integration and the change of icons seem excellent to me, but let them decide to see which one.
I adhere, that in the comments the company is named disparagingly, go and go but naming it that way in any article makes it automatically lose category.
In addition, disqualifying the company using the $ sign instead of the letter 's' is silly, Microsoft IS A COMPANY, NOT A CHARITY ASSOCIATION and as such its main and last purpose is to generate dividends to its shareholders, it is the only reason why and for which the company exists, like the rest of the millions of companies of all kinds around the world: generate economic revenue.
In any case, we can say that Microsoft is a company with shady business practices -at least-, that its operating systems today are not technologically on par with GNU / Linux or BSD, that it seeks to generate a captive audience, which when it discovers companies with Innovative technologies seek to buy them and dismantle said companies by absorbing their resources and in most cases wasting them, which seems to have a tacit pact with the computer (in) security industry to make vulnerable software by design, as the letter was made public. in which Agnitum Software scolded Microsoft about the security of its new Vista system and urged it to balance its products to prevent an entire sector of the computer industry from disappearing ...
Financially, Microsoft is also a mediocre company, just look at its stock history, which is riddled with peaks and valleys, while Apple's is a little painting on the rise - or was while Jobs ran it.
Also, did anyone see Ballmer give his famous lectures? The guy comes in snorting, shouting -he's missing the cowboy hat and the two colts-, after 5 minutes he is all sweaty with the sweaty shirt that is disgusting, agitated and with a crazy face, a jerk, the people who attended He has a long face and if they celebrate 1 of 5 occurrences or jokes it is a record.
The head of the company says a lot about how the company moves on the inside and Ballmer is one of the nastiest characters in the industry today.
Finally: Microsoft and especially Ballmer were the ones who began to brand GNU / Linux as "communists" around the year 2000, a national danger, something that had to be fought to the death or the economy would implode! They even managed to get a couple of senators fallen from their cot to support them: p
Today Windows Azure offers GNU / Linux servers among its premium services.
How long until Microsoft goes down? Bets are received 😀
I couldn't have written it better.
Now, the fall of Microsoft… I don't know what to think. On the one hand, its Windows operating system is the most used, but on the other hand, 70% of the average users of this system do not pay for its license.
On the one hand, they have Nokia as an ally, but on the other ... Android is present in many other mobiles.
Microsoft has its new operating system launching itself to stardom at CES 2013 as "The new minimalist proposal and optimized for touch devices" but on the other hand, it is offering black screens of badly off on Samsung screens, but if I am not mistaken the person in charge it was Windows 7.
I think the only stable and reliable income for the company is the Xbox and its Halo, which even I like the combination of.
I do not know the truth, Microsoft may fall, but I think it will fall with Windows as the most used operating system.
Heh, "bad shutdown black screens on Samsung screens" My mistake, is "on Sony screens".
And yes, the carefully studied strategy of letting XP pirate and "donate free licenses" of its software packages to academic institutions to create technological dependency + the pantagruélicos agreements with HW producing companies made that even today the vast majority of non-portable equipment they still run Windows and not only that, but on top of that they run XP with IE 6 which means that the company still has a very large insertion in the consumer market.
As for the Xbox… fucking mother, it's too cute !!! Like the Sony PS3, other pirates! xD
I have wanted to buy a console for a long time but I refuse to give my money to either of these two companies 🙁
Hopefully Piston or whatever the future Steam console is called, it won't take long to arrive… a game console running GNU / Linux, Ubuntu more precisely!
Someone pinch me please: D: D: D
Hello guys
Just my personal opinion, Ribbon is a very good idea, but poorly implemented in that sense that it steals a lot of space on the screen, that is, in vertical lines (if they count them, there are 6 lines with widget icons and others, from the menu to the status bar) which in tablets sacrifices the visibility of what is important or the document.
I even apply it in the mockup I apply Ribbon but without sacrificing visibility.
By the way, I share the opinion that productivity and beauty are not incompatible, everything can be improved.
Ok, I'll take it as a suggestion for future posts.
+1 very well said
I agree. There is no need to change the interface. As I mentioned in G +, it is a question of productivity and these changes from, for example, Microsoft, have made me (personally) hate them more and more every day. This last interface of M $ (since they have been talking about it for a long time) what it does is that one wastes a lot of time. I really love the LibreOffice interface as it is and I think it should stay that way. Besides that in Ubuntu it integrates very well with the Global Menu. Hopefully they don't make drastic changes.
With changing the icons and giving it more integration with KDE I am happy, I do not see the need for more changes, I never understood those who ask to change the interface
How about community.
Although I generally agree if I think something needs to be done to give Libreoffice a new look. With the above I do not mean to reengineer it, only if it integrated better to the desktop of your choice. I do not know if it is for reasons of GTK limitations or another technical matter, but if I consider from my personal perspective that the look & feel of the desktop is integrated into the suite.
