You know I've been reflecting a lot on the article of the same name which I wrote a few weeks ago, but mostly with the comments regarding the problem of English articles translated into Spanish and I must admit that many of those comments are right. It is mental laziness to be able to learn GNU / Linux and not be able to learn English. So ……… .from this moment I will write original things.
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It is true that the Google translator is not perfect, but from there to saying that it is rubbish there is an enoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo huge stretch.
It is true, it is not perfect although it is very close.
Won't you be needing a dictionary?
It also helps a lot to read -books-, among other advantages, it teaches thinking, provides vocabulary and encourages discernment and critical analysis.
I add:
if GT translates the rest of the languages with the same accuracy then there are virtually no barriers to reading pages in Arabic, Chinese or Swedish, it should be tried.
And of course, putting just a grain of sand on our part instead of trying to digest everything helps a lot to understand and contextualize a translation 🙂
Yes, it can be, but that sounds more melancholic than real.
Do a test: choose the topic you want, * the one you want * about GNU / Linux and look for it on the net in English, ready? surely there are tens if not hundreds or even thousands of posts about it and many of them are up to 10 or more years old.
Now do the same in Spanish ...
Clearly it is very possible that what one is looking for is already discussed and resolved - in English, yes.
It is also very easy: if you learn GNU + Linux or for that matter any complex technology, you already know that you need English, so the next step is to start learning it, whatever it is, to strike out, but be willing to do it and take it seriously.
It's English, not string theory or biochips, come on.
(FYI I am one of those who is convinced that also string theory and the theoretical basis of biological chips can be learned if we have enough desire to do it; if we also have the ability and facility to do it then we are disruptive, like Messi with the ball 😉
Hahaha I love it in Calambur. Although apart from the content of the text I suspect that there is some kind of subliminal message. And I would like to know how much Stallman's thong cost.
In my case, for convenience, I prefer to read in Spanish, but there are people who claim that it is difficult to blog in our language because «google translate makes it easy to read blogs in English», when what that translator does (regardless of the « mental laziness »that remains in each person) is a mess of work.
To translate, for me the best is Bing, and even so I am not one of those who translate text, I prefer to read it in English even if it takes me longer ... but if there is the option of looking at that note in Spanish in another blog, well there I see it and comment.
There are those who also say that "how if you are willing to learn Linux and not English?", As if they were the same. We are talking about comparing a way of working with a way of communicating (not because you want to learn cooking in Bilbao you have to master Basque, or in France French; the language is independent of the work techniques you need to learn), and for more INRI, communicate with technicalities (or outright idioms, as diazepan gave as an example in this article).
That the information of a product is released in English is one thing, and this has nothing to do with bloggers giving up (those who do, because there are others who have their very personal and valid reasons, such as Picajoso to launch their own blog outside muylinux) because they consider that a translator is an obstacle and not just another tool circulating on the web.
"There are those who also say that" how if you are willing to learn Linux and not English? ", As if they were the same."
OF COURSE, AS IF NOT, ha!
Let's see where I start ... oh yes, demonstrating the stupidity of the comment that I quote:
1. GNU and Linux projects are developed by international teams whose main language of communication between them is -Guess- ENGLISH, YES!
It is not wrong to assume that the comments and brainstorming [0] related to these developments between speakers of the same language, and _of a private nature_ (for example emails between developers, etc.) are written (or speaking in the case of videoconferences) in their native languages, but when it comes to developing jointly the chosen language is ENGLISH.
2. As English is the DE FACTO language chosen to develop -de facto because it is the universal language [0], even though some Taliban and misfits may not like it- THE COMMENTS WITHIN THE CODE ARE WRITTEN IN ENGLISH. So: is it necessary to learn English to develop? The short answer is yes. The mediocre one is: it depends. If you are going to move in a limited community of developers and you are going to access didactic material only available in your language then you may not need to learn English to develop. Now, if you want to do things in a serious, rational and mature way, IT IS BASIC TO LEARN ENGLISH.
3. Being the programming languages with which GNU + Linux are developed developed in turn by native English speakers or by adoption, the functions of these languages and even their semantics are extracted from the language ... YES, ENGLISH !!! Anyone who has ever programmed ANYTHING, IN ANY LANGUAGE, will find that the programming instructions have the semantic and orthographic form inspired by ... ENGLISH!
Therefore learning GNU + Linux (this is the correct way to write it if we want to make a difference) and learning the English language [1] are INTIMELY LINKED and it is totally stupid to assert otherwise.
