Three systems, a market and a new concept.

It has been a long time since I told you about Firefox OS and he commented on their advantages and possible disadvantages in an emerging market such as Latin America. The thing is Firefox OS It is not the only system that tries to get ahead with these new ideas and with the concept of being free and based on HTML5 for its applications; there are two more systems that try to eat a piece of the cake, those are Tizen y Open Web OS.

The competition is never bad, the truth is that it is not, but sometimes I sit down to think that there are already too many projects wanting to bid for a single space within the market and at the same time fighting the market with the colossi Android y IOS.

First of all, I started looking for what these new systems offer me at the user level that neither Android nor IOS offer me, and it is not too difficult for me to see that as such, at the application or functionality level there are no major differences, simply because we are Relatively stagnant, technological innovation at the hardware level at the moment only grows in power but not in new concepts, that is, we have more and more beautiful, larger and sharper touch screens and before they were hardly usable, but we have been using these for a long time. screens and so it will stay for a while until some new interface displaces it (holographic screens maybe? Who knows).

For now, technological growth is focused on applicationsThose who always have something more or less new to offer and one always finds them more or less useful depending on the case, but the truth is that they are not something that one system offers and another does not because in the long run you get them everywhere; For example, what would stop me as a user is that initially I will not have WhatsApp in my system (either Tizen, Firefox OS or Open WebOS), but since we know that at least two of those three have high growth capacity, I speak of Tizen and Firefox OS. In the long run I don't worry, although Apple and Google They offer additional services such as the Appstore or Google Play, they are things that are not really relevant for users because they always look for applications more than services or movies; although of course, that does not always apply to everyone, but surely these new systems are going to have theirs.

Well, at the user level I am sure that I will be able to have a fairly simple and pleasant experience, with everything I will need in the beginning, but there is something else, I am not just a user, I am a developer, and that for my is a point that must be taken into account: What do these systems offer me at the development level that Android and IOS do not? and this is where the main reason to use any of these systems comes in.

First of all, they all propose something that neither Android nor IOS can propose full compatibility between them, yeah, compatibility, I can develop an app for Firefox OS and be sure that I can carry it without further problems to Tizen and Open Web OS Why? Well, because all three have opted to use the most important standard of this decade and the next: HTML5 and a pure one, without the need for frameworks or anything special, program whatever you want, make it work in a browser and with that you are sure that it will work in any of the three systems, period. Android and IOS They cannot offer that, at least not for now because one uses its own closed standard in addition to a strict and proprietary policy for creating applications (IOS) and the other uses an old, ugly, smelly and dying standard as the main development medium, uses Java as the main development medium and the other ways to develop for it (Phonegap, Python, etc) although they work, they are not as fast to implement as Java in Android.

All this shows that in the long run if there is a future for these new operating systems, perhaps only one will be the one that will survive or emerge, but the sure thing is that without a doubt, the one or those that survive will eat the market, little by little, but They will, and they will pressure the king systems of today to innovate and find a way to evolve, because if these three have something, it is that they are all much more flexible than those that are today as kings.

I leave you some preliminary videos of how these systems are moving, then I will test them myself and give you my impressions.


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  1.   saito said

    But let's go in parts, the Mozilla Foudation said that its OS the FirefoxOS will be dedicated to low and mid-range terminals because they know that competing with Android in high-end terminals and trying to sell it with a Samsung Galaxy or an HTC is not profitable for them , therefore it is better to sell it in cheaper and more accessible phones for the normal public «I mean the majority» hahahahaha

    Samsung already said that in 2013 its first phone with Tizen will come out so we will have to wait to see

    And well, on the subject of how these OS's are developed, I also support the fact that they use the technologies of the moment for applications and interfaces "HTML5, JavaScript, etc"

  2.   v3on said

    do not dedicate yourself to making predictions about technological trends please, I beg you on my knees

    1.    proper said

      It is not necessary that you kneel, better get up and explain why not. xDD

      1.    KZKG ^ Gaara said

        +1 hehe

    2.    Manual of the Source said

      Well, I agree with all your opinions. Just HTML5 rocks, Apple & Java suck.

    3.    dwarf said

      My question is why not? Do as Proper says, do not get on your knees, better get up and say why xD.