It is true that the idea of the ribbon is good and also the fact of having menus is also good, I just think it looks a bit dated. The other day looking through my things I found a PC 486SX 33 Mhz, windows 95 and Office 95. The truth when I saw Office 95 Libreoffice came to mind.
In short, the taste is broken into genres.
Sadly, libreoffice is indeed reminiscent of MS Office 2003.
And what is sad about it?
Hello, I very much agree with the comments of msx and Blaire Pascal, things should be named as they are and not with things like "Guindous" or other examples, the post looks bad like this and more when we talk about such important software as LibreOffice.
Regarding LibreOffice, it hurts to admit but the work that Microsoft did with its Ribbon in Office is something very good and easy to use, I would like something similar for LibreOffice because navigating through menus is already a bit old and it is not that people when uses office suites boast of the interface, but it is easier to work when you have more options at hand or nearby, and not displaying new menus.
I see it very well about People, but I still hope a change of interface, and I also would like it not to depend so much on extensions, although this would increase its size, but it is very annoying to have to go downloading extensions to do some things, I do not like Much that philosophy of leaving a soft half and that others take care of other functionalities with extensions.
Offtopic: I love the free and open source software community, even though I almost always use the opposite, but that world always attracts me, that's why I visit this blog a lot 😛
Well, next time I do an op-ed, I'll try naming things by name.
+ 100… According to the article, in my opinion, what they should pay more attention to is to improve the LibreOffice integration and finish polishing its operation, since it still lacks details and functionalities to which they should pay more attention. Ultimately, if they are going to change the user interface, at least leave the option of being able to return to the current interface, so that those of us who are used to it can continue using it; More than a "habit" problem, it is a productivity issue, which would necessarily decrease during the initial stage of the learning curve of the new interface.
I am not an expert on Linux. I see operating systems from the point of view of a user not a programmer. If the work environment is pleasant, productivity
increases. Why do environments have to be black or gray? Microsoft Office is attractive to the eye even if its performance is not optimal. LibreOffice is superior by far but it can also be nice with soft colored icons and modern designs. Everything is getting used to. I was using Office 2003 and
understood perfectly. Ribbon arrived and I did not get used to it. Libreoffice looks like Office 2003 and I don't see it wrong. Everything is getting used to.
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6813/libreoffice.jpg
I totally disagree with the article. Nobody liked the Office 2007 bar when they saw it, least of all those of us who are linuxers. But at work out of obligation I had to use it and honestly it's amazing. It is quite another thing, and all the most used options are much faster. Gorgeous formatting is very easy (create a table and see what options there are, and then tell me).
I love LibreOffice, but those bars need to be changed.
I would vote that Mr. MSX, who made excellent comments in my opinion, write a counter-article to this.
regards
"Nobody liked the Office 2007 bar when they saw it, least of all those of us who are linuxers."
I liked it, I immediately understood the wave and as you say when I started using it it was a hinge, something like going from Windows for Workgroups (Windows 3.11) to W95, what happens is that immediately everyone jumps like boiled milk without even taking a) the time to measure the change and b) the time to try to assimilate the change, both inescapable requirements to judge something objectively.
Then there is the other itch: if it is a Microsoft product then it is berreta-by-design, which is not the case either (be careful, I am the first critic of the company in terms of its operational practices).
It is the same as the putery that occurred a short time ago in Arch's lists when it was decided to adopt systemd as the new PID1 and for more criticism that the devs received they made it clear that after deeply analyzing the decision the change was a fact beyond whims and tantrums of obfuscated users.
Luckily there is new blood that with a bit of luck, under the tutelage of some of the F / LOSS heroes, can gradually demolish myths and paradigms that are considered untouchable to the horror of many prehistoric people! >: - D
I forgot: Windows 8 on touch devices IS THE PUMP, beyond beautician judgments (personally I am in love with Metro) it is really comfortable and flexible, it is WOOOOOW, off the hook, very, very comfortable to use and brings a new dimension to use of tablets or touch devices in general, VERY SUPERIOR TO THE iOS seen on iPads.
Of course, there is a downside: like all MS products, beauty generally refers to the surface 🙁
The first problem is MS is following in the footsteps of Apple and Facebook in closing their platform and creating their own ecosystem, so the "advanced" use of any touch device with Windows 8 is extremely limited - as with any iPad. We can only use such devices as they were intended to be used, no hacking.
The second problem is that under Windows 8 and despite the new kernel and its corresponding API there is the same panorama as always with Microsoft products: a hodgepodge of technology, a Frankeinsoft stuck with mucus (in the best style of Ren & Stimpy, Rocko or Bob Sponge) and on the verge of being blown to pieces at any time inheritance of the company's policy of acquiring third-party technologies that are already developed in advanced stages, throwing it at the engineering departments and ordering them to fit it however they can into the current product as it should be ready in two weeks.
