A very interesting image that I found in a CodeNinja, a blog on the Cuban intranet in which a comparison is made of the relevance that these two personalities had in the world.
These two men died the same month of the same year. Steve was widely considered a hero, while Dennis it was widely ignored by the world. Only a handful of programmers who know the true value of the work of Dennis Ritchie they learned of his death.
Shipping Costs Steve Jobs there would not be iPhone, iPad, iPod: Macintosh. Without Dennis Ritchie there would not be C. Without C there Unix, Windows o Linux. Without C there C++ ni Objective-C. There is not MacOS X, neither iOS, neither Photoshop, neither FL Studio, neither Firefox, neither safari, ni Google Chrome, neither Playstation, neither XBox. In fact, 90% of the world's applications are written in C o C++ o Objective-C. If you think about it Dennis deserves our respect, spread this.
The problem is, many are unaware of how big the leap from existing languages to C (which actually started to appear in 1969) was. Until then, many programmers used assembler or some other type of language based on it. Although C was not designed to be portable across platforms, its simplicity made it easy for compilers to emerge for almost all existing platforms, resulting in many portable applications. C has had an enormous influence on computing, perhaps like no other language.
Who wants to know more details about the history of this language, read
this interesting article.
Another ancient language (1959) that was very advanced and influential, although not as popular as C (probably because of its complexity) has been LISP.
And without Objective C and C ++, there would be no Java.
without C ++ there would be no Java, but Objective C? for me that disappears.
And without the pc's there would be no C LOL
C appeared in 1972. The PC in 1981.
but without pc's C, even if it exists, it would be of little use :), unless as users, you want to make pasta with tomato and aroma of C XD
And ke steve jobs did not invent the pc, he invented the graphical operating system which is something else, something he would not have invented without C
Steve Jobs did not invent anything. The graphical interface was designed by Xerox and Apple (not Steve Jobs but their workers or developers whatever you want to call them) copied the design but Jobs did not invent anything in himself he was just a genius in marketing
That alone is not his merit ... the guy also cared about the appearance and the design, especially the fonts.
Steve jobs did not invent the graphical system, he bought it / stole it from xerox
But, if you already screwed up, I'm sorry I told you 🙂
The truth is that I have seen this meme a lot (this one or similar).
First it is not necessary Steve Jobs to claim the figure of Ritchie (no matter how much they have died in close dates). The worst thing that can be done is to associate his death with that of another, since comparing them gives the feeling that you remember him because of Jobs and not because of his merits, even if you pretend otherwise.
The truth is that I have not seen a conversation since Ritchie died, in which, speaking of his death, the name of Jobs does not appear. It seems that many use the name Ritchie only to criticize Jobs and his defenders and not because they really defend him, which is sad.
It is not a criticism of the page, it is a general reflection on the subject.
All the best
I can understand your point, when Jobs died everyone was scandalized, I personally only said "well, poor, one less, we are all" but up to there.
Then, a short time later, I found out that Ritchie had died the night before, which did make me feel bad and that even the teachers that day came with long faces to teach (computer study). In fact, that day we were bringing up the subject with the teachers and commenting on curiosities about what Ritchie was and how we would be now without him ...
Nor is it to belittle Jobs, ok, he had his brilliant ideas, but he is not even close to the stratum in which Ritchie is, for something he is known as the father of current computing.
dwarf, I think cotton you are absolutely right; Why demerit not only the work of Jobs but even, in many cases, his person to try to magnify the work of Dennis?
What is it trying to prove? … That one was a genius and the other was not? … That it is an injustice that more is spoken of one that of the other? We are wrong if to measure the merits of one we have to compare them with those of the other.
The truth is that that graph, sadly, does a disservice to Ritchie
I don't see it that way. I do not think that this image wants to detract from Jobs, rather highlighting that his death was mentioned all over the world as if it were a God, however Dennis's was not, when in reality his work was so important (or more) than Jobs's.