      Outside of that, they are not predictions, they are quite personal appreciations, nothing can be predicted at the moment, in fact, what I do is think and believe that these platforms, or at least Tizen and FirefoxOS have the ability to compete by offering facilities and news for developers and the same peace of mind of use for end users, who in the long run will not take long to adapt to these systems because whoever says whatever it is, they are all quite similar in terms of use.

  3.   Andrelo said

    Well, alternatives are still missing although HTML5 they say is the future, I don't think so, if FF eats resources as a browser as OS it will need twice as much, even if it is mobile, in addition to the one that best implements HTML5 tags, how little it tests is Chrome, I prefer the slowness of Java and Android before HTML5, maybe if something like MeeGo comes out

    1.    dwarf said

      Bro, try not to speak without knowing. It is one thing for the browser to consume resources (which it is downloading) and another thing is for a system based on the engine to consume resources. I don't know if you've seen or read about what platforms the system will run on (FirefoxOS), it is designed to run on modest platforms with 512 ram and 600ghz processor.

      Another thing, Java is not only slow and ugly, it is also insecure, very insecure, to the point that security companies recommend not to patch it but to remove it from the systems.

      The question with HTML5 is that it is much newer than Java or Apple's Objective-C, but without a doubt it has much more future, simply because there is too much focus on its development and even the big ones are already betting on it.

      Going back to not talking without knowing, and maintaining respect, "Something like MeeGo" ... Bro, Tizen is a descendant of MeeGo xD.

      The same, each one with his own.

      1.    Leper_Ivan said

        600Ghz ?!

        1.    dwarf said

          Sorry Mhz, typo.

      2.    Ares said

        I don't know if you've seen or read about which platforms the system will run on (FirefoxOS), it is designed to run on modest platforms with 512 ram and 600ghz processor.

        And Firefox (the browser) was designed to run decently on Pentium 2 and 64MB of RAM and we see how it turned out.
        Do not believe so blindly in companies, advertisements and promises say things but are not facts.

      3.    Andrelo said

        Tizen will be the descendant of MeeGo and what does it have to do with it? Note that with MeeGo you can do anything that on a Desktop Linux ... with Tizen only HTML5 you are saying it yourself.
        Not even an HTML programming language, HTML5 is for the pachorríos who are going to write the code only once and now ... on Android there are several apps made with HTML5, and it surprises me that knowing Python you lean towards HTML, most of them is letting go because the CLOUD is the future. And the concept of the Cloud is in Jolicloud OS, Chrome OS and they have not been successful ... if it is for ease of writing the Code ... go to use windows, that surely in Visual Studio they will provide support for the WP, not to be that you get tired writing code

        1.    dwarf said

          We return by not speaking without knowing.

          HTML5 is not HTML and already, HTML5 is a set of languages ​​where Javascript is found as the main language, HTML and CSS are directly for the interfaces so to speak. There are also APIs such as Webstorage, to replace cookies and many more things, etc.

          For ease of coding I use Python, I do not understand what your problem is with that and I do not understand that you have in your head speaking badly about HTML5, I imagine that you are one of those people with the habit of believing that you have to write tons of code for something to work or having to write the same program in several languages ​​to put it to work on different platforms, perfect, you live in the last century, mate, but I write less code not because of laziness, but because I do it more efficiently and because the language works for me. It allows; not like java.

          In fact, you say that HTML5 is for lazy people and I don't know what you mean by the fact that the cloud is the future or that they are excited about it because I don't know if you know that, if they run native HTML5 applications, they can work without having the app hosted on a server. What's more, in the long run I don't even know why you touch the subject if practically any App on Android or IOS works with the internet and servers, the happy cloud, from knowing how much data you consume to uploading a miserable score of a game to a blackboard and much more…

          You speak for speaking bro.

        2.    dwarf said

          Something that I lacked and seemed important to me:

          Tizen is based on MeeGo, who in turn is based on Moblin and Maemo. Maemo was in theory a Linux distro on your cell phone; of course it was a lot more than that, but to put it simply.

          Why didn't Maemo5 succeed? It was not only because Nokia did not want to continue developing it but because it was not a platform dedicated to the End user and obviously there were not enough applications or developers to give life to the platform no matter how much it was.