In this aspect Android is insurmountable ... except that it is Java (Dalvik) running on a heavily modified Linux kernel 😛
The good is yet to come: Tizen, FirefoxOS, PlasmaActive 4 (running on Mer, the evolution of MeeGo, 100% SL !!!)
There is a whole future of hacking waiting for us =)
The bad thing about Metro for my taste is that I decide to implement it on the desktop, and many will say that they are parlas of the linuxers who hate Windows, but it simply is not (at least for me) to use it every day on my laptop. If I used Windows I would stick with Windows 7.
But yes, I agree with what you said. For example, the change from Gnome 2 to Gnome 3 (DE and Shell) was very abrupt, although at least I am not very demanding only with metro, but you see, there it has been gradually attracting users since 2011, and for me Gusto is one of the most usable desktop environments there is, just like Unity, criticized to the ground and a lot of blood has been drawn on blogs and forums, but there it also goes from Natty, attracting users and improving with each release. I could name infinite cases, for example KDE 3 to 4, Python 2 to Python 3, the new themes of a very popular page called DesdeLinux 😀 and others, but change is good. I started with Arch late, they already had Systemd, and now I compare installation guides and it seems to me that Systemd has greatly simplified the installation, the daemons at the beginning (although I would have liked to have an rc.conf as the only configuration file) and other things that were for good.
Metro seems excellent, fluid and beautiful, although around there I have hesitated a bit with it, as in the post of the stable desktop and stable distribution hahaha, I do not disgust it (only on the desktop), and the ribbon also seems excellent. Hopefully they implement, not ribbon because it would be another big tantrum, but something more modern than the context menu.
Heh, "Nobody liked the Office 2007 bar when they saw it, least of all those of us who are Linux users." They are absolutely right not to like it, the Microsoft Office 2007 theme was lousy. Everything changed since MS Office 2010, I don't know, as they made everything "cleaner".
"The bad thing about Metro for my liking is that I decided to implement it on the desktop, and many will say that they are parlas of the linuxers who hate Windows, but it simply is not (at least for me) to use it every day on my laptop. If I used Windows I would stay with Windows 7. »
If totally, I do not even want to imagine what it must be to use Windows 8 on a desktop every day, a torture, Metro is exclusively for touch devices.
Unless ... unless it's really comfortable to use Windows 8 on a large desktop or laptop touchmonitor, maybe (I haven't tried it yet) it's really practical to navigate Metro with a wave of the hand, select the desired tile, and turn your hands around. automatically to the resting position on the keyboard.
Maybe it's a great concept, or maybe not, but until I do it personally I can't say how comfortable it is even if my imagination runs wild with the idea.
"Unity, criticized by the floors and a lot of blood has been taken in blogs and forums"
Sancho barks, signal that we advance!
But the change is good. »
Personally, the only change that pleases me is one that provides solutions or new perspectives, even if its benefit is not noticeable at first.
I'm generally quite conservative when it comes to changes, quoting a well-known English saying: "No news, good news."
However if the change brings new airs welcome.
"I started Arch late, they already had Systemd,"
When I made the change to systemd my system had been installed for almost 3 years - now that I think about it it is impressive, a lot of time, wow !, the profound changes that took place in the same system, in the world and in my life and there it continues Arch, bulletproof!
After reading the documentation and countless posts on forums, blogs, and the mailing lists to document and soak up the topic, I hoped that systemd was mature and migrated without problems.
Can you imagine something similar in other distros? Perhaps it is possible although the truth is that I do not know of any case. Yes from servers that are never touched except for the occasional security patch but not on desktops. I <3 Arch Linux!
"the daemons at the start (although I would have liked to have an rc.conf as the only configuration file) and other things that worked for the better."
It was a beautiful man, a waltz - and I don't like ballet. In a clean, clear and tidy /etc/rc.conf you had the whole system set up in just a few steps, it was gorgeous and was one of the reasons I fell in love with Arch's design simplicity.
Although systemd is a monster with a hundred heads compared to the old startup system, the reality is that a) it is very powerful, it can do practically anything, b) it is extremely versatile and flexible, I rarely saw such complex software developments at the same time so practical and clean, it is a gem and c) today I am not going crazy with initscripts after having so much power at my fingertips !!!
The initscripts (including /etc/rc.conf) were a charming, bucolic countryside, mountain or coastal landscape, so much simplicity, so much waste of beauty ...
systemd is a megacity of the future where even the tiles have an IPv6 connection, with all the technological advantages and none of its problems, on the contrary, clean air, huge green spaces and people having a great time
/etc/rc.conf was a Porsche, systemd is a transformer.