+1
elav <° Linux said:
I don't see it that way. I don't think that image wants
detract from Jobs, rather emphasize that his death was
mentioned all over the world as if it were a God,
however Dennis's not, when in fact his work
it was as important (or more) than Jobs'. "
So the problem is that one was posthumously treated differently from the other, now elav Why do you think that happened?
I agree, again, totally with you cotton
But seriously, what is the problem with Jobs? I repeat, Jobs was used because he died in the same month and year as Dennis, the intention is not to compare him from the point of view of discrediting one or the other. Maybe it hadn't been Jobs, maybe it would have been Bill Gates or someone else.
I don't know Tina, maybe the consumer market, capitalism, the branches and functions of each one influenced the posthumous tribute of each one. The point is that, without Dennis Ritchie, Jobs might not have been the greatest and most ingenious CEO that ever existed. I mean, Dennis should have deserved the recognition that your Mr Jobs has to spare. It is a chain, Ritchie should have been recognized as the creator of the first computer is recognized, the creator of vacuum tubes, the creator of electricity ... etc etc etc ... for some depend on others ..
Leave poor elav because he has read an email that Kitty has sent him and he's very horny, that's why he says those things
elav <° Linux said:
«I don't know Tina, maybe the consumer market, capitalism,
the branches and functions of each one influenced the tribute
posthumous of each. "
Exactly ... it seems to me that the death of Jobs unlike the Ritchie had more media coverage, why? well, why Jobs it was much more media than Ritchie. From my point of view, this does not represent an injustice, as is intended to be seen in that graph, but simply the result of the context in which each one developed.
Courage, stop balconying elav, man, what is wrong with joyfully receiving an email from Kitty?
elav <° Linux said:
"But seriously, what is the problem with Jobs?"
I don't know ... why don't you ask who wrote this "article" http://elsoftwarelibre.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/dennis-ritchie-el-verdadero-genio-que-la-mayoria-desconoce/?
Even when we know the site because we visit it a lot at a certain stage, we do not have to do with what is published there, that is, the author of that blog has his opinion, similar or not to ours ... but hey, you already know this or not? 😀
Personally, I was very upset with how the matter of Jobs' death was handled. It seems that the father of computers has died, someone who, in addition to having revolutionized the technology industry, donated billions of dollars and with these donations the cure for Cancer was discovered ... do I understand?
Personally yes, it bothered me how it was treated ...
Now, regarding Dennis… it happens that Jobs is boasted yet, there is hardly any mention of Dennis. I consider that the little mention that this had been somewhat unfair, this does not mean that for it to be mentioned more, Jobs or his work must now be demoted.
I confess something? ...
Dennis didn't need to die, I don't need an excuse to think that Jobs lacked originality in many ways. Businessman, opportunist, yes ... it was both, and this does not have to be negative, but whenever you think of Apple you think of Jobs (and vice versa), let's see how they explain that they have sued Samsung because according to them, Apple invented the concept of Tablet, ¬_¬ ... do not touch my ______, that StarTrek already saw tablets ...
Anyway. I'm sorry if I'm direct and I can be hurtful, but it seems to me that Jobs received merits that did not touch him, they praised him for something that he "invented" when it already existed, in any case he popularized some concepts / ideas, it would be like attributing to Ubuntu that Linux be where you are today.
regards
He deserved it for saying the below
Tina, the fun of bringing the two characters together is that you create a much greater contrast than if you were just talking about Dennis. You have already introduced the explanation of the phenomenon, one was much more media than the other. However, I do believe that this is bad, because it is distorting the reality and the perception that people have about the contribution to computing and technology of each one.
Speaking of the forgotten.
The Dennis Ritchie Story.
It reminds me of the sad ending of Nikola Tesla who wanted free, clean energy for everyone.
Which capitalism and the American archetype erased from the science books.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9×5-s68Nt-I
Jobs just died, one of the most serious "newspapers" or "newspapers" in Mexico published a note in which they compared Jobs with Newton and Mozart, which I found not only disproportionate and fallacious, but absurd and naive.