          Another thing is that many people do not want to have a desktop in hand because what can you not guess? It is not practical, for a reason there are desktops, laptops and mobiles; Using LibreOffice on a 5-inch touch screen will never be the same as using it with a keyboard, mouse, and 20 ″ monitor. That is why the concept was put aside, because although it was interesting, it was not practical or profitable in the long run since developing for it was not too easy.

          MeeGo was designed to work on netbooks and it also allowed the use of HTML5. Anyway, Tizen inherits the possibility of being used in Netbooks like MeeGo.

          What is the only thing I regret? That they did not continue using QT, but since Nokia abandoned MeeGo, everything went to the pipe. Anyway, I don't know what more points you need for this, anyway, you can continue using what you like, a project is not going to die for you, not for me. If they die or continue it will be because of the acceptance or rejection of the masses.

          1.    Andrelo said

            Decide, HTML is a Label language, JavaScript is a programming language and CSS is a style language, if you talk about HTML5 as the ecosystem of all these, it is something else, in any case you will program in JavaScript.
            By the way I do not speak badly of HTML5, I just say that it is not a programming language, which you do not even explain because java is crappy, I honestly think you do not like it and you base your opinion on personal tastes, not providing technical details, For you, HTML5 is the host, but you do not contribute anything about resources, and technical details. And of the 3 SOs, the one that has the best focus on the road is WebOS, FF and Tizen do not know where to shoot, FF still resents Google for Chrome, and Tizen, well, it is something that remains from MeeGo, even if it is with Samgsung , I don't think they'll give him a ball, they don't even give Bada a ball.
            Against the only thing they will compete will be against symbian, unfortunately no one can overshadow android and ios

          2.    dwarf said

            With the HTML5, I'm sorry but you spoke as if you knew a lot and I figured that you should have been clear about that because in fact a lot has been said.

            Now only compete with Symbian? I don't think so, the segment where they are going to fight in the beginning are going to be the low and medium ranges and that is directly Android and, depending on the countries, S40.

            The point is that there are always many people willing to criticize or not trust something and that simply doesn't make sense to me. Yes there are possibilities to compete, a perfect example is Android when it came out; It could not compete against IOS until a long time after the 2.x versions started to come out and some time later it was able to overcome IOS, but it was not in 5 months, it took years. These systems do not aim to displace kings or compete in high niches, they aim at other segments with different concepts for development; Maybe one day they will surpass those who rule today, maybe not, but to say that they have no chance is ridiculous.

  4.   ErunamoJAZZ said

    I really trust those 3 systems will eat up a good chunk of the market.
    Perhaps this week's comments from e Zuckerberg that they wasted time using HTML5 for mobile will make many think about whether the technology is really worth betting on. I think one thing is to create a web page on HTML5, and another is an application written with HTML5, and I think the guys at Mozilla already realized it: http://blog.mozilla.org/javascript/2012/09/12/ionmonkey-in-firefox-18/

    I think so, and I join the support of this "trend." That something is a trend will never be a confirmation of walking on the right path, but it is up to each one to support one or the other, or none.

    Technically, I think that the more this way of creating applications is supported (directly with JavaScript), the more sense it will make for most systems of the future to use it.

  5.   ianpock's said

    From what I see in the videos, and as a personal opinion, I see tizen who has matured a lot in a short time. No noise but pulling miles.

    I also think they have a long way to go and webos is a long way off ...

    On the other hand, to the question of whether it works against android and ios, well knowing that more than half of the mobiles sold with android are low or medium range because by that rule of three perhaps it could have an exit with tizen or firefox ... . but honestly and although it weighs on my heart, I don't believe it. And I hope I'm wrong but I say it for one thing ...

    1º Steal land when there are famous companies like Apple, Google and Microsoft I think it is a bit complicated. If you do not notice that Microsoft is not among the best sellers but it is assumed that with the new lumia with pure view technology things will change

    2º It is not the same to call you Google that not Firefox, the rock will think which one has more apps ???

    In addition, you can also think better about the bad known than the good to know.

    I don't want to cause that I don't want them to float, which they don't. It is more I would like to see a nokia with tizen that if I would buy it….