"Hopefully they will implement, not ribbon because it would be another big tantrum, but something more modern than the context menu."
At one point there was talk of adapting a kind of tape for LibreOffice - or maybe my memory fails me and it was just a mockup.
As for the tantrum, if the change is for the better, fuck off, because there are a few outdated or comfortable ones, we are not going to stay the rest without enjoying something that is clearly superior.
Obviously, with the adoption of new technologies or paradigms there is an associated learning curve that by the way is increasingly higher the older one is, but if we have to pay attention to technological dinosaurs we would still ride a mobile phone instead of having spaceships .
Again, fuck off.
"Everything changed since MS Office 2010, I don't know, as they did everything" cleaner ".
And, it is logical, think that like any system it is polished over time.
If some changes take years to be implemented in the F / LOSS for X reasons, when there are many developers of all kinds, imagine in a company that has specific agendas and limited resources plus EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS WITHIN A COMPANY
Jueeee, you have the gift of writing, you should start writing analysis and stuff, you're good at it.
I don't know, I think it's more like years of being involved in the subject and that I really know what I'm talking about - and what I don't know I illustrate instead of asking for everything chewed up.
Unfortunately I have developed a certain intolerance to the * mental laziness * that abounds today on the net and certainly to the debauchery into which the supposed liberating freedom of the Internet was transformed where any improvised writes any nonsense and influence to people who are just starting out and want genuinely learn and take such writings, from their ignorance, as truth.
Also, do you know how many times I read or heard the same nonsense repeated over and over again, not only in this area but in general? It is entirely true that most live in a rat race, like the hamster on its wheel.
If msx you should do a counter-article, your comments are too good to be only comments.
@Christopher
Look, I think your article is perfect because through a personal opinion it opens the debate to the concerns and tastes of blog readers.
I disagree with you engineer about the need for a counter article since in the context of this topic it does not make much sense because: 1) it would disperse attention and we would see comments replicated or without responding in each of the articles, 2) this article already has all the attention that the topic deserves, starting with its title that leaves no room for doubt about the content it deals with and 3) I don't think the topic deserves much more attention.
Having a single post is easier to find the opinions expressed and leave your own comments 🙂
I use Libreoffice every day for 2 to 3 hours. It is the program that I use the most without a doubt. I always use it with crlt + alt + j.
So you will understand, the icons is something that does not matter to me a bit, I want to write and to write the best thing is an all white screen and nothing else that can distract me from the text I am doing. If I want an icon I embed it in the top bar of the «full screen and ready» tool panel. I only use one button. The one of "character background" to mark parts of the text that I have to correct, etc.
Conclusion, they put the icons they want. I will continue to use Writer in full screen, I don't want icons, neither the old nor the new.
Greetings, comrades.
I would like the comments to be edited (by the author) I have been super badly written and with many errors. I promise to go over it more next time. Sorry for any errors in the text.
This (edit comments) can still only be done by administrators, not because we want to ... but simply because technically we have not found a way for other users to edit their own comments 🙁
Also to be able to edit the post, I can't find how to edit it after publishing it: \…
I was talking to Michael Meeks from LibreOffice (libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org) ………. I asked him if they had an API for the VCL libraries that LibreOffice uses ……. They answered me no…. They only have little information for new programmers… they gave me this …… .. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/WidgetLayout …… .. in this link it is shown how the VCL libraries are made and work…. http://docs.libreoffice.org/vcl/html/classes.html ..........
the entire interface is based on these libraries …… .. To top it all, the bad thing is that these widgets don't exist in Gtk 3.6 or Qt 4.9 …………
and these libraries are not adapted to work with Gtk3 and Qt 4.9 ………. GTk3 and Qt 4.9 do not have the functions that LibreOffice uses in the interface ……………
You have to rewrite all the VCL libraries to be compatible with Gtk 3.6 or Qt 4.9, it is a huge task …………… But the developers of PYTHON, RUBY, WxWidgets, VALA, etc. for example make their libraries compatible with Gtk 3.6 or Qt 4.9 is a great job but they do it.
It is a very big task to adapt VCL to Gtk 3.6 or Qt 4.9… .but I think it would be worth it.
As everyone takes the water to their mill, I also take it to mine. I do not want a new interface more chipendilerendi or less chupiguay for LibO. I want better features and everything to stay the way it is. Even with its horrible (and minimal) icons. The grace of LibO (and OOA) is that the good is inside. What does Office 95 look like? Hopefully WordPerfect 5.1, or Lotus 1-2-3, that everything was a screen without icons. A menu already running. The mouse and scrolling the screen are a leap back in… productivity. I was going to say evolution, but the metacarpal tunnel has me paralyzed.