After having abandoned Ubuntu two weeks ago because of the tearing that began to provoke me Compiz with MPlayer sometimes and flash, I found myself jumping from distro to distro, from PC Linux OS, debian-sid, Chakra, but of them the only one that I had liked aesthetically and in performance was PC Linux OS. This is where I ran into some problems that I hope PC Linux OS fix some day and that I think are serious:
- PC Linux OS It has old and bugged packages that do not deign to update even if you ask for it: Skype 2.2 in the x64 version, ffmpeg from two years ago and without 10-bit support, VLC that is not capable of playing a mkv, Tomahawk in version 0.3 (He's at 0.6), Spotify at 0.6, two years ago (unusable and crashing).
Finally after reporting these things on the forums PC Linux OS, and being ignored, I got tired of the distro and kept on my search and that's where I remembered Sabayon, a distro that months ago I tried to install on the PC with graphics AMD without result, but now I could try on my pc with NVidia.
I got ready to download the 2 gigs of iso, I recorded it on a pendrive and everything just worked and it was eye candy from the beginning, the drivers of NVidia proprietary started from the beginning, Chromium with flash was present in the iso and something that I value very much, desktop fonts looked good from the beginning (criticizes Debian / Archlinux / OpenSuse / Fedora).
The easy installer, reminded me of Fedora old, in 10 minutes I had the system ready and functional. I liked not having lost the Splash with the NVidia drivers, as if it always happened to me in Ubuntu and I was surprised how it returned GNOME-Shell in this distro, which in no other distro had I noticed so fluid.
The selection of packages is immense, you can find from Spotify in its latest version, to Steam, IDJC, Urban Terror, Tomahawk, both Chrome and Chromiun, VMWare Player, etc, all in the repository without having to be looking in external repositories or go installing with pkgbuilds as in Arch (although you can also use Gentoo ebuilds).
I was also surprised by the ease of updating the Kernel with the drivers of NVidia. Just yesterday I wanted to put the Kernel 3.8.5 and I simply had to install a small package of NVidia that allowed me to make the blob work directly in that kernel as well, without recompiling the module and without the dramas of which I have had many in Ubuntu (things like the driver works in the 3.5 kernel but then not in the 3.6 or vice versa).
I also highlight the default support for UEFI and Optimus laptops, as well as the kernel with bfs patches that give an improved desktop experience.
So I'm convinced I can say that if you like bleeding edge, if you like to be up-to-date, but at the same time stable, have a beautiful environment, easy to handle, update and maintain, as well as easy to install, without having to waste some time, configuring repositories, text files etc, Sabayon, is a distro to take into account.
Hmm ... I'm curious ... What version of KDE do you have?
copy paste from the Sabayon website "GNOME 3.6.2, KDE 4.9.5 (upgraded to 4.10.1 as soon as it is available), Xfce 4.10, LibreOffice 3.6.3"
Thank you ..
That is from the iso from two months ago! As soon as you update it is already there, but there are also the daily isos, let's not mistake the staff!
kde 4.10.1, I think
Well, I confirm that it is 4.10.1, I just saw it in the repo
There was a time when Sabayon and Nova were little brothers, they shared equipment, I don't know if Sabayon uses emerge as well, Nova combined both, emerge for sources and equo for binaries, an interesting combination, in fact I don't know if Sabayon continued to support the equo UI made by DH Bahr, Nova developer; Sabayon and Nova, prodigal sons of Gentoo but then Nova changed from .tbz2 to .deb, from Gentoo Based to Ubuntu LTS Based, Regards.
Before my arrival at Chakra, I tried to try Sabayon, but when I got to the point of partitioning the disks, I got an error that prevented me from continuing. Investigating, I was suggested to partition the disks with another distro in Live mode, and then try, but I was very demotivated about the matter. Since then I have not tried it again. Although I must say that the Live version is a bullet!