For me Jobs is one of the most efficient entrepreneurs in recent times, (and that is not a compliment) and a person with a highly developed type of intelligence (that is a compliment); But he is not someone that I find morally admirable, nor is he the architect or creator of the things that many value about Apple products.
Ritchie was never a popularly recognized figure, but his death so close to Jobs's makes many people who value his work outraged at the lack of recognition compared to Jobs.
Perhaps both had a highly developed (and extraordinary) wit in different areas; but the problem here is a priority problem. Should we value a genius of computer industry and production more (with all its opportunism, and its exploitative and advantageous character), than a genius of computer creation (programming)?
Writing this I was reminded of Bart Simpson telling Krusty that people respected and admired him more than all contemporary scientists and artists of him. Maybe that's why there are Krusty action figures
and from Jobs, heh.
Greetings.
I think that the discussion that I raised is not on the merit or not of what Jobs did. In particular, it is a figure that I do not appreciate in excess. And, yes, it is true that it was exaggerated in the media, but that kind of thing cannot be controlled.
There have been true geniuses of music that no one has even heard of. And that his death has meant nothing to the people. Ultimately it is a question of popularity.
This year Gil-Scott Heron died and did not get half the media coverage as Amy Winehouse. Cesaria Évora also died and nothing. Do you think I'm making memes comparing them? I don't do it because it seems childish to me and because I also don't have to associate both names.
The point is that if you want to value Ritchie's work, it should be done independently because otherwise you don't value his enormous contributions but rather "being better than Jobs."
Why is Jobs used? Why is Jobs still named after Ritchie's death? Do you really want to defend it? Doesn't it have its own merits?
The only answer is that Jobs would not be used if it were not to argue the idea that the world is hypocritical and ignorant, that Ritchie was better than Jobs, or that Ritchie was a genius and Jobs was not.
In my comment I did not defend Jobs, and he is not a figure that I appreciate or defend, I only evidence that it is as hypocritical to defend Jobs blindly as it is to use Ritchie to criticize him.
More so because I think that Ritchie has enough merits to be in the history of computing without having to use comparisons that do not help his figure at all.
And without someone who fails a little when writing elav, they would not realize that in that sentence there is not the past imperfect subjunctive of the verb haber, but the simple indicative conditional.
Also that of "Macintoch" (unless it is so on purpose) damages the eyes.
Go carcamal correct it
Seriously, this is like Ubuntu and the other distros, those who have money invest in advertising and since there is advertising, the rest is not seen
Courage, go touch the balls of the blonde from high school you like. I only made a Copy / Paste of the article where I got the post.
If you saw her, your nonsense would suddenly disappear because you haven't seen her little face.
Also I do not like blondes or dwarfs as I explain in the interview to the sandy. By the way, blondes don't have balls, nor do any women hahahaha.
If you haven't written it, tell the author for me to go to give language classes, to 5th grade of primary school, which is where they taught me the verb tenses hahahaha
Shit, shit, shit. What a typing error I have had with that Ñ ...
Curiously, the term "typing" is not very correct either, because it is an unnecessary anglicism, the correct thing would have been "typing", hehe.
Moral: using the language correctly is fine, but we shouldn't get too fancy on a blog.
Big Hugo 😀
It's that an extremist gets screwed by being an extremist hahahahaha.
That's Elav's fault, he taught me
Man there can always be some fault but that was already a high level of Hoyganism by the original author
It is not extremism, it is seriousness.
And that says the one who is putting "webos" in the emails?
Don't blame me now for your mistakes. I have not taught you anything and Kitty has not sent me any of the emails you say. That in my country is called: Brete, Scam and Chisme.