    But what I go to, people (who don't like technology) tend to buy already famous products and don't get it from there, that's why I don't think it's going to have many sales. Perhaps firefox when sold to the Brazilian market will have more sales if the price really plays with advantages.

    They are not predictions, they are thoughts and I repeat I hope it is the opposite of me I have never liked android, never!

    I don't see it soft. free if it were, it would stop updating all mobile phones and consume more than windows (who would have told me what would I say ????).

    In fact, I have a x6 with symbian and I am very happy but I also know how far I can go.

    I hope I'm wrong and that tizen revolutionizes the world of smartphones!

    Greetings and I hope I don't see the staff and the blog drilled a lot.

  6.   dwarf said

    One of the important issues to take into account gentlemen, and that I would like you to read, is that these systems have opportunities for various aspects that, although they do not ensure success, they give them a boost.

    First of all, and I'm going to specifically address Tizen and FirefoxOS. Both platforms have the same development model, that is, HTML5, therefore, both will offer directly to developers the possibility of creating something that works equally well on both platforms and, obviously, on browsers and desktops (depending on whatever you want). This is something that Android and IOS can do, yes, but not very efficiently because they do not have it as a native development base and are not optimized for this type of apps, which FirefoxOS and Tizen do.

    At the advertising level, we certainly cannot buy Mozilla with Google, but Tizen has Samsung, for example, and having the largest mobile phone manufacturer as your main developer is undoubtedly an advantage (an advantage that MeeGo had with Nokia, but they threw down). The name Mozilla should not be underestimated either, since it is not a weakling or bad company; comes with Telefonica and several other phone houses, not to mention the support of ZTE and various manufacturers. That gives both platforms a little plus.

    Now on the innovation side, I must admit that Tizen takes the palms and FirefoxOS, although it does not boast of tremendous technological advances, has the merit of being a system made to work as if it were high-end in low-mid-range phones Does Android do that? or better raised Does it do well?

    Tizen not only has HTML5 as its native platform, but also incorporates the libraries of the Enlightment project (the creators of E17), which also allows creating native applications and ultra-light and powerful interfaces with C, although it will not be the default development platform It will be supported and it will allow it to grow a lot.

    There are many things that must be taken into account but there is one thing for sure and that is that these two that I mentioned, have the potential to fight and perhaps succeed.

    1.    Ares said

      First of all, all of them propose something that neither Android nor IOS can propose full compatibility between them, yes, compatibility, I can develop an app for Firefox OS and be sure that I can port it to Tizen or Open WebOS without further problems. Why? Well, because all three have opted to use the most important standard of this decade and the next: HTML5 and a pure one, ... program whatever you want, make it work in a browser and with that you are sure that it will work in any of the three systems, point

      BE CAREFUL THIS IS NOT TRUE !!
      Whenever "standards" are mentioned and even more if something from Mozilla is rolled in the middle, people get distracted and lose attention to details.

      It is true that there is a good portion based on HTML5 standards and so on; But be careful because there are small letters !! NOT EVERYTHING WILL BE.

      IT IS NOT TRUE that if you do something for Firefox OS it will work on the others, because IT IS NOT TRUE that everything will be based on standards and HTML5 and other nice things.

      Firefox OS will have its own APIs and other NON-STANDARD things, this is something that even they say themselves, but of course they say it with the trap of "These are things that we will propose to the W3C for approval", but of course they are going to implement it NOW, the developers are going to use it NOW because it is a Santa Mozilla "standard" and then the others will be broken because they will not make use of those non-standard things or they will have to apply it trying to emulate it guessing, of course always behind at a disadvantage and we will have the same situation as we have in browsers! that geeks "program for Firefox" and the rest is incompatible "but it will be their fault because Firefox is San Standard and does things well."

      The worst thing is that in the final the W3C will again have to be fighting against a false standard that a partiality forced and is already in use; and again the competition will be being stepped on by the most famous one who puts his things in and makes all his geeks program him with it as a "standard" rule.

      Both platforms have the same development model, that is, HTML5, which is why both will offer developers the possibility of creating something that works equally well on both platforms.

      BEWARE THIS IS FALSE !!.
      As if the previous reason was not enough, there is more.