I simply put the automatic partitioning, I don't like having more than one distro on the pc !, so I left the distro to partition, and in any case, you can always install gparted on the live cd and do the partitioning
I tried that but at the time it didn't work. I hope to try it at some point. For now I am preparing to move my entire system to Debian.
And because you leave Chakra, I have tried several distros these months, and the truth is chakra and arch is the best I have tried, only that I am lazy to install arch and chakra has everything at hand.
For @ st0rmt4il and @ F3niX. Chakra is the best KDE distro I have ever tried. It's fast and great looking, plus it gets updated every so often. But I am faced with the challenge of permanently disappearing Windows from my laptop, and I am looking for a stable distro. Unfortunately, with Chakra I have had two problems for months, which I have not been able to solve so far. About both I have posted on the Chakra Project forums, but I have not received a response, not even writing in English. That's why he leaves it, with a bit of nostalgia, because around here they know that I have always defended it (without falling into fanaticism, yes). And for me, the logical step in stability is Debian, which I know a little about. Perhaps one day I will return to Chakra. What I don't think will ever stop is KDE.
Debian? .. and what happened to you Chakra man?
Yes, your change surprises me hehe!
Well, partitioning the disks you have many options .. man fdisk man cdisk, it is not something you have to know applied nuclear chemistry
hahahaha, at the time I didn't know. Now I know a little more.
And it is derived from Gentoo! The GNU / Linux metadistribution par excellence (:
Yes, but it doesn't use portage but entropy, a binary package
If it uses portage, it uses both, you can use the command "equo" for the binaries and "emerge" if you want to compile packages from Gentoo repos, but remember to do "emerge –sync" first.
taken from his wiki… «Portage (emerge) is not the primary package manager for Sabayon Linux, and this article is for advanced users only. In other words if this fails for you, it's your fault. You have been warned. »
also when you mix the 2 you lose features that the Portage provides ... it is not the same ..
It is clear that it is not the primary manager and that using it is under your responsibility, but here no one has said otherwise, I have only clarified that portage is in Sabayon and is compatible, saying the opposite is a lie like saying that Manjaro does not support AUR being based on Arch.
I just used portage for some packages and no problem, the truth, you should inform yourself a little more, in this case portage is comparable to the archlinux aur
That's what I mean "pandev92", I was also using Sabayon for a season and used portage for everything, I installed everything from there and I never had a problem, what's more, I would dare to say that portage is more reliable and compatible with Sabayon than AUR with Arch.
lol… that opinion is expected from a Debian…. !!
You mean mine? I used sabayon before switching to Debian
And you left her for?
Very good distro, but the fact that it comes with proprietary drivers by default causes problems with some AMD video cards, since this company's drivers for linux leave much to be desired.
Gnome Shell for example I remember that it was almost unusable in Sabayon 9, due to the precariousness of the drivers. And there doesn't seem to be an easy way to set the free AMD driver by default.
That was months ago, it works normal now, with the amd drivers. And if you can start with the free drivers, changing a parameter of the kernel boot, in the live cd, but now I don't remember, I should look at it, I had done it a long time ago.
How does Sabayon work for you with Gnome Shell?
Well, better than all the other distro, but of course, you have to see what graphics card you have ...
By the way, there are the daily isos
http://ftp.portlane.com/pub/os/linux/sabayon/iso/daily/
I don't think GNOME Shell is the most "user friendly" we can say.
+1
But it still comes with other desks.
+ π
I tried it a long time ago and I found that I could not install the nVidia drivers because apparently they were not compatible with the latest version of X.org, and since this version was already more than 6 months old, they updated it and those who wanted to install nVidia drivers (or, worse still, those that already had it installed) would bother us and that it was nVidia's fault.
The graphical package manager a bit rudimentary, by the way.