[0] universal language refers to the language understandable and usable by the greatest variety of speakers. Suppose that India and China each have the two largest language communities - which they do not have since in both countries they speak so many dialects that they go out of their ass - that these languages are spoken in a specific region of the world. it makes them universal, it makes them large in any case.
[1] Yes, the English language comes from England, a warlike and colonizing people if there are any, who first imposed their language on their islands, forming Great Britain (which does not cause any grace to the rest of the nations involved because a) they are not Bretons, b) each nation has its own culture, history and language) and then through its exceptional - in the sense of effective, only - foreign policy in the rest of the world.
The English have a heinous and reprehensible history of piracy from every point of view and at the same time they have Sabbath, The Who, Purple, Zeppelin, their historic good taste and their _exceptional_ sense of humor (Python, Hill, Black Books, IT Crew and so many thousands).
As much as the mediocre do not like it, England has an exceptional culture that, unlike the USA or other countries, does not need to promote to sell and culturally conquer other peoples, on the contrary, it conquers all areas due to its quality and avant-garde, almost by mouth in mouth.
However, and paradoxically, their language, as practical and easy to learn as it is, has no chance against _infinitely_ more beautiful languages like Spanish or French; Let's agree that the only beauty about the English language is the way it is pronounced by Upper London.
With its good and bad points, with its good and bad history, with all that it represents, English is today - actually for several decades - the language with which it communicates to the world, THE INTERFACE that allows a Russian to speak with a Latin American and with an Asian. To resist per-se to learn English is to be an idiot, with all the letters. And as long as English continues to be the language with which the world communicates, IF WE WANT TO BE COMMUNICATED AND KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE WORLD, it goes without saying that YOU HAVE TO LEARN ENGLISH.
Of course, blogs in Spanish add up as long as - and this is a personal opinion - they are written in a Spanish that is pleasant to read, incorporating idioms from each region that make it even tastier.
Now, in the case of technology, and finding most of the time that the topic of the article that we read in Spanish has already been addressed previously - sometimes several times! - in English, it is almost stupid to a) insist on not learning English, b) pretending a redundancy of work that does not add.
The textbook nationalists or the defenders of Cervantes do not come to act when I am sure they are not aware of the nuances and subtleties of our beautiful language and they do not use more than 100 different words to communicate every day.
The bulk of GNU + Linux and technical blogs are written in English by people from all over the world and not for that reason an Indian [0], a Japanese, a French or an Ecuadorian feels less Indian, less Japanese, less French or less Ecuadorian, rather on the contrary, his awareness of being Indian, Japanese, French or Ecuadorian emerges much more quickly and he feels much closer to his land, his culture and finally, to his roots since precisely by interconnecting with People in other parts of the world are aware of their own individuality.
Fuck off, «There are those who also say that" how if you are willing to learn Linux and not English? ", As if they were the same." it's really stupid (dis) reasoning.
[0] Hindu is the term that designates an individual who professes Hinduism. Apart from how badly they have been able to teach us and how HORROROUSLY BAD THAT THE "JOURNALISTS" SPEAK IN THE MEDIA, the adjective for India is simply "Indian".
Where do I start for you to understand?
1.- This topic and the other, is spoken from the point of the USER and the Blogs in our language, not from the development groups.
2.- You continue with the development, and that is not the issue, but I answer you. It is not necessary to learn a language to learn a programming language, in them you do not look at grammatical rules of the language (conjugation of verbs, tenses, synonyms, subjects, predicates, etc.), but you do look at the programming language.
3.- And give him the programming languages and the development environment.
Do you understand the difference between learning to use Linux and developing software for that environment and being immersed in a development group? Well, there is such a difference between what you consider stupid in my comment and what you caught saying with that choro.
Learning the meaning of words (which is what you learn in programming languages) is not knowing how to speak that language; You can learn to say hello in Chinese or Japanese, and that doesn't mean you speak it.
Or let's go to your logic: since vodka is Polish-Russian, if someone wants to know how to taste it (in which drinks to mix it or for what occasions it can be taken), YOU HAVE TO KNOW POLISH or RUSSIAN… ..
In my very humble and ignorant opinion, if the term is technical and it is in English, put up with it, take a grain of salt and memorize it as it comes; Thus we avoid even bad translations, misunderstandings and flavors.
Let's see, who would understand if instead of DNS the acronyms in Spanish "SdNdD" or "SND" were put? in my case I would not know what the hell is being referred to.
Another example, the word "speakers" in different parts of the world are known as: "speakers", "speakers", "helmets"? ... Total that we always claim for the translation that applies to your region. And not everyone can like it.