Let's see, what you like Kitty is true, you just have to see all the childish things that you said in the letter to EsDebian, as you say to me about the blonde from my institute because that's what there is, it feels HAHA
And that "typing" thing is your fault for the fact that the person I saw write that word was you
Do not invent, you have never seen me put "typing" 😛
https://blog.desdelinux.net/mac-lion-para-unity/#comment-1323
lee carcamal
Come on, you are heavy with the aunts, go fuck and shut up LOL
Now he has hit on that, to see how long it lasts
A suggestion. When you quote an article, or part of it, that contains spelling or grammatical errors, clearly indicate which part is cited and where there could be an error, add:
[so]
"Sic" is a Latin phrase that means "thus" or "as is" and indicates that the quote is literal, respecting the original source and detaching yourself from any grammatical or spelling error that may exist.
Greetings.
Comparisons are always hateful, but ... the work of an entrepreneur, no matter how good, is comparable to the legacy of an inventor.
I have never owned an "iPhone", nor do I plan to have one. Why?
For reasons that we could consider "philosophical."
I'm not willing to betray my way of thinking for a product, no matter how good it is, I don't care.
As "Richard Sallman" said, "freedom requires sacrifices, and I am willing ...
Greetings.
Also, for what an iPhone is worth, you buy a piece of phone that you freak out
That piece of phone has a name: Samsung Galaxy SII
And not only the Samsung Galaxy SII, but others, although I do not know much more because misanthropes do not need a mobile
I am with the biography of Jobs now ... and the truth, my bad feelings are confirmed. On principle, I do not like the philosophy of Apple or Jobs. I admire the quality of the products and some of their idea of completeness of the finish, but I do not consider that they contribute to a better world in the end. It's like the bad thing about Microsoft, in its time, multiplied by a thousand… .. the whole issue of patents and others…. buaaaaaggggg.
To be honest I was totally unaware of Mr. Dennis Ritchie, Jobs yes, and I consider that each one was a genius in their field.
The fact of remembering them after their death is the responsibility or whatever they want to call it of each one, in the case of job, they made a lot of noise, in the case of Dennis Ritchie not so much, there are some comments where only Dennis Ritchie is mentioned (for example a button http://alt1040.com/2011/10/muere-dennis-ritchie-creador-del-lenguaje-de-programacion-c ).
There are some others where only Steve Jobs is mentioned, but most of them focus on the "controversy" triggered by the posts where the 2 are mentioned, they have already died, let's leave them alone.
Regarding the post, I already mentioned it, each one had its relevance in its field, I could not say that one was better than another, each one simply had its place.
regards
I agree with that post or meme. I have reposted it on FB and G +
It is a real shame how the life of someone who, for the most part, plagiarized things or, in any case, made money based on the achievements of others was praised. And Ritchie was passed under the table. Anyway, it was a question of opinions. My "Maqueros" friends hate me when I speak ill of their god.
Honor to whom honor is due.
For not leaving, I recommend this semi-biographical film:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168122/
It is entertaining and tells a good story about how things were (more or less, of course)
The deaths of Jobs and Ritchie is comparable to the deaths of Princess Diana of Wales (August 31, 1997) and Mother Sister Teresa of Calcutta (September 5, 1997). Both died in less than a week, however the entire journalistic world covered the death of Lady Di in full, while the death of the nun was only to report.
For those who are pro-apple, Steve Jobs is credited with many things that even he did not invent. For example: The mouse, since it was created at Xerox. The tablet had already been conceived in the 60s and 70s and the first appeared in the 80s without being successful. What he did is that he knew how to insert it at the right time since today the lifestyle is different from that of the 80s.
Dennis Ritchie created not only C, but also Unix at AT&T Labs. MacOs is a BSD-based operating system and OS BSDs are Unix-based (Unix-Like). So MacOs is closely related to Unix.
The perverse image that Steve Jobs has has earned it because he charges for patents for ideas and I wonder, will Jobs have paid Dennis Ritchie for using his ideas and the tools created by the latter? I assure you not.
leave envy, how many of you would moderately wish to have the genius of these two geniuses
one is genius, the other is a simple overvalued businessman
I just thought that Dennis Ritchie was wrong, I swear I said the same thing about stallman.
Query, is it true that Ritchie stole the work of his students and seized it ???….
There is no proof of it… so it's a FALLACY.