Sabayon is based on Gentoo, but the grace of Gentoo is to compile the system to measure, and if it is from stage 1 better than better. The problem with Sabayon is that when trying to be so user-friendly it includes a lot of trash that makes the system slow. Especially at boot time. On the other hand, the default package selection is not the best of all, that from my point of view. In its favor, I can mention that it is the safest distribution within those of a rolling nature, in the sense that the chances that something will stop working with the following updates is very unlikely. Especially in the hardware section because new kernel versions have to be installed by hand.
Honestly Ruffus, I don't notice a slower boot than debian sid / testing I tested two days ago
It would be a crime for any distribution to go wrong with a 3570K to be honest… Although I am still in my position based on experience that it is slower than other distributions to start. Although the award is won by Ubuntu.
Sorry but Sabayon is slower to start than Ubuntu in general. I have personally tested it on both HDD and SDD and the result is the same.
And the same to install updates or packages.
One slip, it's SSD.
I tried the same thing, and yes, if I start with ubuntu and the nouveau, it takes 1 second less ubuntu, but if I start both equally, with the nvidia driver, it takes me 7 seconds both, and in a few weeks in sabayon it will be The migration from openrc to systemd d is available for whoever wants it, remember that generally the boot time is not due to anything other than the processes with which it is started. It is not a problem, it can always be improved, removing things that you do not use.
For updates, apt-get is very slow, just like equo, the difference is that sabayon has slower repositories, that's what I've noticed, nothing more.
I agree with you on the subject of the default packages!
Hehe, just last night I installed Sabayon 🙂
Some time ago, in my distrohopper moments, I tried to install it in its version 9 with KDE, but the LiveCD did not go beyond the splash. In the end I gave up but I was left with the desire. Someday I'll try again, but with Xfce.
I have tested it on an NVIDIA laptop with optimus technology and it tells me that my card does not have optimus, it has not convinced me, I prefer PclinuxOs
Sabayon has always gone from more to less. Netruner has surprised me a lot and chakra rules !!!!
And that's why you use ubuntu LOL
He will put what he wants but I'm with netruner. Also your statement does not mean that for my chakra it is the best prokde distro and that netrunner with which I have stayed has pleasantly surprised me.
By the way I am unable to understand anything about Unity ...
I already downloaded it with GNOME now to prove that
For any help, I am here. Take a look at the repo and you will see that there is everything, even more than ubuntu.
good distro quite versatile ... although I don't dare to try it, it bothers me to leave arch
Manjaro is a distro to take into account and that in a sense in my opinion is more user fiendly than Sabayon, in addition, according to the ranking of Manjaro distrowatch which is more recent than Sabayon has surpassed it and every day more gaining fame.
I am a Sabayon user and well, although I am now in Windows XP, it is because it is the laboratory area at the university and I am writing here because I saw the notification of this post on my cell phone.
Another thing, Sabayon somehow by alternating the desktops has destroyed my Sabayon with XFCE, I installed the matte version by default and toggle and install xfce and well, everything was great but, as always, there is a but, the applets began to disappear. of the panel that referred to the volume, battery, network, etc.
There is no reason to criticize it but I suppose it must be a bug.
For now I'm on Fedora, Manjaro and Sabayon 😀
Regards!
I think it has been said many times that distrowatch is not a reliable piece of information, according to distrowatch mageia, it would have more users than ubuntu and that is false ...
Distrowatch is based on the clicks people make to the distros that appear on their list… so it's no wonder the locations almost always stay constant.
Well, because that page is just a great advertisement without any foundation, also just thinking about a ranking of distros shows that the one that is first is the best of all which is also false if not to say that it is a great blowjob
I sincerely believe that the user must find a distro and one that allows him to work and stop worrying about changing every two by three, the problem for us users is that we are always looking for something new, and then we end up breaking distros and varied things, but anyway, I guess it's versionitis
hehe .. it is possible partner! .. it is possible hehe! "Versionitis"!
LOL
And nah, what happens is that the MATE version of Sabayon 11 is not as polished as we say! : s
From what I see, manajro I see it better than Arch.
Is stable.
The Aur repos.
pacman.