Since always, I only had access to computer science books in English, the only translations did not reach our country. So dictionary in hand and with effort I had to study many technologies chewing and spitting in English.
Finally, do you want to study computer science and that what you have learned and the support works for you everywhere? So, learn English. Or memorize the technical words in English and their definition in Spanish.
At this moment we are thinking about the present, but it is not bad to think about the future, learn Chinese.
This world is clearly marked and decided by Darwism. Only the best adapted survive or excel.
ha! In '87 when I was finally able to put my little hands on a commode 16 (manual in gringues) I did not know about the Chinese but one of them was Bruce Lee and he believed that "Cheech and Chong" were Chinese until one day I saw the cover of a videotape where I see that neither were Chinese. 🙂
Yes, this time seems good to learn Chinese, even if it is to exercise the brain, because with this future Chinese ubuntu / already-here, surely new developments will go up but in Chinese. I still fall out of my chair, nothing more to see that the Kingsoft Office for android works so well on a tablet and this development is Chinese as I remember.
Time to dust off the Bruce, Jackie and Jet Li movies.
But there are variations of the language, almost like Linux distros ... so what would be the recommended Chinese variation so as not to fail you?
I take note: Mandarin… Is google's time, search for: chinesse for IT's…
wow, if this is true, the task will not be easy 🙂:
"It takes many years of study and practice to begin to peel back and process through the layers of complexity of a four tone, fifty-plus thousand character language."
- One life will not be enough this time, I better teach my descendants to learn these two languages (English & Chinese), I hope that North Koreans and similar crazy people will leave us another 10 generations of life.
There is something hidden between the texts, but I can't see it.
The thong with Stallman's face…. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
free the craken!
My mother, my mother hahahahaha, I am dismayed with laughter.
What ??
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND A FUCK 😀
The same thing happens to me when I want to read something translated by Google Translate.
It is true that the Google translator is not perfect, but from there to saying that it is rubbish there is an enoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo huge stretch.
Here's what the Debian landing page looks like when we choose to view it in Spanish:
http://i.imgur.com/VKzGl5M.png
And this is what it looks like when we see it translated with the help of Google Translate:
http://i.imgur.com/jKv9Y45.png
It is true, it is not perfect although it is very close.
Won't you be needing a dictionary?
It also helps a lot to read -books-, among other advantages, it teaches thinking, provides vocabulary and encourages discernment and critical analysis.
I add:
if GT translates the rest of the languages with the same accuracy then there are virtually no barriers to reading pages in Arabic, Chinese or Swedish, it should be tried.
And of course, putting just a grain of sand on our part instead of trying to digest everything helps a lot to understand and contextualize a translation 🙂
"It is mental laziness to be able to learn GNU / Linux and not be able to learn English"
- Well said
The best is the Richard Stallman thong ... hahaha.
In that he is right, the sad thing is that there are not enough quality blogs in our language and we have to resort to other languages.
Yes, it can be, but that sounds more melancholic than real.
Do a test: choose the topic you want, * the one you want * about GNU / Linux and look for it on the net in English, ready? surely there are tens if not hundreds or even thousands of posts about it and many of them are up to 10 or more years old.
Now do the same in Spanish ...
Clearly it is very possible that what one is looking for is already discussed and resolved - in English, yes.
It is also very easy: if you learn GNU + Linux or for that matter any complex technology, you already know that you need English, so the next step is to start learning it, whatever it is, to strike out, but be willing to do it and take it seriously.
It's English, not string theory or biochips, come on.
(FYI I am one of those who is convinced that also string theory and the theoretical basis of biological chips can be learned if we have enough desire to do it; if we also have the ability and facility to do it then we are disruptive, like Messi with the ball 😉
Very good, it made me laugh 🙂
Hahaha I love it in Calambur. Although apart from the content of the text I suspect that there is some kind of subliminal message. And I would like to know how much Stallman's thong cost.
what a pitorreo xD
The thong is for men, women or unisex
epic wtf
I don't think there is anything more disgusting than seeing a guy in a thong, which disgusts the so-called mother>: ¬ (
The thong was invented for this, clown: http://www.radioestacion.com.ar/imagenes_noticias_c/andrea_rincon_angelito_tanga.jpg
The closest thing a guy can wear are the "sungas" that Brazilians wear, which are also pretty ugly to see on (who likes to see a naked guy !!!?) WTF
It is a thong for women, because the lower part of the thong is precisely to "cover" the vagina, the only sector that a thong can cover ...
Stop bolú, my mouth is watering! xD
Hahaha, excellent, very good !!!