      That of what "I do it in one and it will work in the rest without problems because it works on standards" It is not true, reality and facts show that this is sovereignly false, we can see it on the web. Nowadays the webs are usually made on Firefox "because it is the standard" and of course this browser ends up "being" more compatible with the greater number of webs than the rest of the browser, but then when you use other browsers you see that many webs "Standard" fail here or there. If this is the day to day with the web, much more will be in these OS experiments.

      Special mention that the core here is HTML5, which in itself is not fully standardized to come to base systems, apps on it. Imagine what will happen if a specification changes, or if the implementation between the different options is not the same, both things very normal. That hell already happens with standardized things for a long time, imagine with HTML5 that it is in process.

      In short, to say that everything will be wonderful because what one person will do for everyone is a very nice fantasy to believe, but fantasy remains; making applications for them will be the same headache that making websites is today, only that you are relying entirely on undefined "standards" and "non-standards", that is, it will be worse than the panorama that already exists on the web.

  7.   Ares said

    The competition is never bad, the truth is that it is not, but sometimes I sit down to think that there are already too many projects wanting to bid for a single space in the market and at the same time fighting the market with the giants Android and IOS.

    I think the same and in fact normally I would think that the more the better, but over time I have realized that this way you will not get anywhere, only the efforts are divided because really the motive for doing things is selfishness, the objective is «yo I must be the one to break it, ”that's why no one collaborates and everyone pulls to their side.

    This case is more or less the same, «Firefox OS» comes out with the same concept that those other systems are already using, but instead of helping them and making them strengthen and perhaps succeed, it comes out with a new option that starts from not knowing the others because the first thing it does is to sell itself as a concept and revolutionary (doing this is essential to create hype about itself and manufacture the opportunity).

    1.    Ares said

      I wanted to say: «... part of ignoring the others because the first thing it does is sell itself as a * new * and revolutionary concept ...»

    2.    dwarf said

      As far as I have reviewed, the APIs that are going to be used, in addition to being free, will be based on Javascript.

      Another interesting thing is that what you say about browsers has become less and less real, and in fact, people develop for Chrome mainly, not for Firefox and most of the problems are almost always found in Opera.

      The idea is that the applications that run on these platforms are that they are web applications that can be ported without much problem from one side to the other and this, deny it whoever denies it, is much more feasible with HTML5 than with any native API as such.

      I do not like that you call what I say FALSE and LIE, I have also read, reviewed and searched, I am not trying to propagandize or impose anything. It is as if you were trying to tell me that I am an ignorant liar, when you have also said things that are not, such as developing for Firefox and that web development is a pain in the neck due to incompatibilities, it has its touches of truth, but every time it diminishes and the problems are specified in smaller and smaller things.

      1.    Ares said

        I do not like that you call what I say FALSE and LIE ... It is as if you were trying to tell me that I am an ignorant liar, when you have also said things that are not,

        You should not take things personally, something false can be said from naivety and in this case I explained more than enough how the facts show that everything I pointed out is false.

        In fact, your new answer is a sample of how naively you say something that is not, by applying bad logic.

        As far as I have reviewed, the APIs that are going to be used, in addition to being free, will be based on Javascript.

        You are mixing things up and because of that logic error you make two mistakes.
        It is not that they are (hypothetically) free, it is that they are standard, standard and free is not the same; something free / open / or whatever they want to call is not something automatically standard far from it.
        As well as not being "javascript" automatically that something will be standard and good for everyone. How much non-standard and incompatible javascript was there, is there and will there be? uff.

        Another interesting thing is that what you say about browsers has become less and less real, and in fact, people develop for Chrome mainly, not for Firefox and most of the problems are almost always found in Opera.

        I still see many professionals, most of them the truth, with the lifelong dogma of making sites in and for Firefox "because Firefox is the one that shows things well and is for developers"; There are those who then take the trouble to make the adjustments in Chrome because due to its large share it can no longer be ignored (I clarify that 'adjust the site for' is different from 'make the site in and for'), although yes , they do so reluctantly "because Chrome should do things like 'the Firefox standard'". But there are also those who don't even do it. And let's not even talk about browsers like Opera.

        However, it does not matter whether that happens for Firefox (what I still see and does not seem to change) or in Chrome (what I still do not see, let's not confuse "adjusted sites" and "made sites") or in Fulano, just say that particular name because that is the current case and because that character also acts in this other movie and it is very easy to think that he will get all the attention again.