Updating the video drivers, xorg and the kernel is not a nightmare.
Graphic installer.
But I see it with little staff, and more in KDE.
That is because:
1st: they focus more on XFCE than on other extra flavors, perhaps in my opinion, manjaro maintains other editions just to attract new users with alternatives to XFCE, where more emphasis is placed.
2nd: because it is new and because at the hierarchical level it has less than 15 people in its team (I think), and since there are fewer than 5 developers, the rest are maintenance of the server, website, forum and one or another work.
Regards!
I liked how fast it is and I found that pacman is easier and simpler than apt-get, in addition to that in AUR I have found applications that in order to install them in Xubuntu I had to google the .deb ... that is the only thing that I did not liked is that the fonts don't look very good (luckily I found the solution here: http://deblinux.wordpress.com/2013/03/02/tip-mejora-y-mucho-el-renderizado-de-fuentes-en-manjaro-linux/) and that it has some problems with pacman, which are easily solvable (http://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Pacman_troubleshooting)
Not bad at all Manjaro Xfce, but it is an RR and updates at an incredible speed. You can install whatever you want, but (There's always a but) I can't add my printer, at least for the moment. Anyway, for today, I am staying with Manjaro Xfce.
Chaparral Tolima?
I don't need a user friendly distro .. I need something simple .. that's why I use arch
I have heard very good things about sabayon, although I like the LXDE desktop; that is why I have customized a debian Squeeze with this desktop, since my friends wanted to try a linux fail and have it work fast on their netbooks.
It has video players, music, codecs, drivers, image, office and other things. Also, that you can install whatever you want from the official debian repositories.
Here is the link and it is also livecd, so you can try it and if you do not like it, nothing happens.
http://ricardoliz.blogspot.com
my little hands get hot for trying it ...
could someone be so kind as to throw the output of the free command
To assess how much ram is eaten by default, it is for a netbook of those old people with intel graphics 😀
Well, in computers perhaps that come beyond 2010 you can use it without problems.
But it depends on the version with "x" desktop, if you put KDE you know that you will need a lot of RAM.
Something basic to recommend:
RAM 1GB
Pentium IV
128MB video
40GB Hard Drive
I think that's something "basic" to be able to use Sabayon, if you need more from there you can even give it with some i7 that you have there with some 8 GB of RAM hehe 😛
Regards!
I think you can try it .. but would you really choose KDE as your environment? .. I think you have other priorities right? . I would recommend if you are going to use sabayon because you get rid of KDE and all its utilities you have to face the fact that this machine is not the most current so your priority is performance not the beauty of the environment and those blowjobs
Kde can still run perfect on that machine, you just need to disable nepomuk, remove the oxygen effects, and activate the render mode, it will work fine. and it only consumes about 300mb. Without losing everything that kde offers us.
Using kde like this, it's like using windows without aero LOL.xrender also doesn't have vsync ...
However, using it like this is better than many environments, I use it full, I only gave an option in my case I would have used xfce.
KDE is modular, it can be adapted ... http://i.imgur.com/zU0mTiN.png
Hello, I installed it when the blog guide came out and I was several versions of sabayon, I think it reached X, when they removed support for ati graphics.
My opinion: it is a very good distro, good to start and to get into little by little, it is very friendly, equo (I think it was called that) it was quite powerful from my point of view at that time, now I couldn't tell you, now I'm with Arch and his wonderful Pacman [——C oooo]
and with debian Wheezy as a secondary distro
Yes, you are not wrong compa, "equo" is its package manager and therefore, according to the lxnay blog, which is responsible for sabayon it was rewritten from scratch, adding and correcting errors from past versions.
Regards!
Sabayon! Excellent distro. I used version X with Gnome Shell for a while and it flew. And that my team is already a museum:
- Athlon 64 3500+
- 2GB RAM
- NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT with 256 MB of memory.
You have to be a little careful in the updates (I mean not to give the update crazy) since in certain cases user intervention is required. But in short: a totally recommended distro, which requires a little more knowledge than others.