In my case, for convenience, I prefer to read in Spanish, but there are people who claim that it is difficult to blog in our language because «google translate makes it easy to read blogs in English», when what that translator does (regardless of the « mental laziness »that remains in each person) is a mess of work.
To translate, for me the best is Bing, and even so I am not one of those who translate text, I prefer to read it in English even if it takes me longer ... but if there is the option of looking at that note in Spanish in another blog, well there I see it and comment.
There are those who also say that "how if you are willing to learn Linux and not English?", As if they were the same. We are talking about comparing a way of working with a way of communicating (not because you want to learn cooking in Bilbao you have to master Basque, or in France French; the language is independent of the work techniques you need to learn), and for more INRI, communicate with technicalities (or outright idioms, as diazepan gave as an example in this article).
That the information of a product is released in English is one thing, and this has nothing to do with bloggers giving up (those who do, because there are others who have their very personal and valid reasons, such as Picajoso to launch their own blog outside muylinux) because they consider that a translator is an obstacle and not just another tool circulating on the web.
"There are those who also say that" how if you are willing to learn Linux and not English? ", As if they were the same."
OF COURSE, AS IF NOT, ha!
Let's see where I start ... oh yes, demonstrating the stupidity of the comment that I quote:
1. GNU and Linux projects are developed by international teams whose main language of communication between them is -Guess- ENGLISH, YES!
It is not wrong to assume that the comments and brainstorming [0] related to these developments between speakers of the same language, and _of a private nature_ (for example emails between developers, etc.) are written (or speaking in the case of videoconferences) in their native languages, but when it comes to developing jointly the chosen language is ENGLISH.
2. As English is the DE FACTO language chosen to develop -de facto because it is the universal language [0], even though some Taliban and misfits may not like it- THE COMMENTS WITHIN THE CODE ARE WRITTEN IN ENGLISH. So: is it necessary to learn English to develop? The short answer is yes. The mediocre one is: it depends. If you are going to move in a limited community of developers and you are going to access didactic material only available in your language then you may not need to learn English to develop. Now, if you want to do things in a serious, rational and mature way, IT IS BASIC TO LEARN ENGLISH.
3. Being the programming languages with which GNU + Linux are developed developed in turn by native English speakers or by adoption, the functions of these languages and even their semantics are extracted from the language ... YES, ENGLISH !!! Anyone who has ever programmed ANYTHING, IN ANY LANGUAGE, will find that the programming instructions have the semantic and orthographic form inspired by ... ENGLISH!
Therefore learning GNU + Linux (this is the correct way to write it if we want to make a difference) and learning the English language [1] are INTIMELY LINKED and it is totally stupid to assert otherwise.
[0] universal language refers to the language understandable and usable by the greatest variety of speakers. Suppose that India and China each have the two largest language communities - which they do not have since in both countries they speak so many dialects that they go out of their ass - that these languages are spoken in a specific region of the world. it makes them universal, it makes them large in any case.
[1] Yes, the English language comes from England, a warlike and colonizing people if there are any, who first imposed their language on their islands, forming Great Britain (which does not cause any grace to the rest of the nations involved because a) they are not Bretons, b) each nation has its own culture, history and language) and then through its exceptional - in the sense of effective, only - foreign policy in the rest of the world.
The English have a heinous and reprehensible history of piracy from every point of view and at the same time they have Sabbath, The Who, Purple, Zeppelin, their historic good taste and their _exceptional_ sense of humor (Python, Hill, Black Books, IT Crew and so many thousands).
As much as the mediocre do not like it, England has an exceptional culture that, unlike the USA or other countries, does not need to promote to sell and culturally conquer other peoples, on the contrary, it conquers all areas due to its quality and avant-garde, almost by mouth in mouth.
However, and paradoxically, their language, as practical and easy to learn as it is, has no chance against _infinitely_ more beautiful languages like Spanish or French; Let's agree that the only beauty about the English language is the way it is pronounced by Upper London.
With its good and bad points, with its good and bad history, with all that it represents, English is today - actually for several decades - the language with which it communicates to the world, THE INTERFACE that allows a Russian to speak with a Latin American and with an Asian. To resist per-se to learn English is to be an idiot, with all the letters. And as long as English continues to be the language with which the world communicates, IF WE WANT TO BE COMMUNICATED AND KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE WORLD, it goes without saying that YOU HAVE TO LEARN ENGLISH.
Of course, blogs in Spanish add up as long as - and this is a personal opinion - they are written in a Spanish that is pleasant to read, incorporating idioms from each region that make it even tastier.
Now, in the case of technology, and finding most of the time that the topic of the article that we read in Spanish has already been addressed previously - sometimes several times! - in English, it is almost stupid to a) insist on not learning English, b) pretending a redundancy of work that does not add.