        I reiterate that the important thing is not the characters, better forget about them if their names lead you to bias; the important thing about what I say is practice, the real problem here is:
        1) that even though the standards exist, the implementations are not complete or perfect; factors that must be multiplied by each alternative (browser / os),
        2) that sites are made for a browser and then you have to give birth (less or more) making adjustments for the rest and many do not even bother and this has created the current reality in which "the developer's browser" is de facto standard "shows sites well" and the rest don't.

        Both things said above are a reality, you may not like it but it is. If it were as easy as saying "I do something with HTML and it will work for everyone" the current scenario would not be what we have and will have for a long time.

        It may displease you to feel like a "liar", but what I say is supported by reality, you even had to confess that it is certainly the case, I am not lying or wrong.
        On the other hand, your only counter-argument is your positive expectations that everything will improve because according to your crystal "it decreases every time", or using the label of "less real" as if "less real" things existed, or did they not exist ?; things are either real or they are not.
        When these things do not happen, that is to say when they are "nothing" real, then your statements at the beginning could be true, meanwhile not and what you are selling would be false and it is correct to say that they ARE NOT TRUE and that you have to be careful of being dazzled and not seeing the details because they will lead us to the usual mistakes, to the murder of some options in favor of the most famous and to the use and consolidation of non-standard things.

    3.    dwarf said

      I think the same and in fact normally I would think that the more the better, but over time I have realized that this way you don't get anywhere, only the efforts are divided because really the motive for doing things is selfishness, the goal is " I must be the one to break it ”, that's why nobody collaborates and everyone pulls to their side.

      This case is more or less the same, "Firefox OS" comes out with the same concept that those other systems are already using, but instead of helping them and making them strengthen and perhaps succeed, it comes out with a new option that starts from not knowing the others because the first thing it does is sell itself as a concept and revolutionary (doing this is essential to create hype about itself and manufacture the opportunity).

      Competition is always good, come on, let's all focus on IOS, let's give Apple or Google a monopoly with Android, let's continue, so that competition when we can have everything centralized.

      That doesn't make sense to me bro.

      1.    Ares said

        Competition is always good, come on, let's all focus on IOS, let's give Apple or Google a monopoly with Android, let's continue, so that competition when we can have everything centralized.

        That doesn't make sense to me bro.

        You seem to be talking back and forth.

        I answered that by citing a part where you yourself allude to the many options wanting to highlight that they are already too much.
        I only shared that opinion (before you changed it) and even explained my why.

        And I want to clarify that I never said or did something similar to an apology to "there should be no options" "you have to give the monopoly to Apple or Google", as you seem to want to imply now, which you are getting I don't know why; On the contrary, I say that the options that they want and could open up the field are first attacked and compete with each other, because every time one arises that wants to be "me who breaks it" and instead of helping the rest they start supporting them, dividing and applying practices that will end up overwhelming the others. The problem is not that there are options, the problem is that THERE ARE ALREADY but none of them raises its head because instead of strengthening them, someone else comes out wanting to do the same but saying YO YO YOYOYO.

        I could also respond in a cool way by saying «Come on, give all the monopoly to Apple and Google, let's never strengthen Meego / Webos / Tizen /…, instead let's put more options like Fireox OS or whatever comes that intends to do the same as the others, that will work for that all the alternatives sink, none arise and thus the current kings are consolidated ».

        That by the way in the hands of something from Mozilla is not that we are very free from the hands of Google.

  8.   Oberost said

    @ELDER BROTHER
    «» »The other uses as main development medium an old, ugly, smelly and dying standard, uses Java
    Java is not only slow and ugly, it is also insecure, very insecure, to the point that security companies recommend not to patch it but to remove it from systems. »» »

    Of course, of course one of the two most used languages ​​(along with C) is worth nothing, what happens that millions of people who make a living with it every day are idiots, thank goodness that you are here to enlighten us of our error .

    and you ? Who the hell have you tied for?

    1.    dwarf said

      I do not like it, many do not like it, Java is old and you, who have been working with it for years, must perfectly know its disadvantages and the treatment that is being given lately to the security of the language.