I was never struck by this distro. It has very good reviews but I'm not curious to try it.
I'm very curious, almost two months after using KDE and chakra, everything works fine, only the bundles just don't convince me, I know it's for the system to be "pure", I still give myself permission to test sabayon, and I'll tell you.
regards
Like this Manjaro if you want something to the Arch with Pacman and a non-restrictive KDE, you can perfectly install GTK applications.
Very fast, stable and RR!
You should try ROSA «Desktop fresh» and give a good review about your experience,
Another one that I really like is PC-BSD, but they are in the process of changes, they are doing a BSD distro Rolling Release and it has a very promising future.
I leave you a preview: is Moondrake coming? Fork of Mandriva or Rosa? haha a bit of suspense and soon they will find out 🙂
Regards !!
Does ROSA fresh have good repositories?
Rosa's repositories must be one of the most complete of all ... and with immediate updates !!
BSD rolling, you say Arch-BSD ?? or is there another
PC-BSD is a BSD operating system, based on FreeBSD and is the easiest BSD system to use, even more than some linux distros, it is as easy as ubuntu, magiea, pink, opensuse. etc etc.
PC-BSD is a system with years of experience, now they have decided to do it Rollig, and they are already working on it,
Well rolling rolling will not be .., simply will not have to reinstall everything ..., it is like upgrading from ubuntu 12.10 to 13.04
I'm aimlessly on linux ... no distro convinces me, now under this one, I try it and we'll see what happens
It's called 'distrohopping'.
Try this one to see how it goes.
http://ricardoliz.blogspot.com/2013/04/linux-debian-squeeze-607-lxde-flavor.html
It will be interesting but it will have support for cinnamon
sorry, I was wrong, I did not plan to put that here
"Finally after reporting these things on the PCLinux OS forums, and being ignored, I got tired of the distro and kept searching ..." He was using PCLinuxOS for a long time until I realized that his forums were treating me badly , I decided to do the same as you ...
I keep insisting ... try Pear OS 7 ... I'm sure you won't regret it; more explanations about this distro here: http://germanlancheros.blogspot.com.ar/2013/04/disponible-pear-linux-7-64-bits-y-server.html
I have tested it a week ago and honestly, I have my osx ..., I don't see the need to test pear os, enzymes, after installing it, it crashed very quickly ...
I have been with Sabayon-Xfce for a couple of months and the experience has been excellent. Using the sabayon-weekly repository has allowed me to enjoy extremely stable rolling alongside Entropy and equo.
It strikes me that in the forums and irc, the members while being friendly, promote the development of users and reject dependence. Thanks to this I have gotten to know a little more about Sabayon and Gnu / Linux.
Exactly :), the forums are fantastic, friendly, they know a lot and the distro is extremely stable! Thanks for comment.
It will be tested, I already have OpenSuse and Manjaro on the list.
You are just like me then. After I got tired of Ubuntu, I started to try everything and ended up with OpenSUSE, that distro is highly recommended, the bad thing is that it is not Rolling Release by nature, but you can change the repositories for those of Tumbleweed and supposedly does Rolling Release.
Anyway, in the end I uninstalled it and changed it to LMDE because I was looking for a distro to use with Cinnamon. However, I was not completely convinced because what I was looking for is a real Rolling Release, which is simple at the same time and more than anything stable. So here I am, today I installed Manjaro and Sabayon that must be the best there is at the moment. I still haven't made up my mind because I plan to try them for a minimum month, but I would tell you to install either of those two and if neither convinces you, install OpenSUSE.
It would be interesting but will it have support for cinnamon?
That's right: gnome-extra / cinnamon-1.6.7.
I do think it can be installed, but I don't know how it will work.
Hello, I'm in doubt about which distro to keep. PCLinuxOs and Sabayon are two of my alternatives. Now, after this time, would you say that Sabayon is still the best alternative of the two?