The textbook nationalists or the defenders of Cervantes do not come to act when I am sure they are not aware of the nuances and subtleties of our beautiful language and they do not use more than 100 different words to communicate every day.
The bulk of GNU + Linux and technical blogs are written in English by people from all over the world and not for that reason an Indian [0], a Japanese, a French or an Ecuadorian feels less Indian, less Japanese, less French or less Ecuadorian, rather on the contrary, his awareness of being Indian, Japanese, French or Ecuadorian emerges much more quickly and he feels much closer to his land, his culture and finally, to his roots since precisely by interconnecting with People in other parts of the world are aware of their own individuality.
Fuck off, «There are those who also say that" how if you are willing to learn Linux and not English? ", As if they were the same." it's really stupid (dis) reasoning.
[0] Hindu is the term that designates an individual who professes Hinduism. Apart from how badly they have been able to teach us and how HORROROUSLY BAD THAT THE "JOURNALISTS" SPEAK IN THE MEDIA, the adjective for India is simply "Indian".
Where do I start for you to understand?
1.- This topic and the other, is spoken from the point of the USER and the Blogs in our language, not from the development groups.
2.- You continue with the development, and that is not the issue, but I answer you. It is not necessary to learn a language to learn a programming language, in them you do not look at grammatical rules of the language (conjugation of verbs, tenses, synonyms, subjects, predicates, etc.), but you do look at the programming language.
3.- And give him the programming languages and the development environment.
Do you understand the difference between learning to use Linux and developing software for that environment and being immersed in a development group? Well, there is such a difference between what you consider stupid in my comment and what you caught saying with that choro.
Learning the meaning of words (which is what you learn in programming languages) is not knowing how to speak that language; You can learn to say hello in Chinese or Japanese, and that doesn't mean you speak it.
Or let's go to your logic: since vodka is Polish-Russian, if someone wants to know how to taste it (in which drinks to mix it or for what occasions it can be taken), YOU HAVE TO KNOW POLISH or RUSSIAN… ..
'uta ... this type of post is food for trolls.
In my very humble and ignorant opinion, if the term is technical and it is in English, put up with it, take a grain of salt and memorize it as it comes; Thus we avoid even bad translations, misunderstandings and flavors.
Let's see, who would understand if instead of DNS the acronyms in Spanish "SdNdD" or "SND" were put? in my case I would not know what the hell is being referred to.
Another example, the word "speakers" in different parts of the world are known as: "speakers", "speakers", "helmets"? ... Total that we always claim for the translation that applies to your region. And not everyone can like it.
Since always, I only had access to computer science books in English, the only translations did not reach our country. So dictionary in hand and with effort I had to study many technologies chewing and spitting in English.
Finally, do you want to study computer science and that what you have learned and the support works for you everywhere? So, learn English. Or memorize the technical words in English and their definition in Spanish.
At this moment we are thinking about the present, but it is not bad to think about the future, learn Chinese.
This world is clearly marked and decided by Darwism. Only the best adapted survive or excel.
ha! In '87 when I was finally able to put my little hands on a commode 16 (manual in gringues) I did not know about the Chinese but one of them was Bruce Lee and he believed that "Cheech and Chong" were Chinese until one day I saw the cover of a videotape where I see that neither were Chinese. 🙂
Yes, this time seems good to learn Chinese, even if it is to exercise the brain, because with this future Chinese ubuntu / already-here, surely new developments will go up but in Chinese. I still fall out of my chair, nothing more to see that the Kingsoft Office for android works so well on a tablet and this development is Chinese as I remember.
Time to dust off the Bruce, Jackie and Jet Li movies.
But there are variations of the language, almost like Linux distros ... so what would be the recommended Chinese variation so as not to fail you?
Let's start studying Chinese with Ramones' Chinese Rock:
http://youtu.be/57nPAqBPGPE
Gabba Gabba Hey!
I recommend Mandarin which is the most widely spoken variation
I take note: Mandarin… Is google's time, search for: chinesse for IT's…
wow, if this is true, the task will not be easy 🙂:
"It takes many years of study and practice to begin to peel back and process through the layers of complexity of a four tone, fifty-plus thousand character language."
http://www.chinalawblog.com/2012/01/learn_chinese_for_business_the_pros_and_cons.html
- One life will not be enough this time, I better teach my descendants to learn these two languages (English & Chinese), I hope that North Koreans and similar crazy people will leave us another 10 generations of life.
Who put that text? Dolan? DsdLinx Plz