      It's slow, it has improved over the years but it's not a big deal and it's ugly, because it is, people talk about it being simple syntax, but its syntax is just awful; Many experts have agreed that Java should no longer be taught as the main language because they are prolonging the use of a language that is no longer measuring up and that if it does it is because it still has a large pool of developers, mature developers (in the sense of that have been working for years), but new developers choose other languages, look for other solutions and we do not like languages ​​of that type. Nor do I mean to generalize because I have friends who like Java.

      Now, if it bothers you that for me Java is a total crap, really bad. I watched Java last semester and hated it. Not so it was with C or C ++, which did cost me, but they taught me a lot. What did Java do? Pass by because I learned OOP with Python and Ruby, a thousand times more interactive and usable, although less fast because they are not compiled (although Python can be compiled depending on the Binding used).

      I do not want to enlighten you of your error, there you if you want to continue programming with it and not adapt, but I am already quite cured of seeing my friends and graduates who constantly ask them for things like migrating services from PHP to Django or Rails, rewrite Java programs to C ++ and Python. What's more, although people who work with Java are still being sought, Java remains standing thanks mostly to Android.

      I'm sorry if what I say bothers you, but there are quite a few arguments against Java, take it as you like, I won't discuss this further.

      1.    jupa1986 said

        Well, we are also the people who like java, for code maintenance it seems better to me, the same for the web, and it is not that there are people who do not want to adapt since java has a lot of frameworks that I think you have not seen if You have only used it in college to learn OOP and with respect to HTML5, even Facebook had to give up on HTML5 and had to make native applications for ios and android, I understand that there will be improvements to make them better but that shows that HTML5 is very green to go to market. I developed web applications 3 years ago and I use firefox as a reference, and then I see how to fix it for other browsers and that java remains standing for android I tell you that in my country java for the web is growing, that something happens in your city or your country does not mean that it happens in the rest of the world.

    2.    elav said

      Oberost, whenever I see a comment like: "The most used", "the most used" ... I always think of Windows, which is not the best because it is the most used OS ... Or is it?

      😀

  9.   pandev92 said

    Java is not saying that it is a bad language for the programmer but yes, it is something unbearable for ordinary users, it is not the best language to program desktop applications, I prefer C ++ / QT or GTK before, or use C # which is very simple and windows forms, but nowadays Java is comparable to Flash, not because it is one of the most used, it is good.

  10.   kondur05 said

    nanao like you have a fan (reader) hehehe-

    The truth ios does not attract my attention, also you only have one device and if you do not like the design then sad for you.
    As for android, I have tried it and lka there are things that make me want to, because everything has to do with gmail and trying to interact with another mail that is not gmail sometimes is torture, another thing is that many apps can have But the truth is, which ones are used and how many are just bad things done?
    conclusion I do not like android because sometimes it seems aqlgo half done.

    Currently I returned to blackberry, if os 7 is not as manageable as android, but at least I send the emails without problems and for what I need I do not have many problems, I will wait for the others to see what happens (meego I like it but the n9 is too expensive and I don't know if you can put certain apps on it)

  11.   kondur05 said

    sorry, it was Andrelo, not a reader, what I was going to write

  12.   truko22 said

    I am struck by the focus of firefox on low-end phones, very wise I think but as everything goes as the market moves.

  13.   dwarf said

    I wish java would have helped me, but it just annoyed me. I am one of those who supports the fall of Java.

    Regarding Facebook, I'm sorry but when you need a high-performance app, you don't use html5, you use the native API to better work with resources, although that closes your chances of covering more market. "Very green" is a cheap excuse.

    Also take into account that these new systems will have HTML5 as native and that implies that the apps will be faster due to the type of implementation.

    Now Java for the web? by god better to use chisel and hammer or PHP, less having Python and Ruby.

    I remain firm, Java is maintained by Android and by the nonsense of "it serves and I use it, I do not need more".

    Anyway everyone makes and undoes

    1.    elav said

      Java is not only maintained by Android, but by 99% of mobiles, whatever the OS they use.

  14.   xarlieb said

    I don't know anything about java, but I do know that HTML5 is going very strong. even so, the common user does not give a damn how his phone works. he just wants it to work. And unfortunately the names of Android and iOS have taken on a lot of weight (deserved or not) so I wish the new systems good luck.

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